I routinely browse some of the more popular LOTRO forums. VN Boards, here, and the official boards. During open beta, and the first couple weeks of retails, those forums were really on fire with heated debates, "Best game ever" threads, and just general back and forth discussions.
I don't see much happening anymore. Theres an occasional strongly worded post, with several pages of replies, but I see far more simple lazy questions with equally lazy answers. Speaking for myself, I haven't seen a lot of posts worth replying to.
I have observed in the prior week, a sudden increase in what I like to call the "I like it, but" posts, that IMHO signified the calm before the storm. The newness wore off for some folks, and they were finally able to see some of the problems with the game. They still felt they had to be part of the community by prefacing their complaint with praise, but their dissent was beginning to show.
And now we have that calm. That lull when those people who once sang the praises of the game for 2 weeks are now realizing that maybe they shouldn't have trumpeted so loudly. They aren't posting now because they are in a state of disbelief. They are torn between wanting to like the game as much as they said they did, and their actual feelings of frustration. Confusion and doubt is settling in.
The storm will come soon. The fall from grace is happening. I'll get my popcorn ready.
Please note: The above is most certainly my opinion, and is based on nothing more than my own personal observations, heavily laden with speculation and conjecture.
Stanely I still play, I just stopped posting as much on the LoTRO hater threads because (A) I'd rather spend the time playing LoTRO. (B) LoTRO is what it is, It doesn't need me to defend it. (C) The trolls such as yourself seem to actually just live for anything negative about the game reall or made up.
As its already been pointed out Stanely your not objective you are very baised. Any negative thing about LoTRO posted anywhere you jump on as fact, and make it your lifes work to repost and bring attention too. Really is how well or not well LoTRO so important to you that yoiu can grab some popcorn and wait at the screen for the next random factless negative LoTRO post to be posted.
I'm not saying LoTRO has a million subscribers, I haven't seen many if anyone say it has (except in joking) but on the other hand its not a dead game (in fact the biggest problem i have with it right now is its too crowded at prime time and one can wind up waiting for quests to respawn) What was it you posted when the game was released that it would be dead in a month? AH well too bad Stane, but please remove the "equal oppertunity troll" from your tagline as you don't troll anything but LoTRO and looking over your post you obviously have some personal vendetta against Turbine (much like some players have against SOE) which has made it your goal to discredit/or otherwise try and Harm LoTRO.
In the end give it up. I'm not gonna try and defend LoTRO because it just won't matter, and at the end of the day dispite all your hate and all you try and do to make LoTRO look bad players that are gonna play are gonna play it anyway. In short all the effort you put into trolling has little to no effect. So get your popcorn what will happen will happen, but maybe you should try actually taking a break from trolling LoTRO and catch a movie or something
Stanly for all we know you could be that other person and you could have made those numbers up. Damn straight about the proof if you are going to come over and make a post like this provide some validity for the numbers you are spouting other than "Some one posted this on another forum". Other wise expect to get ridiculed for quoting bullshit as fact.
I find it amusing that you repeatedly troll these forums yet you want us to think you are objective. That person could have made up those numbers, I don't have any proof he did just as you don't have any proof he did not. Stanly your credibility is shit in my opinion unless you can provide a verifiable link from a neutral source such as one of the recognized consumer sites.
Let's see some proof Stan if you have any. Other wise you might as well post that LoTRO only sold 1 copy or 100, 000, 000 copies, the numbers do no matter if they are just something some one pulled out of their hat. That is my point Stan and my only point. Back up your figures since you are so positive they are accurate.
You simply want to believe LoTRO is failing and will grasp at any straw and quote it as truth Stan. You just seem to get more desperate and your arguments weaker each day.
Me desperate? Your desperation is obvious to everyone but you. Its like a drug addict who, upon confrontation, will say that you do drugs too.
I'm not the person who posted those numbers. You don't have to believe me, but that is the truth.
You assume the person posting those numbers is a doing so with the intent to misrepresent the population of the game. Prove it. If you don't believe his numbers, do the search yourself and refute his claim. Otherwise, sit down. All you are doing at this point is lashing out in anger.
I don't need to provide any proof. I made no claims, only reference to another's claims. The burden of "proof" is on you, if you do not believe them. Just as much as you want to say those numbers are false, your word alone doesn't make it so.
I don't believe LOTRO is failing. My stand has always been that the game is highly overrated, that some of the claims that fans have made are completely false, and that many of the reviews and posts about the game are paid advertisements.
Jack, stop trying to turn this into a mud slinging, personal vendetta, because its a conflict you can't win. The more mud you sling at me, the more you just show that you are nothing but a mudslinger.
But you did post the numbers, or should I say you posted the link to them so it is basically the same.
As for you not saying the games failing perhaps you should recheck some of your earlier posts their have been several where you have made referance to the game going belly up after a month or so (yes yes that was what about a month ago )
I routinely browse some of the more popular LOTRO forums. VN Boards, here, and the official boards. During open beta, and the first couple weeks of retails, those forums were really on fire with heated debates, "Best game ever" threads, and just general back and forth discussions.
I don't see much happening anymore. Theres an occasional strongly worded post, with several pages of replies, but I see far more simple lazy questions with equally lazy answers. Speaking for myself, I haven't seen a lot of posts worth replying to.
I have observed in the prior week, a sudden increase in what I like to call the "I like it, but" posts, that IMHO signified the calm before the storm. The newness wore off for some folks, and they were finally able to see some of the problems with the game. They still felt they had to be part of the community by prefacing their complaint with praise, but their dissent was beginning to show.
And now we have that calm. That lull when those people who once sang the praises of the game for 2 weeks are now realizing that maybe they shouldn't have trumpeted so loudly. They aren't posting now because they are in a state of disbelief. They are torn between wanting to like the game as much as they said they did, and their actual feelings of frustration. Confusion and doubt is settling in.
The storm will come soon. The fall from grace is happening. I'll get my popcorn ready.
Please note: The above is most certainly my opinion, and is based on nothing more than my own personal observations, heavily laden with speculation and conjecture.
Yeah this game is dead.
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
I don't need to provide any proof. I made no claims, only reference to another's claims. The burden of "proof" is on you, if you do not believe them. Just as much as you want to say those numbers are false, your word alone doesn't make it so.
I don't believe LOTRO is failing. My stand has always been that the game is highly overrated, that some of the claims that fans have made are completely false, and that many of the reviews and posts about the game are paid advertisements.
Warning: Feeding the trolls. Bad me, I know.
Hmm, I would like you to provide proof that the reviews about the game are paid advertisements? Unless you have insider source to a good number of review sites and magazines, I find this to be completely troll-lish and baseless.
To respond to the OP, I haven't been posting/reading much because I have been very busy playing the game in my limited play time. Still only level 25
Besides, people talk about things most passionately when it's new. What needs to be said has already been said. All the fans have bought the game. Now is the time for fence sitters to decide if they want to buy the game, that's why there's a lot of "should I buy this" threads all over.
It's funny, what I've noticed is a drop off in thinly (or not so thinly) veiled "this game is teh suk" flamebait. Figured it had to do with the fact that the game is wildly popular and getting rave reviews in the mainstream gaming press. Kinda robs you of some of your ammo.
I always like to point out that AC2 got rave reviews in the mainstream gaming press as well.
As far as wildly popular, someone on the VN boards did some pretty good work in looking at the population numbers, and came up with a bit over 17.6k concurrent players on at prime time, across the NA servers. Not sure that qualifies as wildly popular, although its definitely not an insignificant amount.
I wouldn't call AC2's reviews "rave" but it was the first of the second generation games and the graphics were unlike anything out at the time. I remember upgrading my graphic card and RAM. Everyone was pretty ecited about it.
From launch AC2 was aways critized for its technical issues. It never broke more then 55,000 subs. One of its problems was Turbine made a game to compete with itself, and the players of the original AC rejected AC2 because it was to different from the original. The same thing happened to EQII to a point. Since then MMO makers appear to have learned not to make their own competition. Sequels have a very bad track record in MMO's. Even Lineage 2 doesn't do as well as Lineage 1 worldwide.
The reviewers I nornally gage a game on (there are tons more reviews but these are the reviewers I normally always read) gave AC2
As far as LotR's goes, it seems to be doing better then any game ever released by Turbine but they have been pretty hush hush about things so far. I'm curious about how its doing subscription wise at this point. We already knew Vanguard was a fricking burning wreck of a game at this point.
Originally posted by winter Stanely I still play, I just stopped posting as much on the LoTRO hater threads because (A) I'd rather spend the time playing LoTRO. (B) LoTRO is what it is, It doesn't need me to defend it. (C) The trolls such as yourself seem to actually just live for anything negative about the game reall or made up. What is funny here, is that I never claimed those numbers to be poor, nor present them in a negative way. I merely said it doesn't qualify as "wildly popular". But please, feel free to interject whatever you want into my posts, and spin what I say to suite you. Everyone else does... As its already been pointed out Stanely your not objective you are very baised. Any negative thing about LoTRO posted anywhere you jump on as fact, and make it your lifes work to repost and bring attention too. Really is how well or not well LoTRO so important to you that yoiu can grab some popcorn and wait at the screen for the next random factless negative LoTRO post to be posted. When I present my opinion, and clearly label it as such, I can be biased. Very biased? That would be your opinion . When I post a link to someone's numbers, that is not biased at all. That is merely a reference. I'm not saying LoTRO has a million subscribers, I haven't seen many if anyone say it has (except in joking) but on the other hand its not a dead game (in fact the biggest problem i have with it right now is its too crowded at prime time and one can wind up waiting for quests to respawn) What was it you posted when the game was released that it would be dead in a month? AH well too bad Stane, but please remove the "equal oppertunity troll" from your tagline as you don't troll anything but LoTRO and looking over your post you obviously have some personal vendetta against Turbine (much like some players have against SOE) which has made it your goal to discredit/or otherwise try and Harm LoTRO. While you personally may not have said LOTRO has a million subscribers, it certainly has been said by others on these boards. Now, get ready for some "very biased" comments. While you say that you feel the game is too crowded, this is not necessarily an indication that the game has a lot of players. This could very well just mean that the game world is small, and players are concentrated in specific areas due to poor game flow design. I never said the game would be dead in a month. I said that opinions will change in a month or two. But again, feel free to misquote me for your purposes, everyone else does...
If you are insinuating that I am in some way trying to libel LOTRO/Turbine, then you are sadly mistaken. I am simply discussing the game and its company from a perspective you may not agree with. Such is life. In the end give it up. I'm not gonna try and defend LoTRO because it just won't matter, and at the end of the day dispite all your hate and all you try and do to make LoTRO look bad players that are gonna play are gonna play it anyway. In short all the effort you put into trolling has little to no effect. So get your popcorn what will happen will happen, but maybe you should try actually taking a break from trolling LoTRO and catch a movie or something
Noted, but I'll do as I please, thank you. Of course my postings don't matter in any real sense. People aren't going to live or die because of what I say. But this is a message board about LOTRO, where people can discuss the game, post their views on it, and... shock of shocks... debate their views. If you want to debate, then do so. If you want to try and prove the futility of posting on a message board, by posting on a message board, then uh... well... you get the idea.
Hmm, I would like you to provide proof that the reviews about the game are paid advertisements? Unless you have insider source to a good number of review sites and magazines, I find this to be completely troll-lish and baseless.
While I can't offer direct proof, let me just say this... The last time that I named names and provided specific information on this issue, my posts were deleted and I was banned. Draw your own conclusions.
so basically after 6 fucking pages of your bullshit rantings all you're trying to say is that it won't feel as new and some people over hyped the game. Probably somewhere on the grand ol internet you read information that may be misleading wrote by some dipshit on a blog or a forum (both are highly regarded for their truthful content)
Congratulations, basically every fucking product on earth experiences the same phenomenon.
Your discovery is nothing ingenious or new,and experienced in every market. I'm sure the new spiderman film still isn't raking in the same amount of asses to watch it this weekend, is that to say spiderman 3 is a total shitfest?
Hmm, I would like you to provide proof that the reviews about the game are paid advertisements? Unless you have insider source to a good number of review sites and magazines, I find this to be completely troll-lish and baseless.
While I can't offer direct proof, let me just say this... The last time that I named names and provided specific information on this issue, my posts were deleted and I was banned. Draw your own conclusions. Troll maybe ?
You are taking population statistics from the EQ2 vault moderator? No conflicting interests there, things are working as intended in Sony land it seems.
He states in his post that servers with login ques had lower populations by his "super census abilities" and he can't figure out why. Gee goober, maybe what you are doing is flawed to the maximum? Anyone can make up numbers, here I will show you how it is done.
All servers have 14,000 people on them when I last checked, thus making the games user base eleventy kabillion. Of course there are unknown factors that could sway this number up or down a few kabillion. I will post these unconfirmable numbers every saturday, because I am super sweet. Servers with ques will be less populated than those without, because my counting methods are so accurate.
There you have it. I posted it on the interweb so it is just as true as your EQ2 vault mod. Don't bother posting that I am wrong unless you have gone and done your own surveys with the wealth of population tools in the game.
You are taking population statistics from the EQ2 vault moderator? No conflicting interests there, things are working as intended in Sony land it seems.
He states in his post that servers with login ques had lower populations by his "super census abilities" and he can't figure out why. Gee goober, maybe what you are doing is flawed to the maximum? Anyone can make up numbers, here I will show you how it is done.
All servers have 14,000 people on them when I last checked, thus making the games user base eleventy kabillion. Of course there are unknown factors that could sway this number up or down a few kabillion. I will post these unconfirmable numbers every saturday, because I am super sweet. Servers with ques will be less populated than those without, because my counting methods are so accurate.
There you have it. I posted it on the interweb so it is just as true as your EQ2 vault mod. Don't bother posting that I am wrong unless you have gone and done your own surveys with the wealth of population tools in the game.
Fnord!
You want to see something that will blow the top of your skull off? Take a look at what X-Fire users play the most. Remember, x-fire has a lot of users, its no small time opporation. It safe to assume that it is fairly accurate -- note I didn't say totally or completely)
All these people posting numbers, don't forget Europe. Games like Everquest 2 aren't even sold in the shops out here, Vanguard never entered any top 10, but here in the Netherlands (and the same for germany from what i've seen) Lord of The Rings Online has been at number 1 position every single week since its release (source: spits media). The only other MMO's i've even seen in the Dutch top 10 are World of Warcraft and the guild wars games.
So however bad the flamers want this game to do, it is obviously the biggest success since World of Warcraft. I don't see LoTRO sell more then WoW in total, but i do see Turbine getting rich from this succesful title and thats good for the players (who will see content upgrades) and good for non-LOTRO-playing MMO fans too because the market simply needs more than 1 success to be able to succeed.
This thread has gone off topic since page 2. The OP suggested - based on his observations - that this game is at the "calm" stage because he noticed an increase in "I like it, but posts" and that he sees a decline of the hype for this game in the near future. Then somebody in a later post replied saying maybe people are spending more time online than on forums. After page 1, it turns into a battle of people lashing out at other people, basically over nothing.
What's the point of continuing? Honestly, if this thread is off-topic, it should've been closed and locked up a long time ago.
most people post so less because they are spending their time ingame...
but still I got friends who left lotro again for world or warcraft and I have not seen them log into lotro for weeks now...
and I'm at level 28 in lotro and begin to get bored slowly, I feel the boring feeling risin in me when I play lotro, because most people at my level wear the same looking armor, robes and clothes and somehow everyone seems to look the same ingame...
the character creation in lotro is unfortunatly a little weak, which makes (almost) everyone look the same...
and each time I do group quests, it feels like the same toolbar button spamming as before and in time it really gets boring beause you do the same over and over again, it feels like a routine and is not challenging and exciting anymore (I play lore-master by the way which is at least a little more challenging then other classes)
I think we really need something new in the mmorpg genre, there must be more than "wachting button spamming and falling asleep while questing with the group"
I heard age of conan will bring something new, looking forward for it and until then I will defently use lotro as a time-cut
I'm too busy playing to write big long posts on why I like it. As are most of the people that do like it . Even the most active boards are populated by what, maybe 5% of the people actually playing the game? Think about how insane even the WoW boards would be if even 1/2 the players were "active" on these or any other boards.
A lot of the posting here has dropped off because people are playing the game. I know that once I'm immersed in an MMO, forums get barely a glance and I definitely am not going to spend time debating trolls rather than playing.
As to Stanly, you can go back through his post history and see he's just a sink of negativity. We all know people who we dred to see, because they sap the energy right out of you and clear a room just with there very presence. Sometimes they wonder why people just don't like them, because it couldn't be anything they've said...
Why waste so much personal energy beating on something other people like? You don't like it? Fine, don't play it. If your post history is nothing but petty negativity, you are an attention starved troll, plain and simple. Is Stanly a troll? I'll let people judge that for themselves, I've already wasted too much time on it writing this post.
While LOTRO is a Good game it isn't a Great one "Yet" it has the potential but is missing alot of small things . I will list a few that consern me
To small Bank space
No shared Bank
No Kinship Bank
No Macros
No UI Mods "skining isnt a Mod"
Lacking solo quest lvl 35+ "Hopefully June addon will help"
Not enough Character slots " Its criminal not to have enough to play 1 of each class"
Trade skill items not being bound on equip " while this is great for me to hand down items to my alts its a crazy idea for the economy
No Map notes
worst UI in any of the Major MMO's " lesson on how to make even the simplest thing as difficult as possible UI"
Not enough variety in quests " to many Kill X number of Mobs" where are the fun quest like WOW drop Bombs on the enemy while flying on a bird
No serverwide LFF channel
Linked Auction house?
Massive repair bills for certian classes compared to others " Bree Townhall half Price repairer helps
Travel prices are all over the place .. + need more quick travel points
No where to keep your own notes like a Journal
Mail system need an overhaul " an address book ?
No Bags as a tailor this bites
Tradeskills 90% of everything you make is just to raise your level since nothing is bind the market is flooded even though its only a month into release
2 Hand weapons need looking into " these dps isnt any better than 1 handers of same level , I rarely see anyone weilding 2 handers
A lot of the posting here has dropped off because people are playing the game. I know that once I'm immersed in an MMO, forums get barely a glance and I definitely am not going to spend time debating trolls rather than playing.
As to Stanly, you can go back through his post history and see he's just a sink of negativity. We all know people who we dred to see, because they sap the energy right out of you and clear a room just with there very presence. Sometimes they wonder why people just don't like them, because it couldn't be anything they've said...
Why waste so much personal energy beating on something other people like? You don't like it? Fine, don't play it. If your post history is nothing but petty negativity, you are an attention starved troll, plain and simple. Is Stanly a troll? I'll let people judge that for themselves, I've already wasted too much time on it writing this post.
QFT
You, sir, are a brilliant observer and a knower of the human psyche (psychiatrist maybe?:)
The OP is a person who receives no attention in real life (for whatever reason), so desperately seeks _any_ form of attention/communication, and internet forums are the best place to get this. Any form of feedback (arguing) is a form of attention, (however poor/distorted it is), so with every reply, you are in fact "feeding" the troll.
Best is to put the ignore hat on!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
so basically after 6 fucking pages of your bullshit rantings all you're trying to say is that it won't feel as new and some people over hyped the game. Probably somewhere on the grand ol internet you read information that may be misleading wrote by some dipshit on a blog or a forum (both are highly regarded for their truthful content)
Congratulations, basically every fucking product on earth experiences the same phenomenon.
Your discovery is nothing ingenious or new,and experienced in every market. I'm sure the new spiderman film still isn't raking in the same amount of asses to watch it this weekend, is that to say spiderman 3 is a total shitfest?
Basically, yeah. Kinda makes ya laugh when you see so many people getting worked up over it huh?
Whats even more funny is that some one would devote so much time and effort to trying to bring down a game that has been rated so high by the community and the industry. One heck of a hobby you have Stan.
so basically after 6 fucking pages of your bullshit rantings all you're trying to say is that it won't feel as new and some people over hyped the game. Probably somewhere on the grand ol internet you read information that may be misleading wrote by some dipshit on a blog or a forum (both are highly regarded for their truthful content)
Congratulations, basically every fucking product on earth experiences the same phenomenon.
Your discovery is nothing ingenious or new,and experienced in every market. I'm sure the new spiderman film still isn't raking in the same amount of asses to watch it this weekend, is that to say spiderman 3 is a total shitfest?
Basically, yeah. Kinda makes ya laugh when you see so many people getting worked up over it huh?
Whats even more funny is that some one would devote so much time and effort to trying to bring down a game that has been rated so high by the community and the industry. One heck of a hobby you have Stan.
It's not a hobby, sad thing is that he MUST do it - it's an obsessive-compulsive symptom.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Way back in AC2 beta, Stanly got banned from the beta, and ever since then he has had a deep hatred for everything Turbine. He trolls every Turbine game board he can find. LOTRO could have 10 millions subs right now and he would still be trollling the forums and proclaiming that the game is doomed. His life won't be complete again until Turbine fails as a company.
The vnboard posters are well aware of Stanly's history with Turbine and just ignore him. Apparantly he has moved over to this board now, because noone bites on his anti-Turbine posts on the vnboards anymore.
You want to see something that will blow the top of your skull off? Take a look at what X-Fire users play the most. Remember, x-fire has a lot of users, its no small time opporation. It safe to assume that it is fairly accurate -- note I didn't say totally or completely) http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/ (take a look at the top 10 MMO's) This runs every month so its only up to April right now. It will be interesting to see where LotRs ends up next month.
I don't put to much stock into Xfire. It is more likely to be results akin to "Dewey wins by a landslide" than anything else. It is intersting though.
Way back in AC2 beta, Stanly got banned from the beta, and ever since then he has had a deep hatred for everything Turbine. He trolls every Turbine game board he can find. LOTRO could have 10 millions subs right now and he would still be trollling the forums and proclaiming that the game is doomed. His life won't be complete again until Turbine fails as a company.
The vnboard posters are well aware of Stanly's history with Turbine and just ignore him. Apparantly he has moved over to this board now, because noone bites on his anti-Turbine posts on the vnboards anymore.
What a sad life......
Incase you missed it, here at Mmorpg.com forums. We just love to feed the trolls.
So I guess Stan has found a home for the Turbine/Lotro hate.
Way back in AC2 beta, Stanly got banned from the beta, and ever since then he has had a deep hatred for everything Turbine. He trolls every Turbine game board he can find. LOTRO could have 10 millions subs right now and he would still be trollling the forums and proclaiming that the game is doomed. His life won't be complete again until Turbine fails as a company.
The vnboard posters are well aware of Stanly's history with Turbine and just ignore him. Apparantly he has moved over to this board now, because noone bites on his anti-Turbine posts on the vnboards anymore.
What a sad life......
Incase you missed it, here at Mmorpg.com forums. We just love to feed the trolls.
So I guess Stan has found a home for the Turbine/Lotro hate.
Yay for us!
Yep, the vnboard mods just end up locking his threads or moderating his posts. The moderation here (if there even is any moderation) is much more lax, so Stan can troll to his hearts content.
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Stanely I still play, I just stopped posting as much on the LoTRO hater threads because (A) I'd rather spend the time playing LoTRO. (B) LoTRO is what it is, It doesn't need me to defend it. (C) The trolls such as yourself seem to actually just live for anything negative about the game reall or made up.
As its already been pointed out Stanely your not objective you are very baised. Any negative thing about LoTRO posted anywhere you jump on as fact, and make it your lifes work to repost and bring attention too. Really is how well or not well LoTRO so important to you that yoiu can grab some popcorn and wait at the screen for the next random factless negative LoTRO post to be posted.
I'm not saying LoTRO has a million subscribers, I haven't seen many if anyone say it has (except in joking) but on the other hand its not a dead game (in fact the biggest problem i have with it right now is its too crowded at prime time and one can wind up waiting for quests to respawn) What was it you posted when the game was released that it would be dead in a month? AH well too bad Stane, but please remove the "equal oppertunity troll" from your tagline as you don't troll anything but LoTRO and looking over your post you obviously have some personal vendetta against Turbine (much like some players have against SOE) which has made it your goal to discredit/or otherwise try and Harm LoTRO.
In the end give it up. I'm not gonna try and defend LoTRO because it just won't matter, and at the end of the day dispite all your hate and all you try and do to make LoTRO look bad players that are gonna play are gonna play it anyway. In short all the effort you put into trolling has little to no effect. So get your popcorn what will happen will happen, but maybe you should try actually taking a break from trolling LoTRO and catch a movie or something
I'm not the person who posted those numbers. You don't have to believe me, but that is the truth.
You assume the person posting those numbers is a doing so with the intent to misrepresent the population of the game. Prove it. If you don't believe his numbers, do the search yourself and refute his claim. Otherwise, sit down. All you are doing at this point is lashing out in anger.
I don't need to provide any proof. I made no claims, only reference to another's claims. The burden of "proof" is on you, if you do not believe them. Just as much as you want to say those numbers are false, your word alone doesn't make it so.
I don't believe LOTRO is failing. My stand has always been that the game is highly overrated, that some of the claims that fans have made are completely false, and that many of the reviews and posts about the game are paid advertisements.
Jack, stop trying to turn this into a mud slinging, personal vendetta, because its a conflict you can't win. The more mud you sling at me, the more you just show that you are nothing but a mudslinger.
But you did post the numbers, or should I say you posted the link to them so it is basically the same.
As for you not saying the games failing perhaps you should recheck some of your earlier posts their have been several where you have made referance to the game going belly up after a month or so (yes yes that was what about a month ago )
Cheers and enjoy your popcorn
In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect.
Hmm, I would like you to provide proof that the reviews about the game are paid advertisements?
To respond to the OP, I haven't been posting/reading much because I have been very busy playing the game in my limited play time. Still only level 25
Besides, people talk about things most passionately when it's new. What needs to be said has already been said. All the fans have bought the game. Now is the time for fence sitters to decide if they want to buy the game, that's why there's a lot of "should I buy this" threads all over.
As far as wildly popular, someone on the VN boards did some pretty good work in looking at the population numbers, and came up with a bit over 17.6k concurrent players on at prime time, across the NA servers. Not sure that qualifies as wildly popular, although its definitely not an insignificant amount.
I wouldn't call AC2's reviews "rave" but it was the first of the second generation games and the graphics were unlike anything out at the time. I remember upgrading my graphic card and RAM. Everyone was pretty ecited about it.
From launch AC2 was aways critized for its technical issues. It never broke more then 55,000 subs. One of its problems was Turbine made a game to compete with itself, and the players of the original AC rejected AC2 because it was to different from the original. The same thing happened to EQII to a point. Since then MMO makers appear to have learned not to make their own competition. Sequels have a very bad track record in MMO's. Even Lineage 2 doesn't do as well as Lineage 1 worldwide.
The reviewers I nornally gage a game on (there are tons more reviews but these are the reviewers I normally always read) gave AC2
(source http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/asheronscall2fallenkings/review.html?mode=web&om_act=convert&om_clk=stats&tag=stats;theysay )
Good reviews not really "rave".
As far as LotR's goes, it seems to be doing better then any game ever released by Turbine but they have been pretty hush hush about things so far. I'm curious about how its doing subscription wise at this point. We already knew Vanguard was a fricking burning wreck of a game at this point.
Equal opportunity troll.
Equal opportunity troll.
Congratulations, basically every fucking product on earth experiences the same phenomenon.
Your discovery is nothing ingenious or new,and experienced in every market. I'm sure the new spiderman film still isn't raking in the same amount of asses to watch it this weekend, is that to say spiderman 3 is a total shitfest?
Sony Online Entertainment Steals Customers Money
Equal opportunity troll.
He states in his post that servers with login ques had lower populations by his "super census abilities" and he can't figure out why. Gee goober, maybe what you are doing is flawed to the maximum? Anyone can make up numbers, here I will show you how it is done.
All servers have 14,000 people on them when I last checked, thus making the games user base eleventy kabillion. Of course there are unknown factors that could sway this number up or down a few kabillion. I will post these unconfirmable numbers every saturday, because I am super sweet. Servers with ques will be less populated than those without, because my counting methods are so accurate.
There you have it. I posted it on the interweb so it is just as true as your EQ2 vault mod. Don't bother posting that I am wrong unless you have gone and done your own surveys with the wealth of population tools in the game.
Fnord!
You want to see something that will blow the top of your skull off? Take a look at what X-Fire users play the most. Remember, x-fire has a lot of users, its no small time opporation. It safe to assume that it is fairly accurate -- note I didn't say totally or completely)
http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/ (take a look at the top 10 MMO's)
This runs every month so its only up to April right now. It will be interesting to see where LotRs ends up next month.
All these people posting numbers, don't forget Europe. Games like Everquest 2 aren't even sold in the shops out here, Vanguard never entered any top 10, but here in the Netherlands (and the same for germany from what i've seen) Lord of The Rings Online has been at number 1 position every single week since its release (source: spits media). The only other MMO's i've even seen in the Dutch top 10 are World of Warcraft and the guild wars games.
So however bad the flamers want this game to do, it is obviously the biggest success since World of Warcraft. I don't see LoTRO sell more then WoW in total, but i do see Turbine getting rich from this succesful title and thats good for the players (who will see content upgrades) and good for non-LOTRO-playing MMO fans too because the market simply needs more than 1 success to be able to succeed.
What's the point of continuing? Honestly, if this thread is off-topic, it should've been closed and locked up a long time ago.
-Vin
well lotro is not NGE-star wars galaxies
most people post so less because they are spending their time ingame...
but still I got friends who left lotro again for world or warcraft and I have not seen them log into lotro for weeks now...
and I'm at level 28 in lotro and begin to get bored slowly, I feel the boring feeling risin in me when I play lotro, because most people at my level wear the same looking armor, robes and clothes and somehow everyone seems to look the same ingame...
the character creation in lotro is unfortunatly a little weak, which makes (almost) everyone look the same...
and each time I do group quests, it feels like the same toolbar button spamming as before and in time it really gets boring beause you do the same over and over again, it feels like a routine and is not challenging and exciting anymore (I play lore-master by the way which is at least a little more challenging then other classes)
I think we really need something new in the mmorpg genre, there must be more than "wachting button spamming and falling asleep while questing with the group"
I heard age of conan will bring something new, looking forward for it and until then I will defently use lotro as a time-cut
"You must be either retarded or a fanboi..."
Anyway, back to playing
As to Stanly, you can go back through his post history and see he's just a sink of negativity. We all know people who we dred to see, because they sap the energy right out of you and clear a room just with there very presence. Sometimes they wonder why people just don't like them, because it couldn't be anything they've said...
Why waste so much personal energy beating on something other people like? You don't like it? Fine, don't play it. If your post history is nothing but petty negativity, you are an attention starved troll, plain and simple. Is Stanly a troll? I'll let people judge that for themselves, I've already wasted too much time on it writing this post.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
To small Bank space
No shared Bank
No Kinship Bank
No Macros
No UI Mods "skining isnt a Mod"
Lacking solo quest lvl 35+ "Hopefully June addon will help"
Not enough Character slots " Its criminal not to have enough to play 1 of each class"
Trade skill items not being bound on equip " while this is great for me to hand down items to my alts its a crazy idea for the economy
No Map notes
worst UI in any of the Major MMO's " lesson on how to make even the simplest thing as difficult as possible UI"
Not enough variety in quests " to many Kill X number of Mobs" where are the fun quest like WOW drop Bombs on the enemy while flying on a bird
No serverwide LFF channel
Linked Auction house?
Massive repair bills for certian classes compared to others " Bree Townhall half Price repairer helps
Travel prices are all over the place .. + need more quick travel points
No where to keep your own notes like a Journal
Mail system need an overhaul " an address book ?
No Bags
Tradeskills 90% of everything you make is just to raise your level since nothing is bind the market is flooded even though its only a month into release
2 Hand weapons need looking into " these dps isnt any better than 1 handers of same level , I rarely see anyone weilding 2 handers
I could go on & on But don't want to bore you all
QFT
You, sir, are a brilliant observer and a knower of the human psyche (psychiatrist maybe?:)
The OP is a person who receives no attention in real life (for whatever reason), so desperately seeks _any_ form of attention/communication, and internet forums are the best place to get this. Any form of feedback (arguing) is a form of attention, (however poor/distorted it is), so with every reply, you are in fact "feeding" the troll.
Best is to put the ignore hat on!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Whats even more funny is that some one would devote so much time and effort to trying to bring down a game that has been rated so high by the community and the industry. One heck of a hobby you have Stan.
I miss DAoC
Whats even more funny is that some one would devote so much time and effort to trying to bring down a game that has been rated so high by the community and the industry. One heck of a hobby you have Stan.
It's not a hobby, sad thing is that he MUST do it - it's an obsessive-compulsive symptom.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Way back in AC2 beta, Stanly got banned from the beta, and ever since then he has had a deep hatred for everything Turbine. He trolls every Turbine game board he can find. LOTRO could have 10 millions subs right now and he would still be trollling the forums and proclaiming that the game is doomed. His life won't be complete again until Turbine fails as a company.
The vnboard posters are well aware of Stanly's history with Turbine and just ignore him. Apparantly he has moved over to this board now, because noone bites on his anti-Turbine posts on the vnboards anymore.
What a sad life......
Currently Playing: DAOC Uthgard
Previously Played: UO, DAOC, Shadowbane, AC2, SWG, Horizons, COX, WOW, EQ2, LOTRO, AOC, WAR, Vanguard, Rift, SWTOR, ESO, GW2.
I don't put to much stock into Xfire. It is more likely to be results akin to "Dewey wins by a landslide" than anything else. It is intersting though.
So I guess Stan has found a home for the Turbine/Lotro hate.
Yay for us!
So I guess Stan has found a home for the Turbine/Lotro hate.
Yay for us!
Yep, the vnboard mods just end up locking his threads or moderating his posts. The moderation here (if there even is any moderation) is much more lax, so Stan can troll to his hearts content.
Currently Playing: DAOC Uthgard
Previously Played: UO, DAOC, Shadowbane, AC2, SWG, Horizons, COX, WOW, EQ2, LOTRO, AOC, WAR, Vanguard, Rift, SWTOR, ESO, GW2.