Is the concept of "checking your sources" completely lost on you?
I am not the one who put the numbers up to backup some home-spun theory. I do not have to verify or prove their authenticity, nor does anyone else here. You brought them up, so the onus is on you to check them. Nor did I ever say they were "fake". I never judged them one way or another, so please stop putting words in my mouth. If I had, or if I ever do cite statistics posted on some other site, you can rest assured I would not take them at face value and that I would verify their validity and do some due dilligence on them first.
What you've done here is put up some numbers in order to back-up your theory of LoTRO not doing so well or not being "wildly popular". Now that people are challenging them, you're trying to turn it around on us.. Wrong. It don't work that way. Again, the burden of proof is always - *always* - on the person making the claim.
My advice is, if you aren't willing to back-up or do your homework on stats you find on the internet, if you don't want to be challenged on them, then don't use them in your posts.
Checking my sources? Um, I provided the link. Check for yourself. Those numbers are not mine. It is my *opinion* that those are a pretty good estimate of the NA prime time numbers. The margin for error seems to be growing though, as there seems to be some issues with the /anon feature.
Since you are dispensing "advice", allow me the same courtesy. Work on your reading comprehension, learn the definition of a double standard, and don't make the mistake of thinking you have the upper hand in a debate merely by making the most noise. My original claim was that there seems to be a lull in posts on some of the major LOTRO forums, and IMHO, this signifies that people are becoming more disenchanted with the game.
But don't take my word for it... look at what some of the players say themselves.
And I'm sure it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are maybe 10 threads a day that get responses in this very forum. You can keep making as much noise as you want about the numbers, but at this point you are having a debate with yourself and comments that I haven't made.
lol..
Helllo... wall?
Obviously you don't get the idea. It's okay.. not the first time I've given someone more credit than they deserve.
One more time... Please, this time, read slowly and realllly concentrate and try to follow along, okay?
Ya with me? Okay... now pay close attention this time...
I am not obligated, nor compelled, to check the numbers, nor the methods used to get them, because I'm not the one citing them as a way to back-up a point I'm trying to make. You are doing so, and so it is your responsiblity to check your sources before using them. And I don't mean merely reading *how* the person came to reach them, I mean seeing if the methods used are at all relevant. If the methods used aren't thorough, then the numbers can't be reliable and shouldn't be used as an example of anything... however much you might like to believe that's the case.
Further, coming here, throwing those numbers out and endorsing them as "believable" and then telling *us* to go and check for their validity is ridiculous. Once again... you're the one citing them... not us!
Does that make it any clearer for you?
As for people becoming more disenchanted with the game - something you're obviously very much hoping to see... I'll echo what someone else has said here... It sounds like wishful thinking to me. You want the game to fail - you want players to become bored and quit. Else, why would you be "kicking back with the popcorn, getting ready for the show", going so far as to start a thread about it.
Here's a news-flash... A portion of *every* game's population gets disenchanted with it. It's called "nothing is for everyone". If you're seriously judging the amount of posts you see on message forums as an accurate indicator of the popular opinion of the game, then you are really a very simple person. You do realize that those who would come onto a forum to post negative commentary are, at best, a vocal minority, right? The posting patterns on a forum never indicate the big picture of how well a game is doing.
There are games out there that, according to their detractors, have been "dying" for years now.. yet they're still going strong. I've been hearing that FFXI is "dying" for over 2 years - yet its subscriber numbers have not gone down.
So, by all means, continue sitting there waiting for the ship to sink... I just hope you brought plenty of pop-corn, because it's going to be a long wait.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I am not obligated, nor compelled, to check the numbers, nor the methods used to get them, because I'm not the one citing them as a way to back-up a point I'm trying to make. You are doing so, and so it is your responsiblity to check your sources before using them. And I don't mean merely reading *how* the person came to reach them, I mean seeing if the methods used are at all relevant. If the methods used aren't thorough, then the numbers can't be reliable and shouldn't be used as an example of anything... however much you might like to believe that's the case.
I don't believe you. You need to provide factual evidence that you didn't check the numbers. I'll need notarized documents detailing every second of your life between now and when you posted this. Once you do this, I'll discount it as false, because the methodology you used for documentation is not thorough enough, and isn't an accepted standard. Don't make claims that you can't back up.
Further, coming here, throwing those numbers out and endorsing them as "believable" and then telling *us* to go and check for their validity is ridiculous. Once again... you're the one citing them... not us!
You know, I'm actually flattered. I didn't realize that my "endorsement" carries so much weight with you. I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I post my opinions again.
Does that make it any clearer for you?
While no more clear than before, its still crystal clear. You like to bury your head in the sand. That's your prerogative.
As for people becoming more disenchanted with the game - something you're obviously very much hoping to see... I'll echo what someone else has said here... It sounds like wishful thinking to me. You want the game to fail - you want players to become bored and quit. Else, why would you be "kicking back with the popcorn, getting ready for the show", going so far as to start a thread about it.
Your opinion is duly noted. Feel free to draw more conclusions about me without any evidence to back up your claims.
Here's a news-flash... A portion of *every* game's population gets disenchanted with it. It's called "nothing is for everyone". If you're seriously judging the amount of posts you see on message forums as an accurate indicator of the popular opinion of the game, then you are really a very simple person. You do realize that those who would come onto a forum to post negative commentary are, at best, a vocal minority, right? The posting patterns on a forum never indicate the big picture of how well a game is doing.
I don't believe you. You are making a wild claim, and have no way to back it up. Don't go around making claims you can't back up.
There are games out there that, according to their detractors, have been "dying" for years now.. yet they're still going strong. I've been hearing that FFXI is "dying" for over 2 years - yet its subscriber numbers have not gone down.
Where is your proof that its subscriber numbers have not gone down? In fact, where is your proof that detractors have said games are "dying"?
So, by all means, continue sitting there waiting for the ship to sink... I just hope you brought plenty of pop-corn, because it's going to be a long wait.
If I said I bought lots of popcorn, how could I prove it? On a side note, I read this article once that smoking causes lung cancer. I can't prove it though. Want to try smoking now?
I am not obligated, nor compelled, to check the numbers, nor the methods used to get them, because I'm not the one citing them as a way to back-up a point I'm trying to make. You are doing so, and so it is your responsiblity to check your sources before using them. And I don't mean merely reading *how* the person came to reach them, I mean seeing if the methods used are at all relevant. If the methods used aren't thorough, then the numbers can't be reliable and shouldn't be used as an example of anything... however much you might like to believe that's the case.
I don't believe you. You need to provide factual evidence that you didn't check the numbers. I'll need notarized documents detailing every second of your life between now and when you posted this. Once you do this, I'll discount it as false, because the methodology you used for documentation is not thorough enough, and isn't an accepted standard. Don't make claims that you can't back up.
Further, coming here, throwing those numbers out and endorsing them as "believable" and then telling *us* to go and check for their validity is ridiculous. Once again... you're the one citing them... not us!
You know, I'm actually flattered. I didn't realize that my "endorsement" carries so much weight with you. I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I post my opinions again.
Does that make it any clearer for you?
While no more clear than before, its still crystal clear. You like to bury your head in the sand. That's your prerogative.
As for people becoming more disenchanted with the game - something you're obviously very much hoping to see... I'll echo what someone else has said here... It sounds like wishful thinking to me. You want the game to fail - you want players to become bored and quit. Else, why would you be "kicking back with the popcorn, getting ready for the show", going so far as to start a thread about it.
Your opinion is duly noted. Feel free to draw more conclusions about me without any evidence to back up your claims.
Here's a news-flash... A portion of *every* game's population gets disenchanted with it. It's called "nothing is for everyone". If you're seriously judging the amount of posts you see on message forums as an accurate indicator of the popular opinion of the game, then you are really a very simple person. You do realize that those who would come onto a forum to post negative commentary are, at best, a vocal minority, right? The posting patterns on a forum never indicate the big picture of how well a game is doing.
I don't believe you. You are making a wild claim, and have no way to back it up. Don't go around making claims you can't back up.
There are games out there that, according to their detractors, have been "dying" for years now.. yet they're still going strong. I've been hearing that FFXI is "dying" for over 2 years - yet its subscriber numbers have not gone down.
Where is your proof that its subscriber numbers have not gone down? In fact, where is your proof that detractors have said games are "dying"?
So, by all means, continue sitting there waiting for the ship to sink... I just hope you brought plenty of pop-corn, because it's going to be a long wait.
If I said I bought lots of popcorn, how could I prove it? On a side note, I read this article once that smoking causes lung cancer. I can't prove it though. Want to try smoking now?
-shaking head-
Okay, so you feel it's perfectly reasonable to expect people to take whatever you post here at face value - because some guy on some other site did "pretty good work" coming up with numbers, based on some home-grown methods, that you feel are "believable". And my head is "in the sand" because I'm questioning their authenticity. Got it. That makes *perfect* sense.
I get it.. You believe everything you read - so long as it supports your point-of-view. That's very clear to everyone in this thread, I'm sure.
And as for "drawing conclusions" about you... I don't have to! One only has to read between the lines with you - from your first post in this thread and right on through. You are hoping the game fails - you're looking forward to seeing it losing players. You're watching the "posting patterns" for signs of it happening... You're "kicking back with popcorn to enjoy the show" (or however you phrased it). There's no "conclusions" to be drawn here - you've spelled it out for us in plain English. Come on... There's being full of shit. And then there's being full of shit. You squarely fit in both categories.
And *my* head is in the sand?
Pot, meet Kettle.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Well, one thing is certainly sure. LOTRO will sink and die much sooner then Stanly coming up on these boards with _facts_ and _any_ valid, backed up and unique arguments DB
Now come on Donnie..
Stanly read the numbers.. and they were believable to him. That should be good enough for anyone. You just need to get your head out of the sand.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
The storm will come soon. The fall from grace is happening. I'll get my popcorn ready.
LIke a bit of melodrama do you ? You should have followed the vanguard forums.
As for LOTRO. Well there maybe some contraversial aspects ( i.e. WoW likeness or not, Monster play) but the game is likeable and doing well... unless turbine do something quite quite stupid .... nah there be some people whining about small X and small Y, threatening to leave (melodrama again!)... but no I dont see anything crippeling.
Well, one thing is certainly sure. LOTRO will sink and die much sooner then Stanly coming up on these boards with _facts_ and _any_ valid, backed up and unique arguments DB
Now come on Donnie..
Stanly read the numbers.. and they were believable to him. That should be good enough for anyone. You just need to get your head out of the sand.
Eh, you're right... I mean, HE is
BTW please don't scare him away, I just bought myself another wagonload of popcorn
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Okay, so you feel it's perfectly reasonable to expect people to take whatever you post here at face value - because some guy on some other site did "pretty good work" coming up with numbers, based on some home-grown methods, that you feel are "believable". And my head is "in the sand" because I'm questioning their authenticity. Got it. That makes *perfect* sense.
No I don't, hence why I provided the link. Anyone can read the original post for themselves and decide whether or not they feel the numbers are within reason. I read it, and I personally feel they are. I'm allowed to do that. Your head is in the sand because you question their authenticity without actually reading the original post.
I get it.. You believe everything you read - so long as it supports your point-of-view. That's very clear to everyone in this thread, I'm sure.
At least I read it. And yeah, the other 2... enthusiasts... seem to wholeheartedly agree with you. Give yourself a pat on the back.
And as for "drawing conclusions" about you... I don't have to! One only has to read between the lines with you - from your first post in this thread and right on through. You are hoping the game fails - you're looking forward to seeing it losing players. You're watching the "posting patterns" for signs of it happening... You're "kicking back with popcorn to enjoy the show" (or however you phrased it). There's no "conclusions" to be drawn here - you've spelled it out for us in plain English. Come on... There's being full of shit. And then there's being full of shit. You squarely fit in both categories.
So you aren't drawing conclusions, you are just reading between the lines. I guess theres a big difference, but I'm not aware of it. I must have missed school that day. By all means though, feel free to continue to with this behavior, and throw in more personal attacks while you are at it.
And *my* head is in the sand?
Pot, meet Kettle.
Sure. I noticed how you didn't directly respond to any of the points I made in my previous response to you. Its like you didn't want to hear any of them. I think theres a saying that describes that behavior...
Originally posted by DonnieBrasco Eh, you're right... I mean, HE is BTW please don't scare him away, I just bought myself another wagonload of popcorn DB
Oh don't you worry about that, Donnie. This isn't the first time I've gone head to head with... enthusiasts... and it won't be the last. I always rather enjoy this part of the debate where other... enthusiasts... start chiming in to talk *about* me, rather than *to* me, because this makes them feel a sense of camaraderie, as if they were vanquishing a common foe. These posts are usually followed by "I'm done talking with you, you aren't worth it" posts. Looking forward to them.
Okay, so you feel it's perfectly reasonable to expect people to take whatever you post here at face value - because some guy on some other site did "pretty good work" coming up with numbers, based on some home-grown methods, that you feel are "believable". And my head is "in the sand" because I'm questioning their authenticity. Got it. That makes *perfect* sense.
No I don't, hence why I provided the link. Anyone can read the original post for themselves and decide whether or not they feel the numbers are within reason. I read it, and I personally feel they are. I'm allowed to do that. Your head is in the sand because you question their authenticity without actually reading the original post.
Umm... how do you know I didn't read the original post? LIttle presumptuous of you, isn't it? Kinda like.. oh, I don't know... presuming there's some "calm before the storm" taking place... but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you.
For the record - yes I did read the post. My verdict? They could be dead on, they could be way off. I really don't care either way. I'm enjoying the game, and that's all I need to know. Whether they're accurate or not was never my issue.
I realize you can't see the absurdity in your argument and in your endorsement of numbers "some guy on another forum" did a "pretty good job" in coming up with, deeming them "believable" enough to support your point that the game isn't doing as well as some might think. That much is certain. Thing is... everyone else can see the absurdity in it.. and I guess that's where the problem lies.
I get it.. You believe everything you read - so long as it supports your point-of-view. That's very clear to everyone in this thread, I'm sure.
At least I read it. And yeah, the other 2... enthusiasts... seem to wholeheartedly agree with you. Give yourself a pat on the back.
I don't need a pat on the back or the agreement of anyone else, thank you. I call it as I see it.
And as for "drawing conclusions" about you... I don't have to! One only has to read between the lines with you - from your first post in this thread and right on through. You are hoping the game fails - you're looking forward to seeing it losing players. You're watching the "posting patterns" for signs of it happening... You're "kicking back with popcorn to enjoy the show" (or however you phrased it). There's no "conclusions" to be drawn here - you've spelled it out for us in plain English. Come on... There's being full of shit. And then there's being full of shit. You squarely fit in both categories.
So you aren't drawing conclusions, you are just reading between the lines. I guess theres a big difference, but I'm not aware of it. I must have missed school that day. By all means though, feel free to continue to with this behavior, and throw in more personal attacks while you are at it.
Okay, then please educate us, oh prophetic one...
What exactly are you getting at with heavy, melodramatic sounding subjects like "The calm before the storm...". Or, how about when you go on to make absurdly presumptuous comments like "They aren't posting now because they are in a state of disbelief. They are torn between wanting to like the game as much as they said they did, and their actual feelings of frustration. Confusion and doubt is settling in." Seriously.. where the hell are you pulling this from? Then, you wrap it all up with the even more pretentious "The storm will come soon. The fall from grace is happening. I'll get my popcorn ready."
There's a clear indication of "sitting back to enjoy the show" in the whole "popcorn" comment... Is there not? Or is there some metaphor we simpletons just aren't evolved enough to comprehend?
Sure. I noticed how you didn't directly respond to any of the points I made in my previous response to you. Its like you didn't want to hear any of them. I think theres a saying that describes that behavior...
Wait... you obviously are under the misconception that anything you said in those.. umm.. "points".... were worth responding to. Ooops.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
For the record - yes I did read the post. My verdict? They could be dead on, they could be way off. I really don't care either way. I'm enjoying the game, and that's all I need to know. Whether they're accurate or not was never my issue.
Oh, and here I thought the last 6 lengthy posts you made where you talked about the accuracy of the numbers was... about the accuracy of the numbers. My mistake.
For the record - yes I did read the post. My verdict? They could be dead on, they could be way off. I really don't care either way. I'm enjoying the game, and that's all I need to know. Whether they're accurate or not was never my issue.
Oh, and here I thought the last 6 lengthy posts you made where you talked about the accuracy of the numbers was... about the accuracy of the numbers. My mistake.
When did I ever challenge the accuracy of the numbers?
Please... quote the exact lines when I said "those numbers aren't accurate", in any manner?
What I *was* debating was how you validated them - or whether you did at all - to feel they were solid - or "believable" in your words - enough to use in support of your claim on this thread. Something you never did, but instead said that *we* should go validate them... which was a ridiculous stance to take. It was your comment, not ours.
That you can't understand why people are skeptical when you say you gleaned the numbers from "some guy on another forum" who used his own home-brewed method of getting them is, frankly, humorous. "Some guy on another forum" just does not win over instant credibility - whether you find the results believable or not.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Originally posted by WSIMikeWhat I *was* debating was how you validated them - or whether you did at all - to feel they were solid - or "believable" in your words - enough to use in support of your claim on this thread. Something you never did, but instead said that *we* should go validate them... which was a ridiculous stance to take. It was your comment, not ours.
That you can't understand why people are skeptical when you say you gleaned the numbers from "some guy on another forum" who used his own home-brewed method of getting them is, frankly, humorous. "Some guy on another forum" just does not win over instant credibility - whether you find the results believable or not.
I never validated them, and said so. The reason I said to go check the numbers yourselves, is because I have no means to do so, seeing as how I don't play the game. If you play the game, you can validate (or refute) them. Even though I can't validate them, I can still believe they are a good estimate .
I'm glad people are skeptical. I wholeheartedly "endorse" skepticism of my, or any other posters, comments. Please, feel free to call my comments humorous, say they lack credibility, thats just dandy, and most certainly your opinion.
But what makes your stance in this debate the weaker, is simple. You are being skeptical for the sake of being skeptical. You cast doubt with no basis, and offer no counterclaims. Typical FUD tactics. If you can't win, simply try to discredit the other guy.
So at the end of the day, what have you done? I still believe those numbers are a good estimate as to the prime time concurrent population across the NA servers. Anyone who reads the link to the numbers is free to draw their own conclusions and be as skeptical as they want.
Feel free to keep trying to make it sound as if I can't formulate my own opinion. I'll keep letting you know that I can, and certainly will.
Originally posted by WSIMikeWhat I *was* debating was how you validated them - or whether you did at all - to feel they were solid - or "believable" in your words - enough to use in support of your claim on this thread. Something you never did, but instead said that *we* should go validate them... which was a ridiculous stance to take. It was your comment, not ours.
That you can't understand why people are skeptical when you say you gleaned the numbers from "some guy on another forum" who used his own home-brewed method of getting them is, frankly, humorous. "Some guy on another forum" just does not win over instant credibility - whether you find the results believable or not.
I never validated them, and said so. The reason I said to go check the numbers yourselves, is because I have no means to do so, seeing as how I don't play the game. If you play the game, you can validate (or refute) them. Even though I can't validate them, I can still believe they are a good estimate .
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I still believe those numbers are a good estimate as to the prime time concurrent population across the NA servers.
So wait...
- You don't play the game, so you can't verify them, but still take them at face value as being "believable"?
Are you that gullible?
Is there no litmus test for how any kind of statistics are reached for you? Is "some guy on another forum" really credible enough for you to give an endorsement? If so.. wow.. pretty low standards there.
Heck, if you'd said it was a third-party, non-partisan company who's paid to do data-mining on games like this, and has no personal investment in how well the game does... I'd be a little less cynical.
But, "some guy on another forum" just doesn't inspire instant credibility.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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Since you are dispensing "advice", allow me the same courtesy. Work on your reading comprehension, learn the definition of a double standard, and don't make the mistake of thinking you have the upper hand in a debate merely by making the most noise. My original claim was that there seems to be a lull in posts on some of the major LOTRO forums, and IMHO, this signifies that people are becoming more disenchanted with the game.
But don't take my word for it... look at what some of the players say themselves.
vnboards.ign.com/lotr_online_general_board/b5042/103046105/p1/
And I'm sure it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are maybe 10 threads a day that get responses in this very forum. You can keep making as much noise as you want about the numbers, but at this point you are having a debate with yourself and comments that I haven't made.
lol..
Helllo... wall?
Obviously you don't get the idea. It's okay.. not the first time I've given someone more credit than they deserve.
One more time... Please, this time, read slowly and realllly concentrate and try to follow along, okay?
Ya with me? Okay... now pay close attention this time...
I am not obligated, nor compelled, to check the numbers, nor the methods used to get them, because I'm not the one citing them as a way to back-up a point I'm trying to make. You are doing so, and so it is your responsiblity to check your sources before using them. And I don't mean merely reading *how* the person came to reach them, I mean seeing if the methods used are at all relevant. If the methods used aren't thorough, then the numbers can't be reliable and shouldn't be used as an example of anything... however much you might like to believe that's the case.
Further, coming here, throwing those numbers out and endorsing them as "believable" and then telling *us* to go and check for their validity is ridiculous. Once again... you're the one citing them... not us!
Does that make it any clearer for you?
As for people becoming more disenchanted with the game - something you're obviously very much hoping to see... I'll echo what someone else has said here... It sounds like wishful thinking to me. You want the game to fail - you want players to become bored and quit. Else, why would you be "kicking back with the popcorn, getting ready for the show", going so far as to start a thread about it.
Here's a news-flash... A portion of *every* game's population gets disenchanted with it. It's called "nothing is for everyone". If you're seriously judging the amount of posts you see on message forums as an accurate indicator of the popular opinion of the game, then you are really a very simple person. You do realize that those who would come onto a forum to post negative commentary are, at best, a vocal minority, right? The posting patterns on a forum never indicate the big picture of how well a game is doing.
There are games out there that, according to their detractors, have been "dying" for years now.. yet they're still going strong. I've been hearing that FFXI is "dying" for over 2 years - yet its subscriber numbers have not gone down.
So, by all means, continue sitting there waiting for the ship to sink... I just hope you brought plenty of pop-corn, because it's going to be a long wait.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Equal opportunity troll.
Well, one thing is certainly sure.
LOTRO will sink and die much sooner then Stanly coming up on these boards with _facts_ and _any_ valid, backed up and unique arguments
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Okay, so you feel it's perfectly reasonable to expect people to take whatever you post here at face value - because some guy on some other site did "pretty good work" coming up with numbers, based on some home-grown methods, that you feel are "believable". And my head is "in the sand" because I'm questioning their authenticity. Got it. That makes *perfect* sense.
I get it.. You believe everything you read - so long as it supports your point-of-view. That's very clear to everyone in this thread, I'm sure.
And as for "drawing conclusions" about you... I don't have to! One only has to read between the lines with you - from your first post in this thread and right on through. You are hoping the game fails - you're looking forward to seeing it losing players. You're watching the "posting patterns" for signs of it happening... You're "kicking back with popcorn to enjoy the show" (or however you phrased it). There's no "conclusions" to be drawn here - you've spelled it out for us in plain English. Come on... There's being full of shit. And then there's being full of shit. You squarely fit in both categories.
And *my* head is in the sand?
Pot, meet Kettle.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Stanly read the numbers.. and they were believable to him. That should be good enough for anyone. You just need to get your head out of the sand.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
LIke a bit of melodrama do you ? You should have followed the vanguard forums.
As for LOTRO. Well there maybe some contraversial aspects ( i.e. WoW likeness or not, Monster play) but the game is likeable and doing well... unless turbine do something quite quite stupid .... nah there be some people whining about small X and small Y, threatening to leave (melodrama again!)... but no I dont see anything crippeling.
UNless someone wants to prove me wrong
Stanly read the numbers.. and they were believable to him. That should be good enough for anyone. You just need to get your head out of the sand.
Eh, you're right... I mean, HE is
BTW please don't scare him away, I just bought myself another wagonload of popcorn
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Equal opportunity troll.
Oh don't you worry about that, Donnie. This isn't the first time I've gone head to head with... enthusiasts... and it won't be the last. I always rather enjoy this part of the debate where other... enthusiasts... start chiming in to talk *about* me, rather than *to* me, because this makes them feel a sense of camaraderie, as if they were vanquishing a common foe. These posts are usually followed by "I'm done talking with you, you aren't worth it" posts. Looking forward to them.
Equal opportunity troll.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Equal opportunity troll.
When did I ever challenge the accuracy of the numbers?
Please... quote the exact lines when I said "those numbers aren't accurate", in any manner?
What I *was* debating was how you validated them - or whether you did at all - to feel they were solid - or "believable" in your words - enough to use in support of your claim on this thread. Something you never did, but instead said that *we* should go validate them... which was a ridiculous stance to take. It was your comment, not ours.
That you can't understand why people are skeptical when you say you gleaned the numbers from "some guy on another forum" who used his own home-brewed method of getting them is, frankly, humorous. "Some guy on another forum" just does not win over instant credibility - whether you find the results believable or not.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I'm glad people are skeptical. I wholeheartedly "endorse" skepticism of my, or any other posters, comments. Please, feel free to call my comments humorous, say they lack credibility, thats just dandy, and most certainly your opinion.
But what makes your stance in this debate the weaker, is simple. You are being skeptical for the sake of being skeptical. You cast doubt with no basis, and offer no counterclaims. Typical FUD tactics. If you can't win, simply try to discredit the other guy.
So at the end of the day, what have you done? I still believe those numbers are a good estimate as to the prime time concurrent population across the NA servers. Anyone who reads the link to the numbers is free to draw their own conclusions and be as skeptical as they want.
Feel free to keep trying to make it sound as if I can't formulate my own opinion. I'll keep letting you know that I can, and certainly will.
Equal opportunity troll.
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I still believe those numbers are a good estimate as to the prime time concurrent population across the NA servers.
So wait...
- You don't play the game, so you can't verify them, but still take them at face value as being "believable"?
Are you that gullible?
Is there no litmus test for how any kind of statistics are reached for you? Is "some guy on another forum" really credible enough for you to give an endorsement? If so.. wow.. pretty low standards there.
Heck, if you'd said it was a third-party, non-partisan company who's paid to do data-mining on games like this, and has no personal investment in how well the game does... I'd be a little less cynical.
But, "some guy on another forum" just doesn't inspire instant credibility.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops