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EVE CCP did it again ?
Enderghost
Member Posts: 10
Another scandal in EVE ? ..... CCP working hard (in weekend) to sweep under the carpet all the trash 
Comments
http://vnboards.ign.com/eve_general_board/b22281/103018108/p1/?14
Couple screenshots in the OP's message
http://images.goonfleet.com/images/ccp/2007.05.25.15.19.48.jpg
http://images.goonfleet.com/images/ccp/CCP%20charkbait%202.png
Yep, another scandal has hit Crowd Control Productions. You can read about it http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=526462
One post I found particualarly illuminating was this,
"You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge?
And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game?
Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow.
Get over yourselves.
Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT?
(not directed at you, nyphur, jsut the general idiocy that is prevalent in this thread)."
This is a quote from, Dianabolic of Reikoku (Band of Brothers) (ref. Band of Brothers is the alliance that is most accussed of cheating and receiving preferrential treament from customer sevices, etc)
This one is better:
You know, you really should think before you post, Diana. Simply put, there are many groups who have NEVER "pulled stunts like this" and lack a special line of communication with the devs despite that. Moreover, if you think the game should be about about "winning friends and influencing people"* among the devs to get ahead instead of succeeding on your own merits in-game, then you are as morally bankrupt as the rumors try to make you out to be.
The bottom line:
* By your own admission, you have a line of contact to the devs that others do not.
* It has been proven that CCP has given BoB direct assistance on at least two occasions (T20 and the mothership incident)
* Strange things keep happening that tend to favor BoB and their allies
* BoB often seem to have foreknowledge of changes to game mechanics, and exploit that prior knowledge to attain advantage
The more you rant on about having friendships and special lines of communication with the devs, the more you solidify the case against you. It doesn't help that you're often arrogant and...well, I guess impolite is the best term that I can use that won't get my post deleted.
*EDIT: Carnegie was an ass, IMO - I read "How to Win Friends and Influence People", and, while the methods he described were effective, they were often calculating and callous.
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
All the more reason why I don't play EVE anymore (besides sucking at the game, lol!).
-- Brede
That is exactly why I stopped playing EVE Online. It seemed that some people's $15 a month was not as good as other people's. Playing favorites with certain groups of people is not the right way to run an MMORPG.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
It's just really a damn shame. Eve is probably the best MMO out there right now and CCP can't keep their hands outa the fuckin' cookie jar. It's one thing to play the game so that you have a feel for how the game plays and what kinds of issues the players face. It's completely different when you're playing the game win and don't give a shit about playing it straight. I almost wonder if this kind of thing is going to happen in all sandbox games wit player driven economies....
Every thing comeing from the goons is to be taken with a handfull of salt.
in case you didnt notice, 8 gameing sites publish the letter on there site before ccp got wind of it, the goons are attacking ccp since they have failed to take down bob.
also from what i can see the isd guy that got banned is the same guy that got banned for stealing from his frinds acount.
the hole letter is takeing alot of difrent things and compiling them in to one.
regarding the events one mans rigged event is anothers good story line.
The stuf that the goons are spouting off abut and useing is comeing from a hacker in indonisia who surprise surprise hacked the goons forum and made a drama bomb out of it, they then called him a liar ect ect.
Now that he has started on bob he is now jesus mk2.
There is alot of hidden agendas going on here, its okay to think for your self.
oh and btw bob have had there 10/10 complexs removed for over 2 months now, when red alliance where exploiting there complexs it just got hotfixed over night.
From what i read on the EVE forums it said that no one reported any bug and that there was no bug. And that all attempts to contact CCP about the issue was ignored and traces deleted. Its like some 36 page monster thread on the Eve forums or something.
From reading the EVE forums there is alot more dirt then whats just posted here... however i only played the trail and i dont understand the terminology enough to come to any personal conclusions.
Corp petitions a bug.
CCP logs in to fix it, but in order to do that he has to give himself access to the corp, which he does. He fixes the bug and lets himself out, and deletes the petition.
Members within the same corp see him joining without knowing why he's there, screenshots it and starts drama.
Members of other corps obviously petitions it. CCP deletes the petitions, disregarding them as random "my enemy cheats!" claims.
By now it's already "too late", and the story has long spiralled out of control. It's the type of thing people love to hate and no matter the actual reason, it will go down in the history books as "CCP cheats".
Nobody from Goon called this dev to fix anything, because nothing was broken. He came uninvited, forced his way into the corp, gave himself full powers (including recruiting, dismissal, wallet privileges, all the loots in storage), and never made any mention to anyone why he was there.
If he was doing something reasonable, then why did the Goons get squelched in convos about it to CS, and have tickets deleted with no answer? Because its simple: the EVE dev was up to no good. And given the great success of Goon against the owner's friends alliance, the owners felt it necessary to cheat so that BoB could compete.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
CCP>normal player base>Goons>hacker faggot trying to ruin the game
the level of trust is in that order
I'd trust that Smed's underwears smell like roses and lilacs before I trust these jamokes who run EVE after this man.
You are just mad because everyone knows that the game is a sham now. Goons are heroes for looking after the gamers.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Please someone correct me if i'm wrong about this.
[quote]... who are you... did u create this account just to respond to this topic?[/quote]
Yes he did, he knew in 2006 that this topic would be hot and made his account in advance
Please someone correct me if i'm wrong about this.
If a dm/gm needet to steal from a corp they coud, if they whanted to read your mails they coud.
If a dev spotted a bug they are allowed to fix it, they dont need a player saying "okay you can fix the bug" to do it.
No he probably created that account during the 2006 "bump EVE up on MMROPG.com" threads at eve-online.com that appear periodicaly. Interestingly enough, they usualy get started up by members of eve online staff.
Edit: like "omg WoW is beating us in ratings! Everyone go to www.mmorpg.com and vote EVE up! I've been there for those threads. I've been with EVE since beta.
Please someone correct me if i'm wrong about this.
If a dm/gm needet to steal from a corp they coud, if they whanted to read your mails they coud.
If a dev spotted a bug they are allowed to fix it, they dont need a player saying "okay you can fix the bug" to do it.
Ok... you are either drunk, tired, or have a shitty keyboard. you didnt get my point.My point was that No dev that i am aware of should have went into a guild/corp with an outside character that wasnt labeled GM to fix a bug. i'm fully aware that they can do whatever they want to as to reading mail and taking stuff. but as to joining a corp making themselves leader and then fixing said "bug"... not right.
i like the comfort of blizzard statemant and other trusted mmo's that i cant think of atm. "Remember... Blizzard will NEVER ask you for your password"