Since Vanguard was a flop...

kimmar

Is SOE planning on lowering their Station Pass price back down to what it used to be, since Vanguard's numbers turned out so bad?



I remember them saying they were raising it because of the addition of Vanguard to the lineup.  But, since most people don't like it, it would only seem fair to lower the price back to where it was.  I mean, if no one is playing it, then isn't it sort of not really in the lineup?

Woopin

Wouldnt say it was a flop just over hyped :P



And no dont expect to see SOE drop prices any time soon there a greedy company.

jellojuice

yep ....greedy company all right...should be giving it away

Heltern

It is official it is a flop. The design team lost a ton of employees who were fired and now have a staff of only 50. The game is so empty the 40+ levels are waiting 4+ hours for groups in a forced grouping game on all of 9 servers. It is really pathetic that someone was dumb enough to make a niche game for a group of players this small and spend $30 million.

pb1285n

Originally posted by Heltern

It is official it is a flop. The design team lost a ton of employees who were fired and now have a staff of only 50. The game is so empty the 40+ levels are waiting 4+ hours for groups in a forced grouping game on all of 9 servers. It is really pathetic that someone was dumb enough to make a niche game for a group of players this small and spend $30 million.

Yay people lost their job and I'm happy about it because it made me right! HOORAY!!

I'm really curious how your train of thought brought you to such a horrible conclusion. You really need help.

matraque

VG is not a flop... playing ATM and i'm having fun.



Released early? yes

Poor performance? yes

Very Hyped? yes

Fun? indeed

Urdig

Strange, I always end up grouped with people, even when I just want to solo.  Every where I go there are people, and they WANT to group.

Forced grouping would imply that people are grouping against thier will, as aposed to grouping because they want to.

I am aware that the second sentence is kind of a contridiction to the first, but if you understand what I'm saying then you'll get it.

Publish6246

Vanguard is a flop, theres no other word for it :P I tried it again after beta but now theres tooo many hackers on PVP server and it just doesn't make it fun so i quit the game.

SWGLover

I dunno, the term flop seems to cover it when:

a) 30 million dollars spent producing it with very little, if any hope of recovering that cost, much less amking a profit.

 

b) A small and dwindling population

 

c) a buggy luanch and poor word of mouth along with luke warm reviews ( for the money spent, the reviews should be solid...they're not )

 

d) Tech. issues with a wide variety of computers.

 

e) A large change over and decrease in staff.

 

 

Not where I'd want to be after spending that much cash backing a game. I'm sure the money men are not pleased.....

matraque

Originally posted by SWGLover


I dunno, the term flop seems to cover it when:
a) 30 million dollars spent producing it with very little, if any hope of recovering that cost, much less amking a profit.
 
b) A small and dwindling population
 
c) a buggy luanch and poor word of mouth along with luke warm reviews ( for the money spent, the reviews should be solid...they're not )
 
d) Tech. issues with a wide variety of computers.
 
e) A large change over and decrease in staff.
 
 
Not where I'd want to be after spending that much cash backing a game. I'm sure the money men are not pleased.....

SWG is a flop then.  Always been, always will.

Netspook

Originally posted by pb1285n

Originally posted by Heltern

It is official it is a flop. The design team lost a ton of employees who were fired and now have a staff of only 50. The game is so empty the 40+ levels are waiting 4+ hours for groups in a forced grouping game on all of 9 servers. It is really pathetic that someone was dumb enough to make a niche game for a group of players this small and spend $30 million.

Yay people lost their job and I'm happy about it because it made me right! HOORAY!!

I'm really curious how your train of thought brought you to such a horrible conclusion. You really need help.

If you can't handle other ppls' opinions, go troll somewhere else. Personal attacks on him just because you disagree, is pathetic.

I couldn't care less about those ppl who lost their jobs. If they didn't realize they were on a sinking ship, then it's their own faults. Everyone else knew, and these ppl were in the middle of it. Besides, why should I care when 50-100 ppl lose their jobs on the other side of the planet? The qualified ones will find new jobs. Maybe not those whos only qualification was being a brother/sister/whatever of someone in charge there. Yeah, Sigil is known for that too...

Samuraisword

Originally posted by kimmar

Is SOE planning on lowering their Station Pass price back down to what it used to be, since Vanguard's numbers turned out so bad?



I remember them saying they were raising it because of the addition of Vanguard to the lineup.  But, since most people don't like it, it would only seem fair to lower the price back to where it was.  I mean, if no one is playing it, then isn't it sort of not really in the lineup?

Most SOE games suck which is supported by low subscription numbers. WoW crushes all SOE games combined. SOE isn't  going to lower their rates, but the good news is that it doesn't matter unless you are foolish enough to play their games.

Netspook

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Originally posted by kimmar

Is SOE planning on lowering their Station Pass price back down to what it used to be, since Vanguard's numbers turned out so bad?



I remember them saying they were raising it because of the addition of Vanguard to the lineup.  But, since most people don't like it, it would only seem fair to lower the price back to where it was.  I mean, if no one is playing it, then isn't it sort of not really in the lineup?

Most SOE games suck which is supported by low subscription numbers. WoW crushes all SOE games combined. SOE isn't  going to lower their rates, but the good news is that it doesn't matter unless you are foolish enough to play their games.

"Foolish enough to play their games"?

Huh, you're calling hundreds of thousands EQ2 players and others for fools? Damn, talk about narrow minded...

M1sf1t

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Originally posted by Urdig
Strange, I always end up grouped with people, even when I just want to solo. Every where I go there are people, and they WANT to group.
Forced grouping would imply that people are grouping against thier will, as aposed to grouping because they want to.
I am aware that the second sentence is kind of a contridiction to the first, but if you understand what I'm saying then you'll get it.

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Nice picture. To bad their aren't any player owned flying mounts in the game. Some much that was promised and so little was delivered by Sigil.

M1sf1t

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Originally posted by matraque

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Originally posted by SWGLover

I dunno, the term flop seems to cover it when:
a) 30 million dollars spent producing it with very little, if any hope of recovering that cost, much less amking a profit.

b) A small and dwindling population

c) a buggy luanch and poor word of mouth along with luke warm reviews ( for the money spent, the reviews should be solid...they're not )

d) Tech. issues with a wide variety of computers.

e) A large change over and decrease in staff.


Not where I'd want to be after spending that much cash backing a game. I'm sure the money men are not pleased.....

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SWG is a flop then. Always been, always will.

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SWG has more people playing it on 3 servers at this moment then can be found on all VG servers right now. Every server is low pop ( aka 1,000 or less players on them ) save maybe 1 Euro server that occasionally raises to medium pop. At most VG has 50,000 players currently and that is being generous IMHO.

FreddyNoNose

Originally posted by Urdig


Strange, I always end up grouped with people, even when I just want to solo.  Every where I go there are people, and they WANT to group.
Forced grouping would imply that people are grouping against thier will, as aposed to grouping because they want to.
I am aware that the second sentence is kind of a contridiction to the first, but if you understand what I'm saying then you'll get it.

When did you get your flying mount?

M1sf1t

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Originally posted by FreddyNoNose
Originally posted by Urdig Strange, I always end up grouped with people, even when I just want to solo. Every where I go there are people, and they WANT to group.
Forced grouping would imply that people are grouping against thier will, as aposed to grouping because they want to.
I am aware that the second sentence is kind of a contridiction to the first, but if you understand what I'm saying then you'll get it.

When did you get your flying mount?

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That's a beta shot. There are no player owned flying mounts in VG. Currently there are only NPC mounts that you can rent out and fly for 5 minutes only. There are to many issues with "Chunking" ( Another way of instancing the game world ) in VG in which players would fly over a server chunk in game and their flying mount would go "poof" and they would fall to their death.

BuzWeaver

Vanguard wasn't a flop, it was a debacle. 

CleffyII

They're programmers aren't leet enough to add a temporary value to indicate your on a flying mount, when character information is transferred across chunks.

I don't mind that people where fired or replaced.  The thing thats actually bad is that it isn't the people who are at fault who will be fired.  The people with relative skill will probably go first since they have little bond with the original development team.  This is primarily because they need some positions to fill from people they don't know so when hiring, they get the best person for the job but in the team they become the outsider.  Also the crappy art director will probably stay even though when your making a flop, the leadership should be the first thing to replace.

SWGLover

Sorry, SWG had between 400k to 450k at it's peak - Vanguard will never see those numbers.

Also, SWG is again growing - something you can't say about Vanguard.

 

Nice try though!    

gnomexxx

How much is the Station Pass right now?

Kaynos1972

Originally posted by gnomexxx

How much is the Station Pass right now?

Only 30$ per month !

JennysMind

Originally posted by gnomexxx

How much is the Station Pass right now?

$29.99/month



 You can go to IGN to see videos of the games. Some of them have video reviews before you buy.

Orthelian

Originally posted by Netspook

Originally posted by pb1285n

Originally posted by Heltern

It is official it is a flop. The design team lost a ton of employees who were fired and now have a staff of only 50. The game is so empty the 40+ levels are waiting 4+ hours for groups in a forced grouping game on all of 9 servers. It is really pathetic that someone was dumb enough to make a niche game for a group of players this small and spend $30 million.

Yay people lost their job and I'm happy about it because it made me right! HOORAY!!

I'm really curious how your train of thought brought you to such a horrible conclusion. You really need help.

If you can't handle other ppls' opinions, go troll somewhere else. Personal attacks on him just because you disagree, is pathetic.

Just realise that Heltern was doing the same damned thing. The only difference is that you agree with him. Which is fine, but mind your double-standards.

 

Originally posted by Netspook
I couldn't care less about those ppl who lost their jobs. If they didn't realize they were on a sinking ship, then it's their own faults. Everyone else knew, and these ppl were in the middle of it. Besides, why should I care when 50-100 ppl lose their jobs on the other side of the planet? The qualified ones will find new jobs. Maybe not those whos only qualification was being a brother/sister/whatever of someone in charge there. Yeah, Sigil is known for that too...

Erm, I find it difficult to begrudge people for loving their project and lacking the inhuman detachment to abandon something they believe in because an inherently uninterested group of people expressed disinterest. Too many treat these games and their developers like sports fans treat their rival teams.

I don't think poorly of people who dislike the art I like, be it a band, a film, a novel, a game... yet I constantly see people taking flak simply for liking Vanguard or having a bit of human decency in defending the team behind it, and that boggles my mind. It definitely takes a certain personality type....

I am not a fan of Blizzard's products, but like Hell would I celebrate if Blizzard somehow went under or World of WarCraft was somehow acquired by, say, Microsoft, and the subsequent changes caused players to abandoned ship. No more than I would have celebrated the Titanic sinking. Damn that Edward Smith! What a blowhard. Ah, well. It was a stupid, elitist ship, anyway, right?

Netspook

Titanic? Comparing 1500 ppl losing their lives, to 50-100 ppl losing their jobs?

You're right, it does take a certain personality type...

PerryPanther

Originally posted by Samuraisword

Originally posted by kimmar

Is SOE planning on lowering their Station Pass price back down to what it used to be, since Vanguard's numbers turned out so bad?



I remember them saying they were raising it because of the addition of Vanguard to the lineup.  But, since most people don't like it, it would only seem fair to lower the price back to where it was.  I mean, if no one is playing it, then isn't it sort of not really in the lineup?

Most SOE games suck which is supported by low subscription numbers. WoW crushes all SOE games combined. SOE isn't  going to lower their rates, but the good news is that it doesn't matter unless you are foolish enough to play their games.

Well sorry to tell this guy who wrote the quote above i admit most of soe games are bad except 1 ....eq 2 anytime of the day is better than what is out there except in game play only lotr ranks up there ....... wow as even on here is not on the top list wow days are going down and when age of conan and warhammer come out wow will be hurting but i bet eq 2 will stay the same. it's called eq 2 is a mature community to where wow is a kids game and where there is a new game kids move plan and simple!