once again.. ITS a MMORPG .. wich meens you play it online.. wich allso meens you need a Internet connection.. who says they wont chose to publish it themself? .. and its not like that will be a hard task to do!
eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by qazqaz123
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Have they even got a publisher yet?
once again.. ITS a MMORPG .. wich meens you play it online.. wich allso meens you need a Internet connection.. who says they wont chose to publish it themself? .. and its not like that will be a hard task to do!
eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
Thing I have a problem with is if they decide to publish the game themselves then I doubt they will have much finance for advertsing. Whether the game is good or not a good advertsing campaign can make or break the game. They don't show off what they have done so far at places like E3 shows. Thats why the only hype you will find is on the offical forums and few others such as Warcry and here. Companies that were small to begin with like Jagex for example started their game as a hobby, DFO has been in production for several years and is made with some sort of business model in mind at a higher end. Publishing with financial backing from a proper company can increse the awareness tenfold. The fact that the game has been in development for so long makes me skeptical they will have the funds to properly push the game on and before its release to the proper target audience. Word of mouth can only go so far...
once again.. ITS a MMORPG .. wich meens you play it online.. wich allso meens you need a Internet connection.. who says they wont chose to publish it themself? .. and its not like that will be a hard task to do!
eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
Thing I have a problem with is if they decide to publish the game themselves then I doubt they will have much finance for advertsing. Whether the game is good or not a good advertsing campaign can make or break the game. They don't show off what they have done so far at places like E3 shows. Thats why the only hype you will find is on the offical forums and few others such as Warcry and here. Companies that were small to begin with like Jagex for example started their game as a hobby, DFO has been in production for several years and is made with some sort of business model in mind at a higher end. Publishing with financial backing from a proper company can increse the awareness tenfold. The fact that the game has been in development for so long makes me skeptical they will have the funds to properly push the game on and before its release to the proper target audience. Word of mouth can only go so far...
Maybe you just dont know so I will inform without flaming.
The "proper company" is themselves. They dont need financial backing because they are self funded. And not self funded like we need money from your prebeta purchases, but self funded like "we are fine, stfu".
They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just dont want to because obviously established publicity would help. But they aren't willing to sell it to SOE either and proper screw themeselves and their customers.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by undiesusa
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by qazqaz123
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Have they even got a publisher yet?
once again.. ITS a MMORPG .. wich meens you play it online.. wich allso meens you need a Internet connection.. who says they wont chose to publish it themself? .. and its not like that will be a hard task to do!
eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
Thing I have a problem with is if they decide to publish the game themselves then I doubt they will have much finance for advertsing. Whether the game is good or not a good advertsing campaign can make or break the game. They don't show off what they have done so far at places like E3 shows. Thats why the only hype you will find is on the offical forums and few others such as Warcry and here. Companies that were small to begin with like Jagex for example started their game as a hobby, DFO has been in production for several years and is made with some sort of business model in mind at a higher end. Publishing with financial backing from a proper company can increse the awareness tenfold. The fact that the game has been in development for so long makes me skeptical they will have the funds to properly push the game on and before its release to the proper target audience. Word of mouth can only go so far...
Maybe you just dont know so I will inform without flaming.
The "proper company" is themselves. They dont need financial backing because they are self funded. And not self funded like we need money from your prebeta purchases, but self funded like "we are fine, stfu".
They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just dont want to because obviously established publicity would help. But they aren't willing to sell it to SOE either and proper screw themeselves and their customers.
Good for you without rising to flame, I didn't realise there was a need to.
I know all about Adventurine. I also know that they are self funded and "have their fingers in other pies" so to speak.
The bit where you say " They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just want to because obviously established publicity would help." doesn't really make sense. I didn't mention SoE here. The point i'm trying to make is that such little is known of the game over the years. Don't you think you would be out there promoting "your baby" a bit more. Having come from a marketing background personally I find it a very negative aspect to a potentially good product. There are previews you find in game magazines and at exhibitions a year before release with other games, how come so silent when it comes to Darkfall? Thats why I ask have they found a publisher yet? If they are to publish the game themselves i'm skeptical to their ability to properly market and advertise their product well based on whats been seen so far.
Its not really a date, its more of their aim for a beta. But its nice to have some information regarding beta for a change. They have been updating the site regually lately with new screentshots, lore etc so maybe they will meet that aim.
once again.. ITS a MMORPG .. wich meens you play it online.. wich allso meens you need a Internet connection.. who says they wont chose to publish it themself? .. and its not like that will be a hard task to do!
eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
Thing I have a problem with is if they decide to publish the game themselves then I doubt they will have much finance for advertsing. Whether the game is good or not a good advertsing campaign can make or break the game. They don't show off what they have done so far at places like E3 shows. Thats why the only hype you will find is on the offical forums and few others such as Warcry and here. Companies that were small to begin with like Jagex for example started their game as a hobby, DFO has been in production for several years and is made with some sort of business model in mind at a higher end. Publishing with financial backing from a proper company can increse the awareness tenfold. The fact that the game has been in development for so long makes me skeptical they will have the funds to properly push the game on and before its release to the proper target audience. Word of mouth can only go so far...
Maybe you just dont know so I will inform without flaming.
The "proper company" is themselves. They dont need financial backing because they are self funded. And not self funded like we need money from your prebeta purchases, but self funded like "we are fine, stfu".
They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just dont want to because obviously established publicity would help. But they aren't willing to sell it to SOE either and proper screw themeselves and their customers.
Good for you without rising to flame, I didn't realise there was a need to.
I know all about Adventurine. I also know that they are self funded and "have their fingers in other pies" so to speak.
The bit where you say " They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just want to because obviously established publicity would help." doesn't really make sense. I didn't mention SoE here. The point i'm trying to make is that such little is known of the game over the years. Don't you think you would be out there promoting "your baby" a bit more. Having come from a marketing background personally I find it a very negative aspect to a potentially good product. There are previews you find in game magazines and at exhibitions a year before release with other games, how come so silent when it comes to Darkfall? Thats why I ask have they found a publisher yet? If they are to publish the game themselves i'm skeptical to their ability to properly market and advertise their product well based on whats been seen so far.
They have said repeatadly they are not willing to promote the game until it is in a finished state, so that they do not repeat mistakes like VG and DnL and Wish etc etc ad nauseum.
Didn't see much in the way of substance in this article...just vague references to in house targets...... could also mean that they will start internal beta testing among staff /friends ....as per the usual practice.....
I wouldn't get your hopes up of joining the beta any time soon......
and it still hasn't shipped...so its vaporware till it does....
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AmazingAvery ! if you has been monotoring this game for years, and if you have marketing background.. you should allso had noticed DARKFALL HAS BEEN ON E3 and so on.
Insteat of giving you a link ill give you a hint.. "search for Darkfall E3"
When you read those articles.. come back and say your things about.. no matter what. they wont try to competete with Blizzard and WOW (you can read this alot of places aswell)
Marketing a online game wich is going to played on the INTERNET by the more HARDCORE PVP fan group out there.. is CHEAPER on the internet.. than marketing it with posters in every town worldwide!
Furthermore they dont want a big hype about a game before its close to READY for a release.. and theres alot of exambles why they dont want that. JUST GO READ !
Furthermore there is plenty of game events the whole year different places in the world. The word will go fast.. and tbh. if they come out with a good beta. Most of their customers will not be from the POSTERS IN A RANDOM TOWN but from forums on the internet.. just like this one!
AmazingAvery ! if you has been monotoring this game for years, and if you have marketing background.. you should allso had noticed DARKFALL HAS BEEN ON E3 and so on.
Insteat of giving you a link ill give you a hint.. "search for Darkfall E3"
When you read those articles.. come back and say your things about.. no matter what. they wont try to competete with Blizzard and WOW (you can read this alot of places aswell)
Marketing a online game wich is going to played on the INTERNET by the more HARDCORE PVP fan group out there.. is CHEAPER on the internet.. than marketing it with posters in every town worldwide!
Furthermore they dont want a big hype about a game before its close to READY for a release.. and theres alot of exambles why they dont want that. JUST GO READ !
Furthermore there is plenty of game events the whole year different places in the world. The word will go fast.. and tbh. if they come out with a good beta. Most of their customers will not be from the POSTERS IN A RANDOM TOWN but from forums on the internet.. just like this one!
I have said this last year, and I am saying it again. Whatever rumours you hear, beta will not begin this year. It will be 2008 Q1 when they start open beta.
This isn't a rumor its their lead producer saying that they are looking at a summer 2007 beta, i believe its a closed beta release.
In fact the only other date they gave was back in 2003 and it was a projected beta date NOT a release date. Any other dates anyone hears are rumors, and people speculating, just go by what the devs actually say, not what some guy who doesn't even work for the company thinks.
The darkfall devs have never promised anything, If they felt like it they could leave everyone in the dark till they have a closed beta ready, the fact they bother to tell their community anything is a testimant to them, considering how everyone seems to think these guys owe them something lol
This is not meant as a flame, but as a serious question - how can ya'll have faith that the game will even be released when it's in production for over five years with no sign of beta and scant news from the dev's?
When an independant/small company is tackling something as complicated as a MMORPG ( and self finacing, to boot ), the odds are poor that the game will see the light of day. Making a MMORPG is a big, expensive, undertaking and when I read the old dev posts on the different sites, nothing struck me as promising except the overall concept of the game ( which is ground breaking...but that doesn't make for a game that is on the shelves ).
So is it just some "faith" thing, like religion ( just using the comparison as people from a different religion tend not to understand the faith of another religion. Not meant to offend anyone, please don't take it that way! ) ?
Or is there some hard evidence that the game development is making strides towards actual production?
Regardless,it's nice to know that the Darkfall developers are continually hard at work making this (potentially) revolutionary game good enough on beta to impress straight away.
Whenever the beta comes out,chances are it will be an impressive one. I can only hope that the beta is this summer,but I know that delays have happened in the past; nevertheless,a source for optimism.
Geez and lol at people and how little they know, the beta in 2003 was just a bloody clan beta sign up, it wasn't the date for it. After that this is the first time they have set any kind of date for beta, the game went into serious production in 2003 beta, so its on its 4th year now, which is still short of what it took blizzards 200 staff to make WoW, a much inferior game i might add.
This is not meant as a flame, but as a serious question - how can ya'll have faith that the game will even be released when it's in production for over five years with no sign of beta and scant news from the dev's?
So is it just some "faith" thing, like religion ( just using the comparison as people from a different religion tend not to understand the faith of another religion. Not meant to offend anyone, please don't take it that way! ) ? Or is there some hard evidence that the game development is making strides towards actual production?
Theres bi monthly updates, theres video, they have been to e3, people have played it, I wouldn't say thats "scant".
Go look at the screenshot evolution for hard evidence, go actually read the forums.
Originally posted by AmazingAvery There are previews you find in game magazines and at exhibitions a year before release with other games, how come so silent when it comes to Darkfall? Thats why I ask have they found a publisher yet? If they are to publish the game themselves i'm skeptical to their ability to properly market and advertise their product well based on whats been seen so far.
You've heard of the game. You're here discussing the potential of closed beta this summer. You're also discussing whether or not they have a publisher. Where is the lack of information? Where is the lack of advertisement? I find this whole discussion silly and pointless. I could see some concern if the game had come out 2 years ago and you were just now hearing about it, but seriously. People are jumping all over the tiniest bit of info they can find about this game.
Originally posted by daarco And why wouldent we jump at any news? We want this game, or did i miss something. Either you want this game and wait for it, or you dont care...as i do with Warhammer online What i dont get is those people that is neither one.....
Nothing wrong with it, as I'm doing it too, just pointing out how silly it is to complain about lack of advertisement when we rabidly hunt down tiny bits of info like in the OP.
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Good news all around!
And to everyone that said Darkfall is vaporware:
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eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
Thing I have a problem with is if they decide to publish the game themselves then I doubt they will have much finance for advertsing. Whether the game is good or not a good advertsing campaign can make or break the game. They don't show off what they have done so far at places like E3 shows. Thats why the only hype you will find is on the offical forums and few others such as Warcry and here. Companies that were small to begin with like Jagex for example started their game as a hobby, DFO has been in production for several years and is made with some sort of business model in mind at a higher end. Publishing with financial backing from a proper company can increse the awareness tenfold. The fact that the game has been in development for so long makes me skeptical they will have the funds to properly push the game on and before its release to the proper target audience. Word of mouth can only go so far...
eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
Thing I have a problem with is if they decide to publish the game themselves then I doubt they will have much finance for advertsing. Whether the game is good or not a good advertsing campaign can make or break the game. They don't show off what they have done so far at places like E3 shows. Thats why the only hype you will find is on the offical forums and few others such as Warcry and here. Companies that were small to begin with like Jagex for example started their game as a hobby, DFO has been in production for several years and is made with some sort of business model in mind at a higher end. Publishing with financial backing from a proper company can increse the awareness tenfold. The fact that the game has been in development for so long makes me skeptical they will have the funds to properly push the game on and before its release to the proper target audience. Word of mouth can only go so far...
Maybe you just dont know so I will inform without flaming.
The "proper company" is themselves. They dont need financial backing because they are self funded. And not self funded like we need money from your prebeta purchases, but self funded like "we are fine, stfu".
They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just dont want to because obviously established publicity would help. But they aren't willing to sell it to SOE either and proper screw themeselves and their customers.
eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
Thing I have a problem with is if they decide to publish the game themselves then I doubt they will have much finance for advertsing. Whether the game is good or not a good advertsing campaign can make or break the game. They don't show off what they have done so far at places like E3 shows. Thats why the only hype you will find is on the offical forums and few others such as Warcry and here. Companies that were small to begin with like Jagex for example started their game as a hobby, DFO has been in production for several years and is made with some sort of business model in mind at a higher end. Publishing with financial backing from a proper company can increse the awareness tenfold. The fact that the game has been in development for so long makes me skeptical they will have the funds to properly push the game on and before its release to the proper target audience. Word of mouth can only go so far...
Maybe you just dont know so I will inform without flaming.
The "proper company" is themselves. They dont need financial backing because they are self funded. And not self funded like we need money from your prebeta purchases, but self funded like "we are fine, stfu".
They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just dont want to because obviously established publicity would help. But they aren't willing to sell it to SOE either and proper screw themeselves and their customers.
Good for you without rising to flame, I didn't realise there was a need to.
I know all about Adventurine. I also know that they are self funded and "have their fingers in other pies" so to speak.
The bit where you say " They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just want to because obviously established publicity would help." doesn't really make sense. I didn't mention SoE here. The point i'm trying to make is that such little is known of the game over the years. Don't you think you would be out there promoting "your baby" a bit more. Having come from a marketing background personally I find it a very negative aspect to a potentially good product. There are previews you find in game magazines and at exhibitions a year before release with other games, how come so silent when it comes to Darkfall? Thats why I ask have they found a publisher yet? If they are to publish the game themselves i'm skeptical to their ability to properly market and advertise their product well based on whats been seen so far.
Its not really a date, its more of their aim for a beta. But its nice to have some information regarding beta for a change. They have been updating the site regually lately with new screentshots, lore etc so maybe they will meet that aim.
Except their name is Aventurine.
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eventualy they can gain more than loose on doing it them self.. exambles .. look at ncsoft.. ! why share you proffit with a outside publisher such as sony microsoft etc. when you can get more your self?
then again.. i got a hard time beliveing it will actualy stat the beta this summer.. but i do hope
Thing I have a problem with is if they decide to publish the game themselves then I doubt they will have much finance for advertsing. Whether the game is good or not a good advertsing campaign can make or break the game. They don't show off what they have done so far at places like E3 shows. Thats why the only hype you will find is on the offical forums and few others such as Warcry and here. Companies that were small to begin with like Jagex for example started their game as a hobby, DFO has been in production for several years and is made with some sort of business model in mind at a higher end. Publishing with financial backing from a proper company can increse the awareness tenfold. The fact that the game has been in development for so long makes me skeptical they will have the funds to properly push the game on and before its release to the proper target audience. Word of mouth can only go so far...
Maybe you just dont know so I will inform without flaming.
The "proper company" is themselves. They dont need financial backing because they are self funded. And not self funded like we need money from your prebeta purchases, but self funded like "we are fine, stfu".
They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just dont want to because obviously established publicity would help. But they aren't willing to sell it to SOE either and proper screw themeselves and their customers.
Good for you without rising to flame, I didn't realise there was a need to.
I know all about Adventurine. I also know that they are self funded and "have their fingers in other pies" so to speak.
The bit where you say " They aren't really that small, they are prepared to self publish, they just want to because obviously established publicity would help." doesn't really make sense. I didn't mention SoE here. The point i'm trying to make is that such little is known of the game over the years. Don't you think you would be out there promoting "your baby" a bit more. Having come from a marketing background personally I find it a very negative aspect to a potentially good product. There are previews you find in game magazines and at exhibitions a year before release with other games, how come so silent when it comes to Darkfall? Thats why I ask have they found a publisher yet? If they are to publish the game themselves i'm skeptical to their ability to properly market and advertise their product well based on whats been seen so far.
They have said repeatadly they are not willing to promote the game until it is in a finished state, so that they do not repeat mistakes like VG and DnL and Wish etc etc ad nauseum.
No, Darkfall beta was last summer.
No wait, it was summer of 2005, wasn't it?
See where I'm going with this? Darkfall hasn't made a deadline, either published or rumored, in over five years.
I'm not trolling here, I'm just pointing out the facts.......
Ok!
Now when the devs have said they aim for beta summer 2007, people begin to bitch about a publisher?
C´mon, be happy for 5 minutes now
It is really good news. Even if beta doesn happend....
I wouldn't get your hopes up of joining the beta any time soon......
and it still hasn't shipped...so its vaporware till it does....
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AmazingAvery ! if you has been monotoring this game for years, and if you have marketing background.. you should allso had noticed DARKFALL HAS BEEN ON E3 and so on.
Insteat of giving you a link ill give you a hint.. "search for Darkfall E3"
When you read those articles.. come back and say your things about.. no matter what. they wont try to competete with Blizzard and WOW (you can read this alot of places aswell)
Marketing a online game wich is going to played on the INTERNET by the more HARDCORE PVP fan group out there.. is CHEAPER on the internet.. than marketing it with posters in every town worldwide!
Furthermore they dont want a big hype about a game before its close to READY for a release.. and theres alot of exambles why they dont want that. JUST GO READ !
Furthermore there is plenty of game events the whole year different places in the world. The word will go fast.. and tbh. if they come out with a good beta. Most of their customers will not be from the POSTERS IN A RANDOM TOWN but from forums on the internet.. just like this one!
List of SOE lies
I have said this last year, and I am saying it again. Whatever rumours you hear, beta will not begin this year.
It will be 2008 Q1 when they start open beta.
In fact the only other date they gave was back in 2003 and it was a projected beta date NOT a release date. Any other dates anyone hears are rumors, and people speculating, just go by what the devs actually say, not what some guy who doesn't even work for the company thinks.
The darkfall devs have never promised anything, If they felt like it they could leave everyone in the dark till they have a closed beta ready, the fact they bother to tell their community anything is a testimant to them, considering how everyone seems to think these guys owe them something lol
This is not meant as a flame, but as a serious question - how can ya'll have faith that the game will even be released when it's in production for over five years with no sign of beta and scant news from the dev's?
When an independant/small company is tackling something as complicated as a MMORPG ( and self finacing, to boot ), the odds are poor that the game will see the light of day. Making a MMORPG is a big, expensive, undertaking and when I read the old dev posts on the different sites, nothing struck me as promising except the overall concept of the game ( which is ground breaking...but that doesn't make for a game that is on the shelves ).
So is it just some "faith" thing, like religion ( just using the comparison as people from a different religion tend not to understand the faith of another religion. Not meant to offend anyone, please don't take it that way!
) ?
Or is there some hard evidence that the game development is making strides towards actual production?
Regardless,it's nice to know that the Darkfall developers are continually hard at work making this (potentially) revolutionary game good enough on beta to impress straight away.
Whenever the beta comes out,chances are it will be an impressive one. I can only hope that the beta is this summer,but I know that delays have happened in the past; nevertheless,a source for optimism.
Go look at the screenshot evolution for hard evidence, go actually read the forums.
You've heard of the game. You're here discussing the potential of closed beta this summer. You're also discussing whether or not they have a publisher. Where is the lack of information? Where is the lack of advertisement? I find this whole discussion silly and pointless. I could see some concern if the game had come out 2 years ago and you were just now hearing about it, but seriously. People are jumping all over the tiniest bit of info they can find about this game.
And why wouldent we jump at any news?
We want this game, or did i miss something.
Either you want this game and wait for it, or you dont care...as i do with Warhammer online
What i dont get is those people that is neither one.....
Nothing wrong with it, as I'm doing it too, just pointing out how silly it is to complain about lack of advertisement when we rabidly hunt down tiny bits of info like in the OP.