AoC is basically building a new engine and testing its limits.
Almost. It is actually the same engine as Anarchy Online uses, only heavily tweaked and optimized for modern standards. but, considering they built the original and tweaking that into shape could not have been an easy task, I'd give 'em more credit than if they did create a new one from scratch.
the players that are pulling for WAR have it somewhat easy with facts.The engine(gamebryo2.2)it will use is in 20 other games at least and not much more than a graphical upgrade over the 1.5 version from daoc.AoC is basically building a new engine and testing its limits.
WAR is all public property and 2 sides.AoC has Guild keeps in pvp and there can be alot of factions alliances and politics involved.WAR has a stick n click combat,AoC is still testing how much further you can do than that with todays tech,probably more latteral advancement than linear imo.
basically, AoC is the first 3rd gen mmorpg and WAR is WoW2.
basically, or WoW: PvP edition
not that thats nessesarily a bad thing, people like WoW
basically, AoC is the first 3rd gen mmorpg and WAR is WoW2.
I think that's actually a fair assesment, although that doesn't mean that either will be successful or fail.No, it is not a fair assessment, if anything you could call WAR DAoC 2, and even that's not all that accurate.? WAR is not DAoC2 it is a WOW clone. or at least striving to be. War is set up almost just like WOW. AOC is trying to be the game that SWG was originally meant to be. Hopfully they'll pull it off.
basically, AoC is the first 3rd gen mmorpg and WAR is WoW2.
I think that's actually a fair assesment, although that doesn't mean that either will be successful or fail.No, it is not a fair assessment, if anything you could call WAR DAoC 2, and even that's not all that accurate.? WAR is not DAoC2 it is a WOW clone. or at least striving to be.
basically, AoC is the first 3rd gen mmorpg and WAR is WoW2.
I think that's actually a fair assesment, although that doesn't mean that either will be successful or fail.No, it is not a fair assessment, if anything you could call WAR DAoC 2, and even that's not all that accurate.? WAR is not DAoC2 it is a WOW clone. or at least striving to be.
Please enlighten me, how is WAR a WoW clone.
Its not, it is however striving to appeal to the same audience, and since both of them have an extremely similar lore base, it becomes... difficult to tell the difference.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
basically, AoC is the first 3rd gen mmorpg and WAR is WoW2.
I think that's actually a fair assesment, although that doesn't mean that either will be successful or fail.No, it is not a fair assessment, if anything you could call WAR DAoC 2, and even that's not all that accurate.? WAR is not DAoC2 it is a WOW clone. or at least striving to be.
Please enlighten me, how is WAR a WoW clone.It's an item centric, quest driven game. Based upon 2 factions (good and evil), with three races each where the 4 classes have narrowally defined roles and abilities. They have similar game play whithch is an auto attack with a few abilities set on rechargers and I will bet they will have similar advancement systems that basically just redress the same abilities over and over every 10 levels. WAR is WOW with smilar lore. I don't say that to be negative, but it's not a next generation game, it brings nothing new to the industry.
basically, AoC is the first 3rd gen mmorpg and WAR is WoW2.
I think that's actually a fair assesment, although that doesn't mean that either will be successful or fail.No, it is not a fair assessment, if anything you could call WAR DAoC 2, and even that's not all that accurate.? WAR is not DAoC2 it is a WOW clone. or at least striving to be.
Please enlighten me, how is WAR a WoW clone.It's an item centric, quest driven game. Based upon 2 factions (good and evil), with three classes each that have narrowally defined roles and abilities. They have similar game play whithch is an auto attack with a few abilities set on rechargers and I will bet they will have similar advancement systems that basically just redress the same abilities over and over every 10 levels. WAR is WOW with different lore.
ok so what you're saying is....
WoW invented the good and evil conflict?
and WoW is the first game to have auto attack + abilities on timers?
WAR is not an item centric game, it's an RvR centric game. There are actually 4 basic classes in both game, along with almost all other games (ranged DPS, melee DPS, tank, healer), and although WAR hasn't changed their roles too much (aside from healers), these 4 archetypes have been around for a hell of a long time, and will continue to be around.
basically, AoC is the first 3rd gen mmorpg and WAR is WoW2.
I think that's actually a fair assesment, although that doesn't mean that either will be successful or fail.No, it is not a fair assessment, if anything you could call WAR DAoC 2, and even that's not all that accurate.? WAR is not DAoC2 it is a WOW clone. or at least striving to be.
Please enlighten me, how is WAR a WoW clone.It's an item centric, quest driven game. Based upon 2 factions (good and evil), with three classes each that have narrowally defined roles and abilities. They have similar game play whithch is an auto attack with a few abilities set on rechargers and I will bet they will have similar advancement systems that basically just redress the same abilities over and over every 10 levels. WAR is WOW with different lore.
ok so what you're saying is....
WoW invented the good and evil conflict?
and WoW is the first game to have auto attack + abilities on timers?
WAR is not an item centric game, it's an RvR centric game. There are actually 4 basic classes in both game, along with almost all other games (ranged DPS, melee DPS, tank, healer), and although WAR hasn't changed their roles too much (aside from healers), these 4 archetypes have been around for a hell of a long time, and will continue to be around.I'm not saying that WOW created these cliche' or complaing that WOW/WAR used them. However there are many other cliche' beyond these and many different ways to apply theme. WAR has chosen to set its self up almost just like WOW.
I dont know why people are drawing conclusions on what game will be better. I happen to like Warhammer Lore more than Conan lore, but I doubt either of the companies have shown all of their cards yet. Do you really think they want people to know EVERYTHING about the game before its released? I promise you their are going to be some MAJOR surprises on both sides of the battle before either of these games are released.
I meant 4 million from an overall marketing standpoint,and what compromises would be made to attract such masses.not server load .I prefere more niche type games than mass market MMO'S.
by most standards Daoc was a niche mmo.I never saw more than 110k logged at a time.and that was before mythics expansions took thier toll.
guess it will be war,wow,and lineage two (non-US) as the juggernauts and the rest as the scrapping underdogs.
DAoc was released without any hype and no advertizment (almost i saw a few ads when si or toa was released). Not to mentioned it was on the edge of the start of mass mmos.
But i agree it could get 250k max and be the best mmo ever. (SEE there are more fanboys playing mmos then following AoC and even if AoC was the god mmo they would Fanboy it up and stay with their game WAR WoW , TR whatever... ) [PS don't hate im looking toward WAR more than AoC but that doesn't mean that WAR is better see the games are still being made].
It clear that there is a lot unknow about thsi game and confused... i seen it said (aoc reps) that player made cities are not the ones you pvp with ... yet see people posting that you do with them, all the time ...
Still the game offers a lot that others have not so its worth a try at the very least.
Also
The feeling of WAR will be more different from WoW than AOC... Becuase combat doesn't make this as much as what you do... WAR will be a totaly differnet experience more than DAOC. While i think they softballed part of the PVP w/ instances ... REMEMBER YOU CAN LVL BY PVPING you can farm by pvping you can progress pvping. That in itself means a ton more then being able to spam the num keys to attack in different ways (While i think this is great, its not as good for the total experience of the game).
WAR is the first mmorpg to have PVP REALLY PART of the game not just an additional feature ... pvp in WAR is WAR (its the objective and means).
The only reason i say this is becaus eof the WAR = anything posts ...
This is the major thing pulling me to WAR over AOC (but what could be more important), the other is simple there caster classes (if you say aoc has these they do ... kinda but 2/3 buff their own melee abilities. that caand the sheer number of classes .. im a altaholic- this is minor in my reason of liking WAR tho.)
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Yes,you definately should stay with WAR,it sounds much more suited to you,you should fit in well there.NEXT...............
Perfect example of this thread ... this post was about AOC if some troll inserts WAr or WoW or DAOC or LotRO or anything. Address them what does that have to do with misconception of AOC etc. Instead you and a few others reply WAr = WoW2 , WAR = daoc2 etc. So i post a rebuttle ... However, i also address the OP and topic ...
You are the one to inject WAR in a compairsion in this thread. When this happen people replied negitively WAr = this and that AOC = this and that. So don't jerk on me because i comented on some of the name calling.
But i have been following AOC forever and still look forward to it i just doubt it will be my main game now.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
MMORPG has some good articles and interviews, but how some of the people on these forums have come to the conclusions they have I have no idea...
lots of narcotics followed by random posting?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Yes,you definately should stay with WAR,it sounds much more suited to you,you should fit in well there.NEXT...............
Perfect example of this thread ... this post was about AOC if some troll inserts WAr or WoW or DAOC or LotRO or anything. Address them what does that have to do with misconception of AOC etc. Instead you and a few others reply WAr = WoW2 , WAR = daoc2 etc. So i post a rebuttle ... However, i also address the OP and topic ...
You are the one to inject WAR in a compairsion in this thread. When this happen people replied negitively WAr = this and that AOC = this and that. So don't jerk on me because i comented on some of the name calling.
But i have been following AOC forever and still look forward to it i just doubt it will be my main game now.
i hope no games = any other games, that'd make this genre even more dreadfully boring than it already has been for the past decade.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
omg WAR is not DAoC2.The only similarity is the engine.I wish they would have made a DAoC2.Actually I wish Mythic just didn't screw up DAoC so badly with pos expansions.I would still be playing an active MMO while the new ones are being released.
Never said it was daoc2, just said that calling it daoc2 is a lot more accurate then calling it wow2. and DAoC does have classic servers you know.
To be fair it's more like WoW ideas of accesability date raped DAoC, and WAR is the confused offspring. Yes I actually thought that analogy out and I think it's pretty damn good. Because it look just like it's evil evil father (WoW, and yes I'm well aware Warhammer came before Warcraft but that doesn't matter) and share a lot of his traits. On the other hand though, It was raised by DAoC (Mythic more aptly) and has that games values.
OMG, I can't believe I just wrote that, or how well that works. I'm gonna go wash my hands until they bleed.
ED: I'll stay on topic, when you show me a thread that doesn't pull a 90 degree turn from the first post.
Game gets some publicity again, guess what they are back. It would be nice if the misinformed got informed before they spouted, rumour, misinformation and general unsubstantiated negative assumptions..
What fun would that be? Besides its not like they are better than most newspaper reporters. Then again journalists are the stupidest creatures on the face of the earth. So maybe we should have higher standards.
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basically, or WoW: PvP edition
not that thats nessesarily a bad thing, people like WoW
but 3rd gen sounds oo so tasty right now
Please enlighten me, how is WAR a WoW clone.
Please enlighten me, how is WAR a WoW clone.
Its not, it is however striving to appeal to the same audience, and since both of them have an extremely similar lore base, it becomes... difficult to tell the difference.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Please enlighten me, how is WAR a WoW clone.It's an item centric, quest driven game. Based upon 2 factions (good and evil), with three races each where the 4 classes have narrowally defined roles and abilities. They have similar game play whithch is an auto attack with a few abilities set on rechargers and I will bet they will have similar advancement systems that basically just redress the same abilities over and over every 10 levels. WAR is WOW with smilar lore. I don't say that to be negative, but it's not a next generation game, it brings nothing new to the industry.
Please enlighten me, how is WAR a WoW clone.It's an item centric, quest driven game. Based upon 2 factions (good and evil), with three classes each that have narrowally defined roles and abilities. They have similar game play whithch is an auto attack with a few abilities set on rechargers and I will bet they will have similar advancement systems that basically just redress the same abilities over and over every 10 levels. WAR is WOW with different lore.
ok so what you're saying is....
WoW invented the good and evil conflict?
and WoW is the first game to have auto attack + abilities on timers?
WAR is not an item centric game, it's an RvR centric game. There are actually 4 basic classes in both game, along with almost all other games (ranged DPS, melee DPS, tank, healer), and although WAR hasn't changed their roles too much (aside from healers), these 4 archetypes have been around for a hell of a long time, and will continue to be around.
Please enlighten me, how is WAR a WoW clone.It's an item centric, quest driven game. Based upon 2 factions (good and evil), with three classes each that have narrowally defined roles and abilities. They have similar game play whithch is an auto attack with a few abilities set on rechargers and I will bet they will have similar advancement systems that basically just redress the same abilities over and over every 10 levels. WAR is WOW with different lore.
ok so what you're saying is....
WoW invented the good and evil conflict?
and WoW is the first game to have auto attack + abilities on timers?
WAR is not an item centric game, it's an RvR centric game. There are actually 4 basic classes in both game, along with almost all other games (ranged DPS, melee DPS, tank, healer), and although WAR hasn't changed their roles too much (aside from healers), these 4 archetypes have been around for a hell of a long time, and will continue to be around.I'm not saying that WOW created these cliche' or complaing that WOW/WAR used them. However there are many other cliche' beyond these and many different ways to apply theme. WAR has chosen to set its self up almost just like WOW.
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That's all.
P.S. Richard Knaak's AOC series sucks ....big time...really.
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Played: Darkfall, EVE, AoC, Ryzom, Ragnarok Online, GW2, PS2, Secret World, WOW, City Of Heroes/Villains, Champion Online.
Well it is the best of the worst, all the AoC trilogy books blow
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Ok lets settle the WoW v. WAR Arguement:
WAR and WoW bear a lot of similarity, but the Warhammer IP is where Warcraft got its original inspiration.
WAR will likely be WoW 1.5... not far enough ahead to be a true sequel, but different enough to be a vast upgrade.
Also:
THIS IS THE F**KING AOC FORUM, TAKE THAT OFFTOPIC SHIT ELSEWHERE!
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
But i agree it could get 250k max and be the best mmo ever. (SEE there are more fanboys playing mmos then following AoC and even if AoC was the god mmo they would Fanboy it up and stay with their game WAR WoW , TR whatever... ) [PS don't hate im looking toward WAR more than AoC but that doesn't mean that WAR is better see the games are still being made].
It clear that there is a lot unknow about thsi game and confused... i seen it said (aoc reps) that player made cities are not the ones you pvp with ... yet see people posting that you do with them, all the time ...
Still the game offers a lot that others have not so its worth a try at the very least.
Also
The feeling of WAR will be more different from WoW than AOC... Becuase combat doesn't make this as much as what you do... WAR will be a totaly differnet experience more than DAOC. While i think they softballed part of the PVP w/ instances ... REMEMBER YOU CAN LVL BY PVPING you can farm by pvping you can progress pvping. That in itself means a ton more then being able to spam the num keys to attack in different ways (While i think this is great, its not as good for the total experience of the game).
WAR is the first mmorpg to have PVP REALLY PART of the game not just an additional feature ... pvp in WAR is WAR (its the objective and means).
The only reason i say this is becaus eof the WAR = anything posts ...
This is the major thing pulling me to WAR over AOC (but what could be more important), the other is simple there caster classes (if you say aoc has these they do ... kinda but 2/3 buff their own melee abilities. that caand the sheer number of classes .. im a altaholic- this is minor in my reason of liking WAR tho.)
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
You are the one to inject WAR in a compairsion in this thread. When this happen people replied negitively WAr = this and that AOC = this and that. So don't jerk on me because i comented on some of the name calling.
But i have been following AOC forever and still look forward to it i just doubt it will be my main game now.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
You are the one to inject WAR in a compairsion in this thread. When this happen people replied negitively WAr = this and that AOC = this and that. So don't jerk on me because i comented on some of the name calling.
But i have been following AOC forever and still look forward to it i just doubt it will be my main game now.
i hope no games = any other games, that'd make this genre even more dreadfully boring than it already has been for the past decade.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Never said it was daoc2, just said that calling it daoc2 is a lot more accurate then calling it wow2. and DAoC does have classic servers you know.To be fair it's more like WoW ideas of accesability date raped DAoC, and WAR is the confused offspring. Yes I actually thought that analogy out and I think it's pretty damn good. Because it look just like it's evil evil father (WoW, and yes I'm well aware Warhammer came before Warcraft but that doesn't matter) and share a lot of his traits. On the other hand though, It was raised by DAoC (Mythic more aptly) and has that games values.
OMG, I can't believe I just wrote that, or how well that works. I'm gonna go wash my hands until they bleed.
ED: I'll stay on topic, when you show me a thread that doesn't pull a 90 degree turn from the first post.
HAHAHA
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Game gets some publicity again, guess what they are back.
It would be nice if the misinformed got informed before they spouted, rumour, misinformation and general unsubstantiated negative assumptions..
What fun would that be? Besides its not like they are better than most newspaper reporters. Then again journalists are the stupidest creatures on the face of the earth. So maybe we should have higher standards.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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