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Thought I'd give you guys a laugh - This just posted on the official site (not by me, I might add).

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  • irukandjiirukandji Member Posts: 253
    Why is this POS post even in this forum? The garbage threads are supposed to be in the garbage a.k.a. Rumor Room (a.k.a. Romper Room for bored Austin, TX devs).

    "Hurray, finally a game where I can fulfill my lifelong dream of taking emotionally dead women and finding the most financially viable means to exploit their bodies with the ultimate goal of making them Hugh Hefner's personal furniture."

  • kain-iiikain-iii Member Posts: 146

    If this were true it definitly would be a smart thing to do.

    Revert back to the point when SWG was at the height of popularity. Fix bugs and polish the game then listen to the players and move on from there.

    I would love for that to be true.

     

  • haxxjoohaxxjoo Member Posts: 924
    This isn't going to contribute much to this thread but I believe soe when they say its impossible for them to do it.
  • 0k210k21 Member Posts: 866
    Then how come a small dev team has managed to create the SWG Pre-cu emu then? Bloody ridiculous....

    Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.

  • jrgambitjrgambit Member Posts: 157
    A.  I will believe it when I see it.



    B.  If Smed is in charge I still wouldn't play it.

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    WOW - Retired
    Playing WAR

  • ArcheusCrossArcheusCross Member Posts: 793
    Originally posted by haxxjoo

    This isn't going to contribute much to this thread but I believe soe when they say its impossible for them to do it.
    Don't be gullible man, its smoke and mirrors. Theres a whole dev team of "technically" less experienced fans bringing back pre-cu via an emu. To say that a professional company like SoE can't do it when the code is on their own disks and another less experienced group doing it out there, is them calling us stupid. Enough said.

    "Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria

    "The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci

  • SuvrocSuvroc Member Posts: 2,383

    Ok, so here's the thing...

    I swore I read somewhere this morning that SOE was making some big announcements today. Secondly, the housing demolition has been postponed for approximately another week, which would bring us right up to one week before the 26th.

    June 26th is the 4th anniversary of SWG (well, really the 27th because of that disaster of a launch). I'm not one to read too much into all of this but could it be possible that these 3 things are coinciding for a reason?

  • haxxjoohaxxjoo Member Posts: 924
    Originally posted by ArcheusCross

    Originally posted by haxxjoo

    This isn't going to contribute much to this thread but I believe soe when they say its impossible for them to do it.
    Don't be gullible man, its smoke and mirrors. Theres a whole dev team of "technically" less experienced fans bringing back pre-cu via an emu. To say that a professional company like SoE can't do it when the code is on their own disks and another less experienced group doing it out there, is them calling us stupid. Enough said.



    The EMU isn't "fully" functional yet and is taking a very, very long time.   Don't be so cute about the EMU.  It is no where NEAR the professional product and expectations of swg.  It isn't done and your talking about a team of developers who have spent over 1 year on the reverse engineering process and still are not done.  Not that I don't respect the work and effort and hope to play on an EMU server.  I am just saying.

    The entire dicussion on why I believe them when they say they cannot do it from a business stand point is well documented on this site in the numerous topics on this issue.  It isn't me eating there balgana.  It would be a huge reversal for them to bring back pre-cu coding to the servers.  I have read enough topics and went through this topic when Jeff Freeman was posting on this site.  I believe them when they say it isn't an economically viable game.  Do I believe its not "technically" possible to bring it back.  Anything is technically possible.  Rollback servers at this stage is not an option.  Meaning your going to have to reconvert everything to Pre-CU.  Apparently using TC isn't an option due to licensing restraints.  Massively trying to covert the game back is the only choice.  Who the hell would do that?  They already tried massively re-engineering the game once.  It failed miserably.  They will continue bring back old pieces of the game.  That is the best your going to get from SOE.  For Pre-CU the answer is clearly the independant emu team or SOE being allowed by LA a free star wars mmo license so they can push out a sunset Pre-CU server on TC.

  • DakkideDakkide Member Posts: 18
    Originally posted by haxxjoo

    This isn't going to contribute much to this thread but I believe soe when they say its impossible for them to do it.



        I would agree with you if it was'nt for the fact that I work for a mortgage banking software company, and we keep Build revisions of our code from 1999. Believe me when I tell you we have had thousands of rev since then. We also keep a backup of the original code.  If they wanted to create Classic servers, they would. 

     

  • GrimReapezGrimReapez Member Posts: 463
    Even if this rumor is fasle, that brings up a question... why wouldn't they do it? are they really serious about waiting another 10 years to see if the NGE will hit 200k+ subscribers?. If I was them I would revert back to around JTL but that's up to them to decide, so whatever happens, happens.

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  • alphajonnyalphajonny Member CommonPosts: 55
    I honestly think the only thing SOE is waiting on is for LA to say yes.  Of course,  LA likes the NGE so Im thinking they will say no.
  • ArcheusCrossArcheusCross Member Posts: 793
    Originally posted by haxxjoo

    Originally posted by ArcheusCross

    Originally posted by haxxjoo

    This isn't going to contribute much to this thread but I believe soe when they say its impossible for them to do it.
    Don't be gullible man, its smoke and mirrors. Theres a whole dev team of "technically" less experienced fans bringing back pre-cu via an emu. To say that a professional company like SoE can't do it when the code is on their own disks and another less experienced group doing it out there, is them calling us stupid. Enough said.

    The entire dicussion on why I believe them when they say they cannot do it from a business stand point is well documented on this site in the numerous topics on this issue.  It isn't me eating there balgana.  It would be a huge reversal for them to bring back pre-cu coding to the servers.  I have read enough topics and went through this topic when Jeff Freeman was posting on this site.  I believe them when they say it isn't an economically viable game.  Do I believe its not "technically" possible to bring it back.  Anything is technically possible.  Rollback servers at this stage is not an option.  Meaning your going to have to reconvert everything to Pre-CU.  Apparently using TC isn't an option due to licensing restraints.  Massively trying to covert the game back is the only choice.  Who the hell would do that?  They already tried massively re-engineering the game once.  It failed miserably.  They will continue bring back old pieces of the game.  That is the best your going to get from SOE.  For Pre-CU the answer is clearly the independant emu team or SOE being allowed by LA a free star wars mmo license so they can push out a sunset Pre-CU server on TC.



    Fair enough on the emu. But what about backups? Im sure SoE has backups somewhere. Every gaming company has them. It would be a complete idiotic thing for them not to have backups. Rule one on being a tech in any ITish position: always have backups.



    It may be a huge reversal in what they are doing, but isn't that the point? They have acknowledged that the NGE was a bust and have even taken blame. The next logical step to make amends to the community would to be to alter it back before they started ignoring us: pre-cu. Im not much of a numbers man, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the numbers they had in the pre-cu far exceeded NGE. This alone would be a reason they should change it back. Rolling back is an option, if they would like to admit it or not.



    The truth of the matter is that they need to ditch the NGE. Its an abomination to what it once was. It was a product of not listening to their customers and trying to get a piece of WoW's pie. If they truly are trying to get vets back and truly starting to listen to the community, they will bend over backwards to bring back what was taken from us.



    Otherwise, its just words that get blown away by the wind.

    "Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria

    "The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci

  • SioBabbleSioBabble Member Posts: 2,803

    They may be slowly "bringing back the game" to some extent to pre-CU, but the thing they won't do, and really can't do from a hubris perspective, is the one thing that they must do to truly return the game to the way it was:

    Ditch classes, and bring back the professions as they were.  Go away from the relatively simple to balance class system, bring back the much harder to balance skill system.

    They won't do this because they refuse to hire the staff to do it.  This is a resource issue, and they want to put this game out there on the cheap to reap the highest margins possible. 

    This is all MBA thinking, not game design thinking.

    I agree that it is "impossible" not from a technical perspective, but from a business perspective.  That's been the issue with SWG all along.  Jedi were put into the game for business reasons initially...marketing insisted on it, marketing insisted on making Jedi easier to unlock and play because all their research told them that Jedi are the key to getting the maximum number of subscribers.

    It's all about the benjamins.

     

    CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.

    Once a denizen of Ahazi

  • odragonodragon Member Posts: 106

    Where is this linked message that the some of the folks in this thread are refering to? I keep getting the this thread has been moved page...

  • SioBabbleSioBabble Member Posts: 2,803
    Originally posted by odragon


    Where is this linked message that the some of the folks in this thread are refering to? I keep getting the this thread has been moved page...



    It's the first post on this thread.

    The original, on the SWG boards, is currently locked in a closet somewhere in the Imperial Prison on Dathomir.

    CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.

    Once a denizen of Ahazi

  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,488

    This is a good one  Is Jeff Freeman really that bored that he's now posting rumors on SOE's boards? Just kidding

    SWG Bloodfin vet
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  • infrared1infrared1 Member UncommonPosts: 440
  • jadan2000jadan2000 Member UncommonPosts: 508
    no matter what version of starwars you play, there was still a major lack of starwars feel.

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  • derektoddderektodd Member Posts: 79

    All I can say is if this rumor turns out to be true, then I will probably have to get divorced cause my wife probably won't put up with my ass. She had to deal with my complete dedication to SWG the first three wonderful years of any game  I had ever played.

    Ahazi here I come. To all my friends I ever knew and hung out with PROST (german word for toasting with a tall liter of Hefe Weizen). To all Pre CU Jedi THE FORCE WAS WITH US. Yes I know people would like to get rid of Jedi, but crap I mastered 25 professions and spent nearly 25 million credits to buy resources.

    If SOE brings back PRE CU I will pay two years in advance just to let them know how much I loved that game!

    WOOT WOOT. Here's to RUMOR Ville

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  • Fraya9Fraya9 Member Posts: 112
    Originally posted by jadan2000

    no matter what version of starwars you play, there was still a major lack of starwars feel.
    And what pray tell is "starwars feel"?



    Short of using the nunchucks on a Wii to simulate a lightsaber battle (whoa.. cool idea) and fighting as the central hero of the story there is no way to realistically *get* that feeling.  You cant be the hero of the universe when 300,000 other people can do the same thing you did.
  • stevesmithjrstevesmithjr Member Posts: 257

    The OP of that thread said something that just made no sense (and was one of the reasons why I called BS on this whole thing).

    He said that they wouldn't be "rolling back", but instead building, again, on top of what they have. Now I know my memory isn't what it used to be, but I do think I remember that: The NGE was built ontop of the CU, which was built ontop of Classic. Now... would that make any sense? Pre-CU ontop of the NGE which is ontop of the CU which is ontop of Pre-CU?

    Classic SWG > CUNGE

  • Fraya9Fraya9 Member Posts: 112
    Originally posted by stevesmithjr


    The OP of that thread said something that just made no sense (and was one of the reasons why I called BS on this whole thing).
    He said that they wouldn't be "rolling back", but instead building, again, on top of what they have. Now I know my memory isn't what it used to be, but I do think I remember that: The NGE was built ontop of the CU, which was built ontop of Classic. Now... would that make any sense? Pre-CU ontop of the NGE which is ontop of the CU which is ontop of Pre-CU?
    Makes sense to me and is what I thought would happen.. the only way to go back to pre-cu is to go forward in reverse so to speak.. to undo what they did by calling the changes "improvements" and making them look different but function the same as the old features they removed.



    SOE will never do a real rollback because then they would have to admit that they wasted a ton of money on a downgrade and the upper managment would be looking for new jobs (they need to make it look like progress and blame the mass exodus on WoW  to keep their bosses from blaming them).. no they need to spin pre-cu as an upgrade to the NGE.. they need to mask it as something new rather than a reversion to something old.
  • iceman00iceman00 Member Posts: 1,363

    Highly doubtful.....

    All I will say.  However, the more I think about it, I wonder:

    Knowing what SOE knows now (i.e. how much a mistake the NGE was for whatever reason) if LA was willing to go along with the Pre-CU or some other version, if they'd do it.  Of course, this is PURELY THEORETICAL.  I don't think we're seeing a new SW mmo, rollback, whatever.

    But I guess it's interesting speculation.

  • SioBabbleSioBabble Member Posts: 2,803
    Originally posted by Fraya9

    SOE will never do a real rollback because then they would have to admit that they wasted a ton of money on a downgrade and the upper managment would be looking for new jobs (they need to make it look like progress and blame the mass exodus on WoW  to keep their bosses from blaming them).. no they need to spin pre-cu as an upgrade to the NGE.. they need to mask it as something new rather than a reversion to something old.



    Well, it's not like they haven't just chucked all sorts of money into the CU version of Trials of Obi-Wan and then tossed a healthy chunk of the content they created out the window, is it?

    Or all the work that went into the CH and SL revamps just prior to the NGE?  Or how about the preliminary work on the Ranger revamp?

    I get the spin pre-CU as an upgrade to the NGE thing, that's pretty much a given in any corporate environment.

    Upper management at SOE and LA need to be looking for new jobs.  They have demonstrated repeatedly that they don't have the chops.

    CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.

    Once a denizen of Ahazi

  • 0over00over0 Member UncommonPosts: 488
    Pre-CU SWG is gone forever. People are just having a laugh yanking your collective chains.

    Apply lemon juice and candle flame here to reveal secret message.

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