Err the difference is that goonswarm are perfectlyhappy to cheat [as in alter the clent] to gain an advantage
The criticism of goonswarm was that they engage in "scamming, griefing, harrassing, or otherwise diminishing the enjoyment of other non-Goonswarm players," not that they at one point modified the client.
and no its not EvE';s purpose for people to ruin others enjoyment. The other stuff sure thing within the game mechanics.
OK, where do you get that? According to the developers and many players, ruining other's enjoyment is core to the play of EVE; running scams, setting up gate camps, suicide-ganking some relatively noobish guy in a hauler, hunting down a corp you don't like until they're forced to disband, etc. While it's reasonable to criticise a goon guild for doing that kind of stuff in a game like WOW that doesn't encourage it, it's simply not a valid criticism in EVE since the ability to do that is a selling point of EVE.
OK well considering the altering of client it is part of there past history and a kind of example of there attitude to eve. And when i say ruining someones enjoyment it is stuff like harrassing new palyers and stuff which they have been known to do in small groups of suicide ships and through droping bait cans.
Originally posted by JADEDRAG0N And when i say ruining someones enjoyment it is stuff like harrassing new palyers and stuff which they have been known to do in small groups of suicide ships and through droping bait cans.
Yes, they're engaging in EVE PVP. If RandomPirateCorp XYZ suicide-ganks someone or drops bait to get someone to do something dumb, then the typical EVE player response is that the victim needs to learn to play. Killing other players in suicide ships is a well-accepted part of the game, just look at any post on the EVE boards where someone lost a hauler in Empire due to a suicide gank. Unless you're willing to say that EVERYONE engaging in that kind of PVP in EVE is bad, it's not reasonable to single out the goons for it.
OK well considering the altering of client
Altering the client is completely and utterly irrelevant to this issue.
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The criticism of goonswarm was that they engage in "scamming, griefing, harrassing, or otherwise diminishing the enjoyment of other non-Goonswarm players," not that they at one point modified the client.
OK, where do you get that? According to the developers and many players, ruining other's enjoyment is core to the play of EVE; running scams, setting up gate camps, suicide-ganking some relatively noobish guy in a hauler, hunting down a corp you don't like until they're forced to disband, etc. While it's reasonable to criticise a goon guild for doing that kind of stuff in a game like WOW that doesn't encourage it, it's simply not a valid criticism in EVE since the ability to do that is a selling point of EVE.
OK well considering the altering of client it is part of there past history and a kind of example of there attitude to eve. And when i say ruining someones enjoyment it is stuff like harrassing new palyers and stuff which they have been known to do in small groups of suicide ships and through droping bait cans.Yes, they're engaging in EVE PVP. If RandomPirateCorp XYZ suicide-ganks someone or drops bait to get someone to do something dumb, then the typical EVE player response is that the victim needs to learn to play. Killing other players in suicide ships is a well-accepted part of the game, just look at any post on the EVE boards where someone lost a hauler in Empire due to a suicide gank. Unless you're willing to say that EVERYONE engaging in that kind of PVP in EVE is bad, it's not reasonable to single out the goons for it.
Altering the client is completely and utterly irrelevant to this issue.