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Dick Cheney Declares, "I am an 'Entity' - And Exempt from the Law!" (Seriously)
truenorthbg
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Cheney's Vice-Presidential Office has exempted itself from presidential (repeat: Presidential) executive order by stating he does not have to comply because he is not "an entity within the executive branch." The order? It is a requirement to share with a committee how much information an Office (such as the Vice-Presidency) classifies and declassifies.
What he is doing is saying he is above the Law, above the Constitution, and even above the Presidency. Yes, that bad.
Read here: weblog.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/afb/archives/012110.html
Update on how Dick Cheney's Office did not comply and BLOCKED an inspection:
www.torontodailynews.com/index.php/WorldNews/2007062202dick-cheneys-office
What he is doing is saying he is above the Law, above the Constitution, and even above the Presidency. Yes, that bad.
Read here: weblog.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/afb/archives/012110.html
Update on how Dick Cheney's Office did not comply and BLOCKED an inspection:
www.torontodailynews.com/index.php/WorldNews/2007062202dick-cheneys-office
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
Comments
Only reason he wouldn't comply is because he's hidding something. At least that's the way I see it.
Isn't this the guy that had connections to a company that was partaking in some sort of illigal activety?
Is this not the same guy that also shot another man while out hunting?
Aren't these things criminals do?
Wish Darkfall would release.
I checked those links for that quote and it wasn't there.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
"There's no star system Slave I can't reach, and there's no planet I can't find. There's nowhere in the Galaxy for you to run. Might as well give up now."
Boba Fett
Highlights (directly from CNN):
• Agency head says Dick Cheney's office contends it's exempt from oversight order
• Vice president's office tried to get oversight agency abolished, Democrat says
• Vice president's office criticized for secrecy before
Update: www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/22/cheney.documents/
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
Oh well if a random democrat points out something that Cheney does then it MUST be horrible!!
Look...every office of every presidency has been criticized for one thing or another. Until you prove to me that they broke a law, or did something unethical that is without great precident (meaning other presidents have done the same thing) in Washington DC, then I don't care.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
The oversight committee is the one he has to report to. The President of the United States reports to that committee so that citizens, like you and me, have people in government to ensure that what is "classified" does not violate the law.
Dick Cheney is not denying or admitting he broke the law. Instead, he is saying he is exempt (above) the law.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
That's what they're counting on.
Article II
Section 1 - The Executive Branch
"The executive Power shall be vested with the President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the term of for years, and together with the Vice President chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:"
See? The Vice President is part of the executive branch. Political science/Constitution 101. Class dismissed.
Your entire argument consisted of an Ad hominem. The rest of your post basically said you don't care what the politicians do even if it's unethical or breaks the law....as long as some other president did it too. What if the earlier president was an evil democrat...would a Repub be allowed to copy them? That's what it sounded like to me when you said that. It seemed you said if a Dem can do it then so can a Repub. I don't think Repubs should lower themselves. I think Dems can do bad things, so I don't want Repubs copying them and becoming the evil that Dems are. I don't think I follow your logic....if there is any.
Ignorance is bliss Patriotism....right Draenor?
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
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my argument is more that the OP is overblowing it. and basically making up quotes.
EDIT: and if appears that Dick Cheney did something wrong. But we'll see what happens.
I think a lot of Americans do not realize the significance of this. He is saying he is not even accountable to the President of the United States, let alone the law or Constitution.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
Article II
Section 1 - The Executive Branch
"The executive Power shall be vested with the President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the term of for years, and together with the Vice President chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:"
See? The Vice President is part of the executive branch. Political science/Constitution 101. Class dismissed.
Your entire argument consisted of an Ad hominem. The rest of your post basically said you don't care what the politicians do even if it's unethical or breaks the law....as long as some other president did it too. What if the earlier president was an evil democrat...would a Repub be allowed to copy them? That's what it sounded like to me when you said that. It seemed you said if a Dem can do it then so can a Repub. I don't think Repubs should lower themselves. I think Dems can do bad things, so I don't want Repubs copying them and becoming the evil that Dems are. I don't think I follow your logic....if there is any.
Ignorance is bliss Patriotism....right Draenor?
Once again you have managed to completely miss the whole point...congratulations to you.
Quoting a part of the constitution that has nothing whatsoever to do with the point that I was making does nothing for your argument. Debate 101 class dismissed.
I don't care if he's a dem or a republican...the fact is that there is a lot of rule bending in Washington, it happens ALL THE TIME. And the OP has done nothing to show that he has done anything illegal or without precident. The only reason this was posted was because it's Cheney, end of story.
You have a way of trying to sound smart that few others even attempt, fortunately, I don't need to try and put some cute little crossed out word about people like you and act as though I've won some great battle. You're such a FREE THINKER Alex, I hope some day I can understand things on the level that you do, because clearly you have everything figured out and have come to all of the most logical conclusions...apparently most of those conclusions involve loving everything that Ron Paul and Thomas Jefferson have ever said or done and blind adherance to a document written more than 200 years ago in a completely different political climate.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Article II
Section 1 - The Executive Branch
"The executive Power shall be vested with the President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the term of for years, and together with the Vice President chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:"
See? The Vice President is part of the executive branch. Political science/Constitution 101. Class dismissed.
Your entire argument consisted of an Ad hominem. The rest of your post basically said you don't care what the politicians do even if it's unethical or breaks the law....as long as some other president did it too. What if the earlier president was an evil democrat...would a Repub be allowed to copy them? That's what it sounded like to me when you said that. It seemed you said if a Dem can do it then so can a Repub. I don't think Repubs should lower themselves. I think Dems can do bad things, so I don't want Repubs copying them and becoming the evil that Dems are. I don't think I follow your logic....if there is any.
Ignorance is bliss Patriotism....right Draenor?
Once again you have managed to completely miss the whole point...congratulations to you.
Quoting a part of the constitution that has nothing whatsoever to do with the point that I was making does nothing for your argument. Debate 101 class dismissed.
Actually it does. Whether the Vice President is part of the executive branch or not is a crucial part of this situation.
I don't care if he's a dem or a republican...the fact is that there is a lot of rule bending in Washington, it happens ALL THE TIME.
So? I don't see how this changes anything.
And the OP has done nothing to show that he has done anything illegal or without precident. The only reason this was posted was because it's Cheney, end of story.
Cheney is refusing to comply with a executive order and he has not cooperated since 2003. He says he is exempt based on his role in the government, but it's simply not true if you look at the Constitution.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/21/AR2007062102309_pf.html (more detailed article)
You have a way of trying to sound smart that few others even attempt, fortunately, I don't need to try and put some cute little crossed out word about people like you and act as though I've won some great battle. You're such a FREE THINKER Alex, I hope some day I can understand things on the level that you do, because clearly you have everything figured out and have come to all of the most logical conclusions...apparently most of those conclusions involve loving everything that Ron Paul and Thomas Jefferson have ever said or done and blind adherance to a document written more than 200 years ago in a completely different political climate.
Blind adherence to the Constitution? I actually read and researched it. Are you trying to insult the Constitution because of it's age of 200 years? Tell me how exactly the Constitution can't benefit us in this day. I've heard this argument many times and nobody cares to elaborate on it....my guess is because they don't know. Care to explain why you blindly adhere to documents from 5000 years ago in a completely different psycological environment (people were more gullible)?
If you don't want the government to follow the 200 year old document then where does that leave us? How are we protected from being ruled based soley on the opinions of our leaders?
You will be BEGGING and CRYING for the Constitution if Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama (or both if they are a ticket) gets into office. Say hello to socialism, open borders, and say bye bye to any little bit of the second amendment we may have left...oh wait that's just a 200 year old document. If you can't see the massive support that the Dems are getting then you are blind. Anybody who is for the war wil not get in.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Cheney's rejection of mandatory inspections required of all federal offices....
Read more here:
www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-ed-cheney23jun23,1,6504497.story
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
Article II
Section 1 - The Executive Branch
"The executive Power shall be vested with the President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the term of for years, and together with the Vice President chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:"
See? The Vice President is part of the executive branch. Political science/Constitution 101. Class dismissed.
Your entire argument consisted of an Ad hominem. The rest of your post basically said you don't care what the politicians do even if it's unethical or breaks the law....as long as some other president did it too. What if the earlier president was an evil democrat...would a Repub be allowed to copy them? That's what it sounded like to me when you said that. It seemed you said if a Dem can do it then so can a Repub. I don't think Repubs should lower themselves. I think Dems can do bad things, so I don't want Repubs copying them and becoming the evil that Dems are. I don't think I follow your logic....if there is any.
Ignorance is bliss Patriotism....right Draenor?
Once again you have managed to completely miss the whole point...congratulations to you.
Quoting a part of the constitution that has nothing whatsoever to do with the point that I was making does nothing for your argument. Debate 101 class dismissed.
Actually it does. Whether the Vice President is part of the executive branch or not is a crucial part of this situation.
I don't care if he's a dem or a republican...the fact is that there is a lot of rule bending in Washington, it happens ALL THE TIME.
So? I don't see how this changes anything.
And the OP has done nothing to show that he has done anything illegal or without precident. The only reason this was posted was because it's Cheney, end of story.
Cheney is refusing to comply with a executive order and he has not cooperated since 2003. He says he is exempt based on his role in the government, but it's simply not true if you look at the Constitution.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/21/AR2007062102309_pf.html (more detailed article)
You have a way of trying to sound smart that few others even attempt, fortunately, I don't need to try and put some cute little crossed out word about people like you and act as though I've won some great battle. You're such a FREE THINKER Alex, I hope some day I can understand things on the level that you do, because clearly you have everything figured out and have come to all of the most logical conclusions...apparently most of those conclusions involve loving everything that Ron Paul and Thomas Jefferson have ever said or done and blind adherance to a document written more than 200 years ago in a completely different political climate.
Blind adherence to the Constitution? I actually read and researched it. Are you trying to insult the Constitution because of it's age of 200 years? Tell me how exactly the Constitution can't benefit us in this day. I've heard this argument many times and nobody cares to elaborate on it....my guess is because they don't know. Care to explain why you blindly adhere to documents from 5000 years ago in a completely different psycological environment (people were more gullible)?
If you don't want the government to follow the 200 year old document then where does that leave us? How are we protected from being ruled based soley on the opinions of our leaders?
You will be BEGGING and CRYING for the Constitution if Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama (or both if they are a ticket) gets into office. Say hello to socialism, open borders, and say bye bye to any little bit of the second amendment we may have left...oh wait that's just a 200 year old document. If you can't see the massive support that the Dems are getting then you are blind. Anybody who is for the war wil not get in.
/sigh...point missed again...either you intentionally do this or you just like to argue with yourself...I'm gonna go ahead and block you. Nothing you ever post is worthwhile or poignant, it's mostly just irrelevent junk aimed at trying to make yourself look smart.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
As I said before, when a government Office (such as the Vice-Presidency or Department of Homeland Security) classifies information, it must report to a committee on what it classifies and declassifies. The committee is then able to evaluate if the classified information shows that an Office (such as the Vice-Presidency ) broke the law or violated the Constitution. President Bush sent a Presidential executive order for Dick Cheney's Office to report to this committee, as all Offices (including the President) must do by law. Dick Cheney said, "I am an entity and exempt from the law." It has never been done before. In effect saying, I do not have to comply with the law, I do not have to comply with the Constitution, I do not have to even comply with the President.
We cannot know what laws, if any, were broken until we know what he is hiding (classifying). He refuses to disclose, according to the law and Presidential executive order, what his Office has classified.
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WoW and fast food = commercial successes.
I neither play WoW nor eat fast food.
Dick Cheney said, "I am an entity and exempt from the law." Is this a direct quote? Can you point me to the source that says this a direct quote?
Thanks.
Here are some BETTER and more reliable links to Cheney making a run for America's first Furher:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/06/21/BL2007062101075.html?nav=hcmodule
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/06/cheney-power-gr.html
http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1371
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3388799387341337020The alternative news site, Rense.com even was shocked -
http://www.rense.com/general77/chn.htm
Still waiting for this. Please some one give me the information I ask for.
It gets far, far, worse. Cheney is seeking to get rid of the current piece of American goverment that is questioning his integrity:
http://oversight.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1371
"""""The Vice President's staff responded by seeking to abolish the agency within the Archives that is responsible for implementing the President's executive order."""""
Now the question is... what are, will, the American people, the American public, do about this?
As the founding fathers said, in order for a Democracy to work, the public must keep a CONSTANT vigil on goverment.