lol, this is great news! I wasnt even thinking of trying this game, but now that so many idiots arent goin to play it, because they hate SOE, means a better community for PotBS. Ill never understand why ppl will go out of their way to ruin their own fun in a game, just because a little part of the company is run by SOE. Was it SWG? r u guys still upset that u cant wear ur Star Wars costumes while playing an MMO? sad, so very sad. get a life ppl.
What is it with people and this damn SOE thing?!? I don't know how clearer it can get:
1. FLS retains FULL control over the game's production.
2. SOE handles SERVERS, BILLING, DISTRIBUTION.
As much as the ignorant crowd loves to hate SOE for SWG, the simple fact is that they have the muscle to do this! I've been a customer for three years and never had a problem. If you have, then too bad, no company is perfect. SOE are a big company, however, and love 'em or hate 'em, they CAN do the things that FLS want to achieve.
What makes me laugh the most, are the folks that love something to death, then as soon as they hear SOE are handling the support end, they're like, "OMG!! SOE is distributing? I won't touch this piece of filth anymore!" - As if they could suddenly hate a previously loved game so vehemently.
People, as others have said, this SOE Hate bandwagon has gotten so damn full and old that the wheels are falling off, and it's seems are busting. SOE (more than likely with the bullwhip of LA) screwed up SWG for you. It's done, nothing we can do about it anymore.
But deciding to boycott this brand new game, or any new undertaking, just because SOE are publishing, is just pure, ignorant insanity. The kind of ignorance that has lead to racism, slavery and war for so much of this world's chequered past. It's like saying, 'This person is actually really cool, but I hate them because they have purple skin'.
Move on people, c'mon already! Let's drop the hate and give this game the support it deserves. SOE can't touch the thing, they're just backing it up.
What is it with people and this damn SOE thing?!? I don't know how clearer it can get: 1. FLS retains FULL control over the game's production. 2. SOE handles SERVERS, BILLING, DISTRIBUTION. As much as the ignorant crowd loves to hate SOE for SWG, the simple fact is that they have the muscle to do this! I've been a customer for three years and never had a problem. If you have, then too bad, no company is perfect. SOE are a big company, however, and love 'em or hate 'em, they CAN do the things that FLS want to achieve. What makes me laugh the most, are the folks that love something to death, then as soon as they hear SOE are handling the support end, they're like, "OMG!! SOE is distributing? I won't touch this piece of filth anymore!" - As if they could suddenly hate a previously loved game so vehemently. People, as others have said, this SOE Hate bandwagon has gotten so damn full and old that the wheels are falling off, and it's seems are busting. SOE (more than likely with the bullwhip of LA) screwed up SWG for you. It's done, nothing we can do about it anymore. But deciding to boycott this brand new game, or any new undertaking, just because SOE are publishing, is just pure, ignorant insanity. The kind of ignorance that has lead to racism, slavery and war for so much of this world's chequered past. It's like saying, 'This person is actually really cool, but I hate them because they have purple skin'. Move on people, c'mon already! Let's drop the hate and give this game the support it deserves. SOE can't touch the thing, they're just backing it up.
Originally posted by Ainshent After careful thought and consideration to both sides of this.....interesting news. This pretty much sums it up..... <CLICK HERE>
so if the game becomes successful, will you come back and say you were wrong?
Everyone keeps comparing this to Sigil, yet no one even looks at Flying Labs past history or their original plans of distribution. They had never planned on doing a retail version until the last few months. The original plan had been to do a direct download and handle everything themselves. They took the idea of Turbine and Asheron's Call, and decided to get help publishing it and putting it on the shelves through a third party. I bet if it had been Microsoft, you guys would have said the same thing as your saying now. Something else all the detractors don't realize is the amount of publishing that SOE does and yet retains no rights to the games. Many great games would not even be here if not for Sony (look at Vanguard, SOE saved that game for you guys).
People should just shut up and be patient instead of starting some gloom and doom about the game before they even know anything. Tons of gameplayers worldwide love SOE for what they do, and only a very small fraction (SWG players) even have a problem with them. I am definitely not a fanboy of SOE, but sheesh give it a break already. Flying Labs and POTBS are doing fine and if you noticed also, they are only in a publishing contract with SOE, if SOE does anything to break the contract they can find someone else which looks like they had offers other then SOE already. I believe this is the best thing for POTBS and also, have you noticed, not once in its development have they been trying to rush it out, which means they have enough funding to finish it instead of like what Sigil did and had to get SOE to throw more funding in.
AGAIN........................Flying Labs has its OWN independent funding unlike Sigil who did NOT have, therefore having to have SOE throw money at them to help get it out and in essence giving away many rights they had as developers.
guys defending SOE are the minority on this forums but on the offical bruning sea forums there are praticly no coomplaints. This just proves that this forums is full of people that complain about every little thing.
No, it just shows there is a substantial number of people who will complain about anything SOE does even though they don’t have any current knowledge and never had any particular interest until the topic SOE came up.
How many of the people complaining posted here regularly prior to this announcement? (I’ll freely admit I lurked more then posted. PotBS is one of 3-4 games I was kind of watching but it has me a lot more interested now because it would tip the balance and make an all access pass worthwhile for me because I plan on playing EQ2 no matter what and would like some of the perks on the all access pass.)
Also, take a look at the people complaining and see how many of them are willing to give a free pass to EA, or Microsoft, or Vivendi? Overall Vivendi has as bad a track record as Sony, and EA and Microsoft are worse, so why is it these peoples “principles” only apply to Sony?
Beat me to it, Woody! It takes a while to read through the 12 pages added since I went to bed. He's right. We're doing our own servers. Sony does distribution and marketing, both of which they're quite good at.
Really, to summarize all 26 pages of this thread, this all comes down to a few camps of people:
1. People who don't care who publishes the game as long as it's good.
2. People who've had bad experiences with every company and so don't like any of them. But they love games so they judge each game as it comes along.
3. People who've had a bad experience with SOE but trust us to take care of ourselves.
4. People who are sure SOE will mess up the game some how, but are willing to check it out anyway.
5. People who don't care how good the game is, because for them it's become a matter of principal to avoid SOE.
6. People who wouldn't have found our game if it weren't for SOE's marketing and distribution, but now will.
Groups 1, 2, 3, and 4 we can take care of by doing *our * job and releasing a solid and fun game. Some people will hold back on trying it to make sure it's not another Vanguard, but that's fine. I'm not Brad McQuaid so I'm not worried about them. Group 5 we can't do anything about anyway, because for them it's a religious issue, and you can't argue with that. From a business standpoint, we believe that group 6 is much larger than group 5. Digital distribution doesn't reach the Walmart crowd, or even a lot of the Best Buy/Gamestop crowd. While I admire the adherance to their principals that will keep group 5 away from our game, I'm sorry they won't get to enjoy it. But my admiration isn't enough to cause me to make a bad business decision for my company because of it.
Korvass, I agree vehemently with you on this. Everyone keeps comparing this to Sigil, yet no one even looks at Flying Labs past history or their original plans of distribution. They had never planned on doing a retail version until the last few months. The original plan had been to do a direct download and handle everything themselves. They took the idea of Turbine and Asheron's Call, and decided to get help publishing it and putting it on the shelves through a third party. I bet if it had been Microsoft, you guys would have said the same thing as your saying now. Something else all the detractors don't realize is the amount of publishing that SOE does and yet retains no rights to the games. Many great games would not even be here if not for Sony (look at Vanguard, SOE saved that game for you guys). People should just shut up and be patient instead of starting some gloom and doom about the game before they even know anything. Tons of gameplayers worldwide love SOE for what they do, and only a very small fraction (SWG players) even have a problem with them. I am definitely not a fanboy of SOE, but sheesh give it a break already. Flying Labs and POTBS are doing fine and if you noticed also, they are only in a publishing contract with SOE, if SOE does anything to break the contract they can find someone else which looks like they had offers other then SOE already. I believe this is the best thing for POTBS and also, have you noticed, not once in its development have they been trying to rush it out, which means they have enough funding to finish it instead of like what Sigil did and had to get SOE to throw more funding in.
AGAIN........................Flying Labs has its OWN independent funding unlike Sigil who did NOT have, therefore having to have SOE throw money at them to help get it out and in essence giving away many rights they had as developers.
It’s not unfair to compare it to Sigil, the agreements are not radically different. If Sigil had managed to develop a successful game they would have had no problem maintaining their independence. Sigil’s problem is that their management sucked and they didn’t get their game completed within their already massive budget.
Sigil spent $35 million of their own (and Microsoft’s) money before SOE ever got involved with them, SOE agreed to give them even more with the stipulation that that was all they would get until the game launched. That money ran out and the game still wasn’t ready. Given how screwed up Sigil was internally SOE could have funded them forever and they still wouldn’t have produced anything.
If PotBS has similar issues and flops because of them, it’s entirely possible PotBS will become SOE property. If PotBS succeeds then this isn’t going to happen.
guys defending SOE are the minority on this forums but on the offical bruning sea forums there are praticly no coomplaints. This just proves that this forums is full of people that complain about every little thing.
No, it just shows there is a substantial number of people who will complain about anything SOE does even though they don’t have any current knowledge and never had any particular interest until the topic SOE came up.
How many of the people complaining posted here regularly prior to this announcement? (I’ll freely admit I lurked more then posted. PotBS is one of 3-4 games I was kind of watching but it has me a lot more interested now because it would tip the balance and make an all access pass worthwhile for me because I plan on playing EQ2 no matter what and would like some of the perks on the all access pass.)
Also, take a look at the people complaining and see how many of them are willing to give a free pass to EA, or Microsoft, or Vivendi? Overall Vivendi has as bad a track record as Sony, and EA and Microsoft are worse, so why is it these peoples “principles” only apply to Sony?
Lurked.........lol
Not flaming you, but your post count shows you MORE than lurked, but back to your statement.
I agree definitely with you and I also have been watching POTBS for quite a long time and this news brings hope I will soon be playing it and all the SOE haters will be eating crow from my mizzenmasts.......YARGGGGH!!!
And to side with you also, SOE really has done alot for the MMO industry, both good and bad. They brought us EQ, EQ2, SWG (good bad, just a big mistake hurt it), Planetside and saved MXO and Vanguard from being shut down. So really all the haters have against them is one single game they claim SOE hurt. Without insider information and documents, who knows for sure whether SOE or LA is to blame. Also, people need to remember this..............
Each game has its own set of developers, admins, etc., so the people who hurt SWG are not the ones involved in the other games. Look at the popularity of EQ and EQ2 and the cult following of Planetside, they are nothing like SWG in terms as screw-ups.
Finally, people need to just grow up and quit trying to run rough-shod over these forums with all the ANTI-SOE hate when all it boils down to is SWG DEV hate and not actually SOE hate. You would think people would realize one of the most successful gaming companies in the world, publishing tons of games might know what it is doing.........
The issue here is one of trust......nothing more, nothing less. If you have been burned before, you know exactly what I'm talking about. The SOE haters don't necessarily hate SOE, they don't trust them.
FLS has jumped into an interesting fire. As soon as they made that step they acquired some new baggage. I'ts called guilty by association. It's nothing new that SOE is lacking love from the MMORPG community. For FLS to embrace all that astounds me.
This is wild, though one serious question to folks who are now planning to shun FLS due to SOE distribution and marketing.
When, in your life (your REAL life), you manage to make a mistake, or bad decision. Or associate with people which bear a negative stigma... Is it ok then for folks to outright dismiss you, in the same way you are dismissing FLS? I know that you have surely done something bad in your lifetime, or had a friend that was a real arse. Does that give your parents the right not to invest in your future? What about your other friends? Should they blow you off years later because of a flaw you 'used' to have?
This is a game, so real life doesn't always need to coincide with the 'game world'. However, marketing, distribution, advertising and promotion is REAL. Not a game, even if the aforementioned is for a game, it is all taking place in the REAL world. Not only that, but these folks are running fire control trying to appease folks that want to see heads rolling because of past 'games'.
Entitlement aside, nothing is in stone and no one owes you anything. The inverse is also true.
The reality is that product changes all the time. I'm 100% convinced that if the internet was availible when General Mills first changed the recipie for Count Chocula, the world would have grinded to a halt.
These guys deserve an ear, not stubborn foolishness. Take the time to understand the existing community and maybe you can begin to understand all that is wrong in other MMOs. Which has nothing to do with development, marketing or billing, and everything to do with the caliber of the playerbase. (look at the WoW syndrome) These guys are doing their damn thing, and will do it regardless.
Likewise, I'll either see you and send you to the bottom of the sea myself, or you can run and
I can see both sides of this story. I personally have played a lot of SOE's games and really don't trust them whatsoever. I wouldnt go so far as to call me an SOE hater but close to it. While people who support this game should definately keep faith that POTBS will not allow SOE to have any creative control, I can definately see why others would not want to even get involved. Yes they say they have enough money now but so did Sigil, yes they say SOE won't have any creative control but so did Sigil. I was a big follower of Vanguard from the very begining and I personally never saw it coming and was very shocked when they anounced the takeover. That just shows you never know what is really going on behind the scenes and you never really know whats going to happen. I'm not personally interested in POTBS but I say good luck and hopefully everything works out.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
Knowing that the game is going to be available with my Station Access just guaranteed them a purchase.
.....and the flip side.
as I recall bad press is better than no press. Perhaps thats what is going on here....
Bad press? Where? I see a top-notch business decision that will lead to a healthy future for this game, instead of an unseen download game that ends up dying because nobody knows about it.
Just because a few dozen whiny haters are boycotting, doesn't make it bad press. Besides, I'm starting to get the impression that most people who enjoy playing games don't even come to this bloody site.
It's amazing the amount of asinine comments people will spew about SOE. It's a corporation! Never trust a corporation, never. I mean come on your favorite game by Sony was changed, or nerfed, or whatever. Think any other corporation won't do the same. Vivendi makes decisions on WoW all the time, some people like, some that people don't. You don't see it because everything is done through the Blizzard name. They and every other corporation act in the interest of their shareholders; everything that has happened to the games of SOE were done in response to market pressures, not to spite you personally.
I'm happy that PotBS is going to be on Station Access, it means that I will be playing it. I need a game other than EQ2, I've never liked SWG (and yes I played pre NGE and pre CU), Vanguard has too many issues and in the end, is just another fantasy game. MxO I've never tried but really not interested in the world of Matrix, more interested in a Shadowrun MMO. Good news for the developers of PotBS, glad you found a publisher as well as a partner that has a relatively stable server farm.
5. People who don't care how good the game is, because for them it's become a matter of principal to avoid SOE.
Well that's me.
But tell you what, it is great that you and your team is taking the effort in providing dialogue with the user base rather than avoiding them.
That is commendable.
Now if there was a means for my money to go directly to Flying Labs and none to SOE, then I'll sign up.
Some possibilities; an X dollar game card or pass from Flying Labs, Or an exchange program to return SWG CD's for POTBS CD's, Or a discount program for former players (can be confirmed by SOE accounting, based on certain dates and titles).
Something in which either SOE provides some sort of compensation for its past 'mistakes' or can be by-passed altogether.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
LOL 273 replies allready.I wonder how many are from SOE haters who didn't even intend to play this game but just camehere to "save the world".
Only thing i could see bad in this is the fact that flying labs claimed they would search verry hard to find a company that would let them fully be in control.Now this is one side of SOE , that i think the majority will agree with , SOE doesn't let you keep control.If i should nameone company that won't let you do that i'd say SOE.So i am not saying if it's good or bad that SOE is in it , i do say flying labs once again didn't do like they claimed.If the game will fail it won't be SOE's fault is my believe....but time will tell.
Knowing that the game is going to be available with my Station Access just guaranteed them a purchase.
.....and the flip side.
as I recall bad press is better than no press. Perhaps thats what is going on here....
Bad press? Where? I see a top-notch business decision that will lead to a healthy future for this game, instead of an unseen download game that ends up dying because nobody knows about it.
Just because a few dozen whiny haters are boycotting, doesn't make it bad press. Besides, I'm starting to get the impression that most people who enjoy playing games don't even come to this bloody site.
Tis the beauty of a public forum....you have your opinion, I have my opinion, they have their opinion. Mention SOE and a lot more than a few dozen raise their eyebrows, and not for good reasons. In the MMORPG community tagging anything with the SOE logo is, like I said before, jumping into a fire. To be honest, I hope you are correct and this will be a good decision. History tends to repeat itself however....
There would not be so much hate towards SOE, if SOE took the time to provide compensation (which can be of many forms) to its customers.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
There would not be so much hate towards SOE, if SOE took the time to provide compensation (which can be of many forms) to its customers.
SOE owes you zero compensation, you attest to that much every time you log into ANYONES game. It's a service, you pay a bit upfront, and a subscription. If the service is no longer what you want? Well, I can't assume to get money back from a TIME magazine article I didn't particularly like. Be more carefull with how you spend your time if it is so damn valuable.
I'm really not trying to jump on you, but seriously. /shrugs
In other news: Pirates is released way before it is ready and with too many problems for words. $OE purchases Flying Lab Software two months later. Thank you, that is all.
That press release read exactly like the one for Vanguard. "We keep full control, and are not full of shit...honest!" I called the Vanguard fiasco with $OE buying them out a few months in and now I'm calling this.
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lol, this is great news! I wasnt even thinking of trying this game, but now that so many idiots arent goin to play it, because they hate SOE, means a better community for PotBS. Ill never understand why ppl will go out of their way to ruin their own fun in a game, just because a little part of the company is run by SOE. Was it SWG? r u guys still upset that u cant wear ur Star Wars costumes while playing an MMO? sad, so very sad. get a life ppl.
What is it with people and this damn SOE thing?!? I don't know how clearer it can get:
1. FLS retains FULL control over the game's production.
2. SOE handles SERVERS, BILLING, DISTRIBUTION.
As much as the ignorant crowd loves to hate SOE for SWG, the simple fact is that they have the muscle to do this! I've been a customer for three years and never had a problem. If you have, then too bad, no company is perfect. SOE are a big company, however, and love 'em or hate 'em, they CAN do the things that FLS want to achieve.
What makes me laugh the most, are the folks that love something to death, then as soon as they hear SOE are handling the support end, they're like, "OMG!! SOE is distributing? I won't touch this piece of filth anymore!" - As if they could suddenly hate a previously loved game so vehemently.
People, as others have said, this SOE Hate bandwagon has gotten so damn full and old that the wheels are falling off, and it's seems are busting. SOE (more than likely with the bullwhip of LA) screwed up SWG for you. It's done, nothing we can do about it anymore.
But deciding to boycott this brand new game, or any new undertaking, just because SOE are publishing, is just pure, ignorant insanity. The kind of ignorance that has lead to racism, slavery and war for so much of this world's chequered past. It's like saying, 'This person is actually really cool, but I hate them because they have purple skin'.
Move on people, c'mon already! Let's drop the hate and give this game the support it deserves. SOE can't touch the thing, they're just backing it up.
Correction, we handle our own servers as well.
After careful thought and consideration to both sides of this.....interesting news. This pretty much sums it up.....
<CLICK HERE>
My bad
I'll be giving the game a try either way, SOE servers or yours.
so if the game becomes successful, will you come back and say you were wrong?
so if the game becomes successful, will you come back and say you were wrong?
No, because they'll be too busy bitching and whining about SOE...
Korvass, I agree vehemently with you on this.
Everyone keeps comparing this to Sigil, yet no one even looks at Flying Labs past history or their original plans of distribution. They had never planned on doing a retail version until the last few months. The original plan had been to do a direct download and handle everything themselves. They took the idea of Turbine and Asheron's Call, and decided to get help publishing it and putting it on the shelves through a third party. I bet if it had been Microsoft, you guys would have said the same thing as your saying now. Something else all the detractors don't realize is the amount of publishing that SOE does and yet retains no rights to the games. Many great games would not even be here if not for Sony (look at Vanguard, SOE saved that game for you guys).
People should just shut up and be patient instead of starting some gloom and doom about the game before they even know anything. Tons of gameplayers worldwide love SOE for what they do, and only a very small fraction (SWG players) even have a problem with them. I am definitely not a fanboy of SOE, but sheesh give it a break already. Flying Labs and POTBS are doing fine and if you noticed also, they are only in a publishing contract with SOE, if SOE does anything to break the contract they can find someone else which looks like they had offers other then SOE already. I believe this is the best thing for POTBS and also, have you noticed, not once in its development have they been trying to rush it out, which means they have enough funding to finish it instead of like what Sigil did and had to get SOE to throw more funding in.
AGAIN........................Flying Labs has its OWN independent funding unlike Sigil who did NOT have, therefore having to have SOE throw money at them to help get it out and in essence giving away many rights they had as developers.
Beat me to it, Woody! It takes a while to read through the 12 pages added since I went to bed. He's right. We're doing our own servers. Sony does distribution and marketing, both of which they're quite good at.
Really, to summarize all 26 pages of this thread, this all comes down to a few camps of people:
1. People who don't care who publishes the game as long as it's good.
2. People who've had bad experiences with every company and so don't like any of them. But they love games so they judge each game as it comes along.
3. People who've had a bad experience with SOE but trust us to take care of ourselves.
4. People who are sure SOE will mess up the game some how, but are willing to check it out anyway.
5. People who don't care how good the game is, because for them it's become a matter of principal to avoid SOE.
6. People who wouldn't have found our game if it weren't for SOE's marketing and distribution, but now will.
Groups 1, 2, 3, and 4 we can take care of by doing *our * job and releasing a solid and fun game. Some people will hold back on trying it to make sure it's not another Vanguard, but that's fine. I'm not Brad McQuaid so I'm not worried about them. Group 5 we can't do anything about anyway, because for them it's a religious issue, and you can't argue with that. From a business standpoint, we believe that group 6 is much larger than group 5. Digital distribution doesn't reach the Walmart crowd, or even a lot of the Best Buy/Gamestop crowd. While I admire the adherance to their principals that will keep group 5 away from our game, I'm sorry they won't get to enjoy it. But my admiration isn't enough to cause me to make a bad business decision for my company because of it.
Rick Saada - FLS Dev and EPFBM
Rick Saada - FLS Dev & EPFBM
Lurked.........lol
Not flaming you, but your post count shows you MORE than lurked, but back to your statement.
I agree definitely with you and I also have been watching POTBS for quite a long time and this news brings hope I will soon be playing it and all the SOE haters will be eating crow from my mizzenmasts.......YARGGGGH!!!
And to side with you also, SOE really has done alot for the MMO industry, both good and bad. They brought us EQ, EQ2, SWG (good bad, just a big mistake hurt it), Planetside and saved MXO and Vanguard from being shut down. So really all the haters have against them is one single game they claim SOE hurt. Without insider information and documents, who knows for sure whether SOE or LA is to blame. Also, people need to remember this..............
Each game has its own set of developers, admins, etc., so the people who hurt SWG are not the ones involved in the other games. Look at the popularity of EQ and EQ2 and the cult following of Planetside, they are nothing like SWG in terms as screw-ups.
Finally, people need to just grow up and quit trying to run rough-shod over these forums with all the ANTI-SOE hate when all it boils down to is SWG DEV hate and not actually SOE hate. You would think people would realize one of the most successful gaming companies in the world, publishing tons of games might know what it is doing.........
The issue here is one of trust......nothing more, nothing less. If you have been burned before, you know exactly what I'm talking about. The SOE haters don't necessarily hate SOE, they don't trust them.
FLS has jumped into an interesting fire. As soon as they made that step they acquired some new baggage. I'ts called guilty by association. It's nothing new that SOE is lacking love from the MMORPG community. For FLS to embrace all that astounds me.
Knowing that the game is going to be available with my Station Access just guaranteed them a purchase.
Wish Darkfall would release.
as I recall bad press is better than no press. Perhaps thats what is going on here....
Hehehe.
This is wild, though one serious question to folks who are now planning to shun FLS due to SOE distribution and marketing.
When, in your life (your REAL life), you manage to make a mistake, or bad decision. Or associate with people which bear a negative stigma... Is it ok then for folks to outright dismiss you, in the same way you are dismissing FLS? I know that you have surely done something bad in your lifetime, or had a friend that was a real arse. Does that give your parents the right not to invest in your future? What about your other friends? Should they blow you off years later because of a flaw you 'used' to have?
This is a game, so real life doesn't always need to coincide with the 'game world'. However, marketing, distribution, advertising and promotion is REAL. Not a game, even if the aforementioned is for a game, it is all taking place in the REAL world. Not only that, but these folks are running fire control trying to appease folks that want to see heads rolling because of past 'games'.
Entitlement aside, nothing is in stone and no one owes you anything. The inverse is also true.
The reality is that product changes all the time. I'm 100% convinced that if the internet was availible when General Mills first changed the recipie for Count Chocula, the world would have grinded to a halt.
These guys deserve an ear, not stubborn foolishness. Take the time to understand the existing community and maybe you can begin to understand all that is wrong in other MMOs. Which has nothing to do with development, marketing or billing, and everything to do with the caliber of the playerbase. (look at the WoW syndrome) These guys are doing their damn thing, and will do it regardless.
Likewise, I'll either see you and send you to the bottom of the sea myself, or you can run and
I can see both sides of this story. I personally have played a lot of SOE's games and really don't trust them whatsoever. I wouldnt go so far as to call me an SOE hater but close to it. While people who support this game should definately keep faith that POTBS will not allow SOE to have any creative control, I can definately see why others would not want to even get involved. Yes they say they have enough money now but so did Sigil, yes they say SOE won't have any creative control but so did Sigil. I was a big follower of Vanguard from the very begining and I personally never saw it coming and was very shocked when they anounced the takeover. That just shows you never know what is really going on behind the scenes and you never really know whats going to happen. I'm not personally interested in POTBS but I say good luck and hopefully everything works out.
"God, please help us sinful children of Ivalice.."
as I recall bad press is better than no press. Perhaps thats what is going on here....
Bad press? Where? I see a top-notch business decision that will lead to a healthy future for this game, instead of an unseen download game that ends up dying because nobody knows about it.Just because a few dozen whiny haters are boycotting, doesn't make it bad press. Besides, I'm starting to get the impression that most people who enjoy playing games don't even come to this bloody site.
It's amazing the amount of asinine comments people will spew about SOE. It's a corporation! Never trust a corporation, never. I mean come on your favorite game by Sony was changed, or nerfed, or whatever. Think any other corporation won't do the same. Vivendi makes decisions on WoW all the time, some people like, some that people don't. You don't see it because everything is done through the Blizzard name. They and every other corporation act in the interest of their shareholders; everything that has happened to the games of SOE were done in response to market pressures, not to spite you personally.
I'm happy that PotBS is going to be on Station Access, it means that I will be playing it. I need a game other than EQ2, I've never liked SWG (and yes I played pre NGE and pre CU), Vanguard has too many issues and in the end, is just another fantasy game. MxO I've never tried but really not interested in the world of Matrix, more interested in a Shadowrun MMO. Good news for the developers of PotBS, glad you found a publisher as well as a partner that has a relatively stable server farm.
But tell you what, it is great that you and your team is taking the effort in providing dialogue with the user base rather than avoiding them.
That is commendable.
Now if there was a means for my money to go directly to Flying Labs and none to SOE, then I'll sign up.
Some possibilities; an X dollar game card or pass from Flying Labs, Or an exchange program to return SWG CD's for POTBS CD's, Or a discount program for former players (can be confirmed by SOE accounting, based on certain dates and titles).
Something in which either SOE provides some sort of compensation for its past 'mistakes' or can be by-passed altogether.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
LOL 273 replies allready.I wonder how many are from SOE haters who didn't even intend to play this game but just camehere to "save the world".
Only thing i could see bad in this is the fact that flying labs claimed they would search verry hard to find a company that would let them fully be in control.Now this is one side of SOE , that i think the majority will agree with , SOE doesn't let you keep control.If i should nameone company that won't let you do that i'd say SOE.So i am not saying if it's good or bad that SOE is in it , i do say flying labs once again didn't do like they claimed.If the game will fail it won't be SOE's fault is my believe....but time will tell.
as I recall bad press is better than no press. Perhaps thats what is going on here....
Bad press? Where? I see a top-notch business decision that will lead to a healthy future for this game, instead of an unseen download game that ends up dying because nobody knows about it.Just because a few dozen whiny haters are boycotting, doesn't make it bad press. Besides, I'm starting to get the impression that most people who enjoy playing games don't even come to this bloody site.
Tis the beauty of a public forum....you have your opinion, I have my opinion, they have their opinion. Mention SOE and a lot more than a few dozen raise their eyebrows, and not for good reasons. In the MMORPG community tagging anything with the SOE logo is, like I said before, jumping into a fire. To be honest, I hope you are correct and this will be a good decision. History tends to repeat itself however....And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
SOE owes you zero compensation, you attest to that much every time you log into ANYONES game. It's a service, you pay a bit upfront, and a subscription. If the service is no longer what you want? Well, I can't assume to get money back from a TIME magazine article I didn't particularly like. Be more carefull with how you spend your time if it is so damn valuable.
I'm really not trying to jump on you, but seriously. /shrugs
In other news: Pirates is released way before it is ready and with too many problems for words. $OE purchases Flying Lab Software two months later. Thank you, that is all.
That press release read exactly like the one for Vanguard. "We keep full control, and are not full of shit...honest!" I called the Vanguard fiasco with $OE buying them out a few months in and now I'm calling this.