If someone refuses to buy the game just because SOE is handling the distribution of the game, then that's fine with me. That's just the kind of illogical and fanatical player that I'll be happy to not have participating in the same game world as myself. Good riddance to ignorant rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
I know the history of SWG and Vanguard all too well, and I am quite content to know that POTBS has absolutely nothing to do in any way shape or form with those games. If POTBS fails, it will be because of Flying Labs, NOT SOE.
Originally posted by nikoliath To all those foaming, delusional, rabid, short sighted individuals who feel that the world just ended I say, grow-up. Much of your irrational hate for SOE seems to be based on fiction and hyperbole. Some of you really do need to seek some form of counselling, no really. soephobic ; sofeu.bik adjective, noun ~ someone who has an irrational fear and loathing of Sony Online Entertainment. Sufferers often display the following symptoms, ranting, loathing, self loathing, whining, fanaticism and delusion. note: soephobia can be spread orally often effecting people who have never had contact with SOE.
Man I love that, I mean that is just one of those things that are funny because they are true.
POTBS username:yohorumrunner Guild:St George Squadron
Hehe...many of you are only giving examples of SWG and Sigil/Vanguard...Do you honestly think those are SOE's only screw ups? DO some research folks, theres a long list.....
Almost all companies messed up.
But did SOE actually cancel 3 MMORPGs like EA did?
At least Pirates of the burning sea will be out and about, as the list of successful independent MMORPGs is not so long.
Uhh dude they're not Publishers. Sony is a Publisher and a Developer, but the guys making PotBS are DEVELOPERS there's like a HUGE difference. SOE & Lucas Arts fuk'd up SWG but SOE did not fuk up Vanguard. Vanguard was way screwed up and in the red long before SOE even signed the deal with Sigil. If SOE hadn't of been gracious enough to buy vanguard on the fact it has potential to be turned around Vanguard would be dead, gone, completely non existant like AC2. Its hilarious how no one reads the fine print, the guys put it out there and told you everything in the contract. The fact they're in control of their community and servers and development and design says it all. It says "we're in good health & and this is just to bring our game to a wider market than just those that watch the internet" otherwise SOE would be throwing money at them and giving them 'hands on help' like they did with Sigil. I for one don't have any hate towards SOE. I loved EQ (even if planes of power turned me off) & I love EQ2. SWG was a huge mistake but who really knows how to say no to Lucas arts when they want something they want something and SWG was their intellectual properity they had control and they pushed for the NGE that caused all the hate. Its funny how its only the jaded SWG fans that continously promote that SOE is evil when infact they aren't. EA is the ultimate devil and I'll never be lead to believe anything different. I can't wait for Pirates of the Burning Sea and raising pure hell on the open ocean!
But please understand, we all read posts almost exactly like yours when VG came out...and then.... look what happened. So its understandable that people are skeptical. And I'm willing to bet, if PotBS doesn't meet certain target subcription numbers, SOE will take it over just like they did VG as I'm sure its part of the deal.
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If your talking about SOE's investments in Sigil's Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, it was a contract based deal. All Sigil had to do to keep their game was make sure it was successful. Is it SOE's fault that Sigil ran out of money and had to launch early in hopes that they could generate some revenue to keep the game theirs, nope. Whether Sigil went with SOE or not, what your failing to see with all your delusional insight is that Sigil was going bankrupt before SOE came into the picture. So, your saying you'ld rather not have even had the opportunity to give a game a try because the company went bankrupt, then let SOE buy them out to give the game a chance. Yeah, I see where your coming from, SOE and their damn hostile takeovers. Perhaps your right, Vanguard should never have been launched and then we wouldn't have to sit here and debate how retarded Brad was for running his company into the ground, because he's afraid of idiot fans who hate SOE.
i think soes fault was as usual to actually believe the hype. vanguard should have crashed&burned before. m$ droped it for a reason.
but fact is that they DID pull the plug. and that they were thus in fact controlling the fate of sigil(all van&sigil boys said otherwise). nothing with a fancy-dreamy-fanboy-ish "oh, they just like to throw around millions, you know. they wont ever have any influence in the developer process".
what did we learn?
the same might happen to potBS. if they start to miss (imaginary?)deadlines they will be wasted. even if fanboys still believe that soe likes to throw around millions for free.
Uhh dude they're not Publishers. Sony is a Publisher and a Developer, but the guys making PotBS are DEVELOPERS there's like a HUGE difference. SOE & Lucas Arts fuk'd up SWG but SOE did not fuk up Vanguard. Vanguard was way screwed up and in the red long before SOE even signed the deal with Sigil. If SOE hadn't of been gracious enough to buy vanguard on the fact it has potential to be turned around Vanguard would be dead, gone, completely non existant like AC2. Its hilarious how no one reads the fine print, the guys put it out there and told you everything in the contract. The fact they're in control of their community and servers and development and design says it all. It says "we're in good health & and this is just to bring our game to a wider market than just those that watch the internet" otherwise SOE would be throwing money at them and giving them 'hands on help' like they did with Sigil. I for one don't have any hate towards SOE. I loved EQ (even if planes of power turned me off) & I love EQ2. SWG was a huge mistake but who really knows how to say no to Lucas arts when they want something they want something and SWG was their intellectual properity they had control and they pushed for the NGE that caused all the hate. Its funny how its only the jaded SWG fans that continously promote that SOE is evil when infact they aren't. EA is the ultimate devil and I'll never be lead to believe anything different. I can't wait for Pirates of the Burning Sea and raising pure hell on the open ocean!
But please understand, we all read posts almost exactly like yours when VG came out...and then.... look what happened. So its understandable that people are skeptical. And I'm willing to bet, if PotBS doesn't meet certain target subcription numbers, SOE will take it over just like they did VG as I'm sure its part of the deal.
And what if SOE took it over? Then what? It was still developed by Flying Labs, so if it fails, it was still Flying Labs fault, not SOEs. Just like you keep trying to use V:SoH as an example and are completely wrong about. Sigil still developed the game, but because Brad is an idiot, the game failed to launch properly and all SOE did was allow for the game to even launch and stay alive. Your hating SOE for giving MMOs a chance and all because of what? I really don't know.
It's a waste of time to try and explain it to folks who don't like SOE, they want to blame SOE for everything.
For those that don't like SOE that's fine don't play the game, but let's not turn the potbs forum's into crap like you guy's have done to some of the other forums, Goes for me as well, i started to flame abit but that's not cool, so just accept that they thought this was best for their business and move on to your next game you are waiting for.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
If your talking about SOE's investments in Sigil's Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, it was a contract based deal. All Sigil had to do to keep their game was make sure it was successful. Is it SOE's fault that Sigil ran out of money and had to launch early in hopes that they could generate some revenue to keep the game theirs, nope. Whether Sigil went with SOE or not, what your failing to see with all your delusional insight is that Sigil was going bankrupt before SOE came into the picture. So, your saying you'ld rather not have even had the opportunity to give a game a try because the company went bankrupt, then let SOE buy them out to give the game a chance. Yeah, I see where your coming from, SOE and their damn hostile takeovers. Perhaps your right, Vanguard should never have been launched and then we wouldn't have to sit here and debate how retarded Brad was for running his company into the ground, because he's afraid of idiot fans who hate SOE.
i think soes fault was as usual to actually believe the hype. vanguard should have crashed&burned before. m$ droped it for a reason.
but fact is that they DID pull the plug. and that they were thus in fact controlling the fate of sigil(all van&sigil boys said otherwise). nothing with a fancy-dreamy-fanboy-ish "oh, they just like to throw around millions, you know. they wont ever have any influence in the developer process".
what did we learn?
the same might happen to potBS. if they start to miss (imaginary?)deadlines they will be wasted. even if fanboys still believe that soe likes to throw around millions for free.
well if you go and read their forum's someone asked them about deadlines and stuff and they already stated they are in full control of all that, if they want to push something back they will and SOE has no say about it.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
It's a waste of time to try and explain it to folks who don't like SOE, they want to blame SOE for everything. For those that don't like SOE that's fine don't play the game, but let's not turn the potbs forum's into crap like you guy's have done to some of the other forums, Goes for me as well, i started to flame abit but that's not cool, so just accept that they thought this was best for their business and move on to your next game you are waiting for.
Well put, but with something extra to add for my part....I would happy come back to PotBS if FLS sign with another publisher
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this makes me VERY apprehensive about this game now. i WAS looking forward to it.. alot actually, but with SOE's involvement it's just screaming USE CAUTION WHEN APPROACHING to me.
i WILL subscribe to PotBS tho, even with those reservations, and see how it goes from there.
good luck flying labs, buckle in, it's gunna be a bumpy ride.
Flying Labs have made their choice between listening to the vocal 'SOE is the devil' minority and getting good sales from Walmart-going, 'mommy i want a piratey game' folks. And I say - good riddance. I don't want any of the narrow-minded morons making Vanguard = PotBS comparison play the same game I plan to enjoy.
Vanguard was crap. Brad wasted all the money so he went ot Sony for publishing, and then sold out completely when his idiotic Vision came about as total garbage. FlyLabs have not run out of money yet, the reason they want a full-blown publisher is making a proper launch for AAA title they have. Digi doesn't cut it. Why should they sell the company to SOE? The company that's yet to make money? If they fail, then they may, but who'll care? We won't play the game in that case, that being the reason for failure.
FL are good enough to not only taking interesting concepts from other games (quest implementation form WoW, sandbox-mode PvP and economy from EVE), but from other companies as well. They see the money-pains CCP have with digi-only. They understand the importance of boxes. They like money in a good, businesslike fashion while still being good entertainment providers. I'll gladly give them my money and I can't care less about who they pay to for doing boxed distro.
I wish them luck. I hope their game is going to be worth the time spent following it. And I don't give a damn about the name of the publisher if its distibution plans allow FL to make enough money to run PotBS and get us new content.
I'll admit to being a bit worried about this but from everything I understand about the Vanguard situation I can't say that it can be compared to this one.
All I know is that when I first started reading about PotBS and all of the subsequent reading that I have done combined with the Screenshots and Videos that I have seen, I knew that I would be trying this game. I mean, come on, who here won't even touch the Open Beta? Sure, like it has been said, plenty of people won't BUY the game as it has SOE's name on it, but personally I will be saving judgement until I get my hands on the Beta (Open or otherwise (/beg/beg/beg)).
Meh. Some folks are not going to be convinced regardless and that is fine, it's the way we work. I'm going to give it a shot though as I've lost most interest in AoC and have 0 interest in Warhammer and I am OMFGSOOOOOOBORED with WoW after playing since release...
Heh, reading the bulk of the last 200 some-odd posts makes me chuckle. SOE haters are funny, really. They are ever more zealous in their hatred of anything with SOE on the box than the actual fans of the game.
I played SWG for a year before the NGE, I got burned just like everyone else. Do I care? Not in the slightest.
(here's the secret) It's A GAME! It's simply a form of entertainment. I paid 15 bucks a month for a year or so, and every month I was entertained. At any point, should I not have been entertained, I would have canceled my subscription. At no point in time did someone from SOE hold a gun to my head and force me to pay. Sure they screwed up. Oh well! Big deal! The situation with PoTBS is completely different.
You lot are like a bunch of 3 year olds. You've had your favorite toy taken away from you. So you whine, bitch and moan about it. But unlike said 3 year olds, you guys just can't seem to find another toy to play with.
Sure, some of you will counter that by saying "NO! we have found another game to play."
My response? Obviously not, If you feel the need to come here to bash something you have NO IDEA how it will even pan out.
I've been following PoTBS for 4 years now. Since before they got the new ship models from Akella. (The old ones were hilarious... I wish I had saved the screenshots they released.) I saw this announcement, and instead of the doom and gloom so many of you seem to love, I thought "sweet, now I can go pick it up from EBgames, and not have to wait 4 hours for it to download."
Cant see how SOE will change anything for the game. If u like it u like it otherwise u dont, SOE dont have anything to do with the gameplay or anything... so whats the problem ?
The problem is that for many of us who dislike SOE immensely, playing PotBS will still be giving SOE some of our cash. And a lot of us just aren't comfortable with doing that given SOE's behavior over the last several years.
QFT.
SOE will never get a penny from me again. I will not support a company that lies and treats it's customers like absolute garbage. The fiasco of SWG and the early days of EQ2 along with some of the rudest GM's and community managers in the MMO world have confirmed they really don't give a crap about their customers.
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Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
SOE will never get a penny from me again. I will not support a company that lies and treats it's customers like absolute garbage. The fiasco of SWG and the early days of EQ2 along with some of the rudest GM's and community managers in the MMO world have confirmed they really don't give a crap about their customers.
This is where most people's arguements break down, imo. You give money EVERY SINGLE DAY to companies that have lied and have treated customers like garbage. Sorry. Fact of life, can't be avoided. How about checking out the Open Beta when it hits and then deciding if giving your money to a company like Flying Labs is worth your time?
Have the people trying to defend SOE ever played any of their games?
The "SOE Haters" don't hate SOE simply because they screwed up SWG, or blame SOE for a floundering game becoming low pop.
I think I speak for more than a few people when I say that the SOE Hate stems from the absolutely, hands down, shittiest customer service ever, the corporate minded ham fist decisions insofar as game changes are concerned, and the repugnant and blatant corporate greed show by this company.
This is the same company that integrated servers for games where you can buy in-game items, currency, and even high lvl characters for real world currency. The norm up until then was that games with no monthly fee had premium ites that could be bought with real world cash and games with a monthly fee didn't have this option. So basically they just wanted to cash in.
This is also the same company that lied to loyal, paying customers, sold them an expansion, and then turned around less than a week after the expansion's release and changed the game so much that the content in the expansion was unaccessable, not to mention the game itself was changed so much that people who had played for years left in droves.
Those are just a few examples of the way SOE treats it's customers. It's just the tip of the iceberg.
Defending SOE is like defending OJ Simpson. Everyone knows that bastard did it.
I have a feeling this game is going to flop now ;/
No one wants to play games associated with a company like that, they haven't released a single good game ever. And their customer support is terrible.
Every game that soe touches turns to dust, it doesnt matter how good it was eventually it will go to the crap house. It doesnt matter if they say they dont have controll or not.
The majority of gamers just look at the name SOE and think why should we pay to play a game that they will eventually mess up?
You lot are like a bunch of 3 year olds. You've had your favorite toy taken away from you. So you whine, bitch and moan about it. But unlike said 3 year olds, you guys just can't seem to find another toy to play with.
Sure, some of you will counter that by saying "NO! we have found another game to play."
My response? Obviously not, If you feel the need to come here to bash something you have NO IDEA how it will even pan out.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions... whether they agree with yours or not.
Of those people who do NOT intend on playing the game because of SOE, I see none of them doing any name calling because you choose to continue to support PotBS.
Who's acting like the 3 year old now?
_________________________________ JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
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If someone refuses to buy the game just because SOE is handling the distribution of the game, then that's fine with me. That's just the kind of illogical and fanatical player that I'll be happy to not have participating in the same game world as myself. Good riddance to ignorant rubbish as far as I'm concerned.
I know the history of SWG and Vanguard all too well, and I am quite content to know that POTBS has absolutely nothing to do in any way shape or form with those games. If POTBS fails, it will be because of Flying Labs, NOT SOE.
POTBS username:yohorumrunner
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Almost all companies messed up.
But did SOE actually cancel 3 MMORPGs like EA did?
At least Pirates of the burning sea will be out and about, as the list of successful independent MMORPGs is not so long.
With SOE on it, this game is now on my list as one never to try.
I will never touch anything SOE puts out no matter what the game.
I learned my lesson with SWG.
Years of my time thrown out by a complete garbage expansion that totally screwed all their vets and longest SWG supporters.
Screw you SOE
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I am surprised the few big ones trying to dominate the MMORPG market don't buy more of their independant competitors.
EA, the biggest games publisher definitely has to strengthen its online presence
i think soes fault was as usual to actually believe the hype. vanguard should have crashed&burned before. m$ droped it for a reason.
but fact is that they DID pull the plug. and that they were thus in fact controlling the fate of sigil(all van&sigil boys said otherwise). nothing with a fancy-dreamy-fanboy-ish "oh, they just like to throw around millions, you know. they wont ever have any influence in the developer process".
what did we learn?
the same might happen to potBS. if they start to miss (imaginary?)deadlines they will be wasted. even if fanboys still believe that soe likes to throw around millions for free.
And what if SOE took it over? Then what? It was still developed by Flying Labs, so if it fails, it was still Flying Labs fault, not SOEs. Just like you keep trying to use V:SoH as an example and are completely wrong about. Sigil still developed the game, but because Brad is an idiot, the game failed to launch properly and all SOE did was allow for the game to even launch and stay alive. Your hating SOE for giving MMOs a chance and all because of what? I really don't know.
It's a waste of time to try and explain it to folks who don't like SOE, they want to blame SOE for everything.
For those that don't like SOE that's fine don't play the game, but let's not turn the potbs forum's into crap like you guy's have done to some of the other forums, Goes for me as well, i started to flame abit but that's not cool, so just accept that they thought this was best for their business and move on to your next game you are waiting for.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
i think soes fault was as usual to actually believe the hype. vanguard should have crashed&burned before. m$ droped it for a reason.
but fact is that they DID pull the plug. and that they were thus in fact controlling the fate of sigil(all van&sigil boys said otherwise). nothing with a fancy-dreamy-fanboy-ish "oh, they just like to throw around millions, you know. they wont ever have any influence in the developer process".
what did we learn?
the same might happen to potBS. if they start to miss (imaginary?)deadlines they will be wasted. even if fanboys still believe that soe likes to throw around millions for free.
well if you go and read their forum's someone asked them about deadlines and stuff and they already stated they are in full control of all that, if they want to push something back they will and SOE has no say about it.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Well put, but with something extra to add for my part....I would happy come back to PotBS if FLS sign with another publisher
I Reject your Reality and Substitute it with My Own!
okay?
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
*sigh*
this makes me VERY apprehensive about this game now. i WAS looking forward to it.. alot actually, but with SOE's involvement it's just screaming USE CAUTION WHEN APPROACHING to me.
i WILL subscribe to PotBS tho, even with those reservations, and see how it goes from there.
good luck flying labs, buckle in, it's gunna be a bumpy ride.
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Haha, Classic!! I couldn't have.....err....I mean I could have said it better
I Reject your Reality and Substitute it with My Own!
Flying Labs have made their choice between listening to the vocal 'SOE is the devil' minority and getting good sales from Walmart-going, 'mommy i want a piratey game' folks. And I say - good riddance. I don't want any of the narrow-minded morons making Vanguard = PotBS comparison play the same game I plan to enjoy.
Vanguard was crap. Brad wasted all the money so he went ot Sony for publishing, and then sold out completely when his idiotic Vision came about as total garbage. FlyLabs have not run out of money yet, the reason they want a full-blown publisher is making a proper launch for AAA title they have. Digi doesn't cut it. Why should they sell the company to SOE? The company that's yet to make money? If they fail, then they may, but who'll care? We won't play the game in that case, that being the reason for failure.
FL are good enough to not only taking interesting concepts from other games (quest implementation form WoW, sandbox-mode PvP and economy from EVE), but from other companies as well. They see the money-pains CCP have with digi-only. They understand the importance of boxes. They like money in a good, businesslike fashion while still being good entertainment providers. I'll gladly give them my money and I can't care less about who they pay to for doing boxed distro.
I wish them luck. I hope their game is going to be worth the time spent following it. And I don't give a damn about the name of the publisher if its distibution plans allow FL to make enough money to run PotBS and get us new content.
Huge marketing mistake associating with SOE. I won't even try PotBS now.
I'll admit to being a bit worried about this but from everything I understand about the Vanguard situation I can't say that it can be compared to this one.
All I know is that when I first started reading about PotBS and all of the subsequent reading that I have done combined with the Screenshots and Videos that I have seen, I knew that I would be trying this game. I mean, come on, who here won't even touch the Open Beta? Sure, like it has been said, plenty of people won't BUY the game as it has SOE's name on it, but personally I will be saving judgement until I get my hands on the Beta (Open or otherwise (/beg/beg/beg)).
Meh. Some folks are not going to be convinced regardless and that is fine, it's the way we work. I'm going to give it a shot though as I've lost most interest in AoC and have 0 interest in Warhammer and I am OMFGSOOOOOOBORED with WoW after playing since release...
GL HF
Heh, reading the bulk of the last 200 some-odd posts makes me chuckle. SOE haters are funny, really. They are ever more zealous in their hatred of anything with SOE on the box than the actual fans of the game.
I played SWG for a year before the NGE, I got burned just like everyone else. Do I care? Not in the slightest.
(here's the secret) It's A GAME! It's simply a form of entertainment. I paid 15 bucks a month for a year or so, and every month I was entertained. At any point, should I not have been entertained, I would have canceled my subscription. At no point in time did someone from SOE hold a gun to my head and force me to pay. Sure they screwed up. Oh well! Big deal! The situation with PoTBS is completely different.
You lot are like a bunch of 3 year olds. You've had your favorite toy taken away from you. So you whine, bitch and moan about it. But unlike said 3 year olds, you guys just can't seem to find another toy to play with.
Sure, some of you will counter that by saying "NO! we have found another game to play."
My response? Obviously not, If you feel the need to come here to bash something you have NO IDEA how it will even pan out.
I've been following PoTBS for 4 years now. Since before they got the new ship models from Akella. (The old ones were hilarious... I wish I had saved the screenshots they released.) I saw this announcement, and instead of the doom and gloom so many of you seem to love, I thought "sweet, now I can go pick it up from EBgames, and not have to wait 4 hours for it to download."
I honestly think this is the funniest thread I've ever read.
The problem is that for many of us who dislike SOE immensely, playing PotBS will still be giving SOE some of our cash. And a lot of us just aren't comfortable with doing that given SOE's behavior over the last several years.
QFT.
SOE will never get a penny from me again. I will not support a company that lies and treats it's customers like absolute garbage. The fiasco of SWG and the early days of EQ2 along with some of the rudest GM's and community managers in the MMO world have confirmed they really don't give a crap about their customers.
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Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
This game was on the top of my list of games I was looking forward too. Wow this is bad news.
This is where most people's arguements break down, imo. You give money EVERY SINGLE DAY to companies that have lied and have treated customers like garbage. Sorry. Fact of life, can't be avoided. How about checking out the Open Beta when it hits and then deciding if giving your money to a company like Flying Labs is worth your time?
Have the people trying to defend SOE ever played any of their games?
The "SOE Haters" don't hate SOE simply because they screwed up SWG, or blame SOE for a floundering game becoming low pop.
I think I speak for more than a few people when I say that the SOE Hate stems from the absolutely, hands down, shittiest customer service ever, the corporate minded ham fist decisions insofar as game changes are concerned, and the repugnant and blatant corporate greed show by this company.
This is the same company that integrated servers for games where you can buy in-game items, currency, and even high lvl characters for real world currency. The norm up until then was that games with no monthly fee had premium ites that could be bought with real world cash and games with a monthly fee didn't have this option. So basically they just wanted to cash in.
This is also the same company that lied to loyal, paying customers, sold them an expansion, and then turned around less than a week after the expansion's release and changed the game so much that the content in the expansion was unaccessable, not to mention the game itself was changed so much that people who had played for years left in droves.
Those are just a few examples of the way SOE treats it's customers. It's just the tip of the iceberg.
Defending SOE is like defending OJ Simpson. Everyone knows that bastard did it.
I have a feeling this game is going to flop now ;/
No one wants to play games associated with a company like that, they haven't released a single good game ever. And their customer support is terrible.
Every game that soe touches turns to dust, it doesnt matter how good it was eventually it will go to the crap house. It doesnt matter if they say they dont have controll or not.
The majority of gamers just look at the name SOE and think why should we pay to play a game that they will eventually mess up?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions... whether they agree with yours or not.
Of those people who do NOT intend on playing the game because of SOE, I see none of them doing any name calling because you choose to continue to support PotBS.
Who's acting like the 3 year old now?
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
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