Well, I won't be trying it now. I'm glad for those people that have followed this game closely that they got a distributor - but SOE isn't the only one they could have chosen...
I won't comment or rant as to the 'why'. I'm not a whiner or a 'cry baby' but I, like others (who knows how many or few after all), have made a decision and it would be a bit two-faced to turn around and say "well, perhaps just this one game"
All of you people moaning about how bad SoE customer service is should read the whole devlog. Guess who's handling that aspect, and it's not SoE.
Flying Lab Software
• Game Development
• Community
• Customer Support
• Server Operations Sony Online Entertainment
• Billing
• Launcher
• Retail Distribution
• Localization
• Marketing
On a side note, I've used the SoE billing system for years without any issues. I played EQ1 for 5 or so, and I played a few others (EQ2, VG for a month. Infantry, oh how I miss thee).
If you followed Vanguard you would notice that this press release reads exactly like the first one for Vanguard. I had no idea this game was in this much trouble. I was wondering why the delayed release, now we know why. This game is done.
Better have a link for that original press release.
All of you people moaning about how bad SoE customer service is should read the whole devlog. Guess who's handling that aspect, and it's not SoE.
Flying Lab Software
• Game Development
• Community
• Customer Support
• Server Operations Sony Online Entertainment
• Billing
• Launcher
• Retail Distribution
• Localization
• Marketing
On a side note, I've used the SoE billing system for years without any issues. I played EQ1 for 5 or so, and I played a few others (EQ2, VG for a month. Infantry, oh how I miss thee).
If you followed Vanguard you would notice that this press release reads exactly like the first one for Vanguard. I had no idea this game was in this much trouble. I was wondering why the delayed release, now we know why. This game is done.
Better have a link for that original press release.
I'll back Tnice. It was the exact same deal with Vangaurd. And everyone who has a clue about what SOE is all about knew exacltly what was gonna happen. And lo and behold it did.
Everyone over at FLS is currently mesmerized by all the quick and easy money they are going to make from this deal, but six months from now when the wolf show there teeth they'll be whistling an entirely different tune, and we'll be proven right yet again.
....SOE has many fans and just as many haters, but it cannot be argued that they haven't been successful, and I think that Pirates of the Burning Sea will be successful with SOE publishing it. I can only wonder about the future, though, and I can't help but imagine the game being in SOE's hands at some point later down the line.
If by successful you mean taking a sure-fire hit like the Star Wars franchise and turning it into a steaming pile of subscriberless shit.........
Let me explain to you how SOE's Platform Publishing works.....
Do you think that SOE does it out of the kindness of their black hearts? Don't bet on that shit.
Platform Publishing is a SCAM perpetrated by SOE to take control of independent franchises. First they promise to do all your marketing and distribution, but the trick is.....they do it very poorly and as cheaply as possible to insure a crippled launch, because just as everyone else has learned, MMORPGs rarely succeed with a poor launch.
Of course it wasn't mentioned by Flying Labs that there is a clause in the contract that REQUIRES that certain projections be met. These projections are very difficult to meet with SOEs paltry support, and why would SOE want them to be met? Because of the money that SOE supposedly fronts for marketing, server support, publishing, and distribution on paper, Flying Labs MUST meet these projections or subsequently forfeit many rights to their own game.
Case in Point: Vanguard: SOH. Examine the advertising that SOE did for that game.........if you could even call it that. They would have generated more hype by making phone calls. Granted I'm certain that Vanguard's contract was worse, but make no mistake......
SOE is in this shit to win this shit!
BOTTOM LINE!
Dude Sigil killed Vanguard it was a SHITTY game...SOE did everything it could within bounds of the contract. When Sigil's continued decline into red saw no end the heads at Sigil (some of which hadnt' been in the office in months) sold to Sony in order to keep the game online and try and recover funds that were lost.
How do you even know there is such a clause? Do you just post flat out lies in order to sustain your hate for SOE because they haxor'd SWG? Because otherwise your entire post is nothing but flaming lies.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
All of you people moaning about how bad SoE customer service is should read the whole devlog. Guess who's handling that aspect, and it's not SoE.
Flying Lab Software
• Game Development
• Community
• Customer Support
• Server Operations Sony Online Entertainment
• Billing
• Launcher
• Retail Distribution
• Localization
• Marketing
On a side note, I've used the SoE billing system for years without any issues. I played EQ1 for 5 or so, and I played a few others (EQ2, VG for a month. Infantry, oh how I miss thee).
If you followed Vanguard you would notice that this press release reads exactly like the first one for Vanguard. I had no idea this game was in this much trouble. I was wondering why the delayed release, now we know why. This game is done.
Except for the part where SOE was FUNDING (READ: MILLIONS) the rest of the devlopment for vanguard....This isnt the case for Flying Lab..
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Except for the part where SOE was FUNDING (READ: MILLIONS) the rest of the devlopment for vanguard....This isnt the case for Flying Lab..
I would love to see where you got that SOE was throwing "millions" into development. If memory serves, EQ2 had a development budget of around 3 million dollars total... and Vanguard isn't THAT much better than EQ2.
If you have a link to back up your claim, I would love to see it.
Why is there all this hating and flaming going around ? They allready pointed out that SOE has nothing to do with the development of the game at all. Sony Online Entertainment
• Billing
• Launcher
• Retail Distribution
• Localization
• Marketing
So please drop the hating, as you can see they have no influence of the game , their just good at handling money.
This is exactly what was said about Sigil & Vanguard when SOE got involved... now look at the situation.
Besides... SOE isn't exactly all that good at much of that.
IMHO You can't blame SOE for Vanguard, M$ are the ones who dropped the ball on that, without SOE coming along Vanguard probably would never have been released.
Whoa, it's Microsoft's fault?
Sigil was developing the game and kept going back for more money and time...Brad kept stating rather ambigiuously that mmo development has to be flexible.. "What if a technology doesn't work out? What if you find a better way to do something? You have to be flexible. Especially in pre-production. They wanted everything systematically and that it would take exactly this amount of time, this amount of art assets, and this amount of people to make, say, a dungeon." (From f13.net/index.php)
Any manager/investor is going to want updates on their investment and start to get suspicious if a project timeline slips or goes overbudget. MS finally cut the cord realizing that they weren't getting the AAA title they desired.
Except for the part where SOE was FUNDING (READ: MILLIONS) the rest of the devlopment for vanguard....This isnt the case for Flying Lab..
I would love to see where you got that SOE was throwing "millions" into development. If memory serves, EQ2 had a development budget of around 3 million dollars total... and Vanguard isn't THAT much better than EQ2.
If you have a link to back up your claim, I would love to see it.
and here he talks about being out of the office looking for money to fnish the game because it was only 60% complete when they left MS: http://f13.net/index.php?itemid=562
And as we know from recent acqusition, Sigil wasn't doing well enough in sales and was running out of funding. Being familiar with SOE, SOE bough them to provide the financing necessary.
When all is said and done, yes Vanguard and PotBS are signing the same deal but the fact is, in neither case did SOE ahve control. The responsility rested/will rest with the developer to make the game successful based on actual gameplay. In Vanguard's case, Sigil released a piss-poor game, wasn't making enough revenues to cover it's costs and money was running out thus resulting in the SOE acquisition thereby letting SOE make decisions on development of the game.
FLS currently has enough money to go through the motnions of releasing by itself so they're lsaving money by bringing SOE into the fold as well as expanding their opportunity to be successful through exposure to more customers via brick and mortar. Will PotBS be a success? Who knows--I'm not the fan I once was for the game but that doesn't matter-- but the fact is that if PotBS flops, it wil be the fault of FLS not SOE. IF FLS flops will, SOE buy it? Well, they have a far more vested interest doing so now that they're partners than if FLS just flopped on its own (although they picked up MXO after it released and flopped as well.)
The point is, give the SOE bashing a rest--If you're boycotting SOE becaus3e of bad customer service or topunish them for SWG, that's fine, but it's not relevant to draw associations between the two games (VG and PotBS) as the circumstances are entirely different.
and here he talks about being out of the office looking for money to fnish the game because it was only 60% complete when they left MS: http://f13.net/index.php?itemid=562 And as we know from recent acqusition, Sigil wasn't doing well enough in sales and was running out of funding. Being familiar with SOE, SOE bough them to provide the financing necessary.
Oh, I don't coubt that SOE bought them because they were struggling... but it wasn't to "help" them. It took a potential competitor off the market, and put it in their own line-up. I do seriously doubt a $30,000,000 development cost.
The point is, give the SOE bashing a rest--If you're boycotting SOE becaus3e of bad customer service or topunish them for SWG, that's fine, but it's not relevant to draw associations between the two games (VG and PotBS) as the circumstances are entirely different.
I am not going to give SOE "bashing" a rest. Not going to happen. Whether it is here, on another forum, in a blog, in a podcast, anywhere. I will continue to present my case against SOE. If you don't want to read it... block me. Just remember that you will not be able to counter my points if you can't see them.
As for Sigil and FLS... the arrangements with SOE are similar, and I won't be in the least surprised if FLS gets swallowed. Besides... isn't a little bit of a conflict of interest to provide such a service to a competitor? Seems to fly in the face of good business sense on SOE's part... unless they know something we don't.
Apparently you are the only one that does not know this. My sources? Gamasutra, FOH, F13, ETC...
Oh will you just link the articles in question? It's easy to spout off numbers and claim you found them somewhere. If you can cite your sources, actually cite them, then I will be satisfied that you aren't full of crap.
The point is, give the SOE bashing a rest--If you're boycotting SOE becaus3e of bad customer service or topunish them for SWG, that's fine, but it's not relevant to draw associations between the two games (VG and PotBS) as the circumstances are entirely different.
I am not going to give SOE "bashing" a rest. Not going to happen. Whether it is here, on another forum, in a blog, in a podcast, anywhere. I will continue to present my case against SOE. If you don't want to read it... block me. Just remember that you will not be able to counter my points if you can't see them.
As for Sigil and FLS... the arrangements with SOE are similar, and I won't be in the least surprised if FLS gets swallowed. Besides... isn't a little bit of a conflict of interest to provide such a service to a competitor? Seems to fly in the face of good business sense on SOE's part... unless they know something we don't.
I really don't like to block people because even if they are complete nits, occasionally they make good points. But see, you're far too overzealous (like many others) and want to play this game of last word. *shrug* I've countered everyone's points and it's unnecessary repetition (for me) at this point.
Apparently you are the only one that does not know this. My sources? Gamasutra, FOH, F13, ETC...
Oh will you just link the articles in question? It's easy to spout off numbers and claim you found them somewhere. If you can cite your sources, actually cite them, then I will be satisfied that you aren't full of crap.
No, i dont care to take the time with someone who wont beleave the facts in there face.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Seriously, can you guys take it to the "I'm mad at SOE" threads please? This isn't a constructive discussion anymore, just a 2-player superiority contest.
With all due respect, MrBloodworth, you're only succeeding in feeding the fire now. And Dreneth, I think we all know your standpoint on this topic. You feel burned in someway and are boycotting SOE, and an independent game company. This argument is just pointless now, and belongs in the appropriate thread, so that those that want to discuss the deal can do so in constructive peace.
It's one thing to criticize, another thing to be negative, but jacking threads with these kinds of arguments don't help anyone at all. In fact, they're destructive, and lead to even less willingness by developers to come and communicate here.
The minority of SOE haters here isn't large, its just vocal. But then, those that shout the loudest often have very little to say.
Back to the topic at hand, the deal is highly interesting. Perhaps it will be the springboard for more indie developers wanting to see a greater push behind their game. Pity for me that AoC and Hero's Journey won't be Station Pass. That'd be just perfect!
Seems like a really silly argument between Bloodworth and Dreneth.
I will say this though, if Smedley were replaced at SOE, it would change things drastically. He was behind all the bad decisions that generated so much dislike for SOE.
On a further note, our Eve corp was until this morning anticipating moving to Potbs. We have over a 100 active members and Eve has been kind of stale lately with our alliance collapsing and having to move to the new regions in 0.0. The new regions are worse then I ever could have imagined. Anyways, with Potbs going to SOE the guild leader put a vote up, so far it is 67-3 to not go to Potbs. Never realized how much dislike Smedley has generated for SOE. I will guess that some will play it despite the vote, but the corp will not be moving now. I am kind of sad about that, most of us wanted to try something new.
The minority of SOE haters here isn't large, its just vocal. But then, those that shout the loudest often have very little to say.
Actually, I think it is just the opposite... I think there are more of us "SOE haters", and that most of them don't bother discussing it.
Originally posted by korvass
Back to the topic at hand, the deal is highly interesting. Perhaps it will be the springboard for more indie developers wanting to see a greater push behind their game. Pity for me that AoC and Hero's Journey won't be Station Pass. That'd be just perfect!
I disagree wholeheartedly. Independent game publishers need to move away from the idea that SOE is good for getting their product out and known. There are better ways to handle distribution, billing, and service. Every time SOE loses a customer... all of the games they carry access for take a hit. So if SWG pisses someone off... PoTBS could lose a potential client due to the association.
I think this will be more of a burden than FLS was expecting.
I’m not mad at SOE, and do not hate them. I pointed out a distinct difference in the situation between Vanguard and POTBS, however, there is no rational discussion with someone like this, i had long sience been done talking to him. If you took the time to read my postings, you would have seen that.
Oh, it is possible to have a rational discussion with me. For some reason, you and I are unable to get along however, so it is probably best we step lightly around each other to avoid further flaming.
I am easier to deal with if you leave out the personal attacks.
Whatever you say KID.
I did read your posts, MrB, but here you are still feeding this particular fire. Can you both get back to discussing the topic at hand?
I know for sure that there will be many replies to this thread, mostly stating distrust and animosity towards SOE (mostly due to their failure with SWG, I presume).
Yeah you know that will happen. But you have to ask, is it earned? There is no doubt they have the resources and expertise, its the huge management failure that people distrust. There was no changing of the guard after that debacle, so the distrust lingers.
The Vanguard situation doesn't have to repeat itself. I think they can maintain source control so long as they are interested. It whether or not the management of Flyine Labs will sell out like the Vanguard group did.
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I wasn't going to try this game, but since SoE is publishing it I am gonna give it a go, I hope is a nice game.
Well, I won't be trying it now. I'm glad for those people that have followed this game closely that they got a distributor - but SOE isn't the only one they could have chosen...
I won't comment or rant as to the 'why'. I'm not a whiner or a 'cry baby' but I, like others (who knows how many or few after all), have made a decision and it would be a bit two-faced to turn around and say "well, perhaps just this one game"
Stay Frosty
If you followed Vanguard you would notice that this press release reads exactly like the first one for Vanguard. I had no idea this game was in this much trouble. I was wondering why the delayed release, now we know why. This game is done.
Better have a link for that original press release.
If you followed Vanguard you would notice that this press release reads exactly like the first one for Vanguard. I had no idea this game was in this much trouble. I was wondering why the delayed release, now we know why. This game is done.
Better have a link for that original press release.
I'll back Tnice. It was the exact same deal with Vangaurd. And everyone who has a clue about what SOE is all about knew exacltly what was gonna happen. And lo and behold it did.
Everyone over at FLS is currently mesmerized by all the quick and easy money they are going to make from this deal, but six months from now when the wolf show there teeth they'll be whistling an entirely different tune, and we'll be proven right yet again.
Let me explain to you how SOE's Platform Publishing works.....
Do you think that SOE does it out of the kindness of their black hearts? Don't bet on that shit.
Platform Publishing is a SCAM perpetrated by SOE to take control of independent franchises. First they promise to do all your marketing and distribution, but the trick is.....they do it very poorly and as cheaply as possible to insure a crippled launch, because just as everyone else has learned, MMORPGs rarely succeed with a poor launch.
Of course it wasn't mentioned by Flying Labs that there is a clause in the contract that REQUIRES that certain projections be met. These projections are very difficult to meet with SOEs paltry support, and why would SOE want them to be met? Because of the money that SOE supposedly fronts for marketing, server support, publishing, and distribution on paper, Flying Labs MUST meet these projections or subsequently forfeit many rights to their own game.
Case in Point: Vanguard: SOH. Examine the advertising that SOE did for that game.........if you could even call it that. They would have generated more hype by making phone calls. Granted I'm certain that Vanguard's contract was worse, but make no mistake......
SOE is in this shit to win this shit!
BOTTOM LINE!
Dude Sigil killed Vanguard it was a SHITTY game...SOE did everything it could within bounds of the contract. When Sigil's continued decline into red saw no end the heads at Sigil (some of which hadnt' been in the office in months) sold to Sony in order to keep the game online and try and recover funds that were lost.How do you even know there is such a clause? Do you just post flat out lies in order to sustain your hate for SOE because they haxor'd SWG? Because otherwise your entire post is nothing but flaming lies.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
If you followed Vanguard you would notice that this press release reads exactly like the first one for Vanguard. I had no idea this game was in this much trouble. I was wondering why the delayed release, now we know why. This game is done.
Except for the part where SOE was FUNDING (READ: MILLIONS) the rest of the devlopment for vanguard....This isnt the case for Flying Lab..
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
If you have a link to back up your claim, I would love to see it.
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This is exactly what was said about Sigil & Vanguard when SOE got involved... now look at the situation.
Besides... SOE isn't exactly all that good at much of that.
IMHO You can't blame SOE for Vanguard, M$ are the ones who dropped the ball on that, without SOE coming along Vanguard probably would never have been released.
Whoa, it's Microsoft's fault?Sigil was developing the game and kept going back for more money and time...Brad kept stating rather ambigiuously that mmo development has to be flexible.. "What if a technology doesn't work out? What if you find a better way to do something? You have to be flexible. Especially in pre-production. They wanted everything systematically and that it would take exactly this amount of time, this amount of art assets, and this amount of people to make, say, a dungeon." (From f13.net/index.php)
Any manager/investor is going to want updates on their investment and start to get suspicious if a project timeline slips or goes overbudget. MS finally cut the cord realizing that they weren't getting the AAA title they desired.
If you have a link to back up your claim, I would love to see it.
Not sure about millions but here McQuaid is quoted as saying they ran out of money: www.brokentoys.org/2007/03/12/unleash-nerd-fury/
and here he talks about being out of the office looking for money to fnish the game because it was only 60% complete when they left MS: http://f13.net/index.php?itemid=562
And as we know from recent acqusition, Sigil wasn't doing well enough in sales and was running out of funding. Being familiar with SOE, SOE bough them to provide the financing necessary.
When all is said and done, yes Vanguard and PotBS are signing the same deal but the fact is, in neither case did SOE ahve control. The responsility rested/will rest with the developer to make the game successful based on actual gameplay. In Vanguard's case, Sigil released a piss-poor game, wasn't making enough revenues to cover it's costs and money was running out thus resulting in the SOE acquisition thereby letting SOE make decisions on development of the game.
FLS currently has enough money to go through the motnions of releasing by itself so they're lsaving money by bringing SOE into the fold as well as expanding their opportunity to be successful through exposure to more customers via brick and mortar. Will PotBS be a success? Who knows--I'm not the fan I once was for the game but that doesn't matter-- but the fact is that if PotBS flops, it wil be the fault of FLS not SOE. IF FLS flops will, SOE buy it? Well, they have a far more vested interest doing so now that they're partners than if FLS just flopped on its own (although they picked up MXO after it released and flopped as well.)
The point is, give the SOE bashing a rest--If you're boycotting SOE becaus3e of bad customer service or topunish them for SWG, that's fine, but it's not relevant to draw associations between the two games (VG and PotBS) as the circumstances are entirely different.
Oh, I don't coubt that SOE bought them because they were struggling... but it wasn't to "help" them. It took a potential competitor off the market, and put it in their own line-up. I do seriously doubt a $30,000,000 development cost.
Either way... SOE is a bad decision for PoTBS.
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I am not going to give SOE "bashing" a rest. Not going to happen. Whether it is here, on another forum, in a blog, in a podcast, anywhere. I will continue to present my case against SOE. If you don't want to read it... block me. Just remember that you will not be able to counter my points if you can't see them.
As for Sigil and FLS... the arrangements with SOE are similar, and I won't be in the least surprised if FLS gets swallowed. Besides... isn't a little bit of a conflict of interest to provide such a service to a competitor? Seems to fly in the face of good business sense on SOE's part... unless they know something we don't.
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Oh will you just link the articles in question? It's easy to spout off numbers and claim you found them somewhere. If you can cite your sources, actually cite them, then I will be satisfied that you aren't full of crap.
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I am not going to give SOE "bashing" a rest. Not going to happen. Whether it is here, on another forum, in a blog, in a podcast, anywhere. I will continue to present my case against SOE. If you don't want to read it... block me. Just remember that you will not be able to counter my points if you can't see them.
As for Sigil and FLS... the arrangements with SOE are similar, and I won't be in the least surprised if FLS gets swallowed. Besides... isn't a little bit of a conflict of interest to provide such a service to a competitor? Seems to fly in the face of good business sense on SOE's part... unless they know something we don't.
I really don't like to block people because even if they are complete nits, occasionally they make good points. But see, you're far too overzealous (like many others) and want to play this game of last word. *shrug* I've countered everyone's points and it's unnecessary repetition (for me) at this point.
Oh will you just link the articles in question? It's easy to spout off numbers and claim you found them somewhere. If you can cite your sources, actually cite them, then I will be satisfied that you aren't full of crap.
No, i dont care to take the time with someone who wont beleave the facts in there face.But the first would be here.
Won’t Sony end up buying you out the way they did Vanguard?
The difficulties Sigil had with Vanguard have been pretty well publicized at this point. We’re in a very different situation financially and have no fear of shutting down. A lot of independent studios have just enough money to shove the game out the door and then go bankrupt if they don’t have their next project already financed. We are very, very fortunate to not be in that situation. We’re self-financed and beholden to no one. Flying Lab is in good shape. We made this decision because we wanted to, not because we had to.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Seriously, can you guys take it to the "I'm mad at SOE" threads please? This isn't a constructive discussion anymore, just a 2-player superiority contest.
With all due respect, MrBloodworth, you're only succeeding in feeding the fire now. And Dreneth, I think we all know your standpoint on this topic. You feel burned in someway and are boycotting SOE, and an independent game company. This argument is just pointless now, and belongs in the appropriate thread, so that those that want to discuss the deal can do so in constructive peace.
It's one thing to criticize, another thing to be negative, but jacking threads with these kinds of arguments don't help anyone at all. In fact, they're destructive, and lead to even less willingness by developers to come and communicate here.
The minority of SOE haters here isn't large, its just vocal. But then, those that shout the loudest often have very little to say.
Back to the topic at hand, the deal is highly interesting. Perhaps it will be the springboard for more indie developers wanting to see a greater push behind their game. Pity for me that AoC and Hero's Journey won't be Station Pass. That'd be just perfect!
Seems like a really silly argument between Bloodworth and Dreneth.
I will say this though, if Smedley were replaced at SOE, it would change things drastically. He was behind all the bad decisions that generated so much dislike for SOE.
On a further note, our Eve corp was until this morning anticipating moving to Potbs. We have over a 100 active members and Eve has been kind of stale lately with our alliance collapsing and having to move to the new regions in 0.0. The new regions are worse then I ever could have imagined. Anyways, with Potbs going to SOE the guild leader put a vote up, so far it is 67-3 to not go to Potbs. Never realized how much dislike Smedley has generated for SOE. I will guess that some will play it despite the vote, but the corp will not be moving now. I am kind of sad about that, most of us wanted to try something new.
Actually, I think it is just the opposite... I think there are more of us "SOE haters", and that most of them don't bother discussing it.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Independent game publishers need to move away from the idea that SOE is good for getting their product out and known. There are better ways to handle distribution, billing, and service. Every time SOE loses a customer... all of the games they carry access for take a hit. So if SWG pisses someone off... PoTBS could lose a potential client due to the association.
I think this will be more of a burden than FLS was expecting.
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Oh, it is possible to have a rational discussion with me. For some reason, you and I are unable to get along however, so it is probably best we step lightly around each other to avoid further flaming.
I am easier to deal with if you leave out the personal attacks.
Whatever you say KID.
I did read your posts, MrB, but here you are still feeding this particular fire. Can you both get back to discussing the topic at hand?
The Vanguard situation doesn't have to repeat itself. I think they can maintain source control so long as they are interested. It whether or not the management of Flyine Labs will sell out like the Vanguard group did.
Fuck. I was so excited about this game.
But I hate SOE so much that I'm considering not buying it now.