The review is interesting but I would disagree with a number of his views.
From the reviewers point of view more options in character appearance customization is always a good thing and therefor EQ2 wins. I dont think more options always = better. If your given 2000 customizable options and they are all ugly I would rather stick with the game that only gives me 20 options but with most of them looking good.
EQ2 has a more advanced engine with the capability to produce much more impressive graphics overall, but at least from my point of view the art style is atrocious to non existant, at least for character models. WoW is a much less advanced engine with greater limits but the art style is very impressive to me.
When it comes to gameplay WoW has very little that is new or exciting (though I think it will be a good mmorpg and better then most that are currently out) unlike EQ2 which is going with a very different and interactive combat system, a much larger diverse selection of classes, a new design and level of detail in player and guild housing, much more interactive instanced encounters and plenty of just fun extras added in for that increased level of immersion and entertainment.
The extra mile that SoE is going with EQ2 might also be a deciding factor for many. Voice overs if done well may well move the game to a new level we have never experienced before in a mmorpg and be unwilling to live without after. Hopefully they really will be done well.
There is little question im my mind both games will be very successful. I think WoW might get higher sales in the short term but EQ2 will probably do a little better in the long term. At least thats my prediction.
Most important to me is that they both do very well. Having two excellent mmorpgs on the market to choose from would be a first and something I could definitly live with.
Originally posted by Misti The review is interesting but I would disagree with a number of his views. From the reviewers point of view more options in character appearance customization is always a good thing and therefor EQ2 wins. I dont think more options always = better. If your given 2000 customizable options and they are all ugly I would rather stick with the game that only gives me 20 options but with most of them looking good. EQ2 has a more advanced engine with the capability to produce much more impressive graphics overall, but at least from my point of view the art style is atrocious to non existant, at least for character models. WoW is a much less advanced engine with greater limits but the art style is very impressive to me. When it comes to gameplay WoW has very little that is new or exciting (though I think it will be a good mmorpg and better then most that are currently out) unlike EQ2 which is going with a very different and interactive combat system, a much larger diverse selection of classes, a new design and level of detail in player and guild housing, much more interactive instanced encounters and plenty of just fun extras added in for that increased level of immersion and entertainment. The extra mile that SoE is going with EQ2 might also be a deciding factor for many. Voice overs if done well may well move the game to a new level we have never experienced before in a mmorpg and be unwilling to live without after. Hopefully they really will be done well. There is little question im my mind both games will be very successful. I think WoW might get higher sales in the short term but EQ2 will probably do a little better in the long term. At least thats my prediction. Most important to me is that they both do very well. Having two excellent mmorpgs on the market to choose from would be a first and something I could definitly live with.
Agreed!Who cares which is better as long as both are good.Then you can pick according to preference.
I have higher hopes for mmorpg then i did a few months back.To me ,after a horrible downslide mmorpgs are actually picking up with CoH starting a comeback thread of fun mmorpg.
So hopefully EQ2 and WoW would both be great games.
Great topic, it's like shouting "Bomb" in a crowded theater and running out.
I love trying to compare two games that aren't complete.
It's allot like asking what's better: Star Trek or Star Wars? Dogs or Cats? Pie or Cake?
-=-=-=-=- "We're a game that's focused on grouping and on solo play, you know, more group oriented, more solo play..." John Blakely Senior lead for EQ2. Link
Bartle: A: 93% E: 55% S:3% K: 50% The Test. Learn what it means here.
-=-=-=-=- Achievers realise that killers as a concept are necessary in order to make achievement meaningful and worthwhile (there being no way to "lose" the game if any fool can "win" just by plodding slowly unchallenged). -bartle
Bartle: A: 93% E: 55% S:3% K: 50% The Test. Learn what it means here.
I think the most important comparisons have yet to be done. EQ2 is more geared toward solo and single group play. They said a big raid would be four groups, but it will be geared more for single group raids. I believe WoW on the other hand will have larger raids (haven't seen any numbers for sure though). But if WoW is much more geared for the raiding game, and EQ2 is much more geared for solo and single group play, then the two games will be reaching for different bases.
I just have to look at what I believed ruined EQ for me. Yes, I know you think I am going to say SOE, and it is true. But I think the reason they ruined the game was because they bent over backwards to please the bleeding edge power gamers. Now, there is nothing wrong with those gamers (I went through that stage myself), but they chew up and spit out extreme amounts of content. And if a company spends all their time trying to please (and slow down) those gamers, they neglect the larger part of their subscriber base which just doesn't have the time and/or desire to dedicate their life to that style of play. And since all the really big, bleeding edge guilds in EQ seem to be migrating toward WoW, that gives EQ2 an edge in my eyes.
Of course, it doesn't matter that much. I am just hoping one of these games is good enough to keep me entertained until Vanguard comes out.
Originally posted by n2sooners I think the most important comparisons have yet to be done. EQ2 is more geared toward solo and single group play. They said a big raid would be four groups, but it will be geared more for single group raids. I believe WoW on the other hand will have larger raids (haven't seen any numbers for sure though). But if WoW is much more geared for the raiding game, and EQ2 is much more geared for solo and single group play, then the two games will be reaching for different bases.
That's right, EQ2 is designed for solo and group play, you know more solo play, more group play.
And for WoW how knows, I don't recall reading anywhere that it would have large (or small) raids. I don't think a high end game for WoW exists yet.
-=-=-=-=- "We're a game that's focused on grouping and on solo play, you know, more group oriented, more solo play..." John Blakely Senior lead for EQ2. Link
Bartle: A: 93% E: 55% S:3% K: 50% The Test. Learn what it means here.
-=-=-=-=- Achievers realise that killers as a concept are necessary in order to make achievement meaningful and worthwhile (there being no way to "lose" the game if any fool can "win" just by plodding slowly unchallenged). -bartle
Bartle: A: 93% E: 55% S:3% K: 50% The Test. Learn what it means here.
You know i presonally think it is completely up to the type of game the person likes to play, I am much more excited about eq2 than wow simply because i've wasted so much time playing eq that is in my blood and it is an amazing game. No one really knows which will be bigger but eq2 is gonna have such a huge crowd immediatley when it starts up because of the sickingly large amount of people who play eq, not to say wow won't have a huge fan base but eq is just such a largely known game, i mean who can say they've never heard of eq.
I will try and play them both because i wanna see it with my own eyes how they are. I will give both a chance to win my heart but there are some other mmorpg coming thta i wanna try too so it will be an expensive year.
I think EQ2 is a bit larger and more choices available then WoW
One day all will die, surely you but never I.
"One day all will die, surely you but never I." Wheel of Time
i think the 2 mmorpgs can't be comparised, since both have a diffirent way of creating a game. i think Blizzard always finish their games really good. no 1034 patches to make the game complete, but just finish it like everyone should do. they've worked for 5 years on this project and their main-objective is to create fun(kinda reminds me of the spongebob episode with plankton .. aw never mind) i've never played EQ, nor have i played a mmorpg(wow was the first to interest me) but i think too many people are lured to eq2 because of the huge succes EQ had, but that's just my opinion. as i stated before, i've never played the game..
D2, the most popular mmorpg ever was created by blizzard, and i think they will be able to do the same with WoW. so far, they are doing a great job(i've played the game myself a few times), but perhaps im biased(and a fanboi) and i see eq2 as the rival/enemy .. perhaps i should play the game sometimes
By saying D2 is a mmorpg, you are luring the wrath of the many cyberboys waiting to kick up a super flame war tat will last till the end of time.
the thing is WoW and EQ2 actually cater to a slightly different player base. One is the more traditional fantasy (EQ2) with a really expendable storyline while WoW will probably cater to those who like the WC series style fantasy which follows on the storyline. EQ2 will have the technology/mmorpg experience upperhand as this is SoE latest mmorpg while WoW have a superb QA team, major fanboy base, some really talented storyline writer behind the sceen. Its all about your choice of gamestyle and target. Anyway wats so bad about 2 good games on the market? They both will have betas for you to test so whichever you think fits your flavour join it. Theres never the best game , its wat the user thinks tat count. Unless theres really some groundbreaking earthshaking changes to this genra (yeah eq2 voice over is smth different i say ), everything will have to be seen as the time comes.
Well, I'm gonna keep this one 'short' and...sweet? Really, what I would want to say is, "OMG Warcraft + MMORPG?!?!?! MINEMINEMINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!," but the truth of the matter is, I believe these two goliaths will both fare well in the MMO arena. On one hand, you have the 'king' of MMOs (and bugs ), and on the other, a company VERY well known for top-notch products (and late releases ).
Everquest (SOE) will probably have an easier route, and a better player-base from the get-go. All the hardcore (and the not-so-hardcore as well) players I am sure will be waiting in front of the stores on the EQ2 release day. As a matter of fact, I'll be standing in line right with them! The biggest downside to EQ2 though would have to be the system req's. I'm scared! Should take a little while for EQ2 to build up along with progressing technology, as was the case with EQ1 (as a matter of fact, I'd almost bet my soul on it).
Blizzard might have a bit more of a struggle in this one though, as it is just arriving in the entire 3d gaming arena (well, sort of), and with not just one but two releases. Also, they are new in the MMORPG aspect of gaming as well. On the other hand, all the games they have made so far have had beautiful storylines and a sense of adventure, so they're not quite out on a limb.
My final take on this? I'M BUYING THEM BOTH, AS SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE!!
What the hell are you talking about WoW has a better combat system than Eq2 personnally everquest games bores me. the combat is the same over and over. im going for WoW igoing to be the best out there. Eq2 is going to be just like everquest just with some minor added stuff. WoW is going to be different than alot of games out there. There are more everquest copies than WoW so i would not be talking. anyways im looking forward to playing WoW and i hope many of you feel the same.
I personally would like to try both. I never player EQ and dont plan on doing it, but I have played warcraft and in my opinion it sucks big time.
I have been following news and previews of both games and some additions/changes to WOW has turned many people away Ex: 24 hour clock, forced rest state, etc.
EQ2 Graphics have no comparison and WOW fans need to realize and stop blinding themselves. As for gameplay.. the promises of monthly updates from Blizzard are tempting.. but wont really make anyone stay. I am tired of people saying "It's BLizzard!! they do no wrong!" Every company has its shares of messed up things. In case you dont know.. Internally each game has a department, and usually they DO NOT interfere with each other meaning that the team of EQ wont be the same for EQ2. So dont judge the game based in EQ's reputation.
Botton line, both games are being developed by huge companies and have potential to become the #1 MMORPG of the year. I hope to try them both.. but for what I have seen.. my hope really rests on EQ2 because it seems more planned and because the community seems more mature and gives better arguments for the game than... "Its Blizzard" or "SOE sucks".
One thing is becoming amazingly clear from many of the posts in this thread. It seems like half the people posting know about and adore one of the games and really have no clue about the other game. Everyone should be free to post their opinion but its a good idea to actually have some idea about the games your posting about.
Its pretty sad to hear someone so misinformed as to say EQ2 has the same combat as EQ1 or that WoW is the same as Lineage 2. Regardless of which of the two games you may be a fanatic about, I highly suggest you read up in detail on the other and watch some of the videos of the game. You may actually find the game you have written off has a lot more to offer then you think.
EQ2 has developed a new combat system that is almost unrecognizable from the original EQ if what the details and videos released so far show are true.
It is much more fluid with casters up and active rather then medding through battles. Melee characters no longer hit auto attack and sit back to watch. There is now a strategy wheel that appears in the corner of the screen that groups skills of individuals in the party, that when followed and timed correctly by everyone, unleashes special attacks or damage on the enemy. A system that sounds like a more developed version of FFXI skill chains to me.
Further encounters with groups of monsters are just that, group encounters where you will no longer be able to fake death pull them individually. After reading about and watching a video of one of these combats unfold quickly shows they are very very different then they were in the original EQ.
Im not even sure what to say about WoW being like L2 other then I don't see the similarities from what I have read or videos I have watched of the game. WoW is very quest oriented with something like 1400 quests that grant varied rewards. L2 has about 50 quests in game and all give money, adena, or a class change. WoW, though having a strong PvP element, is more PvE geared then L2.
These two games appear to be offering a lot to potential customers and its pretty hard to say at this point if both or either will actually be good but from many of the posts its clear many people don't really know enough about the opposing game to make an informed decision.
Originally posted by Misti One thing is becoming amazingly clear from many of the posts in this thread. It seems like half the people posting know about and adore one of the games and really have no clue about the other game. Everyone should be free to post their opinion but its a good idea to actually have some idea about the games your posting about.
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The review is interesting but I would disagree with a number of his views.
From the reviewers point of view more options in character appearance customization is always a good thing and therefor EQ2 wins. I dont think more options always = better. If your given 2000 customizable options and they are all ugly I would rather stick with the game that only gives me 20 options but with most of them looking good.
EQ2 has a more advanced engine with the capability to produce much more impressive graphics overall, but at least from my point of view the art style is atrocious to non existant, at least for character models. WoW is a much less advanced engine with greater limits but the art style is very impressive to me.
When it comes to gameplay WoW has very little that is new or exciting (though I think it will be a good mmorpg and better then most that are currently out) unlike EQ2 which is going with a very different and interactive combat system, a much larger diverse selection of classes, a new design and level of detail in player and guild housing, much more interactive instanced encounters and plenty of just fun extras added in for that increased level of immersion and entertainment.
The extra mile that SoE is going with EQ2 might also be a deciding factor for many. Voice overs if done well may well move the game to a new level we have never experienced before in a mmorpg and be unwilling to live without after. Hopefully they really will be done well.
There is little question im my mind both games will be very successful. I think WoW might get higher sales in the short term but EQ2 will probably do a little better in the long term. At least thats my prediction.
Most important to me is that they both do very well. Having two excellent mmorpgs on the market to choose from would be a first and something I could definitly live with.
Agreed!Who cares which is better as long as both are good.Then you can pick according to preference.
I have higher hopes for mmorpg then i did a few months back.To me ,after a horrible downslide mmorpgs are actually picking up with CoH starting a comeback thread of fun mmorpg.
So hopefully EQ2 and WoW would both be great games.
Great topic, it's like shouting "Bomb" in a crowded theater and running out.
I love trying to compare two games that aren't complete.
It's allot like asking what's better: Star Trek or Star Wars? Dogs or Cats? Pie or Cake?
-=-=-=-=-
"We're a game that's focused on grouping and on solo play, you know, more group oriented, more solo play..."
John Blakely Senior lead for EQ2. Link
Bartle: A: 93% E: 55% S:3% K: 50% The Test. Learn what it means here.
-=-=-=-=-
Achievers realise that killers as a concept are necessary in order to make achievement meaningful and worthwhile (there being no way to "lose" the game if any fool can "win" just by plodding slowly unchallenged). -bartle
Bartle: A: 93% E: 55% S:3% K: 50% The Test. Learn what it means here.
I think the most important comparisons have yet to be done. EQ2 is more geared toward solo and single group play. They said a big raid would be four groups, but it will be geared more for single group raids. I believe WoW on the other hand will have larger raids (haven't seen any numbers for sure though). But if WoW is much more geared for the raiding game, and EQ2 is much more geared for solo and single group play, then the two games will be reaching for different bases.
I just have to look at what I believed ruined EQ for me. Yes, I know you think I am going to say SOE, and it is true. But I think the reason they ruined the game was because they bent over backwards to please the bleeding edge power gamers. Now, there is nothing wrong with those gamers (I went through that stage myself), but they chew up and spit out extreme amounts of content. And if a company spends all their time trying to please (and slow down) those gamers, they neglect the larger part of their subscriber base which just doesn't have the time and/or desire to dedicate their life to that style of play. And since all the really big, bleeding edge guilds in EQ seem to be migrating toward WoW, that gives EQ2 an edge in my eyes.
Of course, it doesn't matter that much. I am just hoping one of these games is good enough to keep me entertained until Vanguard comes out.
That's right, EQ2 is designed for solo and group play, you know more solo play, more group play.
And for WoW how knows, I don't recall reading anywhere that it would have large (or small) raids. I don't think a high end game for WoW exists yet.
-=-=-=-=-
"We're a game that's focused on grouping and on solo play, you know, more group oriented, more solo play..."
John Blakely Senior lead for EQ2. Link
Bartle: A: 93% E: 55% S:3% K: 50% The Test. Learn what it means here.
-=-=-=-=-
Achievers realise that killers as a concept are necessary in order to make achievement meaningful and worthwhile (there being no way to "lose" the game if any fool can "win" just by plodding slowly unchallenged). -bartle
Bartle: A: 93% E: 55% S:3% K: 50% The Test. Learn what it means here.
I will try and play them both because i wanna see it with my own eyes how they are. I will give both a chance to win my heart but there are some other mmorpg coming thta i wanna try too so it will be an expensive year.
I think EQ2 is a bit larger and more choices available then WoW
One day all will die, surely you but never I.
"One day all will die, surely you but never I." Wheel of Time
EQ2 is a good game but it will still not have a chance against WoW!
"All makt
All makt
i think the 2 mmorpgs can't be comparised, since both have a diffirent way of creating a game. i think Blizzard always finish their games really good. no 1034 patches to make the game complete, but just finish it like everyone should do. they've worked for 5 years on this project and their main-objective is to create fun(kinda reminds me of the spongebob episode with plankton .. aw never mind) i've never played EQ, nor have i played a mmorpg(wow was the first to interest me) but i think too many people are lured to eq2 because of the huge succes EQ had, but that's just my opinion. as i stated before, i've never played the game..
D2, the most popular mmorpg ever was created by blizzard, and i think they will be able to do the same with WoW. so far, they are doing a great job(i've played the game myself a few times), but perhaps im biased(and a fanboi) and i see eq2 as the rival/enemy .. perhaps i should play the game sometimes
By saying D2 is a mmorpg, you are luring the wrath of the many cyberboys waiting to kick up a super flame war tat will last till the end of time.
the thing is WoW and EQ2 actually cater to a slightly different player base. One is the more traditional fantasy (EQ2) with a really expendable storyline while WoW will probably cater to those who like the WC series style fantasy which follows on the storyline. EQ2 will have the technology/mmorpg experience upperhand as this is SoE latest mmorpg while WoW have a superb QA team, major fanboy base, some really talented storyline writer behind the sceen. Its all about your choice of gamestyle and target. Anyway wats so bad about 2 good games on the market? They both will have betas for you to test so whichever you think fits your flavour join it. Theres never the best game , its wat the user thinks tat count. Unless theres really some groundbreaking earthshaking changes to this genra (yeah eq2 voice over is smth different i say ), everything will have to be seen as the time comes.
Why do people play game to cheat?
im gona hafta pull out the old phrase
Quality of quantity.
Wow - EQ2
nuff said.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Well, I'm gonna keep this one 'short' and...sweet? Really, what I would want to say is, "OMG Warcraft + MMORPG?!?!?! MINEMINEMINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!," but the truth of the matter is, I believe these two goliaths will both fare well in the MMO arena. On one hand, you have the 'king' of MMOs (and bugs
), and on the other, a company VERY well known for top-notch products (and late releases 
).
Everquest (SOE) will probably have an easier route, and a better player-base from the get-go. All the hardcore (and the not-so-hardcore as well) players I am sure will be waiting in front of the stores on the EQ2 release day. As a matter of fact, I'll be standing in line right with them! The biggest downside to EQ2 though would have to be the system req's. I'm scared! Should take a little while for EQ2 to build up along with progressing technology, as was the case with EQ1 (as a matter of fact, I'd almost bet my soul on it).
Blizzard might have a bit more of a struggle in this one though, as it is just arriving in the entire 3d gaming arena (well, sort of), and with not just one but two releases. Also, they are new in the MMORPG aspect of gaming as well. On the other hand, all the games they have made so far have had beautiful storylines and a sense of adventure, so they're not quite out on a limb.
My final take on this? I'M BUYING THEM BOTH, AS SHOULD EVERYONE ELSE!!
~The Dark Master~
~The Dark Master~
a job of a lorer is to preach the history of chaos with out the lorer of chaos all would be in chaos
Take a deep drink of your demon Lad, tonight we tangle with the fire in the gut.
What the hell are you talking about WoW has a better combat system than Eq2 personnally everquest games bores me. the combat is the same over and over. im going for WoW igoing to be the best out there. Eq2 is going to be just like everquest just with some minor added stuff. WoW is going to be different than alot of games out there. There are more everquest copies than WoW so i would not be talking. anyways im looking forward to playing WoW and i hope many of you feel the same.
-ArcticWolf
I personally would like to try both. I never player EQ and dont plan on doing it, but I have played warcraft and in my opinion it sucks big time.
I have been following news and previews of both games and some additions/changes to WOW has turned many people away Ex: 24 hour clock, forced rest state, etc.
EQ2 Graphics have no comparison and WOW fans need to realize and stop blinding themselves. As for gameplay.. the promises of monthly updates from Blizzard are tempting.. but wont really make anyone stay. I am tired of people saying "It's BLizzard!! they do no wrong!" Every company has its shares of messed up things. In case you dont know.. Internally each game has a department, and usually they DO NOT interfere with each other meaning that the team of EQ wont be the same for EQ2. So dont judge the game based in EQ's reputation.
Botton line, both games are being developed by huge companies and have potential to become the #1 MMORPG of the year. I hope to try them both.. but for what I have seen.. my hope really rests on EQ2 because it seems more planned and because the community seems more mature and gives better arguments for the game than... "Its Blizzard" or "SOE sucks".
One thing is becoming amazingly clear from many of the posts in this thread. It seems like half the people posting know about and adore one of the games and really have no clue about the other game. Everyone should be free to post their opinion but its a good idea to actually have some idea about the games your posting about.
Its pretty sad to hear someone so misinformed as to say EQ2 has the same combat as EQ1 or that WoW is the same as Lineage 2. Regardless of which of the two games you may be a fanatic about, I highly suggest you read up in detail on the other and watch some of the videos of the game. You may actually find the game you have written off has a lot more to offer then you think.
EQ2 has developed a new combat system that is almost unrecognizable from the original EQ if what the details and videos released so far show are true.
It is much more fluid with casters up and active rather then medding through battles. Melee characters no longer hit auto attack and sit back to watch. There is now a strategy wheel that appears in the corner of the screen that groups skills of individuals in the party, that when followed and timed correctly by everyone, unleashes special attacks or damage on the enemy. A system that sounds like a more developed version of FFXI skill chains to me.
Further encounters with groups of monsters are just that, group encounters where you will no longer be able to fake death pull them individually. After reading about and watching a video of one of these combats unfold quickly shows they are very very different then they were in the original EQ.
Im not even sure what to say about WoW being like L2 other then I don't see the similarities from what I have read or videos I have watched of the game. WoW is very quest oriented with something like 1400 quests that grant varied rewards. L2 has about 50 quests in game and all give money, adena, or a class change. WoW, though having a strong PvP element, is more PvE geared then L2.
These two games appear to be offering a lot to potential customers and its pretty hard to say at this point if both or either will actually be good but from many of the posts its clear many people don't really know enough about the opposing game to make an informed decision.
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