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Relaunch?
Hikarusai
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Every so often, since the SOE buyout, I see people talking about a relaunch... What exactly does it entail? Is it just the server merges that are approaching, or is it something different?
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It's to get the title Co-Founder.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
"Relaunch" is marketing-speak at this time. It has no meaning in game-play or game-content terms. It's a code word for an advertising campaign to get more players into the game when the game is more stable. There is a presumption that the advertising campaign will be accompanied by suitable changes. I'm quite sure such changes will be manufactured out of smoke and vapor if the advertising campaign requires it.
Yeah...people keep saying re-launch but I think that's not going to happen in a traditional sense of the word. After server merges, client stability for lower end machines and a bit of raid content and other unfinished aspects are fleshed out I believe they will remarket it a bit. Also whenever they finish up the trial island with currently available art and content they will put out a free trial to entice gamers. So not so much a relaunch as it is a marketing push.
The term refers to the date they anticipate they will fix the game and make it playable enough to offer a trial and create a trial island that has been reworked to address the performance issues. The general timeframe is sometime in 2008. You can get more details from listening to the following podcast from Dave Gilbertson, the Director of VG Development.
http://www.uberguilds.org/radio/node/110
Until then, you are paying to play game that is still in beta. It is a beta in a box.
The term refers to the date they anticipate they will fix the game and make it playable enough to offer a trial and create a trial island that has been reworked to address the performance issues. The general timeframe is sometime in 2008. You can get more details from listening to the following podcast from Dave Gilbertson, the Director or VG Development.
http://www.uberguilds.org/radio/node/110
Until then, you are paying to play game that is still in beta. It is a beta in a box.
Dave also mentioned in that interview that the "relaunch" would essentially be the "Win Back" campaign Everquest II uses: http://everquest2.station.sony.com/en/promotions/winback/
So that's about it. Nothing glorious like server resets, boxes rebranded and put on shelves again en masse with loads of fundamental game changes. The relaunch will be a trial offering after SOE feels they've fixed the game some; another death rattle really 'less they vastly improve performance.
Also, no "relaunch" has ever been successful... except possibly AO's going free and using in-game adverts...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
Kudos to SOE for taking over this game, let's hope it can get a proper dev-team, hell, afaik all the devs on it knew what they were doing, it was just complete lack of a proper leader that made it all fall
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I really would like to know some details how SOE thinks to regain customers, or gain new ones? They need to do something big... I dunno, SOMETHING. Just fixing a bit here and there and adding some small things sure is nice, but it will only keep the small population. They need some BIG BANG, something to catch attention, more than "hey we polished and fixed it, look!"
I am still so mad at Sigil for screwing this. >< It had so many good concepts. Bah. I really had hoped someone could save it, make a relaunch in the sense of the word. But after NGE I dout SOE has the stomach to make a real change, which IMVPO is was VG needs.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Has SOE said they're planning a relaunch? EQ2 is a hell of a good game now, but they haven't done one for that.
I give you a quote from the first page, as it seems you didn't bother to read anything before you posted.I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
That sucks, all they're offering is a 7 day free trial to someone who played before. They're going to have to really improve the hell out of this game, including adding a ton of content if they expect that will win anyone back.
Its an ugly trap. For all the good things VG had/has I wish it would succeed. But the clock is ticking against them. If they rush however, there is always danger to screw it, but every week without major updates, changes or at least some more detailled roadmap will cost customers. I really would not want to be in their shoes at ALL!
I cant think of anything they really can turn the tide any time soon. I hope, but I don't bet on it anymore.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Where did you read that they only was gonna offer a 7 day trial to those that played before. An where did you read that they wasn't, or are not, working as hell on this game, and where did you get that idea that they are not going to add content.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
I seriously doubt that they will even get to the point of a "relaunch". This may be the first game that SOE actually pulls the plug like Auto Assault. Maybe the Station Access can keep the plug in the wall but that is all it will be. Hard to understand why the game is still live at this point.
The best the fans of VG can hope for is just to attempt to fix the current game. New content, new gameplay, and other new development have to be in the distant future if they keep the lights on. If I were a betting man, I would say VG will close it's doors before the end of the year. VG is the biggest debacle in gaming history.
Nah, I'd say Sigil is the greatest debacle. That aside, VG released too early (SOE's decision) but they're putting work into it, getting it release-worthy. I never bought into all the hype, mainly because I'm not a fan of Brad or anything he's touched, but with him essentially out of the picture and SOE providing funding for VG, I'm at least optimistic that it will be completed in a 1.0 kinda way. I might even give it a shot at that point; some of the features it supposedly has/will have are intriguing to me, but not enough that I am willing to pay to beta the game.
On the flip side of that coin, I'm really enjoying being in on the ground floor of LOTRO, from beta to launch, watching Turbine expand the world and the game, so perhaps I may pick up VG soon after all to witness the same behavior, but probably not til after the server merges.
If any Station Pass game closes, my vote is Matrix Online...
LoTR and VG are different situations. LoTR has a lot of money to expand and improve the game. VG has a small Subscriber base and is decreasing each week. As video games are a business they can not justify putting more money into a game that only a few diehard, niche Players enjoy.
Don't get me wrong. Hardcore gameplay is not a niche. The VG niche are people who put up with a sub standard product and unfun gameplay. They are a niche of a niche of a niche.
LoTR and VG are different situations. LoTR has a lot of money to expand and improve the game. VG has a small Subscriber base and is decreasing each week. And you know this how? It would be true to say its subscriber base has decreased from launch, it is a 'guess' and an 'opinion' that it is currently decreasing each week. You have no facts. As video games are a business they can not justify putting more money into a game that only a few diehard, niche Players enjoy. And yet they are putting in money into a game with a low population, maybe Einstein, they see the potential and want to invest some money to bring the population up and make the game profitable. Perhaps they are using a basic concept of any business, 'you have to spend money to make money'. But after all, I have an MBA, what would I know, while you have your divine internal knowledge and confidence that you are right with no facts.
Don't get me wrong. Hardcore gameplay is not a niche. Uh....yes it is, you should probably look up the word 'niche'. The VG niche are people who put up with a sub standard product and unfun gameplay. They are a niche of a niche of a niche.
All hail the all-knowing, all powerful Tnice, holder of the one great truth known as his opinion. Bow before his might, for he knows every Vanguard player personally.
Get off your freakin high horse man, you ain't that cool.
Your method is to aspouse your opinion as if it is gospel truth and judge others without knowing them. You take your uneducated guesses about disparate facts and wildly predict the future. You are insulting, rude, arrogant, ignorant and a Vanguard forum troll. Yet, you do it with such confidence.
But I do agree with you, the most biting retort IS the truth. How does it feel?
LoTR and VG are different situations. LoTR has a lot of money to expand and improve the game. VG has a small Subscriber base and is decreasing each week. And you know this how? It would be true to say its subscriber base has decreased from launch, it is a 'guess' and an 'opinion' that it is currently decreasing each week. You have no facts. As video games are a business they can not justify putting more money into a game that only a few diehard, niche Players enjoy. And yet they are putting in money into a game with a low population, maybe Einstein, they see the potential and want to invest some money to bring the population up and make the game profitable. Perhaps they are using a basic concept of any business, 'you have to spend money to make money'. But after all, I have an MBA, what would I know, while you have your divine internal knowledge and confidence that you are right with no facts.
Don't get me wrong. Hardcore gameplay is not a niche. Uh....yes it is, you should probably look up the word 'niche'. The VG niche are people who put up with a sub standard product and unfun gameplay. They are a niche of a niche of a niche.
All hail the all-knowing, all powerful Tnice, holder of the one great truth known as his opinion. Bow before his might, for he knows every Vanguard player personally.
Get off your freakin high horse man, you ain't that cool.
Your method is to aspouse your opinion as if it is gospel truth and judge others without knowing them. You take your uneducated guesses about disparate facts and wildly predict the future. You are insulting, rude, arrogant, ignorant and a Vanguard forum troll. Yet, you do it with such confidence.
But I do agree with you, the most biting retort IS the truth. How does it feel?
We are already past the "I told you so" stage but let me say:
"I told you so."
How do we know that Tnice is the all-knowing God who is never wrong? How do we know that his assumptions, guesses and opinions are actually TRUTH? How do we know that he has a self-inflated ego with an unhealthy axe to grind against a game he does not play?
It is a possibility that Vanguard is for people that want "forced-guilding" to do forced-raids at max level to feel "uber."
We do not know yet. End-game is not implemented. The company could do so much with the end-game because it is an enormous fantasy world. Let's hope there is no forced-raiding to obtain "uber" crap!
Boycott EA Games. RIP Sim City.
If these forums were only made up of only people who play VG they would be as dead as the game. RIP.
The Ax to grind against VG is for those Game Makers who decide to release buggy, unfinished games onto the Public. If they do so I will grind an Ax against them. I don't think I am any different than the 100k+ people who purchased the game and dropped it. The difference is that some of them are shy. I am not.
I think even the faithful are beginning to leave Vanguard, unfortunately.
Boycott EA Games. RIP Sim City.
hhmmm Zorgo what did Tnice do to deserve the flaming you just gave him ?
it looked to me he was voiceing his opinion and for some reason you decided to take fairly innocious comments and chew them up ,spit them out and throw them across the floor , really mate did you get out of bed on the wrong side or something ? 
got a toothache ?
LoTR and VG are different situations. LoTR has a lot of money to expand and improve the game. VG has a small Subscriber base and is decreasing each week. And you know this how? It would be true to say its subscriber base has decreased from launch, it is a 'guess' and an 'opinion' that it is currently decreasing each week. You have no facts. As video games are a business they can not justify putting more money into a game that only a few diehard, niche Players enjoy. And yet they are putting in money into a game with a low population, maybe Einstein, they see the potential and want to invest some money to bring the population up and make the game profitable. Perhaps they are using a basic concept of any business, 'you have to spend money to make money'. But after all, I have an MBA, what would I know, while you have your divine internal knowledge and confidence that you are right with no facts.
Don't get me wrong. Hardcore gameplay is not a niche. Uh....yes it is, you should probably look up the word 'niche'. The VG niche are people who put up with a sub standard product and unfun gameplay. They are a niche of a niche of a niche.
All hail the all-knowing, all powerful Tnice, holder of the one great truth known as his opinion. Bow before his might, for he knows every Vanguard player personally.
Get off your freakin high horse man, you ain't that cool.
Your method is to aspouse your opinion as if it is gospel truth and judge others without knowing them. You take your uneducated guesses about disparate facts and wildly predict the future. You are insulting, rude, arrogant, ignorant and a Vanguard forum troll. Yet, you do it with such confidence.
But I do agree with you, the most biting retort IS the truth. How does it feel?
We are already past the "I told you so" stage but let me say:
"I told you so."
Well... You do know that you just proved Zorgo's point about you. How about him now saying, about you, told you so.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
the only obnoxious thing I can see about Tnice's post is the colour of them red ontop of blue makes for very hard reading
he is just repeating what many poeple have posted on the forums for the last two weeks 
maybe he thought our memories need a bit of a reminder 