I highly doubt that a "max strength" fantasy character would look like Arnold Sasfasgdfhsdhdfh. The life of a body builder never includes swinging a sword around and fighting dragons with fireballs. Body Builders spend their whole lives training to be at the top of the body building game. This means that they work muscles that a warrior in the hills would never work. How many times a day do you think an warrior stops to do crunches? Not very often. They are too busy trying not to get their head caved in.
Actually Retro, they are bigger. Take a look at the World Strong Man competition, they are massive. Arnold is a lot more lean than the "max strengthers" of our world.
No. You are posting a sexist and completely assinine question. You are asking if a huge arnold woman is appealing. The answer is no. Females would not want a huge pimply acne backed butch woman with arms like tree trunks. What I am asserting is that strong people don't look like Arnold. Body builder as strongest man is a horrible way to view strength. Hell, Sumo wrestlers are strong. They don't look like body builders. Their mass is part of their strength.
Look, I don't know why you're getting so bent outa shape about this. I'm trying not to make any judgement calls here. I did slip up a bit in my first post when I said, "Hmmm, not so appealing" about muscular women. Ok, my mistake. I let personal bias creep into my post. I acknowledge that.
I'm not bent out of shape. I am just asserting that you're being sexist. You admit it here yourself. Personal bias is fine as long as you don't go and offend people by being complete incorrect and ignorant.
Ok, I admitted that I let my personal bias show through by saying, "Hmmm, not so appealing" about muscular women. And I acknowledge that I shouldn't have done that. But still, how is it sexist?
I freely admit that I don't find muscular women to be attractive. I understand and acknowledge that this is only my personal preference. So how am I being sexist?
What...? I'm not allowed to have personal preferences in what I find attractive in women? Yes, I should have been more careful not to reveal my personal preference, especially in my first post. But just the fact that I have a personal preference shouldn't automatically make me a sexist. All men and all women have personal preferences in regards to the things they find to be attractive in the opposite sex. Am I a sexist because I, like every other person in the world, also have personal preferences?
I read a 'few' responses but I'm responding to YOUR question.
Believe it or not, you have a very biased take on people in general, much less women. Posting what you did AND admiting you did so in another thread that "seems to have been deleted". Well gee, I wonder why. Your statements are borderline offending and assume that men and women see things like you do. You obviousely don't follow body building to any extent. There are some very fine looking women that have achieved the highest ranks of contest in the sport. But what makes me laugh is to suppose people would 'avoid' the '"butch" look'.....can you say homophob! I think you are really curious to know if the way YOU think is different than the majority of people as a whole. It's no wonder your first post "seems to have been deleted". It's a game, not real life......
/sigh
I think you need to read the rest of the thread. Go ahead, you'll enjoy it.
Ok...point taken about the "butch" comment. You're right, that probably did come off as borderline offensive. I live and learn.
But the basic question, which I have rephrased at least twice now, is very simple. Basically I'm just asking how people would feel about playing female characters who look muscular. Now I've been attacked as a sexist for even presuming to ask this question but nobody has bothered to explain to me why the question is so inherently sexist in the first place.
I really wish that this thread was not deleted, as I think it posed a better question. It was just about to get right back on track as I had just steered it in the proper direction.
Well since most people roll female toons cuz they "dont wanna stare at a dudes ass all day" it shouldnt matter (since theyre only concerned with the ass). I've only made 1 female character before... I prefer playing the same gender as RL. If I was to make a female I would like the toon to look like what I think is hot. Diezel chicks dont do it for me (hey whatever floats your boat). However, I do feel there should be the option to be as muscular, fat, skinny, etc as you want in MMOs. Too bad most games dont give u the choice. It would be cool if your avatars appearance changed according to your stats.
btw... i dont think the question is sexist. Why would anybody think that anyway? I think its a legitimate question, and in all honesty I highly doubt the majority of players would.
btw... i dont think the question is sexist. Why would anybody think that anyway?
I don't know but I wish somebody would send out memo's every time the rules of political correctness are changed. Because the message I'm getting right now is that it's sexist to suggest that female avatars might ever be anything other than petite sex-pots. Which is sorta the opposite of what I thought the politically correct rules were.
I really wish that this thread was not deleted, as I think it posed a better question. It was just about to get right back on track as I had just steered it in the proper direction.
Double yes and damn skippy! I thought it was a good idea and a great question. Why is it that so many people on this board complain about lack of new ideas in MMOs and when a good question comes up to maybe create new ideas with, they ignore it and decide to insult each other. Man, you guys should run for congress.
As to the nature of this thread, I don't think it is sexist.
Based on what pop culture tells us is beautiful and good, (very skinny), it is legitimate to ask whether people will play a female character that doesn't meet the requirement for generic beauty (very skinny).
Though I have said this before I will say it again, only concise. Yes I do think people will play a muscled female, people are suprissingly diverse in their interests/kinks. I wouldn't however, I prefer more softer/chubby/few extra pounds/you get my point, characters, which of course I cannot make in most (or is that any?) MMOs.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
I read a 'few' responses but I'm responding to YOUR question.
Believe it or not, you have a very biased take on people in general, much less women. Posting what you did AND admiting you did so in another thread that "seems to have been deleted". Well gee, I wonder why. Your statements are borderline offending and assume that men and women see things like you do. You obviousely don't follow body building to any extent. There are some very fine looking women that have achieved the highest ranks of contest in the sport. But what makes me laugh is to suppose people would 'avoid' the '"butch" look'.....can you say homophob! I think you are really curious to know if the way YOU think is different than the majority of people as a whole. It's no wonder your first post "seems to have been deleted". It's a game, not real life......
/sigh
I think you need to read the rest of the thread. Go ahead, you'll enjoy it.
Ok...point taken about the "butch" comment. You're right, that probably did come off as borderline offensive. I live and learn.
But the basic question, which I have rephrased at least twice now, is very simple. Basically I'm just asking how people would feel about playing female characters who look muscular. Now I've been attacked as a sexist for even presuming to ask this question but nobody has bothered to explain to me why the question is so inherently sexist in the first place.
I'm not calling you a sexist...
No I don't need to read what the others have posted. As I stated from the start, my response is to Your post not what others rsponded.
What I personally find attractive is woman who are finely chisled, but not ripped. I would think that women find the same with men. We are not that differnt. Does anyone really like the look of people who are overly muscular? Firm and smooth is far better looking then bumps and veins popping out all over the place IMO. Most of these guys and girls that are really ripped use steroids to get the muscles.
Originally posted by Neanderthal HIgh strength in a male character would make him look like a real life male body builder. No problem, right?
Eck eck eck eck! then again I have no intrest in playing as a guy .... but still eck eck eck eck!
Originally posted by Neanderthal
And high strength on a female character would make her look like a real life female body builder. Hmmm, not so appealing. Do you think that the majority of people who play female characters would avoid a high strength stat in order to avoid the "butch" look? I'm really curious what people think about this.
Some might avoid it yep and I'm happy with that! I'd still play my woman warrior
Originally posted by Agricola1 Strong legs, muscly thighs and a big tight muscle bound arse. With a long slim tender body and slightly oversized breasts ................... a bit like 99% of female chars in all MMORPGs at the moment in fact! If I give the impression that I'm a sad twisted pervert, that's because I am.
Most MMO women look like Barbie dolls. I think the OP meant like female body builders.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
I highly doubt that a "max strength" fantasy character would look like Arnold Sasfasgdfhsdhdfh. The life of a body builder never includes swinging a sword around and fighting dragons with fireballs. Body Builders spend their whole lives training to be at the top of the body building game. This means that they work muscles that a warrior in the hills would never work. How many times a day do you think an warrior stops to do crunches? Not very often. They are too busy trying not to get their head caved in.
Actually Retro, they are bigger. Take a look at the World Strong Man competition, they are massive. Arnold is a lot more lean than the "max strengthers" of our world.
He is talking about looks more so then size. There is a big difference between "strong men" and "builder builder"s. Body builders strive for a ripped, muscular, and a extremely lean look. Most strong men strive for power and strength and some aren't exactly lean in the tummy area if you get my drift.
I'd suspect a hulking warrior would be more like a "strong man" in looks then a "build builder" with their strive for extremely low body fat.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
What does it mean? Warriors are not body builders, their body is very different. I think girls can have a warrior without looking like a body builder monster.
I read a 'few' responses but I'm responding to YOUR question.
Believe it or not, you have a very biased take on people in general, much less women. Posting what you did AND admiting you did so in another thread that "seems to have been deleted". Well gee, I wonder why. Your statements are borderline offending and assume that men and women see things like you do. You obviousely don't follow body building to any extent. There are some very fine looking women that have achieved the highest ranks of contest in the sport. But what makes me laugh is to suppose people would 'avoid' the '"butch" look'.....can you say homophob! I think you are really curious to know if the way YOU think is different than the majority of people as a whole. It's no wonder your first post "seems to have been deleted". It's a game, not real life......
/sigh
I think you need to read the rest of the thread. Go ahead, you'll enjoy it.
Ok...point taken about the "butch" comment. You're right, that probably did come off as borderline offensive. I live and learn.
But the basic question, which I have rephrased at least twice now, is very simple. Basically I'm just asking how people would feel about playing female characters who look muscular. Now I've been attacked as a sexist for even presuming to ask this question but nobody has bothered to explain to me why the question is so inherently sexist in the first place.
I'm not calling you a sexist...
No I don't need to read what the others have posted. As I stated from the start, my response is to Your post not what others rsponded.
Ok, but you did imply that I'm homophobic for using the term "butch" to refer to strong, powerful looking women. Which is ok. Maybe I did inadvertantly give that impression.
But I hope you can believe me when I tell you that I honestly had no idea that using the word "butch" was offensive to homosexuals. No one has ever told me that before. I really didn't mean to offend anyone.
So I officially apologize for offending you by using that word.
I really wish that this thread was not deleted, as I think it posed a better question. It was just about to get right back on track as I had just steered it in the proper direction.
Are you serious...? Your posts come off as extremely provoking(more so than anyone else) and arrogant. And it's the last one before deletion... Maybe if people didn't keep saying "it's going down hill" or "it's racist" or "sexist" then it wouldn't have been deleted... TBH, I didn't think what I said was any of those, and was waiting for a response, but apparently people took it so... And admittedly, after rereading the OP's post alone, I apologize to that OP, 'cause I clumped everything above my post together, including his previous thread...(Edit: and yes, my posts were provoking too..)
That thread was about "inequality" for realism, which to me seems obvious that it DOES create more realism, but it's because of diversity, and mainly it doesn't conflict with the image of the real world...
In this thread, it is about "equality" for realism... Society doesn't portray females as bulking Hulks... It conflicts with society's image, and sure, it might work for awhile, because it's different, but I don't think much people would want to look like that... ( Even I as a male, don't want to look like those male bodybuilders)... The other problem, is that this restricts customization, although, in this case it makes some sense to do so...(Edit: for this case, I would to an extent prefer it over seeing a skinny ass male or female doing heavy attacks, unless it fits the world... remember, just because it looks human in the game, doesn't mean it's the exactly same thing; it could be biologically different...but I'm also totally fine with using my suspension of disbelief... I wish people weren't so nitpicky in some of the posts I've seen, because I'd sure like for people to still have some degree of imagination and suspension of disbelief...)
I'd like to add... People say for "equality" all the time ( in terms of having the same chance of getting something), but honestly, I think people wouldn't mind some "inequalities"... Afterall, you see people posting about how they miss the days where in SWG, jedis were rare to get.. or how they can exploit economies to be richer than the rest... or to be different and unique...
I asked this in another thread which seems to have been deleted. I was curious what people might say about it so I'm re-asking it here. What if the graphical look of characters were linked to the character's stats such that the higher your strength the more muscle bound your character looked. HIgh strength in a male character would make him look like a real life male body builder. No problem, right? And high strength on a female character would make her look like a real life female body builder. Hmmm, not so appealing. Do you think that the majority of people who play female characters would avoid a high strength stat in order to avoid the "butch" look? I'm really curious what people think about this.
I've thought for a long time that stats should affect appearance, other than skin tone and hair color. The lower the intelligence, the more stupid a character should look, even approaching mongoloidism. The higher the strength, the more buff. The higher the wisdom (if that's a stat in a game), the older and more mature. Low charisma = unkempt, mismatched clothes. High charisma = immaculate, elegant appearance.
But I hope you can believe me when I tell you that I honestly had no idea that using the word "butch" was offensive to homosexuals. No one has ever told me that before. I really didn't mean to offend anyone.
"butch" alone certainly isn't offensive to homosexuals, I'm a dyke and a butch and I'm proud!
I don't even know why people even think muscles on a woman is attractive, it's disgusting. If you want to put "it" in, go find yourself a post-op with huge muscles.
Plenty of men cooks (chefs)
Plenty of textiling done by men
Anything wrong with them 2? no, so wtf is wrong with a woman body building. I'm tired of all this stupid sexist crap. You know, some asian muslim girls go college and uni get a nice degree and their parents decide she needs to get married she's a house maid for the rest of here life, wtf was the point of the first 18 years of her life then?
Wtf, i'm not being sexist.
There's a difference between someone saying "Ok look, muscles on a female is just nasty, i'm going to vomit." and "Muscles on a chick? omg.. women shouldn't be allowed to body build, they're females and they belong in the house.".
Since you obviously don't know what the word means, i'll tell you
"Discrimination or Devaluation based on a person's sex".
I would like some sort of body/stat based avatar development, but nothing cartoony as the exaggerated body builder versus nerd versus slob versus barbie doll sort of variety. Rather, consider if you're a sword swinging adventurer. Eventually you're going to have some nice arms for all that swinging and smashing of the shield against your foe. Now, it won't be anything near the ripped look that body builders get, but it would be more akin to that of an athlete or an old farmer (have you seen those old pictures from the Kansas Dust Bowl period? The chaps are long, lean, but fracking strong in the shoulders and hands, like they could thrust their hands into the earth and split it!) with the slight stoutness from all that lengthy effort. Plus, I would love to see it also be reflexive. Say your character likes to eat and drink beer in the extreme. Wouldn't be sorta funny to actually notice s/he got a bit rounder? Not extremely so, but a little pooch, or a softer appreach on the shape of the body? And with it, maybe a higher constitution stat or whatever (but with a dex/quickness penalty). Just little things like this, subtle, but not extreme (I really hate extreme since WoW, really!) in the style.
Sorry for taking this thread off subject , but with all the comments about being "vainy" I was wondering if you guys knew that body builders are only really like that when they are working out .
Durring shows they keep dumb bells in the back so they can look like that when they walk out.
pro heavy weights are the only ones you might notice in real life .
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Actually Retro, they are bigger. Take a look at the World Strong Man competition, they are massive. Arnold is a lot more lean than the "max strengthers" of our world.
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Look, I don't know why you're getting so bent outa shape about this. I'm trying not to make any judgement calls here. I did slip up a bit in my first post when I said, "Hmmm, not so appealing" about muscular women. Ok, my mistake. I let personal bias creep into my post. I acknowledge that.
I'm not bent out of shape. I am just asserting that you're being sexist. You admit it here yourself. Personal bias is fine as long as you don't go and offend people by being complete incorrect and ignorant.
Ok, I admitted that I let my personal bias show through by saying, "Hmmm, not so appealing" about muscular women. And I acknowledge that I shouldn't have done that. But still, how is it sexist?
I freely admit that I don't find muscular women to be attractive. I understand and acknowledge that this is only my personal preference. So how am I being sexist?
What...? I'm not allowed to have personal preferences in what I find attractive in women? Yes, I should have been more careful not to reveal my personal preference, especially in my first post. But just the fact that I have a personal preference shouldn't automatically make me a sexist. All men and all women have personal preferences in regards to the things they find to be attractive in the opposite sex. Am I a sexist because I, like every other person in the world, also have personal preferences?
/sigh
I think you need to read the rest of the thread. Go ahead, you'll enjoy it.
Ok...point taken about the "butch" comment. You're right, that probably did come off as borderline offensive. I live and learn.
But the basic question, which I have rephrased at least twice now, is very simple. Basically I'm just asking how people would feel about playing female characters who look muscular. Now I've been attacked as a sexist for even presuming to ask this question but nobody has bothered to explain to me why the question is so inherently sexist in the first place.
I really wish that this thread was not deleted, as I think it posed a better question. It was just about to get right back on track as I had just steered it in the proper direction.
- Burying Threads Since 1979 -
Well since most people roll female toons cuz they "dont wanna stare at a dudes ass all day" it shouldnt matter (since theyre only concerned with the ass). I've only made 1 female character before... I prefer playing the same gender as RL. If I was to make a female I would like the toon to look like what I think is hot. Diezel chicks dont do it for me (hey whatever floats your boat). However, I do feel there should be the option to be as muscular, fat, skinny, etc as you want in MMOs. Too bad most games dont give u the choice. It would be cool if your avatars appearance changed according to your stats.
btw... i dont think the question is sexist. Why would anybody think that anyway? I think its a legitimate question, and in all honesty I highly doubt the majority of players would.
I don't know but I wish somebody would send out memo's every time the rules of political correctness are changed. Because the message I'm getting right now is that it's sexist to suggest that female avatars might ever be anything other than petite sex-pots. Which is sorta the opposite of what I thought the politically correct rules were.
Double yes and damn skippy! I thought it was a good idea and a great question. Why is it that so many people on this board complain about lack of new ideas in MMOs and when a good question comes up to maybe create new ideas with, they ignore it and decide to insult each other. Man, you guys should run for congress.
As to the nature of this thread, I don't think it is sexist.
Based on what pop culture tells us is beautiful and good, (very skinny), it is legitimate to ask whether people will play a female character that doesn't meet the requirement for generic beauty (very skinny).
Though I have said this before I will say it again, only concise. Yes I do think people will play a muscled female, people are suprissingly diverse in their interests/kinks. I wouldn't however, I prefer more softer/chubby/few extra pounds/you get my point, characters, which of course I cannot make in most (or is that any?) MMOs.
Don't you worry little buddy. You're dealing with a man of honor. However, honor requires a higher percentage of profit
/sigh
I think you need to read the rest of the thread. Go ahead, you'll enjoy it.
Ok...point taken about the "butch" comment. You're right, that probably did come off as borderline offensive. I live and learn.
But the basic question, which I have rephrased at least twice now, is very simple. Basically I'm just asking how people would feel about playing female characters who look muscular. Now I've been attacked as a sexist for even presuming to ask this question but nobody has bothered to explain to me why the question is so inherently sexist in the first place.
I'm not calling you a sexist...No I don't need to read what the others have posted. As I stated from the start, my response is to Your post not what others rsponded.
What I personally find attractive is woman who are finely chisled, but not ripped. I would think that women find the same with men. We are not that differnt. Does anyone really like the look of people who are overly muscular? Firm and smooth is far better looking then bumps and veins popping out all over the place IMO. Most of these guys and girls that are really ripped use steroids to get the muscles.
I Iike the idea ,but also I would like to see more games that have the option of males having a smaller build.
The male dark elves in L2 were pretty good. They seem more of a limber body type.
I get tired of having to be a block with legs.....
Eck eck eck eck! then again I have no intrest in playing as a guy .... but still eck eck eck eck!
Some might avoid it yep and I'm happy with that! I'd still play my woman warrior
Most MMO women look like Barbie dolls. I think the OP meant like female body builders.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
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GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
He is talking about looks more so then size. There is a big difference between "strong men" and "builder builder"s. Body builders strive for a ripped, muscular, and a extremely lean look. Most strong men strive for power and strength and some aren't exactly lean in the tummy area if you get my drift.
I'd suspect a hulking warrior would be more like a "strong man" in looks then a "build builder" with their strive for extremely low body fat.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
What does it mean? Warriors are not body builders, their body is very different. I think girls can have a warrior without looking like a body builder monster.
I do love Lieutenant O'Neill!
It is a question of fangs.
/sigh
I think you need to read the rest of the thread. Go ahead, you'll enjoy it.
Ok...point taken about the "butch" comment. You're right, that probably did come off as borderline offensive. I live and learn.
But the basic question, which I have rephrased at least twice now, is very simple. Basically I'm just asking how people would feel about playing female characters who look muscular. Now I've been attacked as a sexist for even presuming to ask this question but nobody has bothered to explain to me why the question is so inherently sexist in the first place.
I'm not calling you a sexist...No I don't need to read what the others have posted. As I stated from the start, my response is to Your post not what others rsponded.
Ok, but you did imply that I'm homophobic for using the term "butch" to refer to strong, powerful looking women. Which is ok. Maybe I did inadvertantly give that impression.
But I hope you can believe me when I tell you that I honestly had no idea that using the word "butch" was offensive to homosexuals. No one has ever told me that before. I really didn't mean to offend anyone.
So I officially apologize for offending you by using that word.
Are you serious...? Your posts come off as extremely provoking(more so than anyone else) and arrogant. And it's the last one before deletion... Maybe if people didn't keep saying "it's going down hill" or "it's racist" or "sexist" then it wouldn't have been deleted... TBH, I didn't think what I said was any of those, and was waiting for a response, but apparently people took it so... And admittedly, after rereading the OP's post alone, I apologize to that OP, 'cause I clumped everything above my post together, including his previous thread...(Edit: and yes, my posts were provoking too..)
That thread was about "inequality" for realism, which to me seems obvious that it DOES create more realism, but it's because of diversity, and mainly it doesn't conflict with the image of the real world...
In this thread, it is about "equality" for realism... Society doesn't portray females as bulking Hulks... It conflicts with society's image, and sure, it might work for awhile, because it's different, but I don't think much people would want to look like that... ( Even I as a male, don't want to look like those male bodybuilders)... The other problem, is that this restricts customization, although, in this case it makes some sense to do so...(Edit: for this case, I would to an extent prefer it over seeing a skinny ass male or female doing heavy attacks, unless it fits the world... remember, just because it looks human in the game, doesn't mean it's the exactly same thing; it could be biologically different...but I'm also totally fine with using my suspension of disbelief... I wish people weren't so nitpicky in some of the posts I've seen, because I'd sure like for people to still have some degree of imagination and suspension of disbelief...)
I'd like to add... People say for "equality" all the time ( in terms of having the same chance of getting something), but honestly, I think people wouldn't mind some "inequalities"... Afterall, you see people posting about how they miss the days where in SWG, jedis were rare to get.. or how they can exploit economies to be richer than the rest... or to be different and unique...
The possibilities are endless.
"butch" alone certainly isn't offensive to homosexuals, I'm a dyke and a butch and I'm proud!
Plenty of men cooks (chefs)
Plenty of textiling done by men
Anything wrong with them 2? no, so wtf is wrong with a woman body building. I'm tired of all this stupid sexist crap. You know, some asian muslim girls go college and uni get a nice degree and their parents decide she needs to get married she's a house maid for the rest of here life, wtf was the point of the first 18 years of her life then?
Wtf, i'm not being sexist.There's a difference between someone saying "Ok look, muscles on a female is just nasty, i'm going to vomit." and "Muscles on a chick? omg.. women shouldn't be allowed to body build, they're females and they belong in the house.".
Since you obviously don't know what the word means, i'll tell you
"Discrimination or Devaluation based on a person's sex".
I would like some sort of body/stat based avatar development, but nothing cartoony as the exaggerated body builder versus nerd versus slob versus barbie doll sort of variety. Rather, consider if you're a sword swinging adventurer. Eventually you're going to have some nice arms for all that swinging and smashing of the shield against your foe. Now, it won't be anything near the ripped look that body builders get, but it would be more akin to that of an athlete or an old farmer (have you seen those old pictures from the Kansas Dust Bowl period? The chaps are long, lean, but fracking strong in the shoulders and hands, like they could thrust their hands into the earth and split it!) with the slight stoutness from all that lengthy effort. Plus, I would love to see it also be reflexive. Say your character likes to eat and drink beer in the extreme. Wouldn't be sorta funny to actually notice s/he got a bit rounder? Not extremely so, but a little pooch, or a softer appreach on the shape of the body? And with it, maybe a higher constitution stat or whatever (but with a dex/quickness penalty). Just little things like this, subtle, but not extreme (I really hate extreme since WoW, really!) in the style.
Anyways, just my two cents on it.
-- Brede
Sorry for taking this thread off subject , but with all the comments about being "vainy" I was wondering if you guys knew that body builders are only really like that when they are working out .
Durring shows they keep dumb bells in the back so they can look like that when they walk out.
pro heavy weights are the only ones you might notice in real life .