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Vanguard: Going Forced Guilding and Forced Raiding? (POLL)
CharslesT
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What do you all think? I heard that people at max level cannot join the raids currently in the game without being in a guild. Unfortunately, these max level players have no solo epic quests to complete to obtain comparable gear or do "stuff." So, they might have no choice but to sit around or craft or do diplomacy, but many do not want to craft or do diplomacy.
Is Vanguard a FORCED game?
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3 months ago when i played with my level 50 necromancer and my level 50 druid i had to be in a guild to raid. Back then there wasnt many 50s around thou raiding, so it could have all changed now.
But 3 months ago, yes, it was forced.
Playing: Archlord
Played: EQ1//EQ2//WoW//GW//L2//GB//RS//LoTRO//VG
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Does anyone realize how fucking stupid it would be to have a forced game in this ENORMOUS world when they could do so much to this game at max level? Tons of solo, group, and raid content could be incorporated into this game. It is vast. Instead, the end-game is a forced-raiding game that requires you to join a guild. It is retarded! It is a blunder if there ever was one. No character customization, no way to continue to progress at max with an AA point system, nothing like that. You either raid with a guild or you craft.
No solo epic quests for invisibility cloaks, haste belts, shit like that. It should have like the epic quests like there were in EQ 1 for every class for a unique item that people can solo. And there should be heroic quests for every class to get gear that have solo and group content to get it. I am so disappointed!
I almost cannot believe it. It is sad.
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In what game was that you said?
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
In what game was that you said?
vanguard, I think.
How can there be so many views and so few votes? Something seems... suspicious or not right.
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You must have been playing a different game as there were no raids in vanguard 3 months ago nor are there any raids in game now. SOE has said raids will not be in game for another 1-2 months at least.
I still play Vanguard for longer than the past three months, and I still enjoy Vanguard.
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In what game was that you said?
I'm still trying to figure out how people are raiding in a game that has no raiding in it.Don't you have to have raid mechanics in before you can technically raid?
There isn't any raiding in VG. Only grouping. Why do people keep saying they raid in this game?
Wish Darkfall would release.
My guild does raid. Some raid content exists. Not a lot. Some. A little bit.
I was talking about end-game, Urdig. Do you think the end-game will all be raiding?
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Only on the test servers my friend only on test. There is no raid content in game ATM.
Yes. You can raid if you are not on a test server. LOL.
What I am getting at is simple:
is the end-game all raiding?
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There is no forced play in Vanguard.
There is alot more in the game than just adventuring.
One thinks ( plays ) outside the box...one will get alot more out of Vanguard.
There are so many other things to do besides just adventuring in VG. Raiding is only 10% of the game at any level.
Too bad VG is a grindbox then, eh?
Forced raiding?? Not that I am aware of. I know there are targets in game right now that would take a raid to take out. I know that SOE is currently working on releasing the first "official" end game raiding area and are suppose to release new content every 6 week afterward via updates. I know the Dot system says that 5-6dot mobs are suppose be be multiple group mobs, but a Psi, Ranger and myself (paladin) were kiting 5 dot named last week with no problems at all. Forced grouping yes. Maybe in the near future forced guilds for raiding yes,
But so far some of the best items in the game I've seen have been crafted which is a solo thing and I have received drops on solo kills from trash mobs that are similar too or sometimes better than some rewards of group type quest. So from what I've seen..you can get similar type gear both solo and grouping its just going to take you a WHOLE lot longer to get them solo.....Not seen any raiding going on yet though.
So you can get comparable gear via solo, raid, and craft?
I think that is cool.
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Solo could mean solo adventuring or from crafted stuff I suppose.
It's hard to say since SoE took over and has yet to really provide any sort of mission statement outlining exactly what they want to do with the game. Maybe they are sticking with the original formula, maybe not.
Personally I think that it's going to turn into a raiding game. The impression I get from what Smed said (the whole keeping VG as thier primere hardcore game) is that the game will be very much like the original EQ. Raiding.
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No one wants to raid like we did in EQ 1 all the time. We want more sophisticated and in depth solo content. The current population of Vangurd wants raid content LESS than an AA point system, a mentor system, and Solo and small group epic and heroic quests for class weapons and gear.
If this is true, and if it does become a raiding game, I would be surprised if this game has 8k subscribers. Many of us are just playing here and there, hoping and praying the game will improve, because we have a station pass.
Folks, if you can read this, DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME. You must give this game like six more months to get its shit together.
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No one wants to raid like we did in EQ 1 all the time. We want more sophisticated and in depth solo content. The current population of Vangurd wants raid content LESS than an AA point system, a mentor system, and Solo and small group epic and heroic quests for class weapons and gear.
If this is true, and if it does become a raiding game, I would be surprised if this game has 8k subscribers. Many of us are just playing here and there, hoping and praying the game will improve, because we have a station pass.
Folks, if you can read this, DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME. You must give this game like six more months to get its shit together.
It isn't about what the "current players" want. What are the current players going to do, open second accounts if they were to get their way on every single development direction?All SOE wants is subscribers, and obviously current players are subscribing for a reason, so why waste effort fulfilling current subscriber's mere wants in lieu of providing what prospective players will require in order to even consider playing?
Lotsa folks like to raid; WoW is proof of that. So it's best to just accept that fact and realize SOE is attempting to attract customers other than those that still play. Prospective players are vastly more plentiful than the few still left subscribing.
sepher, that was the most illogical post I have ever seen. If you read his post, which I unfortunately did, he is saying it is not what current players want but what prospective players want. He then assumes that prospective players want forced-raiding end-game.
No one wants forced-raiding end-game. People want raiding as an option among other things to do. Let me spell it out for sepher, because this guy has a very convolute way of thinking and expressing himself: nobody wants forced-raiding. No one will join Vanguard, your socalled "prospective players," because of forced-raiding. WoW's end game, pre TBC proved that players do NOT want force-raiding. If the end-game is all forced-raiding, then even the current subscribers will quit.
Gosh, what an intellectual brain.
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Again, I have no idea what your idea of "forced-raiding" is. Especially since you're the only guy in this thread and probably on these boards who believe it's already possible to "raid" in Vanguard. That functionality is still on the test server, and no raid areas have been patched into game yet.What the heck are you going on about? You killed some six-dots or somesuch? That isn't raiding.
Anyway, all your paranoia aside, there's been no indication of raiding being "forced". That isn't to say raiding won't become the best option of getting good gear and spending time with the guild. Or maybe that's what you mean by "forced", the best rewards reserved for those that put the most collective effort and time into receiving them? Welcome to MMOs.
It's exactly that kind of gameplay though that a lot of folks like, who aren't currently playing Vanguard, who'd probably give it a chance if their guild was given the option of being competitive braggarts.
If you're blind to the sub-culture of raiders in the MMO industry, so be it, but they do exist. It's just one more type of player Vanguard has to become appealing towards.
As for the comment about WoW, that's the wrong game to use to try and push your agenda against raiding.
Why thank you!Anyway, continue to get your jollies out of soloing, grouping or whatever it is you do. Get comfortable with the idea of raiders reaping rewards you won't be able to solo. Realize that the addition of raids aren't an affront to you, and are instead additions the game needs to attract a wider array of players.
The "raiders" that want forced-raiding to feel "uber" are a minority.
The current subscribers in Vanguard are not interested in forced-raiding; they want raiding, but they want it to be one option among many options for an end-game. Sorry. You are clueless on the concept of an "end-game" and options for end-game.
You are very naive if you think forced-raiding end-game will attract new players to the game.
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You can't speak for everyone that remains, no matter how few there are. Nothing about the MMO industry hints that if the best rewards are reaped through raiding, a game will suffer. Again, World of Warcraft is a shining example of that fact.
It's going to happen, there'd be no point to raiding if one were reaping the exact same rewards as solo or single grouping players.
Looks like we'll get a chance to find out.
sepher's logic is so bad it like kills my train of thought.
When the end-game is all or even mostly raiding to adventure, people will soon burn out and get bored with it. A game needs a variety of content in the end-game: solo, small group, full group, and raid content to adventure in.
The danger is that Vanguard's end-game will be mostly if not all end-game for adventure. The current subscribers do not want this, and I am confident in saying that "prospective" subscribers do not want this. Your theory that forced-raiding will attract "prospective subscribers" and that SOE should not listen to current subscribers is so naive I am not sure if you believe it. I think you might have so much hatred you come onto MMORPG's web page and state very bad theories and stupid suggestions.
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I think your concerns are pretty meaningless at this point. There is no endgame right now, wont be for some time likely so I wouldnt worry about it.
They are working on the first raids right now, when those go in it may seem like a forced raid game since there is no other high level content. After that they may add some high level content for those not into raiding but at the rate content has been added to this game that's a concern for christmas time at best.
Right now I'd say it's a forced guild or forced alt game, unless you like crafting or diplomacy. You need a guild that has players on when your on to find groups otherwise the content gets boring and you need to make up an alt.
Progress has been unacceptably slow. It seems that SOE's acquisition was worse for the community, afterall.
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Yeah, all 8 mill WoW players proved, how much they hate the concept of the game they play... indeed.