Do you know what types of posts are just as dumb as FanBOI's predicting world domination? Post's that tell idiots to stop being idiots, might as well be talking to a wall.
LoTRO is one of the games that I have been following closely and was able to play in closed beta. I read everything I can find about it and like every game out there there were the fanatics spewing crap but I did not get the overall impression that this was rampant. Most people/reviews were positive about the game and thought it would be successful, but very few people thought that it would topple WoW.
Now, does that mean WoW can't be toppled? Naw... we went through this same cycle when EQ was the 900lbs gorilla in the MMO scene (DoAC, AC, AC2...blah...blah...blah...) and it wasn't until WoW took a different angle was EQ beaten (that and SoE's wonderful addons).
Am I a bit disappointed with LoTRO so far? Yeah, there is nothing earth shattering but its a fun enough game and I would rather play that then WoW atm. It's definitely much better then DnL, DDO, SB and Vanguard, while it will not de-throne WoW it will find its successful niche.
Oh yeah and do you know what types of posts are even MORE annoying then the 2 above? People that post XXXXX sucks I played it for 5 Minutes and I knew it sucked. Great....thank you for stopping by and contributing so well to the discussion on hand.
[quote]Oh yeah and do you know what types of posts are even MORE annoying then the 2 above? People that post XXXXX sucks I played it for 5 Minutes and I knew it sucked. Great....thank you for stopping by and contributing so well to the discussion on hand.[/quote]
OK, I have not read this entire thread so I am sorry if this was touched on and I missed but there is a major point being overlooked.
THERE WILL NOT BE A WOW KILLER.....no matter how good a game is. Guild wars has millions of players and it has not killed WOW.
Why is this? Market Share. This is still an emerging market for US companies. Other than WOW US based MMOs are no where near the subscription levels of some of the Asian games that have been out for a while.
A FANTASTIC game might bite a few % points out of WOW but there will not be a mass exodus. There are plently of players with different play styles and likes/ disklikes to go around. Other US Games will eventually tap more deeply into markets with a more sophisticated on-line player base like Korea.
I have high hopes for WAR and AoC and Gods and Heroes but none of them will tople WOW just lie WOW has did not crush Everquest.
The only thing that will eventually impact WOW is ongoing development of the game (WOW 2 for instance, or a lack of new content). I think with only one major expansion this will eventually impact WOW more than other games will. It will get stale like it did for me already.
If Turbine sticks to their word there will be lots of new content, the game will grow, and the player base will stay strong but it will never bring WOW down.
people said vanguard was going to be the next big mmo,and look what happened there... nothings going to come close to warcraft for a long time.
Yes, and Blizzrds makes some good money of it, but do you think they ever offer free content like Turbine does? NO! So why should we care obout how many people play it? C&C3 has way more sales than Supreme commander, still Supreme Commander is one of the best RTS games ever. Why doesn't everbody see it? because there are othere players who are so big that a casuel gamer can't look beyond it any more and see the good things of the others games. The very same thing aplies for Lotro
what free content? they were supposed be in the game before live otherwise there is nothing to do solo after level 30. Cant believe ppl are so easily fooled. OMG free content this game is so great !!!
Even before this game was in beta almost everybody was convinced this game would wipe WoW and other existing MMO's from the market. Just look at the topics now... almost everybody finds the game boring and not fun to play in the end-game. But still the same people hype games like WAR and AoC like they did with this game. Is it so hard to learn a lesson? I keep laughing at every topic with "Game X will destroy game Y totaly!" or "This game will totaly own the whole market!". Sad part though, good games get beaten by this. Just stop posting hype topic about games yet to be launched!! You are only making a fool out of yourself!
Sorry to put a hole in your boat, but the simple fact is. LOTRO is only 2 MONTHS OLD. If you think any game within 2 months can possibly pull in 8 freakin million subscribers I WANT WHAT YOU ARE SMOKING. It has to be the best shit in the world. None the less, I fell into a trolls trap and this is the response. Seriously though, it is doing fantastic States side. I could care less about codemasters and their nonsense.
The worst game this happened to is when all the SWG fans hyped up DnL and it flopped before release heh.
End game sucks??? you realize they are constantly adding to the game correct? and that they havent even reached places like Minas Tirith, and Mordor. make sure you know what you're talkin about before you run your mouth or else you'll make yourself look foolish
Does anyone remember the WoW launch? Did you know aside from a few raids, there was no real "endgame" for roughly 5 or 6 months? The was no PvP system in place at all until about May or so the next year. Oh how soon we forget.
It also took WoW over 2 years to get to 8 million and guess what? Its not Americans or Europeans who make up the bulk of that mighty epeen number, its Asians.
LotR will probably not get to 8 million because it more then likely will not succeed in Asia and as far as I know, Turbine is not going to even try as it does not even come close to having an Asian appeal. Its more then likely NOT going to hit 1 million as the NA/Euro market is to small BUT it will be one of the next most played MMOs for a little while to come.
Soooo.........who the f*ck cares? Play it if you like it. Play one of the other "kill 10 rats" grinders if you don't. Most western MMOs are all the same when comes right down to it, kill you 10 rats, get your pat on the head by the NPC and then do your raids when he gives you permission. At least LotRs tries to throw a little story driven adventure in there not that the MMO crowd cares.
MMO players..... They don't know WTF they want but rip everything down in fits of temper tantrums because its not what they wanted.
That about sums up what I've felt for a long time Torak. I honestly think of Turbine just keeps its course it'll have a fairly stable game on there hands. The game does what it does well. Hell the storylines even fun to boot! I actually never feel like Im in a rush to reach the end content and for that I give HUGE kudo's to the devs. Its hard to keep the attention of a jaded gamer like myself. Although WHERES MY FISHINNNNNGGGG!!
Turbine will be releasing every square inch of middle earth for play eventually in the future. There's tons of areas that haven't been explore yet... realized that the released areas is only in the region of Eriador thats like only a small portion of middle earth ... there's Gondor, Lindor, Rohan, Mordor ..each of these places will be as huge as the region of Eriador (which spans from the western shores all the way to the misty mountains). Myself I'll be looking forward to more areas to adventure in.
Turbine will be releasing every square inch of middle earth for play eventually in the future. There's tons of areas that haven't been explore yet... realized that the released areas is only in the region of Eriador thats like only a small portion of middle earth ... there's Gondor, Lindor, Rohan, Mordor ..each of these places will be as huge as the region of Eriador (which spans from the western shores all the way to the misty mountains). Myself I'll be looking forward to more areas to adventure in.
It's too bad we were restricted to Eriador only. They should've went with multiple starting areas in different zones like Rohan, Eriador, Gondor, Mordor, etc. It would've been a better strategy and non-linear. By the time we get to Gondor, it will be 5+ years later!
I understand why they started us in Eriador though, because they wanted us to follow The Fellowship in the books, but honestly, I think it was a bad idea. It's just too damn linear and boring doing it this way.
I really don't get it why people are satisfied with so little. Yes, the game was perfect technically (except the utterly boring non-dynamic combat). But content wise there is only the minimum. All those "free content updates" (the first one and probably 2-3 next) should have been since start. Don't blame people they leveled too fast. This is their style. Nowhere was written "Don't level fast or you may run out of content". This means only one thing - leveling is the only content in the game.
About WoW comparison for the content. Well, WoW had much much more content at start. 1 endless 55-60 dungeon, 4 - 60, 1 -20 (UBRS was 20 or 40 capped at start, not sure) and 2 -raid instances. Those story driven quest lines were present in WoW also (Onyxia, Plaguelands, Deadmines anyone?). Quest hubs were times better and bigger. There was a fair share of solo and group content so you can always have what to do.
There was PvP since release ( omg I said it). In fact PvP was instanced because servers couldn't meet the world PvP clashes. Southshore/Tarren Mill and Crossroads raids were ok with 60-70 ppl participating but big cities raids could take up to 500+ people sometimes.
One of the biggest flaws in LOTRO imo was the lack of incentive to repeat content. FFS I did Dead mines 18 times on release and it was always fun. LOTRO instances are either far too short or extremely long (Fornost took us 6 hours). Not instanced dungeons are total disaster. Go afk 2 mins and you have respawns - and there are no save spots.
Classes - whose idea was the game should have only 1 healing class?
Main reason for LOTRO failure - you can't promote group centric, grind heavy (traits) games as casual.
And the talk about most people haven't reached top levels... What exactly takes you so long. The only reason I see is you do nothing for the 2-3 hours while looking for group.
P.S. These are my observations only as I feel it. I have lvl 47,5 guardian whose last 20-30 quests he did were dark red just because there was nothing else to be done.
I really don't get it why people are satisfied with so little. Yes, the game was perfect technically (except the utterly boring non-dynamic combat). But content wise there is only the minimum. All those "free content updates" (the first one and probably 2-3 next) should have been since start. Don't blame people they leveled too fast. This is their style. Nowhere was written "Don't level fast or you may run out of content". This means only one thing - leveling is the only content in the game. About WoW comparison for the content. Well, WoW had much much more content at start. 1 endless 55-60 dungeon, 4 - 60, 1 -20 (UBRS was 20 or 40 capped at start, not sure) and 2 -raid instances. Those story driven quest lines were present in WoW also (Onyxia, Plaguelands, Deadmines anyone?). Quest hubs were times better and bigger. There was a fair share of solo and group content so you can always have what to do. There was PvP since release ( omg I said it). In fact PvP was instanced because servers couldn't meet the world PvP clashes. Southshore/Tarren Mill and Crossroads raids were ok with 60-70 ppl participating but big cities raids could take up to 500+ people sometimes. One of the biggest flaws in LOTRO imo was the lack of incentive to repeat content. FFS I did Dead mines 18 times on release and it was always fun. LOTRO instances are either far too short or extremely long (Fornost took us 6 hours). Not instanced dungeons are total disaster. Go afk 2 mins and you have respawns - and there are no save spots. Classes - whose idea was the game should have only 1 healing class? Main reason for LOTRO failure - you can't promote group centric, grind heavy (traits) games as casual. And the talk about most people haven't reached top levels... What exactly takes you so long. The only reason I see is you do nothing for the 2-3 hours while looking for group. P.S. These are my observations only as I feel it. I have lvl 47,5 guardian whose last 20-30 quests he did were dark red just because there was nothing else to be done.
Where are you guys getting your information that LotRs failed? Can someone produce something that backs that up at all....even a little??? (anything, post some sort of support to these statments, otherwise its just "LotR failed to me IMO" statements)
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it failed. In fact LotRs is probably the only successful MMO since WoW and GW launched 3 years ago.
You guys trying to pass this game off as failure on the level of some of the trainwrecks like anything with SOE stamped on it are just...... well..........on crack.
I'd suggest reading the official forums. Most people seem to be very happy and subscription numbers are rising. With the recent news on Book 10 and beyond, people are just that much more excited.
I really don't get it why people are satisfied with so little. Yes, the game was perfect technically (except the utterly boring non-dynamic combat). But content wise there is only the minimum. All those "free content updates" (the first one and probably 2-3 next) should have been since start. Don't blame people they leveled too fast. This is their style. Nowhere was written "Don't level fast or you may run out of content". This means only one thing - leveling is the only content in the game. About WoW comparison for the content. Well, WoW had much much more content at start. 1 endless 55-60 dungeon, 4 - 60, 1 -20 (UBRS was 20 or 40 capped at start, not sure) and 2 -raid instances. Those story driven quest lines were present in WoW also (Onyxia, Plaguelands, Deadmines anyone?). Quest hubs were times better and bigger. There was a fair share of solo and group content so you can always have what to do. There was PvP since release ( omg I said it). In fact PvP was instanced because servers couldn't meet the world PvP clashes. Southshore/Tarren Mill and Crossroads raids were ok with 60-70 ppl participating but big cities raids could take up to 500+ people sometimes. One of the biggest flaws in LOTRO imo was the lack of incentive to repeat content. FFS I did Dead mines 18 times on release and it was always fun. LOTRO instances are either far too short or extremely long (Fornost took us 6 hours). Not instanced dungeons are total disaster. Go afk 2 mins and you have respawns - and there are no save spots. Classes - whose idea was the game should have only 1 healing class? Main reason for LOTRO failure - you can't promote group centric, grind heavy (traits) games as casual. And the talk about most people haven't reached top levels... What exactly takes you so long. The only reason I see is you do nothing for the 2-3 hours while looking for group. P.S. These are my observations only as I feel it. I have lvl 47,5 guardian whose last 20-30 quests he did were dark red just because there was nothing else to be done.
Where are you guys getting your information that LotRs failed? Can someone produce something that backs that up at all....even a little??? (anything, post some sort of support to these statments, otherwise its just "LotR failed to me IMO" statements)
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it failed. In fact LotRs is probably the only successful MMO since WoW and GW launched 3 years ago.
You guys trying to pass this game off as failure on the level of some of the trainwrecks like anything with SOE stamped on it are just...... well..........on crack.
I'm not saying that LotRO is a failure or a bad game, since I haven't played it yet, but basing a games success off a gamesites review doesn't prove much. Games that were exellently reviewed like Supreme Commander are often outsold by worse rated games due to people more interested in the "worse" game (such as movie liscensed games). Did you know that the game "Viva Pinata" based off the children's show was almost universally acclaimed by gamesites, but I will bet you money it was completely outsold by badly reviewed games such as "Transformers" just because most people wouldn't give a game based on a kid's show a second glance. All I'm trying to point out is that 39 reviews proves nothing when viewing a game as a commercial success or failure.
In the end, logic and reason always beat out fanboys.
Just an observation, of this and other threads....
Most the people defending LotRO are either new, or haven't really progressed very far. But if someone has reached 40+ they seem far more often than not to be inclined to post that they are bored or disappointed with the end game.
I only got to level 30 myself before that happened (course I had a 24 alt) but it does seem to be a trend..... game starts out really fun...but you burn out on it as you reach the upper levels...
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I'm not saying that LotRO is a failure or a bad game, since I haven't played it yet, but basing a games success off a gamesites review doesn't prove much. Games that were exellently reviewed like Supreme Commander are often outsold by worse rated games due to people more interested in the "worse" game (such as movie liscensed games). Did you know that the game "Viva Pinata" based off the children's show was almost universally acclaimed by gamesites, but I will bet you money it was completely outsold by badly reviewed games such as "Transformers" just because most people wouldn't give a game based on a kid's show a second glance. All I'm trying to point out is that 39 reviews proves nothing when viewing a game as a commercial success or failure.
Yes, everyone knows reviews are never accurate and always wrong. There is no way 39 of them all from different organizations like PCGamer, 1UP, Gamespy... could even be close to correct. As far as the rest...who knows. But there is no way any revieew could be even close to correct in the case of this game.
Sorry bro, it does prove something. The xfire stats clearly prove many people are playing. The 39 reviews clearly shows that reviews like it.
I haven't seen a game yet that got bad reviews and was wildly popular...strange coincidence???? You get bad reviews, your game dies. See just about any MMO released in the past 3 years if you need proof. How about that Dark and Light? Maybe Vanguard? Oh I know D&D.....errr..........maybe Roma Victor....Phantasy Star? Ryzom? All great successes dispite the bad reviews? Hardly. How about WoW and GW? Good reviews and strangely enough.........they are commercial successes. Thats weird how that works, isn't it?
Fact of the matter is you can not show me a game that has been commercially successful that got bad reviews. You may not like that but there it is.
Originally posted by Kyleran Most the people defending LotRO are either new, or haven't really progressed very far. But if someone has reached 40+ they seem far more often than not to be inclined to post that they are bored or disappointed with the end game.
This might be true ye, depending on what kinda player you are. If you're a hardcore gamer with what, 4+ hours (this is assuming you have a job or whatever... if not I can see players doing 8+hours per day no sweat) gaming every day then yes you will probably get bored. Yes fine, we've established this now from countless posts here on MMORPG.com. Now then surely the average player plays 4+hours per day right? I dont think so tbh. So this is not the game for you then, just move along instead of wasting shitloads of time constantly bashing this game on a friggin forum. No offence ofc
And to the ppl who desperatly keep claiming LOTRO is a failure... maybe a realitycheck would be in order I dunno
I'm not saying that LotRO is a failure or a bad game, since I haven't played it yet, but basing a games success off a gamesites review doesn't prove much. Games that were exellently reviewed like Supreme Commander are often outsold by worse rated games due to people more interested in the "worse" game (such as movie liscensed games). Did you know that the game "Viva Pinata" based off the children's show was almost universally acclaimed by gamesites, but I will bet you money it was completely outsold by badly reviewed games such as "Transformers" just because most people wouldn't give a game based on a kid's show a second glance. All I'm trying to point out is that 39 reviews proves nothing when viewing a game as a commercial success or failure.
Yes, everyone knows reviews are never accurate and always wrong. There is no way 39 of them all from different organizations like PCGamer, 1UP, Gamespy... could even be close to correct. As far as the rest...who knows. But there is no way any revieew could be even close to correct in the case of this game.
Sorry bro, it does prove something. The xfire stats clearly prove many people are playing. The 39 reviews clearly shows that reviews like it.
I haven't seen a game yet that got bad reviews and was wildly popular...strange coincidence???? You get bad reviews, your game dies. See just about any MMO released in the past 3 years if you need proof. How about that Dark and Light? Maybe Vanguard? Oh I know D&D.....errr..........maybe Roma Victor....Phantasy Star? Ryzom? All great successes dispite the bad reviews? Hardly. How about WoW and GW? Good reviews and strangely enough.........they are commercial successes. Thats weird how that works, isn't it?
Fact of the matter is you can not show me a game that has been commercially successful that got bad reviews. You may not like that but there it is.
I'm really sorry that you can't read my post and/or comprehend it. I obviously said commercial success (BTW if you plan on highlighting what i say, you might want to read it first). I never stated that highly reviewed games aren't good games, I stated that highly reviewed games many times aren't commercial successes. Please try to fully read my posts next time you plan on criticizing me. 1UP, I believe, gave a unfavorable review to NeverWinter Nights 2 and a massive outcry prompted them to rereview the game and give it a high score. Now this proves that game sites can be wrong and even if 1UP had kept their review, the game would have been a success nevertheless. Also, you should probably read the other examples I gave. I also said that many games that were reviewed favourably were big comercial successes. There's a reason site (that you mentioned) have awards for best game never played during their yearly awards.
Honestly, did you just skim through my post looking for something to flame? I never said LotRO was a failure, I was simply stating a flaw in your claims that game reviews always determine a game's success.
In the end, logic and reason always beat out fanboys.
Since this godforsakne thread is already at the top I'll go ahead and post. The OP is an obvious troll post using a straw man argument. Very few people ever thought LotRO would "kill" WoW, and whether it did or not has no bearing on whether it was a financial and critical success. It clearly was.
LotRO was pretty big commercial success. It was in the top ten PC sales charts for something like 2 solid months. Even assuming 3/4 of those players already left, that's still huge subs. It also received high review scores from most of the press. No financial success and review scores aren't always correlated. Enter the Matrix was universally reviled by reviewers and sold like hot cakes. ICO was universally praised by reviewers and sold very poorly. But LotRO seems to have done well on both fronts. So, by any objective measure the game was pretty successful.
If I had to guess I would say that the game will settle on long terms subs somewhere between EQ II and WoW, and end up the second most popular MMO in NA and Europe (behind WoW). I don't think any sane person expected it to overtake WoW. I honestly don't remember too many people saying that here, though I'm sure you could have found some loonies spouting that BS on the official boards during Beta. It clearly is not (and I don't think is designed to be) a "WoW killer."
But has the game been a hit? With critics and the public, the answer is yes. With you personally, maybe not. And probably not with the average person that hangs out on site for that matter. This is after all a pretty rarefied crowd. I mean seriously, anyone that thinks MMOs haven't improved at all since Kunark era EQ and UO is definitly on the fringe (to put it politely). And you'll find a lot of people that honestly feel that way hanging out on these boards.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Originally posted by Kyleran Most the people defending LotRO are either new, or haven't really progressed very far. But if someone has reached 40+ they seem far more often than not to be inclined to post that they are bored or disappointed with the end game.
This might be true ye, depending on what kinda player you are. If you're a hardcore gamer with what, 4+ hours (this is assuming you have a job or whatever... if not I can see players doing 8+hours per day no sweat) gaming every day then yes you will probably get bored. Yes fine, we've established this now from countless posts here on MMORPG.com. Now then surely the average player plays 4+hours per day right? I dont think so tbh. So this is not the game for you then, just move along instead of wasting shitloads of time constantly bashing this game on a friggin forum. No offence ofc
And to the ppl who desperatly keep claiming LOTRO is a failure... maybe a realitycheck would be in order I dunno
The only way to advance and level is to do quests. So what's a casual player going to do when he runs out of solo quests? And when the game starts to dwindle in population, it's going to be even harder to find groups. When instances take 4+ hours to complete, how will they be able to level? Don't forget to add on another hour or so just to get a group formed. Grinding mobs isn't going to work either.
If you can't level, your options are very limited.
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I didn't add crafting because you also need to level for that.
2. at the time the only thing that was clearly developed were the hobbits
3. i thought the game was horrible and had ZERO to do with lord of the rings, it was not immersive and not nearly different from any korean game i play on a regular basis.
4. i left short after
5. returned when i got invited to the next phase of beta, there were updates but still it lacked content
6. it's an ugly game. even with everything turned up to lag inducing graphics mode, it's a hideous game IMO. the graphics are unstable on my setup, [note that wow graphics are completely tested on every possible setup known to man and are unflinchingly stable]
7. i reported everything
8. i left and came back for a final beta invite. the pre launch open beta. it was still boring, ugly, not immersive, not unique, not lordsy enough for me.
Note when i posted that it was boring, or not immersive on the forumns everyone jumped on me and said how wonderful the game was.
My friend bought the game i found out, like a week ago. I went to see how much it cost in the store, to give it one last try. It's $50.00 furikkin bucks plus the monthly fee. are you furikkin kidding me????? yeah not in this life time buddy.
In my honest opinion. this game release did a disservice to the good name of Tolkien and the LOTR franchise as a whole. It's as bad as what Sony did to Star Wars with SWG. These licensors should ultimately put in the contract that they have final say if the game should be released.
Ok here's my learned and unbiased opinion. 1. i played since the first beta after alpha 2. at the time the only thing that was clearly developed were the hobbits 3. i thought the game was horrible and had ZERO to do with lord of the rings, it was not immersive and not nearly different from any korean game i play on a regular basis. 4. i left short after 5. returned when i got invited to the next phase of beta, there were updates but still it lacked content 6. it's an ugly game. even with everything turned up to lag inducing graphics mode, it's a hideous game IMO. the graphics are unstable on my setup, [note that wow graphics are completely tested on every possible setup known to man and are unflinchingly stable] 7. i reported everything 8. i left and came back for a final beta invite. the pre launch open beta. it was still boring, ugly, not immersive, not unique, not lordsy enough for me. Note when i posted that it was boring, or not immersive on the forumns everyone jumped on me and said how wonderful the game was.
My friend bought the game i found out, like a week ago. I went to see how much it cost in the store, to give it one last try. It's $50.00 furikkin bucks plus the monthly fee. are you furikkin kidding me????? yeah not in this life time buddy.
In my honest opinion. this game release did a disservice to the good name of Tolkien and the LOTR franchise as a whole. It's as bad as what Sony did to Star Wars with SWG. These licensors should ultimately put in the contract that they have final say if the game should be released.
So you played in beta and thought the game sucked. Then you never played after full release and thought the game sucked. Does that sum it up?
You do realize when you are invited to a beta its not a finished game. Your there to help not play a free game.
Your post has 0 merit and has failed.
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Do you know what types of posts are just as dumb as FanBOI's predicting world domination? Post's that tell idiots to stop being idiots, might as well be talking to a wall.
LoTRO is one of the games that I have been following closely and was able to play in closed beta. I read everything I can find about it and like every game out there there were the fanatics spewing crap but I did not get the overall impression that this was rampant. Most people/reviews were positive about the game and thought it would be successful, but very few people thought that it would topple WoW.
Now, does that mean WoW can't be toppled? Naw... we went through this same cycle when EQ was the 900lbs gorilla in the MMO scene (DoAC, AC, AC2...blah...blah...blah...) and it wasn't until WoW took a different angle was EQ beaten (that and SoE's wonderful addons).
Am I a bit disappointed with LoTRO so far? Yeah, there is nothing earth shattering but its a fun enough game and I would rather play that then WoW atm. It's definitely much better then DnL, DDO, SB and Vanguard, while it will not de-throne WoW it will find its successful niche.
Oh yeah and do you know what types of posts are even MORE annoying then the 2 above? People that post XXXXX sucks I played it for 5 Minutes and I knew it sucked. Great....thank you for stopping by and contributing so well to the discussion on hand.
Twisting my words won't change the fact that this game bores people. Some just spotted it earlier.
[quote]Oh yeah and do you know what types of posts are even MORE annoying then the 2 above? People that post XXXXX sucks I played it for 5 Minutes and I knew it sucked. Great....thank you for stopping by and contributing so well to the discussion on hand.[/quote]
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YOUR opinion is not "people"s opinion, therefore you can only speak for yourself.
But, you will only be lying even to yourself about LOTRO, since you don't know crap about it
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OK, I have not read this entire thread so I am sorry if this was touched on and I missed but there is a major point being overlooked.
THERE WILL NOT BE A WOW KILLER.....no matter how good a game is. Guild wars has millions of players and it has not killed WOW.
Why is this? Market Share. This is still an emerging market for US companies. Other than WOW US based MMOs are no where near the subscription levels of some of the Asian games that have been out for a while.
A FANTASTIC game might bite a few % points out of WOW but there will not be a mass exodus. There are plently of players with different play styles and likes/ disklikes to go around. Other US Games will eventually tap more deeply into markets with a more sophisticated on-line player base like Korea.
I have high hopes for WAR and AoC and Gods and Heroes but none of them will tople WOW just lie WOW has did not crush Everquest.
The only thing that will eventually impact WOW is ongoing development of the game (WOW 2 for instance, or a lack of new content). I think with only one major expansion this will eventually impact WOW more than other games will. It will get stale like it did for me already.
If Turbine sticks to their word there will be lots of new content, the game will grow, and the player base will stay strong but it will never bring WOW down.
Yes, and Blizzrds makes some good money of it, but do you think they ever offer free content like Turbine does? NO! So why should we care obout how many people play it? C&C3 has way more sales than Supreme commander, still Supreme Commander is one of the best RTS games ever. Why doesn't everbody see it? because there are othere players who are so big that a casuel gamer can't look beyond it any more and see the good things of the others games. The very same thing aplies for Lotro
what free content? they were supposed be in the game before live otherwise there is nothing to do solo after level 30. Cant believe ppl are so easily fooled. OMG free content this game is so great !!!
Sorry to put a hole in your boat, but the simple fact is. LOTRO is only 2 MONTHS OLD. If you think any game within 2 months can possibly pull in 8 freakin million subscribers I WANT WHAT YOU ARE SMOKING. It has to be the best shit in the world. None the less, I fell into a trolls trap and this is the response. Seriously though, it is doing fantastic States side. I could care less about codemasters and their nonsense.
The worst game this happened to is when all the SWG fans hyped up DnL and it flopped before release heh.
End game sucks??? you realize they are constantly adding to the game correct? and that they havent even reached places like Minas Tirith, and Mordor. make sure you know what you're talkin about before you run your mouth or else you'll make yourself look foolish
Does anyone remember the WoW launch? Did you know aside from a few raids, there was no real "endgame" for roughly 5 or 6 months? The was no PvP system in place at all until about May or so the next year. Oh how soon we forget.
It also took WoW over 2 years to get to 8 million and guess what? Its not Americans or Europeans who make up the bulk of that mighty epeen number, its Asians.
LotR will probably not get to 8 million because it more then likely will not succeed in Asia and as far as I know, Turbine is not going to even try as it does not even come close to having an Asian appeal. Its more then likely NOT going to hit 1 million as the NA/Euro market is to small BUT it will be one of the next most played MMOs for a little while to come.
Soooo.........who the f*ck cares? Play it if you like it. Play one of the other "kill 10 rats" grinders if you don't. Most western MMOs are all the same when comes right down to it, kill you 10 rats, get your pat on the head by the NPC and then do your raids when he gives you permission. At least LotRs tries to throw a little story driven adventure in there not that the MMO crowd cares.
MMO players.....
They don't know WTF they want but rip everything down in fits of temper tantrums because its not what they wanted.
Turbine will be releasing every square inch of middle earth for play eventually in the future. There's tons of areas that haven't been explore yet... realized that the released areas is only in the region of Eriador thats like only a small portion of middle earth ... there's Gondor, Lindor, Rohan, Mordor ..each of these places will be as huge as the region of Eriador (which spans from the western shores all the way to the misty mountains). Myself I'll be looking forward to more areas to adventure in.
I understand why they started us in Eriador though, because they wanted us to follow The Fellowship in the books, but honestly, I think it was a bad idea. It's just too damn linear and boring doing it this way.
I really don't get it why people are satisfied with so little. Yes, the game was perfect technically (except the utterly boring non-dynamic combat). But content wise there is only the minimum. All those "free content updates" (the first one and probably 2-3 next) should have been since start. Don't blame people they leveled too fast. This is their style. Nowhere was written "Don't level fast or you may run out of content". This means only one thing - leveling is the only content in the game.
About WoW comparison for the content. Well, WoW had much much more content at start. 1 endless 55-60 dungeon, 4 - 60, 1 -20 (UBRS was 20 or 40 capped at start, not sure) and 2 -raid instances. Those story driven quest lines were present in WoW also (Onyxia, Plaguelands, Deadmines anyone?). Quest hubs were times better and bigger. There was a fair share of solo and group content so you can always have what to do.
There was PvP since release ( omg I said it). In fact PvP was instanced because servers couldn't meet the world PvP clashes. Southshore/Tarren Mill and Crossroads raids were ok with 60-70 ppl participating but big cities raids could take up to 500+ people sometimes.
One of the biggest flaws in LOTRO imo was the lack of incentive to repeat content. FFS I did Dead mines 18 times on release and it was always fun. LOTRO instances are either far too short or extremely long (Fornost took us 6 hours). Not instanced dungeons are total disaster. Go afk 2 mins and you have respawns - and there are no save spots.
Classes - whose idea was the game should have only 1 healing class?
Main reason for LOTRO failure - you can't promote group centric, grind heavy (traits) games as casual.
And the talk about most people haven't reached top levels... What exactly takes you so long. The only reason I see is you do nothing for the 2-3 hours while looking for group.
P.S. These are my observations only as I feel it. I have lvl 47,5 guardian whose last 20-30 quests he did were dark red just because there was nothing else to be done.
Where are you guys getting your information that LotRs failed? Can someone produce something that backs that up at all....even a little??? (anything, post some sort of support to these statments, otherwise its just "LotR failed to me IMO" statements)
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it failed. In fact LotRs is probably the only successful MMO since WoW and GW launched 3 years ago.
Its ranked no.5 on xfire use http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/ (June top 10 MMO stat)
Its getting stellar reviews and its ranked very high on retail sales.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/review.html?tag=tabs;reviews AVERAGE rating is 8.7 based on 39 reviews.
You guys trying to pass this game off as failure on the level of some of the trainwrecks like anything with SOE stamped on it are just...... well..........on crack.
I'd suggest reading the official forums. Most people seem to be very happy and subscription numbers are rising. With the recent news on Book 10 and beyond, people are just that much more excited.
Where are you guys getting your information that LotRs failed? Can someone produce something that backs that up at all....even a little??? (anything, post some sort of support to these statments, otherwise its just "LotR failed to me IMO" statements)
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it failed. In fact LotRs is probably the only successful MMO since WoW and GW launched 3 years ago.
Its ranked no.5 on xfire use http://www.xfire.com/cms/stats/ (June top 10 MMO stat)
Its getting stellar reviews and its ranked very high on retail sales.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/middleearthonline/review.html?tag=tabs;reviews AVERAGE rating is 8.7 based on 39 reviews.
You guys trying to pass this game off as failure on the level of some of the trainwrecks like anything with SOE stamped on it are just...... well..........on crack.
I'm not saying that LotRO is a failure or a bad game, since I haven't played it yet, but basing a games success off a gamesites review doesn't prove much. Games that were exellently reviewed like Supreme Commander are often outsold by worse rated games due to people more interested in the "worse" game (such as movie liscensed games). Did you know that the game "Viva Pinata" based off the children's show was almost universally acclaimed by gamesites, but I will bet you money it was completely outsold by badly reviewed games such as "Transformers" just because most people wouldn't give a game based on a kid's show a second glance. All I'm trying to point out is that 39 reviews proves nothing when viewing a game as a commercial success or failure.
In the end, logic and reason always beat out fanboys.
Just an observation, of this and other threads....
Most the people defending LotRO are either new, or haven't really progressed very far. But if someone has reached 40+ they seem far more often than not to be inclined to post that they are bored or disappointed with the end game.
I only got to level 30 myself before that happened (course I had a 24 alt) but it does seem to be a trend..... game starts out really fun...but you burn out on it as you reach the upper levels...
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Yes, everyone knows reviews are never accurate and always wrong. There is no way 39 of them all from different organizations like PCGamer, 1UP, Gamespy... could even be close to correct.
As far as the rest...who knows. But there is no way any revieew could be even close to correct in the case of this game.
Sorry bro, it does prove something. The xfire stats clearly prove many people are playing. The 39 reviews clearly shows that reviews like it.
I haven't seen a game yet that got bad reviews and was wildly popular...strange coincidence???? You get bad reviews, your game dies. See just about any MMO released in the past 3 years if you need proof.
How about that Dark and Light? Maybe Vanguard? Oh I know D&D.....errr..........maybe Roma Victor....Phantasy Star? Ryzom? All great successes dispite the bad reviews? Hardly. How about WoW and GW? Good reviews and strangely enough.........they are commercial successes. Thats weird how that works, isn't it?
Fact of the matter is you can not show me a game that has been commercially successful that got bad reviews. You may not like that but there it is.
This might be true ye, depending on what kinda player you are. If you're a hardcore gamer with what, 4+ hours (this is assuming you have a job or whatever... if not I can see players doing 8+hours per day no sweat) gaming every day then yes you will probably get bored. Yes fine, we've established this now from countless posts here on MMORPG.com. Now then surely the average player plays 4+hours per day right? I dont think so tbh. So this is not the game for you then, just move along instead of wasting shitloads of time constantly bashing this game on a friggin forum. No offence ofc
And to the ppl who desperatly keep claiming LOTRO is a failure... maybe a realitycheck would be in order I dunno
Yes, everyone knows reviews are never accurate and always wrong. There is no way 39 of them all from different organizations like PCGamer, 1UP, Gamespy... could even be close to correct.
As far as the rest...who knows. But there is no way any revieew could be even close to correct in the case of this game.
Sorry bro, it does prove something. The xfire stats clearly prove many people are playing. The 39 reviews clearly shows that reviews like it.
I haven't seen a game yet that got bad reviews and was wildly popular...strange coincidence???? You get bad reviews, your game dies. See just about any MMO released in the past 3 years if you need proof.
How about that Dark and Light? Maybe Vanguard? Oh I know D&D.....errr..........maybe Roma Victor....Phantasy Star? Ryzom? All great successes dispite the bad reviews? Hardly. How about WoW and GW? Good reviews and strangely enough.........they are commercial successes. Thats weird how that works, isn't it?
Fact of the matter is you can not show me a game that has been commercially successful that got bad reviews. You may not like that but there it is.
I'm really sorry that you can't read my post and/or comprehend it. I obviously said commercial success (BTW if you plan on highlighting what i say, you might want to read it first). I never stated that highly reviewed games aren't good games, I stated that highly reviewed games many times aren't commercial successes. Please try to fully read my posts next time you plan on criticizing me. 1UP, I believe, gave a unfavorable review to NeverWinter Nights 2 and a massive outcry prompted them to rereview the game and give it a high score. Now this proves that game sites can be wrong and even if 1UP had kept their review, the game would have been a success nevertheless. Also, you should probably read the other examples I gave. I also said that many games that were reviewed favourably were big comercial successes. There's a reason site (that you mentioned) have awards for best game never played during their yearly awards.
Honestly, did you just skim through my post looking for something to flame? I never said LotRO was a failure, I was simply stating a flaw in your claims that game reviews always determine a game's success.
In the end, logic and reason always beat out fanboys.
Since this godforsakne thread is already at the top I'll go ahead and post. The OP is an obvious troll post using a straw man argument. Very few people ever thought LotRO would "kill" WoW, and whether it did or not has no bearing on whether it was a financial and critical success. It clearly was.
LotRO was pretty big commercial success. It was in the top ten PC sales charts for something like 2 solid months. Even assuming 3/4 of those players already left, that's still huge subs. It also received high review scores from most of the press. No financial success and review scores aren't always correlated. Enter the Matrix was universally reviled by reviewers and sold like hot cakes. ICO was universally praised by reviewers and sold very poorly. But LotRO seems to have done well on both fronts. So, by any objective measure the game was pretty successful.
If I had to guess I would say that the game will settle on long terms subs somewhere between EQ II and WoW, and end up the second most popular MMO in NA and Europe (behind WoW). I don't think any sane person expected it to overtake WoW. I honestly don't remember too many people saying that here, though I'm sure you could have found some loonies spouting that BS on the official boards during Beta. It clearly is not (and I don't think is designed to be) a "WoW killer."
But has the game been a hit? With critics and the public, the answer is yes. With you personally, maybe not. And probably not with the average person that hangs out on site for that matter. This is after all a pretty rarefied crowd. I mean seriously, anyone that thinks MMOs haven't improved at all since Kunark era EQ and UO is definitly on the fringe (to put it politely). And you'll find a lot of people that honestly feel that way hanging out on these boards.
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
This might be true ye, depending on what kinda player you are. If you're a hardcore gamer with what, 4+ hours (this is assuming you have a job or whatever... if not I can see players doing 8+hours per day no sweat) gaming every day then yes you will probably get bored. Yes fine, we've established this now from countless posts here on MMORPG.com. Now then surely the average player plays 4+hours per day right? I dont think so tbh. So this is not the game for you then, just move along instead of wasting shitloads of time constantly bashing this game on a friggin forum. No offence ofc
And to the ppl who desperatly keep claiming LOTRO is a failure... maybe a realitycheck would be in order I dunno
The only way to advance and level is to do quests. So what's a casual player going to do when he runs out of solo quests? And when the game starts to dwindle in population, it's going to be even harder to find groups. When instances take 4+ hours to complete, how will they be able to level? Don't forget to add on another hour or so just to get a group formed. Grinding mobs isn't going to work either.
If you can't level, your options are very limited.
I didn't add crafting because you also need to level for that.
Ok here's my learned and unbiased opinion.
1. i played since the first beta after alpha
2. at the time the only thing that was clearly developed were the hobbits
3. i thought the game was horrible and had ZERO to do with lord of the rings, it was not immersive and not nearly different from any korean game i play on a regular basis.
4. i left short after
5. returned when i got invited to the next phase of beta, there were updates but still it lacked content
6. it's an ugly game. even with everything turned up to lag inducing graphics mode, it's a hideous game IMO. the graphics are unstable on my setup, [note that wow graphics are completely tested on every possible setup known to man and are unflinchingly stable]
7. i reported everything
8. i left and came back for a final beta invite. the pre launch open beta. it was still boring, ugly, not immersive, not unique, not lordsy enough for me.
Note when i posted that it was boring, or not immersive on the forumns everyone jumped on me and said how wonderful the game was.
My friend bought the game i found out, like a week ago. I went to see how much it cost in the store, to give it one last try. It's $50.00 furikkin bucks plus the monthly fee. are you furikkin kidding me?????
yeah not in this life time buddy. 
In my honest opinion. this game release did a disservice to the good name of Tolkien and the LOTR franchise as a whole. It's as bad as what Sony did to Star Wars with SWG.
These licensors should ultimately put in the contract that they have final say if the game should be released.
So you played in beta and thought the game sucked. Then you never played after full release and thought the game sucked. Does that sum it up?
You do realize when you are invited to a beta its not a finished game. Your there to help not play a free game.
Your post has 0 merit and has failed.
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