i tipped female entertainers a couple thousand credits more then the male entertainers ..... i dunno, im just a sucker for a chick with tentacles coming out of her head.
EDIT: err that is in the game SWG PRE-CU
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Personally, I wish guys would play guys and girls would play girls. Why? Because I think gender is part of who you are - part of how people know and respond to you. I've known female characters before, who I would have sworn on my grandmother's grave was a female IRL and turned out to be a guy. (And no, they weren't stupid flirty - they were nice, polite, sensitive, really good friends - all that stuff you don't normally expect from a guy.) When I found out they were guys IRL it was like - Whoa! What?! You can get to be pretty good friends with people through games and then to find out something relatively large like that, something you had no idea about, is kinda weird. Like you generally know if someone's married, or has kids, or lives in Europe - so it's weird to think you know someone fairly well and then find out something like that. (They didn't lie about being a girl, it was just assumed that they were because of how nice they were, LOL.)
But I don't really care, I've had tons of friends who played female characters because, according to them, the "butt was prettier". Most of my guy friends who play female characters are very distinguishable as guys, LOL.
As for the OP's question on special treatment - I have had lots of people give me stuff, but I don't know if it's cuz I'm a girl or cuz I REALLY suck at making money in games. REALLY. I think sometimes my clanmates just give me stuff cuz it's hurting them for their healer to be so badly equipped, LOL. I don't think I've ever gotten special treatment for being a girl. I've been in a pretty competitive clan most of my MMO career - either you're good at what you do or not, gender has nothing to do with it.
And just a little side note - while I cannot possibly claim to know every person that posts on the internet, those posters that say "Girls don't play MMOs!" and "pictures/voice com proves nothing!" generally strike me as really immature and/or very young. I think more mature male players realize that girls do play games and when they are friends with a person, in a clan with a person, and that person says that they are a girl IRL - they believe them. In fact, I've found that most guys figure out on their own that I'm a girl IRL and I don't even have to mention it. Yeah, there might be some guys who will lie about being a girl for a little while, but not too many are going to keep up that pretense through a long-term friendship.
Originally posted by Listof As for the OP's question on special treatment - I have had lots of people give me stuff, but I don't know if it's cuz I'm a girl or cuz I REALLY suck at making money in games. REALLY. I think sometimes my clanmates just give me stuff cuz it's hurting them for their healer to be so badly equipped, LOL. I don't think I've ever gotten special treatment for being a girl. I've been in a pretty competitive clan most of my MMO career - either you're good at what you do or not, gender has nothing to do with it.
It's because you are a girl, but also judging from the way you speak here it's because you speak respectfully. However you do say you are in a competitive clan and I do think the level of players competitiveness (singular or collectively) also affects the situation. Competitive players worry about winning (on whatever level) first, which would consist of aiding and equipping those in their clan before giving presents because youre a girl gamer.
How did you get into the clan? Did you inquire first or did some player just run up and say hey join my guild?
I treat people the way they treat me regardless of gender. Thing is, girls are often way more friendly and more fun to chat with than boys, wich makes it easier to treat them with respect. I'm not saying this is the case 100% of the time, but most of the time.
There's nothing funnier than the dead silence after some guy's been hitting on my female character for a half hour and I destroy his adolescent fantasy.
Agreed. However, I usually give 'em time to offer creds/items first, then tell 'em after the trade. That kicks 'em in the ego even harder.
Originally posted by Listof Personally, I wish guys would play guys and girls would play girls. Why? Because I think gender is part of who you are - part of how people know and respond to you.
Yet, it's still a game. People like to role play, so it requires a bit of changing the old skin and what not. Plus, what about transgendered players? We're not suppose to play as we are? Perhaps it's time for folks to just give up the old fantasy comfort zones that some person seems likes one sex, when they could be another. Basically, what I'm driving at is this: the old assumptions just don't hold online for lots of things, and knowing the sex of a person is just one of them. To make it the onus of others to present themselves as you want them to is just not there. They owe you nothing and in turn you owe them nothing. If you want friends, that's fine, but even friends hold stuff back, the true sex of a person is just one of those hold backs when it comes to MMOs, unless you're getting invited for an IRL BBQ to celibrate the birth of a player's kid or whatever.
If you want to play with guys, or gender benders that's up to you.
I like playing with guys and gender benders too.
But I crave female attention. We're not going to get married. We're not going to end up in bed or even ever meeting. But you will be my fantasy in those lonely hours. Your voice and your contact will soothe my addiction.
I do save a lot of stuff to give to girls. Girl specific stuff. Flowers, perfumes, "A steamy romance novel". Then again I save stuff to give everyone I want to play more with.
I find a little goodwill goes along way. Try it yourself. It's not just in games it works well. Buy the barmaid a drink, when you order yours. Buy the person at the bar next to you one as well. Take some flowers and chocolates and cakes into work with you for your work mates. When you visit your friend, bring a bottle of wine, a case of beer, some sweets or toys for the children.
This is a basic social skill. People in life will respond better to you if you make the effort to please them. Girls included.
If you're the sort who likes to roleplay being a member of the opposite sex, I have to say that you creep me out. It's not such a big issue, but it is very creepy. Really. You get your jollies prick teasing another man? Sticking pins in their ego? The jokes on you.
The rest of us are getting our jollies flirting with members of the opposite sex. We aren't trying to lie to them or make them feel stupid. We are exchanging our mutual attractions. Allowing them to feel more attractive about themselves and they in return are offering the same gifts of confidence to us. We aren't trying to knock eachother down to make ourselves feel superior, to crash people's ego's, we are co-operative. We both build eachother up. We encourage each others to blossom and prosper. Offer the security and appreciation that allows us to feel happier in our daily lives. Spread love to all the people wherever we go.
Really. The joke is on you. You are very sad.
Can't get enough of girls. The attraction to females in mmorpg's is one of the high points of these types of games. I lived in all male enviroments and I have to say they suck. They bring out the worst in people. It is an ugly, ugly thing.
There is no touch nicer than the female touch. So girls, get your ignore lists warmed up and ready to go, because I am a compulsive stalker and I value your company above that of your peers. I'm a willing victim for any activity you have in mind and just the slightest flirt is going to get you added to my friendslist.
It doesn't matter to me. I am just as nice to males as I am to females. I am just as snarky, too, on those days when I am a little off. I tend to give stuff away based on class, level and the gear that I see on the newbie in question, usually after a brief conversation. I tend to be biased in favor of certain classes, regardless of what sex they appear to be or are in real life.
It does matter to other people, though. If it didn't, we wouldn't keep talking about it.
... This is where I draw the line: __________________.
I don't role play, nor do I play w/ people who role play. So in my little realm of gaming - role play has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Zilch, zero, nada.
Originally posted by Impyriel
How did you get into the clan? Did you inquire first or did some player just run up and say hey join my guild?
Actually, I was friends w/ the clan leader and several members of the clan from many long pick-up parties in the most popular dungeon back in the day. They lured me into joining their clan once the clan I was in started going downhill (leader quit.) ^_^ I will admit, I had no idea just how competitive they were - or were going to become in the future. I'm not that competitive myself, especially PvP-wise, but all of my friends were in that clan or similar clans, so I've always just viewed pvp as a necessary evil.
In WoW, which has a huge population of hormone-fueled young men waving their e-peens, I tend to give more stuff to female players. In general, they're calmer and more pleasant to deal with.
In EQ2, which has a more laid-back, mature community, I tend to give things away equally. There aren't any huge behavioral differences between male and female players, so I don't favor either gender. I've probably given more things away to male players, simply because I've met more of them.
There's not much to give away in City of Heroes, but I do it equally regardless of gender as well. I've given the most stuff to friends, and to newbies with cool character concepts or costume designs.
As for the gender of the character, it's irrelevant. I don't play any games where the character's gender makes any difference. I give stuff to males playing female characters, females playing male characters, and transsexuals playing robots.
The only time I get weirded out is when a guy playing a girl tries to scam other guys for money by acting provocatively. Or two guys start making their female avatars act out a lesbian fantasy. Or the truly creepy guys who are "roleplaying" a transexual.
I'll occassionally play female toons myself and it really tees me off when I'm not doing anything provocative but some idiot teen keeps sending me requests to cyber.
Originally posted by Listof I don't role play, nor do I play w/ people who role play. So in my little realm of gaming - role play has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Zilch, zero, nada.
If you're a guy, do you give stuff to female characters that you wouldn't give to male characters? What about a female player? If you're a girl, do you find that you are treated differently if you play a male character as opposed to a female character? Do players treat you differently when they find out your female? We have several female players in our guild and there are several males that play female characters. No one really much cares as far as I can tell, however there seems to be a lot of discussion about this topic, so I'm starting a poll.
I anit givin ladies nothing they already took all that i had.
My dog, money, heart , and home.
I got a country song in the work over here .
PS this is a joke.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I don't role play, nor do I play w/ people who role play. So in my little realm of gaming - role play has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Zilch, zero, nada.
So you exclusively solo? :-)
-- Brede
I think you will find that the majority of players don't "role play".
If you look at the percentage of RP servers versus normal or even PvP you will find that role players are a very tiny minority of the MMORPG community.
In Live Action or perhaps even a table top game RPG may imply some sort of acting, but in a computer game it simply denotes the game has the same mechanics found in the familiar table top games on which the genre is based. With character classes, skills, weapons and experience points etc. With a world full of quests to do and adventures to explore.
When I play a priest, am not acting out the life of a priest in Asterothia. I'm just playing a game. There is the odd fruitbat, who may want to discuss my Asterothian religion with me, (now there's a conversation difficult to walk away from!) but most people just want to talk about their latest +5000 critiical hit. "Role players" are extremely few and far between in MMO's.
I am not Conan the Cimmerian. I am Baff the Nerd.
If you enjoy role playing good for you, but most of us aren't role playing with you. We are just playing. And even if we were roleplaying, what possible enjoyment would you expect a bloke to get from playing the role of Shee-ra the Seductress. Why even choose that role? There are some very creepy people out there.
I give no one free stuff, regardless whether they are male, female or "other"
As far as playing a character, I prefer to play male characters, since I'm male. I've tried female characters, but didn't care for the experience.
If I'm sure that a player is female I will treat them with a bit more respects, my momma taught me to hold the door for ladies and don't fart or swear in front of them unless we're very familiar.
And hitting on females in games is a no - no.... (not good to hit on males either, at least in my case)
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Gender does not usually matter, but here's an example. Let's say I'm raiding, and a female toon says she wants loot priority. Let's say female toon is hot, and my neighbor, and will give me a "happy ending" to the raid if I comply.
I'll occassionally play female toons myself and it really tees me off when I'm not doing anything provocative but some idiot teen keeps sending me requests to cyber.
Being the opposite sex is being provocative. There aren't many things more provocative.
I like girls. If you want to play with guys, or gender benders that's up to you.
I like playing with guys and gender benders too.
But I crave female attention. We're not going to get married. We're not going to end up in bed or even ever meeting. But you will be my fantasy in those lonely hours. Your voice and your contact will soothe my addiction. I do save a lot of stuff to give to girls. Girl specific stuff. Flowers, perfumes, "A steamy romance novel". Then again I save stuff to give everyone I want to play more with. I find a little goodwill goes along way. Try it yourself. It's not just in games it works well. Buy the barmaid a drink, when you order yours. Buy the person at the bar next to you one as well. Take some flowers and chocolates and cakes into work with you for your work mates. When you visit your friend, bring a bottle of wine, a case of beer, some sweets or toys for the children. This is a basic social skill. People in life will respond better to you if you make the effort to please them. Girls included.
If you're the sort who likes to roleplay being a member of the opposite sex, I have to say that you creep me out. It's not such a big issue, but it is very creepy. Really. You get your jollies prick teasing another man? Sticking pins in their ego? The jokes on you. The rest of us are getting our jollies flirting with members of the opposite sex. We aren't trying to lie to them or make them feel stupid. We are exchanging our mutual attractions. Allowing them to feel more attractive about themselves and they in return are offering the same gifts of confidence to us. We aren't trying to knock eachother down to make ourselves feel superior, to crash people's ego's, we are co-operative. We both build eachother up. We encourage each others to blossom and prosper. Offer the security and appreciation that allows us to feel happier in our daily lives. Spread love to all the people wherever we go. Really. The joke is on you. You are very sad.
Can't get enough of girls. The attraction to females in mmorpg's is one of the high points of these types of games. I lived in all male enviroments and I have to say they suck. They bring out the worst in people. It is an ugly, ugly thing. There is no touch nicer than the female touch. So girls, get your ignore lists warmed up and ready to go, because I am a compulsive stalker and I value your company above that of your peers. I'm a willing victim for any activity you have in mind and just the slightest flirt is going to get you added to my friendslist.
So you're saying that transgenders are 'sad' for being born with bodies and minds that don't match up? It is not wrong to be different. There are heaps of transexuals, gays, and bisexuals in the modern world. I have a few friends in these categories and they are great people who don't need to be told that they are 'sad'. Even if they're straight and they do it for kicks, don't get so pissy, they will do what they want in life. If you don't like it then it is nobody's problem but your own. These are games we are playing, virtual environments in which you can be someone else and live a different life. Please grow up and start treating all people with respect, even if it creeps you out. Learn to not get all freaked out and you will not have a problem. You see, the problem is your ignorance and lack of empathy. It is your problem, not theirs; fix yourself.
I sure you're aware of this, but not all that many females are gamers. Sure, there are some, but the gender of majority in all games is male. Many of the females that do game play with their husbands/boyfriends and are only really there because of them. If you like girls so much, try leaving your house. You'll find many more out there.
Originally posted by baff I think you will find that the majority of players don't "role play".
I think you will find that you took my joke too seriously.
Orginally posted by baff If you enjoy role playing good for you, but most of us aren't role playing with you. We are just playing. And even if we were roleplaying, what possible enjoyment would you expect a bloke to get from playing the role of Shee-ra the Seductress. Why even choose that role? There are some very creepy people out there.
Because it's fun? But for me, I tend to play myself, an androgynous nerdy geek transgendered person.
People seem to have more issue with people who gender bend than anything else. Guess what? No one owes you anything to make you comfortable at all; period, end of story, and that's all she wrote. If you don't like gender bending, then please ask yourself why, and not expect those that do or are transgendered to obey your petty whims.
Very much so. I'm a male and I have always played Male characters. However, I did level a Female Blood Elf Mage to 70 a few months back and I was treated WAY differently. I was given items and gold, and allowed to live instead of being ganked in a lot of occasions. A lot of the time the alliance would gesture that they would like to see me naked in exchange for letting me live. I complied. Either way, Females get it very easily in WoW and I doubt it's different elsewhere. Well, except EVE, but only someone who has played the game would understand why.
My server has this mentality that it is almost impossible for girls to play WoW, so, therefore, any female toons are actually males.
Therefore, no special treatments in the least. Only four times, in the 8 months I have been on that server, I was left to "live".
Doesn't mean I don't get flirted tho along the way. Allis tend to whistle, drool, kiss, cuddle, personalized macro, THEN they destroy me.
Perfectly fine with me, I don't want special treatment and I want to be viewed as one of the guys..even tho my toon is female
I always get a kick when I get congratulated for a job well done and in their phrasing they mention man, dude, pal, etc..
As for the OP, as previously mentioned, I personally don't get special treatment, but, I also don't make an effort to let people know that I am truly a girl playing a girl toon.
A lot of people tend to play differently when they know an actual girl is playing and make a lot of mistakes during that time just to impresse them.
I've learned the hard way, so, when I created my new toon, I made sure to not let anyone know unless it was a guild member that we whisper on regular basis or just a person I've met along the way and become friends with.
I don't care tho if you are an actual guy or girl. If you are new to the game and are respectful * no begging, demanding, and can actually formulate a somewhat intelligent sentence* I'll gladly help out. Even to the not so new people.
I think you will find that the majority of players don't "role play".
I think you will find that you took my joke too seriously.
Orginally posted by baff
If you enjoy role playing good for you, but most of us aren't role playing with you. We are just playing. And even if we were roleplaying, what possible enjoyment would you expect a bloke to get from playing the role of Shee-ra the Seductress. Why even choose that role? There are some very creepy people out there.
Because it's fun? But for me, I tend to play myself, an androgynous nerdy geek transgendered person.
People seem to have more issue with people who gender bend than anything else. Guess what? No one owes you anything to make you comfortable at all; period, end of story, and that's all she wrote. If you don't like gender bending, then please ask yourself why, and not expect those that do or are transgendered to obey your petty whims.
-- Brede
No one needs to owe me anything.
There are the kinds of people who seek to put other people at their ease and the kind of people who don't.
I know who's company I prefer.
You aren't in anyway required to adhere to the norms of society and niceties of social grace, as you so rightly say. You may however find it benefits you to do so. A lot of people do. Openness and honesty are generally easier for people to deal with than obscurement and misdirection. As I said before, it's not the end of the world, but social graces can really help a person interact more enjoyably with others.
I think you will find my attitudes to gender bending already stated. No need to speculate on what they are, just refer back to what's already been said.
I like girls. If you want to play with guys, or gender benders that's up to you.
I like playing with guys and gender benders too.
But I crave female attention. We're not going to get married. We're not going to end up in bed or even ever meeting. But you will be my fantasy in those lonely hours. Your voice and your contact will soothe my addiction. I do save a lot of stuff to give to girls. Girl specific stuff. Flowers, perfumes, "A steamy romance novel". Then again I save stuff to give everyone I want to play more with. I find a little goodwill goes along way. Try it yourself. It's not just in games it works well. Buy the barmaid a drink, when you order yours. Buy the person at the bar next to you one as well. Take some flowers and chocolates and cakes into work with you for your work mates. When you visit your friend, bring a bottle of wine, a case of beer, some sweets or toys for the children. This is a basic social skill. People in life will respond better to you if you make the effort to please them. Girls included.
If you're the sort who likes to roleplay being a member of the opposite sex, I have to say that you creep me out. It's not such a big issue, but it is very creepy. Really. You get your jollies prick teasing another man? Sticking pins in their ego? The jokes on you. The rest of us are getting our jollies flirting with members of the opposite sex. We aren't trying to lie to them or make them feel stupid. We are exchanging our mutual attractions. Allowing them to feel more attractive about themselves and they in return are offering the same gifts of confidence to us. We aren't trying to knock eachother down to make ourselves feel superior, to crash people's ego's, we are co-operative. We both build eachother up. We encourage each others to blossom and prosper. Offer the security and appreciation that allows us to feel happier in our daily lives. Spread love to all the people wherever we go. Really. The joke is on you. You are very sad.
Can't get enough of girls. The attraction to females in mmorpg's is one of the high points of these types of games. I lived in all male enviroments and I have to say they suck. They bring out the worst in people. It is an ugly, ugly thing. There is no touch nicer than the female touch. So girls, get your ignore lists warmed up and ready to go, because I am a compulsive stalker and I value your company above that of your peers. I'm a willing victim for any activity you have in mind and just the slightest flirt is going to get you added to my friendslist.
So you're saying that transgenders are 'sad' for being born with bodies and minds that don't match up? It is not wrong to be different. There are heaps of transexuals, gays, and bisexuals in the modern world. I have a few friends in these categories and they are great people who don't need to be told that they are 'sad'. Even if they're straight and they do it for kicks, don't get so pissy, they will do what they want in life. If you don't like it then it is nobody's problem but your own. These are games we are playing, virtual environments in which you can be someone else and live a different life. Please grow up and start treating all people with respect, even if it creeps you out. Learn to not get all freaked out and you will not have a problem. You see, the problem is your ignorance and lack of empathy. It is your problem, not theirs; fix yourself.
I sure you're aware of this, but not all that many females are gamers. Sure, there are some, but the gender of majority in all games is male. Many of the females that do game play with their husbands/boyfriends and are only really there because of them. If you like girls so much, try leaving your house. You'll find many more out there.
I don't believe I am saying any of this no. Any issue you have with this subject is clearly your own.
I think I mention my opinon on gender benders in the third line of my post that you have quoted. Please target your crusade for sexual tolerance elsewhere. I have no intrest in it.
And yes many of the girls I play with do have husbands and boyfriends and guess what, I still like to play with them. I still prefer to play with them. I also play with single girls too. And yes I also meet girls in my home, outside my home and everywhere I go. I flirt with girls on the phone, in rush hour traffic, I pull in the supermarket, at the nightclub, at the dentist, in church, at work. Everywhere I go. There has never been any shortage. One in every two people is a girl.
Computer games are by no means the only place I enjoy female contact. I see no reason why my social interactions online should by any different from those offline. Just because a girl is playing a game online doesn't mean she doesn't want to be found attractive by men. It doesn't change anything.
It is basic good manners to demonstrate sexual attraction to members of the opposite sex. Online or off. Married or single. Old or young, beautiful or disfigured. A compliment, a greeting marked with a kiss. It's the little niceties that make all the difference.
Originally posted by baff You aren't in anyway required to adhere to the norms of society and niceties of social grace, as you so rightly say. You may however find it benefits you to do so. A lot of people do.
Actually I find them to be a bore. And if anyone can't take it, well too bad for them. Society has no ownership of my labor, property, and mind. As such, I do as I please on the proviso that I do not impede another in the control of their labor, property, and mind. Maybe if folks adhered to this principle maybe we wouldn't have such silly discussions about this in games or non-game-but-related-issues.
baff I think you will find my attitudes to gender bending already stated. No need to speculate on what they are, just refer back to what's already been said.
Not according to this post, which I find troubling.
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i tipped female entertainers a couple thousand credits more then the male entertainers ..... i dunno, im just a sucker for a chick with tentacles coming out of her head.
EDIT: err that is in the game SWG PRE-CU
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Personally, I wish guys would play guys and girls would play girls. Why? Because I think gender is part of who you are - part of how people know and respond to you. I've known female characters before, who I would have sworn on my grandmother's grave was a female IRL and turned out to be a guy. (And no, they weren't stupid flirty - they were nice, polite, sensitive, really good friends - all that stuff you don't normally expect from a guy.) When I found out they were guys IRL it was like - Whoa! What?! You can get to be pretty good friends with people through games and then to find out something relatively large like that, something you had no idea about, is kinda weird. Like you generally know if someone's married, or has kids, or lives in Europe - so it's weird to think you know someone fairly well and then find out something like that. (They didn't lie about being a girl, it was just assumed that they were because of how nice they were, LOL.)
But I don't really care, I've had tons of friends who played female characters because, according to them, the "butt was prettier". Most of my guy friends who play female characters are very distinguishable as guys, LOL.
As for the OP's question on special treatment - I have had lots of people give me stuff, but I don't know if it's cuz I'm a girl or cuz I REALLY suck at making money in games. REALLY. I think sometimes my clanmates just give me stuff cuz it's hurting them for their healer to be so badly equipped, LOL. I don't think I've ever gotten special treatment for being a girl. I've been in a pretty competitive clan most of my MMO career - either you're good at what you do or not, gender has nothing to do with it.
And just a little side note - while I cannot possibly claim to know every person that posts on the internet, those posters that say "Girls don't play MMOs!" and "pictures/voice com proves nothing!" generally strike me as really immature and/or very young. I think more mature male players realize that girls do play games and when they are friends with a person, in a clan with a person, and that person says that they are a girl IRL - they believe them. In fact, I've found that most guys figure out on their own that I'm a girl IRL and I don't even have to mention it. Yeah, there might be some guys who will lie about being a girl for a little while, but not too many are going to keep up that pretense through a long-term friendship.
It's because you are a girl, but also judging from the way you speak here it's because you speak respectfully. However you do say you are in a competitive clan and I do think the level of players competitiveness (singular or collectively) also affects the situation. Competitive players worry about winning (on whatever level) first, which would consist of aiding and equipping those in their clan before giving presents because youre a girl gamer.
How did you get into the clan? Did you inquire first or did some player just run up and say hey join my guild?
I treat people the way they treat me regardless of gender. Thing is, girls are often way more friendly and more fun to chat with than boys, wich makes it easier to treat them with respect. I'm not saying this is the case 100% of the time, but most of the time.
"What's a cocksmoker?"
Agreed. However, I usually give 'em time to offer creds/items first, then tell 'em after the trade. That kicks 'em in the ego even harder.
-- Brede
I like girls.
If you want to play with guys, or gender benders that's up to you.
I like playing with guys and gender benders too.
But I crave female attention. We're not going to get married. We're not going to end up in bed or even ever meeting. But you will be my fantasy in those lonely hours. Your voice and your contact will soothe my addiction.
I do save a lot of stuff to give to girls. Girl specific stuff. Flowers, perfumes, "A steamy romance novel". Then again I save stuff to give everyone I want to play more with.
I find a little goodwill goes along way. Try it yourself. It's not just in games it works well. Buy the barmaid a drink, when you order yours. Buy the person at the bar next to you one as well. Take some flowers and chocolates and cakes into work with you for your work mates. When you visit your friend, bring a bottle of wine, a case of beer, some sweets or toys for the children.
This is a basic social skill. People in life will respond better to you if you make the effort to please them. Girls included.
If you're the sort who likes to roleplay being a member of the opposite sex, I have to say that you creep me out. It's not such a big issue, but it is very creepy. Really. You get your jollies prick teasing another man? Sticking pins in their ego? The jokes on you.
The rest of us are getting our jollies flirting with members of the opposite sex. We aren't trying to lie to them or make them feel stupid. We are exchanging our mutual attractions. Allowing them to feel more attractive about themselves and they in return are offering the same gifts of confidence to us. We aren't trying to knock eachother down to make ourselves feel superior, to crash people's ego's, we are co-operative. We both build eachother up. We encourage each others to blossom and prosper. Offer the security and appreciation that allows us to feel happier in our daily lives. Spread love to all the people wherever we go.
Really. The joke is on you. You are very sad.
Can't get enough of girls. The attraction to females in mmorpg's is one of the high points of these types of games. I lived in all male enviroments and I have to say they suck. They bring out the worst in people. It is an ugly, ugly thing.
There is no touch nicer than the female touch. So girls, get your ignore lists warmed up and ready to go, because I am a compulsive stalker and I value your company above that of your peers. I'm a willing victim for any activity you have in mind and just the slightest flirt is going to get you added to my friendslist.
It doesn't matter to me. I am just as nice to males as I am to females. I am just as snarky, too, on those days when I am a little off. I tend to give stuff away based on class, level and the gear that I see on the newbie in question, usually after a brief conversation. I tend to be biased in favor of certain classes, regardless of what sex they appear to be or are in real life.
It does matter to other people, though. If it didn't, we wouldn't keep talking about it.
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I have to agree with you shadow, imo i think men who play female characters are just woman trapped in a mans body!!
I don't role play, nor do I play w/ people who role play. So in my little realm of gaming - role play has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. Zilch, zero, nada.
Actually, I was friends w/ the clan leader and several members of the clan from many long pick-up parties in the most popular dungeon back in the day. They lured me into joining their clan once the clan I was in started going downhill (leader quit.) ^_^ I will admit, I had no idea just how competitive they were - or were going to become in the future. I'm not that competitive myself, especially PvP-wise, but all of my friends were in that clan or similar clans, so I've always just viewed pvp as a necessary evil.
In WoW, which has a huge population of hormone-fueled young men waving their e-peens, I tend to give more stuff to female players. In general, they're calmer and more pleasant to deal with.
In EQ2, which has a more laid-back, mature community, I tend to give things away equally. There aren't any huge behavioral differences between male and female players, so I don't favor either gender. I've probably given more things away to male players, simply because I've met more of them.
There's not much to give away in City of Heroes, but I do it equally regardless of gender as well. I've given the most stuff to friends, and to newbies with cool character concepts or costume designs.
As for the gender of the character, it's irrelevant. I don't play any games where the character's gender makes any difference. I give stuff to males playing female characters, females playing male characters, and transsexuals playing robots.
The only time I get weirded out is when a guy playing a girl tries to scam other guys for money by acting provocatively. Or two guys start making their female avatars act out a lesbian fantasy. Or the truly creepy guys who are "roleplaying" a transexual.
I'll occassionally play female toons myself and it really tees me off when I'm not doing anything provocative but some idiot teen keeps sending me requests to cyber.
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I think you will find that the majority of players don't "role play".
If you look at the percentage of RP servers versus normal or even PvP you will find that role players are a very tiny minority of the MMORPG community.
In Live Action or perhaps even a table top game RPG may imply some sort of acting, but in a computer game it simply denotes the game has the same mechanics found in the familiar table top games on which the genre is based. With character classes, skills, weapons and experience points etc. With a world full of quests to do and adventures to explore.
When I play a priest, am not acting out the life of a priest in Asterothia. I'm just playing a game. There is the odd fruitbat, who may want to discuss my Asterothian religion with me, (now there's a conversation difficult to walk away from!) but most people just want to talk about their latest +5000 critiical hit. "Role players" are extremely few and far between in MMO's.
I am not Conan the Cimmerian. I am Baff the Nerd.
If you enjoy role playing good for you, but most of us aren't role playing with you. We are just playing. And even if we were roleplaying, what possible enjoyment would you expect a bloke to get from playing the role of Shee-ra the Seductress. Why even choose that role? There are some very creepy people out there.
I give no one free stuff, regardless whether they are male, female or "other"
As far as playing a character, I prefer to play male characters, since I'm male. I've tried female characters, but didn't care for the experience.
If I'm sure that a player is female I will treat them with a bit more respects, my momma taught me to hold the door for ladies and don't fart or swear in front of them unless we're very familiar.
And hitting on females in games is a no - no.... (not good to hit on males either, at least in my case)
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Gender does not usually matter, but here's an example. Let's say I'm raiding, and a female toon says she wants loot priority. Let's say female toon is hot, and my neighbor, and will give me a "happy ending" to the raid if I comply.
Female toon gets priority.
Being the opposite sex is being provocative. There aren't many things more provocative.
Makes no difference to me. I see everyone else in a MMO as a NPC. As far as Im concerned none of them are real people.
So you're saying that transgenders are 'sad' for being born with bodies and minds that don't match up? It is not wrong to be different. There are heaps of transexuals, gays, and bisexuals in the modern world. I have a few friends in these categories and they are great people who don't need to be told that they are 'sad'. Even if they're straight and they do it for kicks, don't get so pissy, they will do what they want in life. If you don't like it then it is nobody's problem but your own. These are games we are playing, virtual environments in which you can be someone else and live a different life. Please grow up and start treating all people with respect, even if it creeps you out. Learn to not get all freaked out and you will not have a problem. You see, the problem is your ignorance and lack of empathy. It is your problem, not theirs; fix yourself.
I sure you're aware of this, but not all that many females are gamers. Sure, there are some, but the gender of majority in all games is male. Many of the females that do game play with their husbands/boyfriends and are only really there because of them. If you like girls so much, try leaving your house. You'll find many more out there.
I think you will find that you took my joke too seriously.
Because it's fun? But for me, I tend to play myself, an androgynous nerdy geek transgendered person.
People seem to have more issue with people who gender bend than anything else. Guess what? No one owes you anything to make you comfortable at all; period, end of story, and that's all she wrote. If you don't like gender bending, then please ask yourself why, and not expect those that do or are transgendered to obey your petty whims.
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My server has this mentality that it is almost impossible for girls to play WoW, so, therefore, any female toons are actually males.
Therefore, no special treatments in the least. Only four times, in the 8 months I have been on that server, I was left to "live".
Doesn't mean I don't get flirted tho along the way. Allis tend to whistle, drool, kiss, cuddle, personalized macro, THEN they destroy me.
Perfectly fine with me, I don't want special treatment and I want to be viewed as one of the guys..even tho my toon is female
I always get a kick when I get congratulated for a job well done and in their phrasing they mention man, dude, pal, etc..
As for the OP, as previously mentioned, I personally don't get special treatment, but, I also don't make an effort to let people know that I am truly a girl playing a girl toon.
A lot of people tend to play differently when they know an actual girl is playing and make a lot of mistakes during that time just to impresse them.
I've learned the hard way, so, when I created my new toon, I made sure to not let anyone know unless it was a guild member that we whisper on regular basis or just a person I've met along the way and become friends with.
I don't care tho if you are an actual guy or girl. If you are new to the game and are respectful * no begging, demanding, and can actually formulate a somewhat intelligent sentence* I'll gladly help out. Even to the not so new people.
I think you will find that you took my joke too seriously.
Because it's fun? But for me, I tend to play myself, an androgynous nerdy geek transgendered person.
People seem to have more issue with people who gender bend than anything else. Guess what? No one owes you anything to make you comfortable at all; period, end of story, and that's all she wrote. If you don't like gender bending, then please ask yourself why, and not expect those that do or are transgendered to obey your petty whims.
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There are the kinds of people who seek to put other people at their ease and the kind of people who don't.
I know who's company I prefer.
You aren't in anyway required to adhere to the norms of society and niceties of social grace, as you so rightly say. You may however find it benefits you to do so. A lot of people do. Openness and honesty are generally easier for people to deal with than obscurement and misdirection. As I said before, it's not the end of the world, but social graces can really help a person interact more enjoyably with others.
I think you will find my attitudes to gender bending already stated. No need to speculate on what they are, just refer back to what's already been said.
So you're saying that transgenders are 'sad' for being born with bodies and minds that don't match up? It is not wrong to be different. There are heaps of transexuals, gays, and bisexuals in the modern world. I have a few friends in these categories and they are great people who don't need to be told that they are 'sad'. Even if they're straight and they do it for kicks, don't get so pissy, they will do what they want in life. If you don't like it then it is nobody's problem but your own. These are games we are playing, virtual environments in which you can be someone else and live a different life. Please grow up and start treating all people with respect, even if it creeps you out. Learn to not get all freaked out and you will not have a problem. You see, the problem is your ignorance and lack of empathy. It is your problem, not theirs; fix yourself.
I sure you're aware of this, but not all that many females are gamers. Sure, there are some, but the gender of majority in all games is male. Many of the females that do game play with their husbands/boyfriends and are only really there because of them. If you like girls so much, try leaving your house. You'll find many more out there.
I don't believe I am saying any of this no. Any issue you have with this subject is clearly your own.
I think I mention my opinon on gender benders in the third line of my post that you have quoted. Please target your crusade for sexual tolerance elsewhere. I have no intrest in it.
And yes many of the girls I play with do have husbands and boyfriends and guess what, I still like to play with them. I still prefer to play with them. I also play with single girls too. And yes I also meet girls in my home, outside my home and everywhere I go. I flirt with girls on the phone, in rush hour traffic, I pull in the supermarket, at the nightclub, at the dentist, in church, at work. Everywhere I go. There has never been any shortage. One in every two people is a girl.
Computer games are by no means the only place I enjoy female contact. I see no reason why my social interactions online should by any different from those offline. Just because a girl is playing a game online doesn't mean she doesn't want to be found attractive by men. It doesn't change anything.
It is basic good manners to demonstrate sexual attraction to members of the opposite sex. Online or off. Married or single. Old or young, beautiful or disfigured. A compliment, a greeting marked with a kiss. It's the little niceties that make all the difference.
Not according to this post, which I find troubling.
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