Heh I hope so because when I get it I hope 90% of the population doesn't leave for AoC or WAR
Both AoC and WAR, in my opinion, are overrated. You will be suprised how not succesful both of them will be. Those''bla bla wow beater'' games just don't exists.
So any mmorgp without 8mil subs is a failure? hardly. I'm pretty sure both AoC and WAR (WAR for sure) will be succesful, meaning somewhere around 500k-1mil subs. They wont touch WoW ofc, but still succesful.
If you have no intention to read a post, dont post anything. Also, I'm quite sure both AoC and WAR will reach 8mln subsribers.
This is after all the WoW forum... u answering the post with someone worried about WoW players leaving for WAR or AoC... yes I was waaay out of line assuming that you were comparing WAR / AoC to WoW
In any case, I cant see AoC reaching 8mil subs considering systemreqs etc. But I do hope both games are very succesful
Originally posted by sven101 Also, I'm quite sure both AoC and WAR will reach 8mln subsribers.
Neither game has even been released yet, precious little is known about them, and yet you think they'll have 8 million people playing them? Each?
To be honest, I'd be surprised if both of them put together even manage half that much.
Ye but the best part is that on page 1 he claims both games will be "not succesful", at the same time he´s apparently convinced they will both reach 8mil subs... How many million subs do future mmos need to be succesful I wonder?
People need to understand that wow attracts all ages. However, from my experience (1.5 years) the firmly established and dedicated guilds that have a website, dkp system, raiding, and ventrillo, are usually people ranging from the late teens to mid 20s.
The creators of wow have recently said that they believe the game will have a lifespan of ten years, meaning the game will still be popular and successful for another 7.5 years.
Wow is slowly losing its US player base, while its european player base is steadily climbing. However, it is the asian market, specifically China, where wow is becoming a huge hit and growing rapidly. Due to the Chinese having an economy very different then the US and Europe, the chinese typically pay by the hour rather then a monthly fee. However, they still make up the majority of wow's player base.
To conclude, wow will probably be around for a long time and still be successful. It has been extremely polished and continues to do so. I do see WAR as the closest possible rival for wow. Even some of the top guilds in the world for wow are talking about switching to WAR.
Let's actually state why WOW is still popular and will be for awhile..... 1. Cartoonish graphics - why do you think kiddies like it I bet you will find more adults prefer non realistic cartoony and kids Want real life looking stuff. Adults, we all ready live in the real world, have real world issues, homes and finaces, when we play a Fantasy video game, its to have fun and relax, the last thing you want is realisum and taxes and life like stuff. 2. Mommy and daddy approve - no gore here! Again, there is enough GORE in real life , war in iraq, shootings, multi car pile ups on the commute to work EVERYDAY, as a adult I really dont want to see more of that junk in my face when I go to play a game to relax and have fun. only Teens and horror film fans want to see blood and guts all over the place and that is only because they are rebelling against there parents and want to do stuff there not suppose to. 3. Game Cards - kiddies can go to wal-mart and buy a card to play Kids use mommies Credit card, College students who have over extened ther credit with college loans buy at wal-mart. Yeah Im sure you see Flocks of teenagers in Wal-mart everyday .... LOL wtf ever
4. easy play - and may i state harshly EASY GAME PLAY! Matter of opinion, what game is "hard" to play, there all easy you just have a blind hate for wow and need to get over it. Now why WOW is hated by others....which i am one 1. cartoonish graphics - if i wanted to play a cartoon game i go play on disney.com you can have your own opinion ... nothing wrong with wishing you can see real people cut to peices... 0.o .... scarey, seek help TBH
2. community - because of the above items the community is childish of course and will be that way....they are rude kiddies I play on Kael'tha server Awsome commuinty , great guild. I think tho maybe you shouldI play a game before you judge its community of 8.5 million copies sold. Cause chances are with such a big number. Not every single one of us people that enjoy WOW are the same as I bet a really small group that apperently made you really upset to hate the whole game and community so much. I suggest Open thinking and maybe anger management classes. you seem to have alot of blind rage and hate over a video game. 3. gold sellers - got to love them wow and gold sellers are destroying the mmo world .... thanks kiddies First of all I find is rediculious your blaming Kids for Gold sellers. Secondly if you had a clue and actually played the game you would know that Blizzard has made measures in game to STOP THE SPAM. and they are the only commpany to Actually file lawsuit and close down several Gold selling web sites, Stopped E-BAy from selling accounts on that auction service. and in fact have banned thousands of accounts for selling gold. You really need to get a grip you stating issues that no longer exsist and its making you look like a Blind hatered filled Fool. 4. the game has nothing - all you do is run and run and run you get high lvls fast and its no competiotion.... Yes , its a video game, Not real life. No game will ever give you what ever it is your lacking in real life, there GAMES! they are for fun and entertainment. i went from 1 to 60 in no time and when burning came out i played it one hour and noticed it was the same crap! I wish I was so skilled that I could can experinance and Judge the entire content of TBC in 1 hour, and all further improvents since that point, including the 2 new raid dungeons and all the other new features they added sicne TBC has gone live.
SAME ... really so you could always be lvl 70, have flying mounts, be a jewel crafter, be a Blood elf, be a draenie, go to all the dungeons in Outlands, fight Illiadan in the balck temple in a 25 man raid, explore the Troll fortress in Ghost lands ? really thats all the same is it? so you could always PVP in the eye of the storm huh? and there was guild banks and voice chat?
The game is not what you claim and Truthfully if you really really made up your mind and you really hate WOW so much, I suggest you move on, go find what makes you happy. Stop trolling here with wrong information, makes you look stupid and irrates real players.
Tthere is many many of us that Love wow and more ppl are joining everyday, Truth is there is not a beter game out. No matter how much you HATE wow, it will not change the fact Games are not ment to replace what you feel your missing in real life.
there suppose to be for FUN, not to experiance real life thru. and wow is perfect for that, its a fantasy filled ORC and goblin and elf killing dragons and exploring dungeons
IT NOT REAL LIFE !!!!!!! nor should it try to be.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
For me it all comes down to this really... a matter of opinion stated as truth. Great. You just bashed his entire post saying it was just based on opinions and this is your conclusion?
I played WoW from beta til 2 months ago... I would recommend it to a friend (they have all tried it by now anyways) but imo its not the best game. WoW has a shitload of good stuff, but also plenty of bad ones. For _me_, there's no "best game" out there atm. I'm hoping it might be AoC or WAR. Altho, as to not get bogged into a WAR vs WoW flamefest later, I'll say it right now: I doubt AoC or WAR will come even close to WoW in subs.
hmm. World of Warcraft have already lost 2 million subscriber and that is only a ½ year into TBC.
where did you get this Idea?
Link your source please. Cause If they lost SO many people why are they doing free transfers due to so many servers becoming filled up?
Why has TBC topped sales over entire Stand alone Games? why is my server getting new to game People everyday?
Try naming a source of your subs Lost other then , cause you and a few buddies stopped playing Dont meen 2 million people act just like you.
as Far as Bashing...read the post I replied to , that person has a blind hate of the Game. ANd yes right now I honestly dont think any current game has the fast service updates and altogether Solid game that WOW has. I play it, I have fun, Im sure in the future Ill play and enjoy other games.
That dont meen you have to walk in here and BASH 8.5 million players plus the game they love cause 1 person had a bad experiance or was mad at things that dont even exsisit anymore.
that Guy came in here trolled and flamed a game I happen to really enjoy, I at least gave reasons why I disagreed with that person, I could have just yelled blind hate back at him. or called him a noob or some other retarded real bashing.
No I gave debatable reasons and opinions as a current Player of the game he quit 6 months ago and is trying to act like he was logged in yesterday.If you think what I did was bashing then you havent seen some one really get flamed.
Look how he claimed tehre was nothing new, when clearly there is ALOt of stuff added to the game.
Why cant people just say , I played it, out grew it, lots of other people still enjoy it, End of story. No they have come in here and rant that ALL WOW players are kids, were not, in my guild we are mostly people in our 30's and there is 320+ people in this guild.
If you love something and it gets attacked even if just in slanderous words, Would you sit back and let some guy that hasn't even played in 6 months bash your Game? or would you state your opinion and the FACT of the new stuff he claimed didnt exsist?
if I was going to be passive and not speak my mind would I even read this forum?
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
The 800 pound gorilla will look more like a cuddly chimpanzee by the end of next year. It will still be a strong game but the true impact of the BC will become apparent when WAR is released. Right now it's not as noticeable as there simply is no alternative for players but no worries .... it's coming!
Or it will simply smash Warhammer in the same way it did Vanguard, Guildwars and the rest.
vanguard was smashed by false promises and crappy devs soe = fail
now guild wars was not smashed by wow last time i checked guild wars has the 2nd biggest community out there at 3.5 million sold
yes wow has 8million sold but thats not because they smashed them, wow is a great game and so is guild wars there was no smashing involved and people who say that are preety ignorant because games by themselves up for failure or success and guild wars is not doing to bad
and comon fanboys and girls open ur minds stop closing them with this wow pwns all 1337 hax attitude i mean i have a 70 and i have a 20 in guild wars i like them both
hmm. World of Warcraft have already lost 2 million subscriber and that is only a ½ year into TBC.
Hahahahahaha...
Do you even play the game? Or did you ever?
Sheesh, I can't even level my alts cause all regions are full, and on PvP server that means constant ganking, corpse camping and so on. Population is high, at least on Europe servers, and trust me, since I can see people play in my workplace, it does not look like dwindling any time soon.
Why has TBC topped sales over entire Stand alone Games? why is my server getting new to game People everyday?
Actually, this question puzzles me to. 2.5 years into the release and I'm always amazed when I see someone say... "I'm new to playing WOW etc etc." I usually assume they are a newly arrived 14 year old gamer, but frequently the person is 28 or older.......
I think to myself...where in the world have you been? How could you wait so long to give it a try? What would change your mind now after waiting so long?
Well, I waited 4 years to try EVE, so maybe its some of that, but EVE had a lot of baggage, bad press and what not... Can't imagine how anyone stayed away from WOW for so long... (unless this type of game just totally didn't appeal to them in the first place)
WOW is definitely losing people at a steady rate, I know many people who've stopped playing... but the question is....do the new subs exceed those exiting... I think so far the numbers seem to say that they are.....
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Let's actually state why WOW is still popular and will be for awhile..... 1. Cartoonish graphics - why do you think kiddies like it 2. Mommy and daddy approve - no gore here! 3. Game Cards - kiddies can go to wal-mart and buy a card to play 4. easy play - and may i state harshly EASY GAME PLAY! Now why WOW is hated by others....which i am one 1. cartoonish graphics - if i wanted to play a cartoon game i go play on disney.com 2. community - because of the above items the community is childish of course and will be that way....they are rude kiddies 3. gold sellers - got to love them wow and gold sellers are destroying the mmo world .... thanks kiddies 4. the game has nothing - all you do is run and run and run you get high lvls fast and its no competiotion.... i went from 1 to 60 in no time and when burning came out i played it one hour and noticed it was the same crap!
I am 38 and played for a year and never got to level 50. Play the game you think is the funnest. Trashing other games does nothing.
Why has TBC topped sales over entire Stand alone Games? why is my server getting new to game People everyday?
Actually, this question puzzles me to. 2.5 years into the release and I'm always amazed when I see someone say... "I'm new to playing WOW etc etc." I usually assume they are a newly arrived 14 year old gamer, but frequently the person is 28 or older.......
I think to myself...where in the world have you been? How could you wait so long to give it a try? What would change your mind now after waiting so long?
Well, I waited 4 years to try EVE, so maybe its some of that, but EVE had a lot of baggage, bad press and what not... Can't imagine how anyone stayed away from WOW for so long... (unless this type of game just totally didn't appeal to them in the first place)
WOW is definitely losing people at a steady rate, I know many people who've stopped playing... but the question is....do the new subs exceed those exiting... I think so far the numbers seem to say that they are.....
although why I can't say....
For one thing I just started playing in Feb.
I never played WOW prior to that cause I was spending all my time in RF on-line, and before that I was in SWG till NGE went live.
WOW came out when I was still very dedicated to SWG, then when that ordeal was happening I had a choice of ,, WOW, EQ2, and RF... and TBH I wanted Sci fi.. so I went to RF...
Well that was fruitless, and I have a few co-workers that play WOW , so I was like. well Ill come hang out , who knows, even tho fantasy really isn't my thing Im sure just hanging out with RL friends will be fun till a new SCIFI comes out.
Turns out WOW is a decent simple pick up and play type of game, I relax have a great time PVPing in Battle gronds and love the guild we have of mostly poeple our age in our late 20's and early 30's.
I imagine due to the lack of decent MMOs out there and people DO eventaully get tired of counter strike and other FPS junk they try something.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
It's true game suffered a lot 3-4 months ago. I quit myself because every guy I knew was quitting, guilds were disbanding cause lack of players, big guilds recruited 10 new people per week, so I went to try LOTRO and few offline games. But the process stopped now. I see new guilds everyday, newbie zones have their fair share of people regarding the age of game/server. Hell, I am asked twice a day where my orange tiger mount is from. IMO Vanguard and LOTRO helped WoW a lot to make it through the crisis. The 2nd Arena season introduced awesome gear. Even raiders started complaining. Crafting is booming. Guess that's the end of "raid or die" philosophy.
I think the game is just simply aging. Alot of MMo's that are coming out are using better technology which seems more appealing to people. WoW was a fun game and still is to some but the game is just too simple. People expect more out of a MMO other then level grinding these days.
I think the game is just simply aging. Alot of MMo's that are coming out are using better technology which seems more appealing to people. WoW was a fun game and still is to some but the game is just too simple. People expect more out of a MMO other then level grinding these days.
LOL!!!!
level grinding!!! level grinding!!!!!!
there is no such thing in WOW... there is a billion and 1 quests and story arcs and faction to get rep, PVP, and instances....
Grinding, NO wow player knows what real grinding is.
Go try RF on-line or any Korean MMORPG, where there is NO quests, NO STORY, just mob levels in a range close to your current level that you can get xp off...
anyone that says WOW is a grind hasn't even sampled some of the games on the market, RF, 9 dragons, silk road..... try a few and see what a GRIND game really is.
RPG games are suppose to be talk to NPC, get quest , get rewards, THAT IS WHAT wow is... it is the only game out that actually lives upto the real defination of a RPG game...
LOL wow a grind... that is just plain old funny.... really try RF online where you kill one kind of mob from lvl 40- 48 ... and there is only 50 levels in game.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
I agree with Miataka. WoW is only a grind if you use the term in the most loose interpretation of the term possible. A real grindfest is an asian game where there is about 30 quests total in the entire game and all you get to do is kill the same mob over and over for 10 levels straight, or the system making it more profitable to kill a ton of lowbie mobs instead of higher level ones in order to level. WoW is not a grind fest at all, and no I dont play it for a number of reasons, thank you.
WoW's 8million+ doesn't mean those are active accounts, just sold and even then it's a number released from Blizzard. Folks who are throwing numbers around in this topic from BOTH sides don't have anything to base their numbers on. Blizzard has to maintain forward progression appearances which BIG numbers tend to do, even if things are slow or worse. Once the snowball starts downhill it only picks up speed and trickle numbers would cast that appearance.
WoW is still the biggest and the baddest out there and will remain so for some time to come but as with all empires of old, time will come when it's old and tired and eventually it will totter and fall. Next year? 09? Have to wait and see. Not much can be gauged in 2-3 month increments of time. 6-12 months is the least measurement to time to factor market shares even if there is the occasional 'short term slide'.
Then you can throw out the fact that as long as a game is fun and you enjoy it. I know some folks who were playing the 2D side scroller The Realm and loved it! So to you folks who are rabidly fighting for their side of the WOW/WAR argument; just sit back and relax until both games are out and the general populace of players makes their picks. THEN you can all pull out your soapboxes and start trying to convert the heathens among you
DId you just say that WoW is the only MMo that lives up to being called an RPG? im resisting the urge to lash out wildly.. but you should look at a few more games before you make that bold statement.. FFXI for example, and from what ive heard EQ would be a good place to start
I think the game is just simply aging. Alot of MMo's that are coming out are using better technology which seems more appealing to people. WoW was a fun game and still is to some but the game is just too simple. People expect more out of a MMO other then level grinding these days.
LOL!!!!
level grinding!!! level grinding!!!!!!
there is no such thing in WOW... there is a billion and 1 quests and story arcs and faction to get rep, PVP, and instances....
Grinding, NO wow player knows what real grinding is.
Go try RF on-line or any Korean MMORPG, where there is NO quests, NO STORY, just mob levels in a range close to your current level that you can get xp off...
anyone that says WOW is a grind hasn't even sampled some of the games on the market, RF, 9 dragons, silk road..... try a few and see what a GRIND game really is.
RPG games are suppose to be talk to NPC, get quest , get rewards, THAT IS WHAT wow is... it is the only game out that actually lives upto the real defination of a RPG game...
LOL wow a grind... that is just plain old funny.... really try RF online where you kill one kind of mob from lvl 40- 48 ... and there is only 50 levels in game.
It may not be as long of a grind as FFXi MMo ( which I have completed to the very end )or any other asian MMo's but it really doesn't offer alot. FFXI has quests too but people still call it grind :P The PvP is pretty awful in WoW. Alot of people play the game because it is so easy to play and some like it that way. Anyone who has never played a MMo before can simply purchase WoW and learn how to play in a very short time. It is not rocket science.
Miataka, I understand your points, and respect your viewpoint..but why are you spewing this venom from your mouth like a cheeseburger vacating a belemics stomach?
Some of your points are valid, some are just ridiculous..but you sound like someone just walked into the vatican and told the pope that jesus didn't die on the cross....calm down.
Miataka, I understand your points, and respect your viewpoint..but why are you spewing this venom from your mouth like a cheeseburger vacating a belemics stomach? Some of your points are valid, some are just ridiculous..but you sound like someone just walked into the vatican and told the pope that jesus didn't die on the cross....calm down. D.
I seen many of your posts and I find you to be a very reasonable person, Im glad to see mature replies.
The main problem I have is people fabricating info to slander something Obviously ALOT of people including myself are enjoying.
Yes I do get passionate but I state what I feel, Its not a matter of statistic when it comes to some of theses posts are blatent lies and slander of a game that they Hate, simple because its popular, or because they didn't find what they were searching for.
Like the simple fact Most players today are too young to even realize what games like WOW and EQ2, EQ1 , L2 and fantasy genre in genral are even based on, and then you have people that seen someone somehwere say something, a term they don't fulley understand and then try throwing this term arround.
Such as Grind, or RPG.
A real Grind involves NO quests , no NPC, just mobs of a certain level in a area. Like RF online. thats a grind game.
RPG , now this is where i do get very passionate about. See Im a older player. Im 32 years old. and I was one of those few Players back in high school that Played AD&D, dice and paper game. The godfather of RPG genre.
People are always talking about PVP this, PVP that... in RPGs there was no PVP, AT ALL. until late late 80's TSR released Birthright and DarkSun settings that had PVP elements. I see people cry about how a game sucks cause the PVP is poor, often heard from ppl refering to WOW. You know what I have found in all the games Ive played, that sets WOW pvp differnet then all other games, two things.
1) Its balanced, there is no Jedi, uber, I win , super PWNer class. If you gear up and are near same level you have a even fight unless your just a button masher that dont even know how to use your class, and even then, they can accidentally win.
2) No matter How much a person Wants it to be, RPGs are not FPS games, they have lag, they have set mechanics. The number one complainer of WOW pvp are former FPS gammers, that expect 1 shot kills and massive steady non-stop PVP action from the second they log in to the second they log out.
Then there are those people that feel there is no penalty, like XP loss, or being able to loot the player you kill. This is a game, it is ment for fun. Those people that feel they should be able to make anyone PVP them and then take there gear need serious therepy , that level of out right aggression, rage, hate and seeking to DO harm to someone else against there will is just plain old sick. they obviously have issues steming from out side real world trauma and shouldn't be mixing reality with a fantasty video game anyway.
In the end, a video game should be easy, FUN, above all else fun. its a game you where you play a character in a fictious realm of legendary beasts and heroic quests. It shouldNOT be a 8 hour a day Full time Job, It shouldNOT be realistic and have life altering dramatic consiquences. It should NOT have griefing tools to harass and take your fustrations out on real people playing the other characters in game.
Its a video game, Not real life. We have too much pain, suffering and things WE HAVE to do in real life, that we Shouldn't have to experiance that in what is suppose to be our form of entertainment. I dont know about the rest of you, BUT Im not here PAYING a company to MAKE you or anyone else have a life like experiance, Im here to be a elf, cow person, orc, or dwarf, going on heroic quests to save a fictional land of NPC's from monsters, dragons and demons. I'm not here in WOW or any Game to have real life issues, like war and taxes.
The puropose of forums like this is to state your ideas and opinions, these happen to be mine.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that) ~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA) MiaTaka ~ RF On-line (Fire Server) -Mia- takahashi ~SWG (Europe-chimaera) Miataki Valeinca ~EQ 2 (everfrost) MiaTaka Soyinka ~Second Life
This website is gathering data for years now - VERY reliable source
www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php
For example, last few months I started playing again, and noticed how every region now has at least 3 horde to one alliance players (yes, I'm leveling several alts in different places)
This website shows me exactly that - because of the greatest guild in EU, Nihilum, which is ony my server, Magtheridon, there is great influx of horde characters, both new and transferred from other servers. Now there is almost 3 hordes to 1 alliance player.
And check out the whole numbers of players on EU and US servers. Add the (unknown to me) numbers of Chinese and Koreans.
Someone said 8.5 millions isn't the number of active accounts. Well, that can only say a guy who DOES NOT play WoW and can't see so many people playing in every zone. If they counted the inactive ones, lol, I'm scared to even think of THAT number.
WoW's 8million+ doesn't mean those are active accounts, just sold and even then it's a number released from Blizzard. Folks who are throwing numbers around in this topic from BOTH sides don't have anything to base their numbers on. Blizzard has to maintain forward progression appearances which BIG numbers tend to do, even if things are slow or worse. Once the snowball starts downhill it only picks up speed and trickle numbers would cast that appearance. WoW is still the biggest and the baddest out there and will remain so for some time to come but as with all empires of old, time will come when it's old and tired and eventually it will totter and fall. Next year? 09? Have to wait and see. Not much can be gauged in 2-3 month increments of time. 6-12 months is the least measurement to time to factor market shares even if there is the occasional 'short term slide'.
Then you can throw out the fact that as long as a game is fun and you enjoy it. I know some folks who were playing the 2D side scroller The Realm and loved it! So to you folks who are rabidly fighting for their side of the WOW/WAR argument; just sit back and relax until both games are out and the general populace of players makes their picks. THEN you can all pull out your soapboxes and start trying to convert the heathens among you
True, but I'm sure that if the 8.5 million figure was a pack of lies made up by Blizzard, someone would have called them out on this a long time ago. That no one has kind of argues that the figure is accurate, no matter how much the people who dislike the game might try to argue.
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Let's actually state why WOW is still popular and will be for awhile.....
1. Cartoonish graphics - why do you think kiddies like it
2. Mommy and daddy approve - no gore here!
3. Game Cards - kiddies can go to wal-mart and buy a card to play
4. easy play - and may i state harshly EASY GAME PLAY!
Now why WOW is hated by others....which i am one
1. cartoonish graphics - if i wanted to play a cartoon game i go play on disney.com
2. community - because of the above items the community is childish of course and will be that way....they are rude kiddies
3. gold sellers - got to love them wow and gold sellers are destroying the mmo world .... thanks kiddies
4. the game has nothing - all you do is run and run and run you get high lvls fast and its no competiotion....
i went from 1 to 60 in no time and when burning came out i played it one hour and noticed it was the same crap!
Both AoC and WAR, in my opinion, are overrated. You will be suprised how not succesful both of them will be. Those''bla bla wow beater'' games just don't exists.
So any mmorgp without 8mil subs is a failure? hardly. I'm pretty sure both AoC and WAR (WAR for sure) will be succesful, meaning somewhere around 500k-1mil subs. They wont touch WoW ofc, but still succesful.
If you have no intention to read a post, dont post anything. Also, I'm quite sure both AoC and WAR will reach 8mln subsribers.
This is after all the WoW forum... u answering the post with someone worried about WoW players leaving for WAR or AoC... yes I was waaay out of line assuming that you were comparing WAR / AoC to WoW
In any case, I cant see AoC reaching 8mil subs considering systemreqs etc. But I do hope both games are very succesful
Neither game has even been released yet, precious little is known about them, and yet you think they'll have 8 million people playing them? Each?
To be honest, I'd be surprised if both of them put together even manage half that much.
Ye but the best part is that on page 1 he claims both games will be "not succesful", at the same time he´s apparently convinced they will both reach 8mil subs... How many million subs do future mmos need to be succesful I wonder?
People need to understand that wow attracts all ages. However, from my experience (1.5 years) the firmly established and dedicated guilds that have a website, dkp system, raiding, and ventrillo, are usually people ranging from the late teens to mid 20s.
The creators of wow have recently said that they believe the game will have a lifespan of ten years, meaning the game will still be popular and successful for another 7.5 years.
Wow is slowly losing its US player base, while its european player base is steadily climbing. However, it is the asian market, specifically China, where wow is becoming a huge hit and growing rapidly. Due to the Chinese having an economy very different then the US and Europe, the chinese typically pay by the hour rather then a monthly fee. However, they still make up the majority of wow's player base.
To conclude, wow will probably be around for a long time and still be successful. It has been extremely polished and continues to do so. I do see WAR as the closest possible rival for wow. Even some of the top guilds in the world for wow are talking about switching to WAR.
The game is not what you claim and Truthfully if you really really made up your mind and you really hate WOW so much, I suggest you move on, go find what makes you happy. Stop trolling here with wrong information, makes you look stupid and irrates real players.
Tthere is many many of us that Love wow and more ppl are joining everyday, Truth is there is not a beter game out. No matter how much you HATE wow, it will not change the fact Games are not ment to replace what you feel your missing in real life.
there suppose to be for FUN, not to experiance real life thru. and wow is perfect for that, its a fantasy filled ORC and goblin and elf killing dragons and exploring dungeons
IT NOT REAL LIFE !!!!!!! nor should it try to be.
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hmm. World of Warcraft have already lost 2 million subscriber and that is only a ½ year into TBC.
I played WoW from beta til 2 months ago... I would recommend it to a friend (they have all tried it by now anyways) but imo its not the best game. WoW has a shitload of good stuff, but also plenty of bad ones. For _me_, there's no "best game" out there atm. I'm hoping it might be AoC or WAR. Altho, as to not get bogged into a WAR vs WoW flamefest later, I'll say it right now: I doubt AoC or WAR will come even close to WoW in subs.
where did you get this Idea?
Link your source please. Cause If they lost SO many people why are they doing free transfers due to so many servers becoming filled up?
Why has TBC topped sales over entire Stand alone Games? why is my server getting new to game People everyday?
Try naming a source of your subs Lost other then , cause you and a few buddies stopped playing Dont meen 2 million people act just like you.
as Far as Bashing...read the post I replied to , that person has a blind hate of the Game. ANd yes right now I honestly dont think any current game has the fast service updates and altogether Solid game that WOW has. I play it, I have fun, Im sure in the future Ill play and enjoy other games.
That dont meen you have to walk in here and BASH 8.5 million players plus the game they love cause 1 person had a bad experiance or was mad at things that dont even exsisit anymore.
that Guy came in here trolled and flamed a game I happen to really enjoy, I at least gave reasons why I disagreed with that person, I could have just yelled blind hate back at him. or called him a noob or some other retarded real bashing.
No I gave debatable reasons and opinions as a current Player of the game he quit 6 months ago and is trying to act like he was logged in yesterday.If you think what I did was bashing then you havent seen some one really get flamed.
Look how he claimed tehre was nothing new, when clearly there is ALOt of stuff added to the game.
Why cant people just say , I played it, out grew it, lots of other people still enjoy it, End of story. No they have come in here and rant that ALL WOW players are kids, were not, in my guild we are mostly people in our 30's and there is 320+ people in this guild.
If you love something and it gets attacked even if just in slanderous words, Would you sit back and let some guy that hasn't even played in 6 months bash your Game? or would you state your opinion and the FACT of the new stuff he claimed didnt exsist?
if I was going to be passive and not speak my mind would I even read this forum?
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
Neither AoC or WAR has a change of getting 8mil. Not even combined.
Until you cancel your subscription, you are only helping to continue the cycle of mediocrity.
Or it will simply smash Warhammer in the same way it did Vanguard, Guildwars and the rest.
vanguard was smashed by false promises and crappy devs soe = fail
now guild wars was not smashed by wow last time i checked guild wars has the 2nd biggest community out there at 3.5 million sold
yes wow has 8million sold but thats not because they smashed them, wow is a great game and so is guild wars there was no smashing involved and people who say that are preety ignorant because games by themselves up for failure or success and guild wars is not doing to bad
and comon fanboys and girls open ur minds stop closing them with this wow pwns all 1337 hax attitude i mean i have a 70 and i have a 20 in guild wars i like them both
Do you even play the game? Or did you ever?
Sheesh, I can't even level my alts cause all regions are full, and on PvP server that means constant ganking, corpse camping and so on. Population is high, at least on Europe servers, and trust me, since I can see people play in my workplace, it does not look like dwindling any time soon.
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I think to myself...where in the world have you been? How could you wait so long to give it a try? What would change your mind now after waiting so long?
Well, I waited 4 years to try EVE, so maybe its some of that, but EVE had a lot of baggage, bad press and what not... Can't imagine how anyone stayed away from WOW for so long... (unless this type of game just totally didn't appeal to them in the first place)
WOW is definitely losing people at a steady rate, I know many people who've stopped playing... but the question is....do the new subs exceed those exiting... I think so far the numbers seem to say that they are.....
although why I can't say....
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I am 38 and played for a year and never got to level 50. Play the game you think is the funnest. Trashing other games does nothing.
I think to myself...where in the world have you been? How could you wait so long to give it a try? What would change your mind now after waiting so long?
Well, I waited 4 years to try EVE, so maybe its some of that, but EVE had a lot of baggage, bad press and what not... Can't imagine how anyone stayed away from WOW for so long... (unless this type of game just totally didn't appeal to them in the first place)
WOW is definitely losing people at a steady rate, I know many people who've stopped playing... but the question is....do the new subs exceed those exiting... I think so far the numbers seem to say that they are.....
although why I can't say....
For one thing I just started playing in Feb.I never played WOW prior to that cause I was spending all my time in RF on-line, and before that I was in SWG till NGE went live.
WOW came out when I was still very dedicated to SWG, then when that ordeal was happening I had a choice of ,, WOW, EQ2, and RF... and TBH I wanted Sci fi.. so I went to RF...
Well that was fruitless, and I have a few co-workers that play WOW , so I was like. well Ill come hang out , who knows, even tho fantasy really isn't my thing Im sure just hanging out with RL friends will be fun till a new SCIFI comes out.
Turns out WOW is a decent simple pick up and play type of game, I relax have a great time PVPing in Battle gronds and love the guild we have of mostly poeple our age in our late 20's and early 30's.
I imagine due to the lack of decent MMOs out there and people DO eventaully get tired of counter strike and other FPS junk they try something.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
It's true game suffered a lot 3-4 months ago. I quit myself because every guy I knew was quitting, guilds were disbanding cause lack of players, big guilds recruited 10 new people per week, so I went to try LOTRO and few offline games. But the process stopped now. I see new guilds everyday, newbie zones have their fair share of people regarding the age of game/server. Hell, I am asked twice a day where my orange tiger mount is from. IMO Vanguard and LOTRO helped WoW a lot to make it through the crisis.
The 2nd Arena season introduced awesome gear. Even raiders started complaining. Crafting is booming. Guess that's the end of "raid or die" philosophy.
I think the game is just simply aging. Alot of MMo's that are coming out are using better technology which seems more appealing to people. WoW was a fun game and still is to some but the game is just too simple. People expect more out of a MMO other then level grinding these days.
level grinding!!! level grinding!!!!!!
there is no such thing in WOW... there is a billion and 1 quests and story arcs and faction to get rep, PVP, and instances....
Grinding, NO wow player knows what real grinding is.
Go try RF on-line or any Korean MMORPG, where there is NO quests, NO STORY, just mob levels in a range close to your current level that you can get xp off...
anyone that says WOW is a grind hasn't even sampled some of the games on the market, RF, 9 dragons, silk road..... try a few and see what a GRIND game really is.
RPG games are suppose to be talk to NPC, get quest , get rewards, THAT IS WHAT wow is... it is the only game out that actually lives upto the real defination of a RPG game...
LOL wow a grind... that is just plain old funny.... really try RF online where you kill one kind of mob from lvl 40- 48 ... and there is only 50 levels in game.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
I agree with Miataka. WoW is only a grind if you use the term in the most loose interpretation of the term possible. A real grindfest is an asian game where there is about 30 quests total in the entire game and all you get to do is kill the same mob over and over for 10 levels straight, or the system making it more profitable to kill a ton of lowbie mobs instead of higher level ones in order to level. WoW is not a grind fest at all, and no I dont play it for a number of reasons, thank you.
WoW's 8million+ doesn't mean those are active accounts, just sold and even then it's a number released from Blizzard. Folks who are throwing numbers around in this topic from BOTH sides don't have anything to base their numbers on. Blizzard has to maintain forward progression appearances which BIG numbers tend to do, even if things are slow or worse. Once the snowball starts downhill it only picks up speed and trickle numbers would cast that appearance.
WoW is still the biggest and the baddest out there and will remain so for some time to come but as with all empires of old, time will come when it's old and tired and eventually it will totter and fall. Next year? 09? Have to wait and see. Not much can be gauged in 2-3 month increments of time. 6-12 months is the least measurement to time to factor market shares even if there is the occasional 'short term slide'.
Then you can throw out the fact that as long as a game is fun and you enjoy it. I know some folks who were playing the 2D side scroller The Realm and loved it! So to you folks who are rabidly fighting for their side of the WOW/WAR argument; just sit back and relax until both games are out and the general populace of players makes their picks. THEN you can all pull out your soapboxes and start trying to convert the heathens among you
DId you just say that WoW is the only MMo that lives up to being called an RPG? im resisting the urge to lash out wildly.. but you should look at a few more games before you make that bold statement.. FFXI for example, and from what ive heard EQ would be a good place to start
level grinding!!! level grinding!!!!!!
there is no such thing in WOW... there is a billion and 1 quests and story arcs and faction to get rep, PVP, and instances....
Grinding, NO wow player knows what real grinding is.
Go try RF on-line or any Korean MMORPG, where there is NO quests, NO STORY, just mob levels in a range close to your current level that you can get xp off...
anyone that says WOW is a grind hasn't even sampled some of the games on the market, RF, 9 dragons, silk road..... try a few and see what a GRIND game really is.
RPG games are suppose to be talk to NPC, get quest , get rewards, THAT IS WHAT wow is... it is the only game out that actually lives upto the real defination of a RPG game...
LOL wow a grind... that is just plain old funny.... really try RF online where you kill one kind of mob from lvl 40- 48 ... and there is only 50 levels in game.
It may not be as long of a grind as FFXi MMo ( which I have completed to the very end )or any other asian MMo's but it really doesn't offer alot. FFXI has quests too but people still call it grind :P The PvP is pretty awful in WoW. Alot of people play the game because it is so easy to play and some like it that way. Anyone who has never played a MMo before can simply purchase WoW and learn how to play in a very short time. It is not rocket science.
Miataka, I understand your points, and respect your viewpoint..but why are you spewing this venom from your mouth like a cheeseburger vacating a belemics stomach?
Some of your points are valid, some are just ridiculous..but you sound like someone just walked into the vatican and told the pope that jesus didn't die on the cross....calm down.
D.
The main problem I have is people fabricating info to slander something Obviously ALOT of people including myself are enjoying.
Yes I do get passionate but I state what I feel, Its not a matter of statistic when it comes to some of theses posts are blatent lies and slander of a game that they Hate, simple because its popular, or because they didn't find what they were searching for.
Like the simple fact Most players today are too young to even realize what games like WOW and EQ2, EQ1 , L2 and fantasy genre in genral are even based on, and then you have people that seen someone somehwere say something, a term they don't fulley understand and then try throwing this term arround.
Such as Grind, or RPG.
A real Grind involves NO quests , no NPC, just mobs of a certain level in a area. Like RF online. thats a grind game.
RPG , now this is where i do get very passionate about. See Im a older player. Im 32 years old. and I was one of those few Players back in high school that Played AD&D, dice and paper game. The godfather of RPG genre.
People are always talking about PVP this, PVP that... in RPGs there was no PVP, AT ALL. until late late 80's TSR released Birthright and DarkSun settings that had PVP elements. I see people cry about how a game sucks cause the PVP is poor, often heard from ppl refering to WOW. You know what I have found in all the games Ive played, that sets WOW pvp differnet then all other games, two things.
1) Its balanced, there is no Jedi, uber, I win , super PWNer class. If you gear up and are near same level you have a even fight unless your just a button masher that dont even know how to use your class, and even then, they can accidentally win.
2) No matter How much a person Wants it to be, RPGs are not FPS games, they have lag, they have set mechanics. The number one complainer of WOW pvp are former FPS gammers, that expect 1 shot kills and massive steady non-stop PVP action from the second they log in to the second they log out.
Then there are those people that feel there is no penalty, like XP loss, or being able to loot the player you kill. This is a game, it is ment for fun. Those people that feel they should be able to make anyone PVP them and then take there gear need serious therepy , that level of out right aggression, rage, hate and seeking to DO harm to someone else against there will is just plain old sick. they obviously have issues steming from out side real world trauma and shouldn't be mixing reality with a fantasty video game anyway.
In the end, a video game should be easy, FUN, above all else fun. its a game you where you play a character in a fictious realm of legendary beasts and heroic quests. It should NOT be a 8 hour a day Full time Job, It should NOT be realistic and have life altering dramatic consiquences. It should NOT have griefing tools to harass and take your fustrations out on real people playing the other characters in game.
Its a video game, Not real life. We have too much pain, suffering and things WE HAVE to do in real life, that we Shouldn't have to experiance that in what is suppose to be our form of entertainment. I dont know about the rest of you, BUT Im not here PAYING a company to MAKE you or anyone else have a life like experiance, Im here to be a elf, cow person, orc, or dwarf, going on heroic quests to save a fictional land of NPC's from monsters, dragons and demons. I'm not here in WOW or any Game to have real life issues, like war and taxes.
The puropose of forums like this is to state your ideas and opinions, these happen to be mine.
Miataka (+many sub variation of that)
~WoW (Kael'Thas, USA)
MiaTaka
~ RF On-line (Fire Server)
-Mia- takahashi
~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
Miataki Valeinca
~EQ 2 (everfrost)
MiaTaka Soyinka
~Second Life
This website is gathering data for years now - VERY reliable source
www.warcraftrealms.com/census.php
For example, last few months I started playing again, and noticed how every region now has at least 3 horde to one alliance players (yes, I'm leveling several alts in different places)
This website shows me exactly that - because of the greatest guild in EU, Nihilum, which is ony my server, Magtheridon, there is great influx of horde characters, both new and transferred from other servers. Now there is almost 3 hordes to 1 alliance player.
And check out the whole numbers of players on EU and US servers. Add the (unknown to me) numbers of Chinese and Koreans.
Someone said 8.5 millions isn't the number of active accounts. Well, that can only say a guy who DOES NOT play WoW and can't see so many people playing in every zone. If they counted the inactive ones, lol, I'm scared to even think of THAT number.
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True, but I'm sure that if the 8.5 million figure was a pack of lies made up by Blizzard, someone would have called them out on this a long time ago. That no one has kind of argues that the figure is accurate, no matter how much the people who dislike the game might try to argue.