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To Atheists: A Important Question to Ponder.

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  • saniceksanicek Member UncommonPosts: 368

    Quantum physics anyone? Superstring theory? Its becoming more and more apparent that latest science dicoveries and theories and religions of various sorts are observing from two different perspectives the same phenomenon we are yet unable to comprehend, one trying to experiment, measure, model it, the other personificating / iconizing it and hoping it manifests etc.

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  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by xpowderx


    WOW, Atheists surely can post in threads where they get to bash a religion. But then i post some material that totally debunks the atheist mindset and they try to intentionally lose the post. Thats funny.
    Urdig, you should perhaps watch it again.

     

    So since their wasnta  established Jewish kingdom untill King Saul ummmm which govt were they following?

     

    This is not evidence just something to consider.

    "mass can not be created nor destoryed"

    So where did the matter come from in the first place.

     

    Energy. Energy can't be made or destroyed. It can only be converted.



    Mass cant be created or destoryed either shows in all equations it has to go somewhere. But then again energy shows my point where did it come from.

     

     

    PLEASE! PLEEEEAAAASE!!!!! I can't take it anymore. Congratulations. Finally someone who can wear me down. Tell me, how many teachers have you driven to suicide so far?

     

    OF COURSE MASS CAN BE CONVERTED! So that means it can be "created" (converted from energy) or "destroyed" (converted to energy).

     

    I'm going way out of the bounds of my tested knowledge here, but if I'm not mistaken e=mc² has a great deal to do with that. e = energy, m = mass and c is the speed of light. So all matter has an energy equivalent.

    The law of conservation of mass/matter, also known as law of mass/matter conservation (or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law), states that the mass of a closed system will remain constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system. An equivalent statement is that matter cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass

    I was never wrong in the first place, but the way you stated the energy stuff you seem to act like you think its wrong.

    though i am suprised you didnt attack my main point which is if mass/energy can not be created or destoryed where did it come from.

     

    So you're saying we're both right? Perhaps we are.

     

     

    And you don't have a main point.Your main point was a question. "Where did the initial energy of the universe come from?"

     

    Well, what answer would you suggest?

  • ArndurArndur Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,202
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by xpowderx


    WOW, Atheists surely can post in threads where they get to bash a religion. But then i post some material that totally debunks the atheist mindset and they try to intentionally lose the post. Thats funny.
    Urdig, you should perhaps watch it again.

     

    So since their wasnta  established Jewish kingdom untill King Saul ummmm which govt were they following?

     

    This is not evidence just something to consider.

    "mass can not be created nor destoryed"

    So where did the matter come from in the first place.

     

    Energy. Energy can't be made or destroyed. It can only be converted.



    Mass cant be created or destoryed either shows in all equations it has to go somewhere. But then again energy shows my point where did it come from.

     

     

    PLEASE! PLEEEEAAAASE!!!!! I can't take it anymore. Congratulations. Finally someone who can wear me down. Tell me, how many teachers have you driven to suicide so far?

     

    OF COURSE MASS CAN BE CONVERTED! So that means it can be "created" (converted from energy) or "destroyed" (converted to energy).

     

    I'm going way out of the bounds of my tested knowledge here, but if I'm not mistaken e=mc² has a great deal to do with that. e = energy, m = mass and c is the speed of light. So all matter has an energy equivalent.

    The law of conservation of mass/matter, also known as law of mass/matter conservation (or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law), states that the mass of a closed system will remain constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system. An equivalent statement is that matter cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass

    I was never wrong in the first place, but the way you stated the energy stuff you seem to act like you think its wrong.

    though i am suprised you didnt attack my main point which is if mass/energy can not be created or destoryed where did it come from.

     

     

    So you're saying we're both right? Perhaps we are.

     

     

    And you don't have a main point.Your main point was a question. "Where did the initial energy of the universe come from?"

     

    Well, what answer would you suggest?



    I believe God created it. As far as science goes their own laws like the one i posted go aginst the most accpected theory that is the big bang.

    Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.

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    And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms

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  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by xpowderx


    WOW, Atheists surely can post in threads where they get to bash a religion. But then i post some material that totally debunks the atheist mindset and they try to intentionally lose the post. Thats funny.
    Urdig, you should perhaps watch it again.

     

    So since their wasnta  established Jewish kingdom untill King Saul ummmm which govt were they following?

     

    This is not evidence just something to consider.

    "mass can not be created nor destoryed"

    So where did the matter come from in the first place.

     

    Energy. Energy can't be made or destroyed. It can only be converted.



    Mass cant be created or destoryed either shows in all equations it has to go somewhere. But then again energy shows my point where did it come from.

     

     

    PLEASE! PLEEEEAAAASE!!!!! I can't take it anymore. Congratulations. Finally someone who can wear me down. Tell me, how many teachers have you driven to suicide so far?

     

    OF COURSE MASS CAN BE CONVERTED! So that means it can be "created" (converted from energy) or "destroyed" (converted to energy).

     

    I'm going way out of the bounds of my tested knowledge here, but if I'm not mistaken e=mc² has a great deal to do with that. e = energy, m = mass and c is the speed of light. So all matter has an energy equivalent.

    The law of conservation of mass/matter, also known as law of mass/matter conservation (or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law), states that the mass of a closed system will remain constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system. An equivalent statement is that matter cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass

    I was never wrong in the first place, but the way you stated the energy stuff you seem to act like you think its wrong.

    though i am suprised you didnt attack my main point which is if mass/energy can not be created or destoryed where did it come from.

     

     

    So you're saying we're both right? Perhaps we are.

     

     

    And you don't have a main point.Your main point was a question. "Where did the initial energy of the universe come from?"

     

    Well, what answer would you suggest?



    I believe God created it. As far as science goes their own laws like the one i posted go aginst the most accpected theory that is the big bang.

    Why God and why not gnomes?

  • saniceksanicek Member UncommonPosts: 368

    What if god is a gnome?

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  • ArndurArndur Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,202

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by xpowderx


    WOW, Atheists surely can post in threads where they get to bash a religion. But then i post some material that totally debunks the atheist mindset and they try to intentionally lose the post. Thats funny.
    Urdig, you should perhaps watch it again.

     

    So since their wasnta  established Jewish kingdom untill King Saul ummmm which govt were they following?

     

    This is not evidence just something to consider.

    "mass can not be created nor destoryed"

    So where did the matter come from in the first place.

     

    Energy. Energy can't be made or destroyed. It can only be converted.



    Mass cant be created or destoryed either shows in all equations it has to go somewhere. But then again energy shows my point where did it come from.

     

     

    PLEASE! PLEEEEAAAASE!!!!! I can't take it anymore. Congratulations. Finally someone who can wear me down. Tell me, how many teachers have you driven to suicide so far?

     

    OF COURSE MASS CAN BE CONVERTED! So that means it can be "created" (converted from energy) or "destroyed" (converted to energy).

     

    I'm going way out of the bounds of my tested knowledge here, but if I'm not mistaken e=mc² has a great deal to do with that. e = energy, m = mass and c is the speed of light. So all matter has an energy equivalent.

    The law of conservation of mass/matter, also known as law of mass/matter conservation (or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law), states that the mass of a closed system will remain constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system. An equivalent statement is that matter cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass

    I was never wrong in the first place, but the way you stated the energy stuff you seem to act like you think its wrong.

    though i am suprised you didnt attack my main point which is if mass/energy can not be created or destoryed where did it come from.

     

     

    So you're saying we're both right? Perhaps we are.

     

     

    And you don't have a main point.Your main point was a question. "Where did the initial energy of the universe come from?"

     

    Well, what answer would you suggest?



    I believe God created it. As far as science goes their own laws like the one i posted go aginst the most accpected theory that is the big bang.

     

    Why God and why not gnomes?


    Becuase what is their to support gnomes?

    I cant remember the story ill have to ask my mom later as she is the one who told me about it.

    There was a reporter who spent his life looking for fact to disprove or prove Christanity. The more and more he reserched the more and more he came to believe that God was real.

    Again i dont know the name but he has written a book on his story and as soon as i can i will post a link to this person.

    That is thing, so many people think its cut and dry saying that Christanity is false and that Christans say ateist are stupid. But the thing is its immposible to disprove either belief and it comes down to the person to pick. 

    Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.

    If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
    And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms

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  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by xpowderx


    WOW, Atheists surely can post in threads where they get to bash a religion. But then i post some material that totally debunks the atheist mindset and they try to intentionally lose the post. Thats funny.
    Urdig, you should perhaps watch it again.

     

    So since their wasnta  established Jewish kingdom untill King Saul ummmm which govt were they following?

     

    This is not evidence just something to consider.

    "mass can not be created nor destoryed"

    So where did the matter come from in the first place.

     

    Energy. Energy can't be made or destroyed. It can only be converted.



    Mass cant be created or destoryed either shows in all equations it has to go somewhere. But then again energy shows my point where did it come from.

     

     

    PLEASE! PLEEEEAAAASE!!!!! I can't take it anymore. Congratulations. Finally someone who can wear me down. Tell me, how many teachers have you driven to suicide so far?

     

    OF COURSE MASS CAN BE CONVERTED! So that means it can be "created" (converted from energy) or "destroyed" (converted to energy).

     

    I'm going way out of the bounds of my tested knowledge here, but if I'm not mistaken e=mc² has a great deal to do with that. e = energy, m = mass and c is the speed of light. So all matter has an energy equivalent.

    The law of conservation of mass/matter, also known as law of mass/matter conservation (or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law), states that the mass of a closed system will remain constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system. An equivalent statement is that matter cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass

    I was never wrong in the first place, but the way you stated the energy stuff you seem to act like you think its wrong.

    though i am suprised you didnt attack my main point which is if mass/energy can not be created or destoryed where did it come from.

     

     

    So you're saying we're both right? Perhaps we are.

     

     

    And you don't have a main point.Your main point was a question. "Where did the initial energy of the universe come from?"

     

    Well, what answer would you suggest?



    I believe God created it. As far as science goes their own laws like the one i posted go aginst the most accpected theory that is the big bang.

     

    Why God and why not gnomes?


    Becuase what is their to support gnomes?

     

    I cant remember the story ill have to ask my mom later as she is the one who told me about it.

    There was a reporter who spent his life looking for fact to disprove or prove Christanity. The more and more he reserched the more and more he came to believe that God was real.

    Again i dont know the name but he has written a book on his story and as soon as i can i will post a link to this person.

    That is thing, so many people think its cut and dry saying that Christanity is false and that Christans say ateist are stupid. But the thing is its immposible to disprove either belief and it comes down to the person to pick. 

    Indeed. In the end everyone has to make up their own mind. And I'm ok with that.

     

     

    What is there to support God?

  • ArndurArndur Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,202

     

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by xpowderx


    WOW, Atheists surely can post in threads where they get to bash a religion. But then i post some material that totally debunks the atheist mindset and they try to intentionally lose the post. Thats funny.
    Urdig, you should perhaps watch it again.

     

    So since their wasnta  established Jewish kingdom untill King Saul ummmm which govt were they following?

     

    This is not evidence just something to consider.

    "mass can not be created nor destoryed"

    So where did the matter come from in the first place.

     

    Energy. Energy can't be made or destroyed. It can only be converted.



    Mass cant be created or destoryed either shows in all equations it has to go somewhere. But then again energy shows my point where did it come from.

     

     

    PLEASE! PLEEEEAAAASE!!!!! I can't take it anymore. Congratulations. Finally someone who can wear me down. Tell me, how many teachers have you driven to suicide so far?

     

    OF COURSE MASS CAN BE CONVERTED! So that means it can be "created" (converted from energy) or "destroyed" (converted to energy).

     

    I'm going way out of the bounds of my tested knowledge here, but if I'm not mistaken e=mc² has a great deal to do with that. e = energy, m = mass and c is the speed of light. So all matter has an energy equivalent.

    The law of conservation of mass/matter, also known as law of mass/matter conservation (or the Lomonosov-Lavoisier law), states that the mass of a closed system will remain constant, regardless of the processes acting inside the system. An equivalent statement is that matter cannot be created/destroyed, although it may be rearranged. This implies that for any chemical process in a closed system, the mass of the reactants must equal the mass of the products.

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass

    I was never wrong in the first place, but the way you stated the energy stuff you seem to act like you think its wrong.

    though i am suprised you didnt attack my main point which is if mass/energy can not be created or destoryed where did it come from.

     

     

    So you're saying we're both right? Perhaps we are.

     

     

    And you don't have a main point.Your main point was a question. "Where did the initial energy of the universe come from?"

     

    Well, what answer would you suggest?



    I believe God created it. As far as science goes their own laws like the one i posted go aginst the most accpected theory that is the big bang.

     

    Why God and why not gnomes?


    Becuase what is their to support gnomes?

     

    I cant remember the story ill have to ask my mom later as she is the one who told me about it.

    There was a reporter who spent his life looking for fact to disprove or prove Christanity. The more and more he reserched the more and more he came to believe that God was real.

    Again i dont know the name but he has written a book on his story and as soon as i can i will post a link to this person.

    That is thing, so many people think its cut and dry saying that Christanity is false and that Christans say ateist are stupid. But the thing is its immposible to disprove either belief and it comes down to the person to pick. 

     

    Indeed. In the end everyone has to make up their own mind. And I'm ok with that.

     

     

    What is there to support God?



    I think it comes down to how people interpet things. Take Noahs Ark for instance

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ararat_anomaly_1949.jpeg

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/03/13/satellite.noahs.ark/index.html

    You may look at these pictures and say its just a rock formation but i see it as the ark. Also this is possibley the most tretchrous climbing aera is the world. As far as we know not a single person has climbed to this point as their is almost never a good day up there. Also the Turkish govt has closed off the mountian. i see it as God keeping this faith based. While you may see all this as concidence.

    Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.

    If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
    And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms

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  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by xpowderx


    WOW, Atheists surely can post in threads where they get to bash a religion. But then i post some material that totally debunks the atheist mindset and they try to intentionally lose the post. Thats funny.
    Urdig, you should perhaps watch it again.

     

    So since their wasnta  established Jewish kingdom untill King Saul ummmm which govt were they following?

     

    This is not evidence just something to consider.

    "mass can not be created nor destoryed"

    So where did the matter come from in the first place.

     

    Energy. Energy can't be made or destroyed. It can only be converted.



    Mass cant be created or destoryed either shows in all equations it has to go somewhere. But then again energy shows my point where did it come from.

     

     

    PLEASE! PLEEEEAAAASE!!!!! I can't take it anymore. Congratulations. Finally someone who can wear me down. Tell me, how many teachers have you driven to suicide so far?

     

    though i am suprised you didnt attack my main point which is if mass/energy can not be created or destoryed where did it come from.

     

     

     

     

     

    And you don't have a main point.Your main point was a question. "Where did the initial energy of the universe come from?"

     

     



    I believe God created it.

     

    Why God and why not gnomes?


    Becuase what is their to support gnomes?

    That is thing, so many people think its cut and dry saying that Christanity is false and that Christans say ateist are stupid. But the thing is its immposible to disprove either belief and it comes down to the person to pick. 

     

    Indeed. In the end everyone has to make up their own mind. And I'm ok with that.

     

     

    What is there to support God?



    I think it comes down to how people interpet things. Take Noahs Ark for instance

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ararat_anomaly_1949.jpeg

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/03/13/satellite.noahs.ark/index.html

    You may look at these pictures and say its just a rock formation but i see it as the ark. Also this is possibley the most tretchrous climbing aera is the world. As far as we know not a single person has climbed to this point as their is almost never a good day up there. Also the Turkish govt has closed off the mountian. i see it as God keeping this faith based. While you may see all this as concidence.

    Oh dear. A biblical literalist. So the earth is 4000 years old? Cool.

     

    Anyways. That structure on that mountain is obviously one of the space observatories of the gnomes.

  • ArndurArndur Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,202
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by xpowderx


    WOW, Atheists surely can post in threads where they get to bash a religion. But then i post some material that totally debunks the atheist mindset and they try to intentionally lose the post. Thats funny.
    Urdig, you should perhaps watch it again.

     

    So since their wasnta  established Jewish kingdom untill King Saul ummmm which govt were they following?

     

    This is not evidence just something to consider.

    "mass can not be created nor destoryed"

    So where did the matter come from in the first place.

     

    Energy. Energy can't be made or destroyed. It can only be converted.



    Mass cant be created or destoryed either shows in all equations it has to go somewhere. But then again energy shows my point where did it come from.

     

     

    PLEASE! PLEEEEAAAASE!!!!! I can't take it anymore. Congratulations. Finally someone who can wear me down. Tell me, how many teachers have you driven to suicide so far?

     

    though i am suprised you didnt attack my main point which is if mass/energy can not be created or destoryed where did it come from.

     

     

     

     

     

    And you don't have a main point.Your main point was a question. "Where did the initial energy of the universe come from?"

     

     



    I believe God created it.

     

    Why God and why not gnomes?


    Becuase what is their to support gnomes?

    That is thing, so many people think its cut and dry saying that Christanity is false and that Christans say ateist are stupid. But the thing is its immposible to disprove either belief and it comes down to the person to pick. 

     

    Indeed. In the end everyone has to make up their own mind. And I'm ok with that.

     

     

    What is there to support God?



    I think it comes down to how people interpet things. Take Noahs Ark for instance

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ararat_anomaly_1949.jpeg

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/03/13/satellite.noahs.ark/index.html

    You may look at these pictures and say its just a rock formation but i see it as the ark. Also this is possibley the most tretchrous climbing aera is the world. As far as we know not a single person has climbed to this point as their is almost never a good day up there. Also the Turkish govt has closed off the mountian. i see it as God keeping this faith based. While you may see all this as concidence.

     

    Oh dear. A biblical literalist. So the earth is 4000 years old? Cool.

     

    Anyways. That structure on that mountain is obviously one of the space observatories of the gnomes.



    No its 5768 years old.

    Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time.

    If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day.
    And then Nebraska would get nerfed.-pinkwood lotro fourms

    AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD

  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     
    Originally posted by Goldknyght

    Originally posted by xpowderx


    WOW, Atheists surely can post in threads where they get to bash a religion. But then i post some material that totally debunks the atheist mindset and they try to intentionally lose the post. Thats funny.
    Urdig, you should perhaps watch it again.

     

    So since their wasnta  established Jewish kingdom untill King Saul ummmm which govt were they following?

     

    This is not evidence just something to consider.

    "mass can not be created nor destoryed"

    So where did the matter come from in the first place.

     

    Energy. Energy can't be made or destroyed. It can only be converted.



    Mass cant be created or destoryed either shows in all equations it has to go somewhere. But then again energy shows my point where did it come from.

     

     

    PLEASE! PLEEEEAAAASE!!!!! I can't take it anymore. Congratulations. Finally someone who can wear me down. Tell me, how many teachers have you driven to suicide so far?

     

    though i am suprised you didnt attack my main point which is if mass/energy can not be created or destoryed where did it come from.

     

     

     

     

     

    And you don't have a main point.Your main point was a question. "Where did the initial energy of the universe come from?"

     

     



    I believe God created it.

     

    Why God and why not gnomes?


    Becuase what is their to support gnomes?

    That is thing, so many people think its cut and dry saying that Christanity is false and that Christans say ateist are stupid. But the thing is its immposible to disprove either belief and it comes down to the person to pick. 

     

    Indeed. In the end everyone has to make up their own mind. And I'm ok with that.

     

     

    What is there to support God?



    I think it comes down to how people interpet things. Take Noahs Ark for instance

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ararat_anomaly_1949.jpeg

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/03/13/satellite.noahs.ark/index.html

    You may look at these pictures and say its just a rock formation but i see it as the ark. Also this is possibley the most tretchrous climbing aera is the world. As far as we know not a single person has climbed to this point as their is almost never a good day up there. Also the Turkish govt has closed off the mountian. i see it as God keeping this faith based. While you may see all this as concidence.

     

    Oh dear. A biblical literalist. So the earth is 4000 years old? Cool.

     

    Anyways. That structure on that mountain is obviously one of the space observatories of the gnomes.



    No its 5768 years old.

    No, it's 15,000 googol years old. So say the gnomes.

  • GoSonicsGoSonics Member Posts: 167

    If the earth is so young why can we date farther back than that? Or is all science wrong?

  • ZikielZikiel Member Posts: 1,138
    Originally posted by GoSonics


    If the earth is so young why can we date farther back than that? Or is all science wrong?



    Yes. All your so called "hard facts" and "evidence" are all nothing but crazy talk. *sticks fingers in ears* Lalalalala!

     

    Anyway.. as religions go, I'll tolerate most of the lessons you see in the overviews, but when you get people who take the entire thing as 'hard fact and if you say otherwise, you so crazy!', it passes amusing and goes straight to sad.

  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    I don't appreciate you guys' demeanor towards the gnomes. I deserve some respect for my beliefs.

  • ArndurArndur Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,202

     

    Originally posted by Zikiel

    Originally posted by GoSonics


    If the earth is so young why can we date farther back than that? Or is all science wrong?



    Yes. All your so called "hard facts" and "evidence" are all nothing but crazy talk. *sticks fingers in ears* Lalalalala!

     

    Anyway.. as religions go, I'll tolerate most of the lessons you see in the overviews, but when you get people who take the entire thing as 'hard fact and if you say otherwise, you so crazy!', it passes amusing and goes straight to sad.



    Can you list hard facts for the date of the Earth.

     

    I wont accpect any science dating as we have not been around long enough to know if this is true. Get to back me in a million years then ill reconsider.

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  • xpowderxxpowderx Member UncommonPosts: 2,078

     

    Originally posted by Gameloading


    So, am I the only one that noticed the sudden 8 month time difference in this post?
    anyway powder, if you want me to reply to a specific post, it's always a good idea to send me a PM.
    hehe, Gameloading!

    Just came back from Iraq.

     

    I only brought this post back due to certain forum members complaining there are no good debatable posts currently. So I decided to stir the sh1+ per'se

     

    Just grateful a I.D fanatic like me has not really opened up yet on those who think a bit differently.

  • AdrealAdreal Member Posts: 2,087

    I actually liked this one better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSw8Gh-PPA0&NR=1

    Just about sums up my thoughts and feelings on the matter... it all depends on the context. Talk about hypocrisy; ranting on Christians for their poor morals and illogic while having a preconceived individual sense of morality not based on logic at the same time.

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  • Jimmy_ScytheJimmy_Scythe Member CommonPosts: 3,586

    Atheism 101 pt. 1

    Atheism 101 pt. 2

    Atheism 101 pt. 3

    Atheism 101 pt. 4

    Atheism 101 pt. 5

    Atheism 101 pt. 6

    Yeah, I know that's a little excessive but some people here seem to lack an understanding of what atheism actually is.

    And again: you can't prove a negative and the burden of proof is directly on those that claim that there is a God.

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Arndur


     


    Becuase what is their to support gnomes?
     
    I cant remember the story ill have to ask my mom later as she is the one who told me about it.
    There was a reporter who spent his life looking for fact to disprove or prove Christanity. The more and more he reserched the more and more he came to believe that God was real.
    Again i dont know the name but he has written a book on his story and as soon as i can i will post a link to this person.
    That is thing, so many people think its cut and dry saying that Christanity is false and that Christans say ateist are stupid. But the thing is its immposible to disprove either belief and it comes down to the person to pick. 

     

    Indeed. In the end everyone has to make up their own mind. And I'm ok with that.

     

     

    What is there to support God?

    Books written by normal people.

    One of the biggest mistakes humans have ever made -- and still make -- is to believe blindly what others say.  However religion is so deep rooted that even the idea that it could be disproved must be completely ignored or attacked. 

    MadAce if it were only so easy for people to make up their own mind about God.  "You can believe in god as long as you choose one of these 5 pre chosen paths. But be careful, only ONE of them is right!  Losers meet in the basement, winners climb the stairs!" 

     



  • nurglesnurgles Member Posts: 840

    Originally posted by Adreal


    I actually liked this one better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSw8Gh-PPA0&NR=1
    Just about sums up my thoughts and feelings on the matter... it all depends on the context. Talk about hypocrisy; ranting on Christians for their poor morals and illogic while having a preconceived individual sense of morality not based on logic at the same time.
    a clear example of a nice logic trap.

    you get him to state and what he believes is an absolute truth "killing babies is wrong" and then tear him apart. well done, he deserved it.

    a proper atheistic view of morality has to take a relativistic aproach, morals are generated and maintained by a community so they must be taken in the context of that community, there is no absolute right or wrong, no absolute good or evil. the problem is our own individual upbringing, we can never get rid of it, we can try to consider anothers point of view given what we know about their culture, but we can never actually have had their upbringing so will always have a flawed understanding.

    this idea of flawed understanding is the key, an atheist must admit they are unable to know the truth. an agnostic throws up his hands at this point and say's "I admit that i am unable to know the truth, so there may or may not be a god". An Atheist however says "I admit that i am unable to know the truth, but people tell stories, that is a certainty as there is heaps of evidence, and what you have faith in sounds like a really good story. therefore it seems likely that it is just a story. if it is more than just a story please show me some evidence."

    this is not to say that an atheist must accept every other morality if it has a context in another community. Morallity can change, has changed and needs to keep changing. As time passes things must change and we have the oportunity to build a better world. We must have the courage to use on our own creativity to solve these problems.

     

     

     

  • nurglesnurgles Member Posts: 840

    Originally posted by Arndur


     Can you list hard facts for the date of the Earth.
     
    I wont accpect any science dating as we have not been around long enough to know if this is true. Get to back me in a million years then ill reconsider.

    lmao, this is the funniest thing ever.

    do you use a clock? when exacly does the clock not function? is it in a year ahead or behind? or 10 years? or a hundred? or a thousand, or ten thousand? or a hundred thousand?

    when is it practical to keep time?

    so light takes time to move, i can show you how to measure its travel time. we can sent objects to other solar objects, these are light minuits away. we can measure the distance between us and other stars using simple parralax, high school trigonometry, how many light years away does our measure of observable through time fail? 100 light years? 1000? or outside our galaxy that is about 100 000 light years across. where does it fail?

    you say that the measuring of time is meaningless beyond a certain scale, what's the point, what do you get out of that? if you take the view that the observations we make today can be used to predict things about our future and our past  you can acheive real things. like predict where you will find oil, so you can drive a car. Or overclock your computer to run a faster game, or launch cruise missile to target an enemy, or launch a satalite so you can have gps. 

    timekeeping is one of the core issues within science, everything is built in reference to the progression of time. all the models from how your neurons fire, your computer works and of course the age the planet all work on the same system of interconected clocks. from the fastest events to the slowest, they all reference each other. please tell me where they break down. what study can i do you see the inadeqacy of these models.

    if something has a halfife of 30 mins i can see that, as i can see if it has a halflife of 4000 years, or at least i thought i could, but according to you i can't?

    where are we going wrong? or should i ask when are we going wrong?

  • MadAceMadAce Member Posts: 2,461

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe




    What does science has to do with religion?

  • Jimmy_ScytheJimmy_Scythe Member CommonPosts: 3,586

     

    Originally posted by MadAce


     
    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe




     

    What does science has to do with religion?



    What does religion have to do with science?

     

    The problem is that religious literalists have a mode of thinking that throws out the baby with the bathwater. To their mind, if theirs one thing wrong with the bible then the whole thing has to go and ditto for science. Problem is, science isn't about absolutes. Scientific method works on a system wereby our understanding of the universe changes as we acquire more knowledge. Religious zealots don't seem to be able to wrap their brains around this idea.

    Oh yeah, and there's the small fact that I'm more likely to overcome an infection with antibacterial chemicals than praying. Come to think of it, why doesn't God heal amputees? He supposedly heals all kinds of cancer and things like blindness, but he hasn't made one amputee grow back a limb. Odd....

  • AdrealAdreal Member Posts: 2,087
    Originally posted by nurgles


     
    Originally posted by Adreal


    I actually liked this one better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSw8Gh-PPA0&NR=1
    Just about sums up my thoughts and feelings on the matter... it all depends on the context. Talk about hypocrisy; ranting on Christians for their poor morals and illogic while having a preconceived individual sense of morality not based on logic at the same time.
    a clear example of a nice logic trap.

     

    you get him to state and what he believes is an absolute truth "killing babies is wrong" and then tear him apart. well done, he deserved it.

    a proper atheistic view of morality has to take a relativistic aproach, morals are generated and maintained by a community so they must be taken in the context of that community, there is no absolute right or wrong, no absolute good or evil. the problem is our own individual upbringing, we can never get rid of it, we can try to consider anothers point of view given what we know about their culture, but we can never actually have had their upbringing so will always have a flawed understanding.

    this idea of flawed understanding is the key, an atheist must admit they are unable to know the truth. an agnostic throws up his hands at this point and say's "I admit that i am unable to know the truth, so there may or may not be a god". An Atheist however says "I admit that i am unable to know the truth, but people tell stories, that is a certainty as there is heaps of evidence, and what you have faith in sounds like a really good story. therefore it seems likely that it is just a story. if it is more than just a story please show me some evidence."

    this is not to say that an atheist must accept every other morality if it has a context in another community. Morallity can change, has changed and needs to keep changing. As time passes things must change and we have the oportunity to build a better world. We must have the courage to use on our own creativity to solve these problems.

     

     

     

    Wow. Glad someone finally gets it. Anyway, after they say the above, they more than likely fall back into their own preconceived notions that science (the pursuit of truth) should be completely naturalistic and be shackled and thus regard religion as a big man-made conspiracy rather than take some time out of their short lives to reconsider and take that evidence seriously.

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  • nurglesnurgles Member Posts: 840

     

    this is the argument from the first video. abstract logical absolutes prove the existance of god as there is no naturalistic way they can be conceptualised.

    that is stunningly flawed. i have no idea why they used 'the laws of logic' as there are much simpler abstract truths out ther like, the cuircumference of any circle divded by its diameter is alway pi. or an even simpler one, 1 + 1 = 2.

    the funny thing is that a logical abstracts only exist as a thought exercise. there is no perfect circle except as an abstract.  even 1 + 1 = 2 can never be. hold up two fingers, you can point to  each and say  "one plus one equals two" but if you are honest wioth yourself you will know that those two fingers are different from each other. you have not added one identical finger to another to have two. what you have is a new object which is the two non identical fingers. however you approximate to allow yourself the utility of the functional relationship of 1 + 1 = 2.

    An abstract is that, a structure of thought, the abstract itself only exists due to the person conceptualising it.

    Abstracts exist because we are social creatures, we comunicate abstracts through language, "can you please scratch my back because it is itchy?" for you the idea that my back is itchy is only an abstract, you do not know, but we have a well established model of what an itch is.

    the youtube argument is that the abstracts exist without people, so they must be a god to conceptualise them. there is no proof that the abstacts exist without people and it cannot be tested.

    a hollow argument.

     

     

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