The worst thing about it is that people keep bringing it up and discussing it and the same things over and over That and everyone and their dog now compares other mmo's to it.
Rep grinds are pretty awful. Developer obliviousness is another thing. The primary investment of development resources into content that is experienced by less than 1% of the actual playerbase is also pretty disheartening.
I am a 2 year WoW vet and recently canceled 2 accts due to the game becoming absolutly terrible. 1st the games had only 1 expansion pack,Other games have had many including EQ2. 2nd The Burning Crusade stinks in the fact it introduced tons of more Rep Grinding which is absolutly Boring to do.3rd seems like you have to get rep to be able to do any heroic dungeon or be keyed for certain dungeons what a pain in the ass to have to do all the time just to run dungeons with your friends. Lastly You pay them so much money per month and get so little in return for what you pay for EQ2 has had a lower population and has gained so much my applause to SOE and what their dev team has accomplished with this amazing game ,I have just started EQ2 and it Blows wow away right now in terms of content and development.
I am a 2 year WoW vet and recently canceled 2 accts due to the game becoming absolutly terrible. 1st the games had only 1 expansion pack,Other games have had many including EQ2. 2nd The Burning Crusade stinks in the fact it introduced tons of more Rep Grinding which is absolutly Boring to do.3rd seems like you have to get rep to be able to do any heroic dungeon or be keyed for certain dungeons what a pain in the ass to have to do all the time just to run dungeons with your friends. Lastly You pay them so much money per month and get so little in return for what you pay for EQ2 has had a lower population and has gained so much my applause to SOE and what their dev team has accomplished with this amazing game ,I have just started EQ2 and it Blows wow away right now in terms of content and development.
That's generally why I tend to call WoW the "newbie island of mmo's" - its a great way for players new to the genre to get into it and learn the basic principles.. then they are ready to move on to more serious mmo's and take a more productive part of the mmo communities
I am a 2 year WoW vet and recently canceled 2 accts due to the game becoming absolutly terrible. 1st the games had only 1 expansion pack,Other games have had many including EQ2. 2nd The Burning Crusade stinks in the fact it introduced tons of more Rep Grinding which is absolutly Boring to do.3rd seems like you have to get rep to be able to do any heroic dungeon or be keyed for certain dungeons what a pain in the ass to have to do all the time just to run dungeons with your friends. Lastly You pay them so much money per month and get so little in return for what you pay for EQ2 has had a lower population and has gained so much my applause to SOE and what their dev team has accomplished with this amazing game ,I have just started EQ2 and it Blows wow away right now in terms of content and development.
Nice bit of EQ2 viral marketing there.. I find it funny it took you 2 years to decide the game is so bad.. get a grip, you got bored of WoW just as you'll get bored of EQ2 in a year or 2.... no game lasts for ever.
Rep grinds are pretty awful. Developer obliviousness is another thing. The primary investment of development resources into content that is experienced by less than 1% of the actual playerbase is also pretty disheartening.
So true.
And to the EQ2 promoter
While other games are doing expansions that you pay for remember this wow/coh/cov all do free expansions with their patches. TBC interduced tier 5 epics and the first patch (not even 2 months later) they where on tier 7 iirc.
Originally posted by laleb Originally posted by MortisRex Rep grinds are pretty awful. Developer obliviousness is another thing. The primary investment of development resources into content that is experienced by less than 1% of the actual playerbase is also pretty disheartening.
So true. And to the EQ2 promoter While other games are doing expansions that you pay for remember this wow/coh/cov all do free expansions with their patches. TBC interduced tier 5 epics and the first patch (not even 2 months later) they where on tier 7 iirc.
Shows how little thought WoW devs have been actually using lately... tier 5 to tier 7 in two months, did they just redo the bloodfang set in another color? oh... wait, my bad.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
Nice bit of EQ2 viral marketing there.. I find it funny it took you 2 years to decide the game is so bad.. get a grip, you got bored of WoW just as you'll get bored of EQ2 in a year or 2.... no game lasts for ever.
So, is he a shill for EQ2 developers or is he a bored WoW player? You realize anytime you start spouting insane "OMG, U R PAID TO SAY BAD THINGZ BY NUDDER DEVELOPER" You immediately sacrifice any kind of credibility you might have once enjoyed. It's a rare thread when one person or another isn't adding this particualarly insane sounding conspiracy theory insult into their posts and I'm not exactly sure what they think they're accomplishing (besides destroying any chances they'll be taken seriously). Are you the only person allowed to have an opinion not bought and paid for by a competing gaming product? EQ2 gets boring after a month, I wouldn't reccomend it to anyone. There are ZERO games out right now that I want to play. I am in no betas atm (except World in Coflict). Am I some shill for vivendi because I'm playing in that beta or am I a shill for some other company because I think WoW has serious design flaws and is boring?
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People constantly bash WoW for no reason. What's so bad about it? Someone once told me it suffers from repetitiveness. Anything else?
Name warcraft.. sounds like Lovecraft.. complete ripoff.
Graphics and art copied from Warhammer world.
Interface copied from AC2
Raiding system copied from EQ1
PVP system copied from AC2/EQ1
Class system is terrible, customization is a joke.
Community is a mix of Btnet kids that behave like Kids and Btnet kids that behave like ... kids.
Crafting is simple, you just set fifty things to make and go out to smoke.
No XP death penalty
Too much solo content (Thats not really a problem unless the solo XP gain is higher then party xp gain)
Too simple graphics, no difference if you have 386 or 8800gtx still same shit.
People that play it that actually think wow was original game that changed the genre.
I'm going to single out this post because it is a concise list. I preface this by saying that it's lonely at the top. WoW has so many bashers and haters because it did something no other mmorpg has done to this scale, become overwhelmingly #1 in a genre that is full of nothing but ripoffs. Many people have a problem with WoW not because they played it. Their problem is they bash anything and everything at the top of every industry. They are the same type of people who bash Microsoft only because they rule the roost. If you are one of these people, get the hell out of this thread.
Now, for those still remaining, I was an original UO player and have played virtually every pay to play mmorpg that has been released to the market since. I agree with some statements from the post I am quoting. The interface is similar to AC2 (yet not the same), all raiding is like EQ1 (only because that was the first "successful" raiding environment), the pvp system was an afterthought (it's not a pvp game), the community leaves something to be desired (but it is really only what you expose yourself to, find a good guild and screw everyone else, no different than any other mmorpg) and crafting is very simple.
I disagree with the fact that WoW art was copied from Warhammer. There are some similarities but not enough to say it was "copied". Simple fact is any past or future fantasy based mmorpg art could be said to have been "copied" from any number of artists' renditions and writers' descriptions since the fantasy and sci-fi genre's first works.
The class system is only a joke if you don't know how to play your class. There will never EVER be a game that has perfect class balance. Keep dreaming for it.
The graphics are quite beautiful. I'm a graphic designer and if you don't care for an artisitc style, that is fine. But saying the graphics suck is a matter of personal opinion, not a fact. It very much matters what graphics card you have. I went from a GeForce 5600FX pci card (which I couldn't even turn the graphics settings up halfway) to a GeForce gx2 7950 with 1GB vram and the difference was staggering. A once bland world was suddenly bursting with detail and color.
Warcraft != Lovecraft. This one is more of a stretch than any other item in this list.
Before you suggest that I am a WoW fanboi, I actually spend more time playing other games than I do WoW. I have an open mind and this allows me to enjoy the many games on the market rather than bashing some of them and becoming strictly loyal to a single game. Due to this, my gaming experience is exponentially more fun and rewarding than if I was to sit around complaining and declaring "OMG TEH GAIM IS TEH SUXXOR".
I'm going to single out this post because it is a concise list. I preface this by saying that it's lonely at the top. WoW has so many bashers and haters because it did something no other mmorpg has done to this scale, become overwhelmingly #1 in a genre that is full of nothing but ripoffs. Many people have a problem with WoW not because they played it. Their problem is they bash anything and everything at the top of every industry. They are the same type of people who bash Microsoft only because they rule the roost. If you are one of these people, get the hell out of this thread. Warcraft != Lovecraft. This one is more of a stretch than any other item in this list.
God i hate those anti-microsoft people as well. I am currently using vistax64bit OS and I would never return back to XP. A'ia Dagon A'ia Vista
You seem to raise a lot of points there and most of them are either wrong or just plain silly.
Originally posted by Thillian:
"Name warcraft.. sounds like Lovecraft.. complete ripoff."
Er... what? "Name Thillian... sounds like Sicilian... complete ripoff." Try some originality next time, okay?
"Graphics and art copied from Warhammer world."
I must have missed the big legal case when the Warhammer designers sued the WoW designers for plagiarism... oh, wait. That never happened.
"PVP system copied from AC2/EQ1"
This being the PvP system no one likes much? Yep, I can see why that would be such a big deal to people who aren't going to use it anyway.
"Class system is terrible, customization is a joke."
No, people who don't know how to use the class system are terrible and those who can't customise their character are a joke.
"Community is a mix of Btnet kids that behave like Kids and Btnet kids that behave like ... kids."
I generally find the community to be a pretty decent bunch. Then again, I usually find that people who think the rest of the community are idiots only have themselves to blame. You do know there's an ignore command, right?
"Crafting is simple, you just set fifty things to make and go out to smoke."
Goddamn, that's a terrible thing isn't it? I mean, making something simple so it's not a nightmare to get done? Would you prefer it if to craft say, a sword, took 3 hours of tapping keys on your keyboard to move your character's hands back and forth while they were crafting it? Yes, I can see that being a really popular idea...
"No XP death penalty"
And this is a bad idea because...?
If it makes you feel any better, you could always throw away all your gold and items every time you die. It would then take you so long to reach the next level and get decent gear again that the overall XP lost would be crippling.
"Too much solo content (Thats not really a problem unless the solo XP gain is higher then party xp gain)"
Again, you see this as a bad thing? If you like solo content, fine you've got it. If you don't, do group quests. Do instances. Do raids. Do battlegrounds.
"Too simple graphics, no difference if you have 386 or 8800gtx still same shit."
You think we should take the WoW designers outside and shoot 'em for daring to make a game that doesn't require a monster of a computer to run it smoothly?
"People that play it that actually think wow was original game that changed the genre."
Considering it's the most successful MMO of them all by a long, long way, I'd say it's changed the genre alright. For a start, it's got people playing MMOs that would never have touched them otherwise. If that's a bad thing about it, well, I don't know what you'd consider a good thing.
The only bad thing about WoW is some of the asses playing it.
Step forward and take a bow, Ravkeen. You hate the game so much yet you still keep posting about it. That says quite a lot about you as a person.
Yeah I 'm going to keep on talking about it cause I hate it that much but If I want to keep talking about it will but if you want to make something of it I live in Yokosuka Japan on Yokosuka Naval Base if you want to make something of it about what I post please step to the plate I beg of u.
Hi I'm Ravkeen!
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The only bad thing about WoW is some of the asses playing it.
Step forward and take a bow, Ravkeen. You hate the game so much yet you still keep posting about it. That says quite a lot about you as a person.
Yeah I 'm going to keep on talking about it cause I hate it that much but If I want to keep talking about it will but if you want to make something of it I live in Yokosuka Japan on Yokosuka Naval Base if you want to make something of it about what I post please step to the plate I beg of u.
I actually feel quite sorry for you. You must lead a very sad life indeed if you have nothing better to do with it than keep talking about a game you don't even like.
The only bad thing about WoW is some of the asses playing it.
Step forward and take a bow, Ravkeen. You hate the game so much yet you still keep posting about it. That says quite a lot about you as a person.
Yeah I 'm going to keep on talking about it cause I hate it that much but If I want to keep talking about it will but if you want to make something of it I live in Yokosuka Japan on Yokosuka Naval Base if you want to make something of it about what I post please step to the plate I beg of u.
I actually feel quite sorry for you. You must lead a very sad life indeed if you have nothing better to do with it than keep talking about a game you don't even like.
Lead or Live learn how to talk or proof read you message before you send anything ok people. Get a life and stop worring about mine.
Hi I'm Ravkeen!
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"Key word originality there is no originality in WOW they took stuff other games changed a little bit of it so they would not get sued and called it a game"
I thought you were talking about "creativity"...but O.K. then, well, I guess you could say the same thing about Star Wars....not very original since Lucas used "stuff" from other genres and fables and myths...
"Key word originality there is no originality in WOW they took stuff other games changed a little bit of it so they would not get sued and called it a game"
I thought you were talking about "creativity"...but O.K. then, well, I guess you could say the same thing about Star Wars....not very original since Lucas used "stuff" from other genres and fables and myths... oh...nevermind...
You can compare everything to something that predates it. Like the south park episode "simpsons did it"
WoW is very much, in my opinion, a derivative game, derivative of every MMO that came before it. This is indeed one of the strengths of WoW...they looked at what others had done, saw the pratfalls, and sought to avoid them. In the process they made a very successful game that indeed is less than challenging to long time MMO players...but the point is, they've expanded the MMO audience immensely in the process.
The notion that everyone is trying to imitate WoW tells us more about those trying to imitate it in hope of capturing some of its success than it tells us about Blizz.
Having said that, the worst thing about the game is that it is by its very nature something that you burn out on because it has a traditional MMO endgame mentality to it. Unless you can make your own content, you will get bored with it eventually, but Blizz had no "virtual reality" notions of WoW when they conceived the project. They're happy with what they've got.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Actually it took me 2 years for the fact there was nothing much else to play all my friends went from SWG to wow so I went with them. WoW was great for 2 years and EQ2 when it 1st launched absolutly sucked but now EQ2 is definatly a worthy game to play WoW did 1 thing it made SOE get back to making better games yes they screwed up with SWG but they seem to have learned alot and fixed EQ2 its simply amazing and if you have not played it do not judge the game ty. 1 last thing I did not mean to sound like I hate Wow and on the bash the game side or that I am promoting EQ2. I am just not satisfied with wow in its current state. Now that I AM PLAYING eq2 I am enjoying the new experience my apologies if I sounded too harsh for the wow current players.I had tons of fun raiding dungeons with my friends had it not been for them I would have not played wow long. For the guy posting that wow added tier 6&7 2 months after adding tier 4&5 pretty funny they never left you much time to get your set and enjoy it before adding another grindfest to you did they?
People constantly bash WoW for no reason. What's so bad about it? Someone once told me it suffers from repetitiveness. Anything else?
Name warcraft.. sounds like Lovecraft.. complete ripoff.Do you even know who Lovecraft was and what he wrote about? Do you even know how dumb you look saying a game that has been arround over10 years just now decieded to copy the name of a author from a centry ago? Or better yet lets look and see that he fact of what Lovecraft wrote about is what happened to the warcraft world and actually has releviance. You know his writtings were about demon forces destorying multiple worlds and there impending invasion of earth? sound familar ...
Graphics and art copied from Warhammer world. Yes they are so good that they copied a yet unreleased game to there 3 year old MMO.... Oh wait you meen the old Warhammer board game that copied all the art from AD&D and very Idea of game itself? really? Interface copied from AC2 So AC2 was the only game to ever have a tool bar, and radar, and map? LOL your just reaching here, might as well say they all copied Diablo, oh wait can't use Diablo, cause thats a blizz game.. and blizz can't copy itself can they. *shakes head saddly* Raiding system copied from EQ1 actually the concept of Many players working together to take down a big boss at the end of a dungeon is in fact a copy of the 1974 D&D adventure pack ruins or toikair which was the first RPG game to require more then one player to work as a team to kill a boss and share loot from the over all process. EQ1? .. gtfo PVP system copied from AC2/EQ1 lets see, PVP mini-game in WOW is a standard capture the flag , capture location or Kill enemy leader concept. I might be mistaken I believe the orginal use for this format was in fact first implimented by the roman's arround 1400 BC. It is possible that Everquest is not the orginal Idea maker btw. History does extend further back then 1997 . I know it shard to imagine anying before that ;p Class system is terrible, customization is a joke. the class system of a warrior, priest, etc that level up and aquire new skills from training with a talent system to specilize and diversity was first used in a in Advanced Dungeons and dragons in 1986 to expand on the basic class system used in D&D orginal game to make each character a little more unquie. Community is a mix of Btnet kids that behave like Kids and Btnet kids that behave like ... kids. What is Btnet? I never heard of a btnet thing. or why kids would be there, but in regards to World of Warcraft, in the last 6 months I been playing I have met and grouped with and in guild with mostly 20-30's year old people who are very helpful, smart, witty. I have not even seen any of the "leet speaker" i see in all the other games Ive played, By far the worst was EQ2 that had an entire guild that only spoke in Leet. EVEN a hardcore PVP game like RF online had very few leet brats. Crafting is simple, you just set fifty things to make and go out to smoke. I hate to tell you this, but only game that had good crafting was SWG, and they ruined that. WOW crafting is fast to the point. I have a JOB IRL i dont want to spend 2 weeks making 1 weapon in a game, if you really desire realistic crafting, stop playing video games and go craft something RL. No XP death penalty If there was xp loss , like in RF, you end up with a small community, Furthmore, you would have ALOT more twinks in PVP cause they could go intentionally lose XP to stay at a certian level and do more quests. Or is that what you want?
Too much solo content (Thats not really a problem unless the solo XP gain is higher then party xp gain) LOL!!! the first time I ever saw anyone complain about too much content, really... yes WOW's greatest downfall is over abundence in content... somehow I think you are your own worst enemy in this topic now. Too simple graphics, no difference if you have 386 or 8800gtx still same shit. I disagree I run 2 computer on WOW, one is your basic $500 Dell with intigrated GXF and the other is a hand built by me custom with a asus 7200 n'vida 512mb DDR PCI express gfx card, and the game looks dull on my dell and rich and vibraint on my hand built. But the fact WOW runs fine and I can even PVP on either computer says HUGE ammounts about WOW as a game for both to run fine. People that play it that actually think wow was original game that changed the genre. What WOW did and what we think?? is that WOW brought proffessionalism to the table, it brought content. It brought RTS players that love functionality and content and story with playability. you can play 2 hours a day or 22 a day and reach the same point. fast customer service, great support, and the fact it does what it says , when it says. WHAT game company can do that? or do you prefer EQ that has a you have to buy expansion every 3 months? TBH I think EverCamp sucked and I never played it just because I never wanted to buy a new Expasion every 3 months. is that NOt content overload which 2 sentencs ago you said was a bad thing? Look, you DONT HAVE TO PLAY WOW, its not a job, its not requrired that you have to play it. Obviously you dont even know game history or world history for that matter. let alone WOW history of its 10 year old on going developing story line. Dont like wow? go play something else.. Hate WOW? dont read our forums and feed us your misinformed jibberish, what do you possible think you will accomplish posting how much the game we love sucks. Or do you feel that we should all think like you and not love a game just cause you happen to not like it?
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Ok those were the most stupid arguments i've read in months here. Its like "Crafting is too simple" Respond: "Oh omg and WHY NOT, do you want to move your hands for 3 hours to make a wooden chair?"
Its a matter of taste and from my point of view yes i would like to see more complex crafting system.
To the second fanboy i would like to point out if he didnt get it that lovecraft/warcraft name was a bit of a sarcasm. Don't stone me for that.
Anyway to the points:
Yes its no difference if you have 8800gtx 2-4gb ram or you have some 256MB graphic card and 0.5-1GB ram. You can't change the graphics. Just compare it to EQ or vang or even lotro, the changes you can do on the graphics from low settings to high settings are huge.
Interface from AC2 was copied not just the layout of the icons on your screen. I guess you never played AC2 otherwise you will find out, wow interface is as close to AC2 as it can be.
Yes warcraft style is copied from warhammer, from the miniature boardgame obviously. That was not really copied from AD&D. Just compare the pictures of those two styles, they are completely different. Then compare warcraft and warhammer. Im not talking yes there are orcs and there are elves, im talking about graphic design.
You also didnt obviously get the point about what was i talking about solo content. Solo content is not a disadvantage to have. But it is a huuge disadvantage if solo questing or solo grinding is much faster then group questing. Which is in WoW in 90% cases. That means all the lone wolfs are like at home in WoW, and most of the players have no reason to group outside of instances, because soloing is just much faster.
Whats the disadvantage that xp death penalty will leave small community afterall? I prefer small community of mature people instead of servers full of shit.
Class system IS terrible in the way that you just can't do mixes between classes. The only customization is going throught talent points and itemization. There is no multiclass system. You just get a few new spells every two levels and one talent point. During creating character process the only thing you can change is appearance. This is not just WoW problem, clearly more games have problem with this too easy CC.
PVP you are saying some silly comparison to FPS games. While this is MMORPG and WoW was clearly not first that brought battlegrounds into MMORPG.
Raiding system the same, its kinda different to make up that idea, then implement that idea to MMORPG. And then just copy the implementation. Lad really if you dont see the difference, you're in a big trouble.
Ok those were the most stupid arguments i've read in months here. Its like "Crafting is too simple" Respond: "Oh omg and WHY NOT, do you want to move your hands for 3 hours to make a wooden chair?" Its a matter of taste and from my point of view yes i would like to see more complex crafting system. To the second fanboy i would like to point out if he didnt get it that lovecraft/warcraft name was a bit of a sarcasm. Don't stone me for that. Anyway to the points: Yes its no difference if you have 8800gtx 2-4gb ram or you have some 256MB graphic card and 0.5-1GB ram. You can't change the graphics. Just compare it to EQ or vang or even lotro, the changes you can do on the graphics from low settings to high settings are huge. Interface from AC2 was copied not just the layout of the icons on your screen. I guess you never played AC2 otherwise you will find out, wow interface is as close to AC2 as it can be. Yes warcraft style is copied from warhammer, from the miniature boardgame obviously. That was not really copied from AD&D. Just compare the pictures of those two styles, they are completely different. Then compare warcraft and warhammer. Im not talking yes there are orcs and there are elves, im talking about graphic design. You also didnt obviously get the point about what was i talking about solo content. Solo content is not a disadvantage to have. But it is a huuge disadvantage if solo questing or solo grinding is much faster then group questing. Which is in WoW in 90% cases. That means all the lone wolfs are like at home in WoW, and most of the players have no reason to group outside of instances, because soloing is just much faster. Whats the disadvantage that xp death penalty will leave small community afterall? I prefer small community of mature people instead of servers full of shit. Class system IS terrible in the way that you just can't do mixes between classes. The only customization is going throught talent points and itemization. There is no multiclass system. You just get a few new spells every two levels and one talent point. During creating character process the only thing you can change is appearance. This is not just WoW problem, clearly more games have problem with this too easy CC. PVP you are saying some silly comparison to FPS games. While this is MMORPG and WoW was clearly not first that brought battlegrounds into MMORPG. Raiding system the same, its kinda different to make up that idea, then implement that idea to MMORPG. And then just copy the implementation. Lad really if you dont see the difference, you're in a big trouble.
Theres just no getting through to haters. This is what goes through their tiny minds.
Oh look a tree, WoW so copied the ideas of trees from AC2.
Oh look the color red.... stole form EQ.
What you play with the mouse? Mythic should sue them.
You can get swords.. hey didn't I see that in OU?
What it runs on a PC? Blizzard are such crooks they stole that from DAoC.. that runs on a PC.
I love the fact that apparently WoW is the ONLY game that steals things, no mention of VG,LOTRO,WAR they all got elements of games that came before them yet its WoW that gets the flack. I'd hate to be as bitter and angry as the WoW haters.
Also a lot of the things you see in MMO's were in Diablo a blizzard game released in 1997, so who copies who?
All MMO's with have elements of games that came before them, if this never happened we all be playing Pong.
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Graphics and art copied from Warhammer world.
Interface copied from AC2
Raiding system copied from EQ1
PVP system copied from AC2/EQ1
Class system is terrible, customization is a joke.
Community is a mix of Btnet kids that behave like Kids and Btnet kids that behave like ... kids.
Crafting is simple, you just set fifty things to make and go out to smoke.
No XP death penalty
Too much solo content (Thats not really a problem unless the solo XP gain is higher then party xp gain)
Too simple graphics, no difference if you have 386 or 8800gtx still same shit.
People that play it that actually think wow was original game that changed the genre.
REALITY CHECK
Do you really think those are "kiddies" that think of that junk, or College students.
Dont confuse lack of maturity for age releviance.
ya read wrong there... he didnt call anyone "kiddies".
The worst thing about it is that people keep bringing it up and discussing it and the same things over and over
That and everyone and their dog now compares other mmo's to it. 
Rep grinds are pretty awful. Developer obliviousness is another thing. The primary investment of development resources into content that is experienced by less than 1% of the actual playerbase is also pretty disheartening.
I am a 2 year WoW vet and recently canceled 2 accts due to the game becoming absolutly terrible. 1st the games had only 1 expansion pack,Other games have had many including EQ2. 2nd The Burning Crusade stinks in the fact it introduced tons of more Rep Grinding which is absolutly Boring to do.3rd seems like you have to get rep to be able to do any heroic dungeon or be keyed for certain dungeons what a pain in the ass to have to do all the time just to run dungeons with your friends. Lastly You pay them so much money per month and get so little in return for what you pay for EQ2 has had a lower population and has gained so much my applause to SOE and what their dev team has accomplished with this amazing game ,I have just started EQ2 and it Blows wow away right now in terms of content and development.
That's generally why I tend to call WoW the "newbie island of mmo's" - its a great way for players new to the genre to get into it and learn the basic principles.. then they are ready to move on to more serious mmo's and take a more productive part of the mmo communities
Nice bit of EQ2 viral marketing there.. I find it funny it took you 2 years to decide the game is so bad.. get a grip, you got bored of WoW just as you'll get bored of EQ2 in a year or 2.... no game lasts for ever.
And to the EQ2 promoter
While other games are doing expansions that you pay for remember this wow/coh/cov all do free expansions with their patches. TBC interduced tier 5 epics and the first patch (not even 2 months later) they where on tier 7 iirc.
So true.
And to the EQ2 promoter
While other games are doing expansions that you pay for remember this wow/coh/cov all do free expansions with their patches. TBC interduced tier 5 epics and the first patch (not even 2 months later) they where on tier 7 iirc.
Shows how little thought WoW devs have been actually using lately... tier 5 to tier 7 in two months, did they just redo the bloodfang set in another color? oh... wait, my bad.
"And after blizzard takes over the world, they are gonna gather a bunch of lemmings, sit on their fat asses near a cliff, and watch the little fuzzy bastards suicide dive into the ground below. . . . . all just for their own entertainment."
/I'm in ur blak helicopters, steelin ur freedomz. Freemasons inc, LOLZ
I went back to FPS, no rep grinding, just simple satisfying pvp. No fee's.
Name warcraft.. sounds like Lovecraft.. complete ripoff.Graphics and art copied from Warhammer world.
Interface copied from AC2
Raiding system copied from EQ1
PVP system copied from AC2/EQ1
Class system is terrible, customization is a joke.
Community is a mix of Btnet kids that behave like Kids and Btnet kids that behave like ... kids.
Crafting is simple, you just set fifty things to make and go out to smoke.
No XP death penalty
Too much solo content (Thats not really a problem unless the solo XP gain is higher then party xp gain)
Too simple graphics, no difference if you have 386 or 8800gtx still same shit.
People that play it that actually think wow was original game that changed the genre.
I'm going to single out this post because it is a concise list. I preface this by saying that it's lonely at the top. WoW has so many bashers and haters because it did something no other mmorpg has done to this scale, become overwhelmingly #1 in a genre that is full of nothing but ripoffs. Many people have a problem with WoW not because they played it. Their problem is they bash anything and everything at the top of every industry. They are the same type of people who bash Microsoft only because they rule the roost. If you are one of these people, get the hell out of this thread.
Now, for those still remaining, I was an original UO player and have played virtually every pay to play mmorpg that has been released to the market since. I agree with some statements from the post I am quoting. The interface is similar to AC2 (yet not the same), all raiding is like EQ1 (only because that was the first "successful" raiding environment), the pvp system was an afterthought (it's not a pvp game), the community leaves something to be desired (but it is really only what you expose yourself to, find a good guild and screw everyone else, no different than any other mmorpg) and crafting is very simple.
I disagree with the fact that WoW art was copied from Warhammer. There are some similarities but not enough to say it was "copied". Simple fact is any past or future fantasy based mmorpg art could be said to have been "copied" from any number of artists' renditions and writers' descriptions since the fantasy and sci-fi genre's first works.
The class system is only a joke if you don't know how to play your class. There will never EVER be a game that has perfect class balance. Keep dreaming for it.
The graphics are quite beautiful. I'm a graphic designer and if you don't care for an artisitc style, that is fine. But saying the graphics suck is a matter of personal opinion, not a fact. It very much matters what graphics card you have. I went from a GeForce 5600FX pci card (which I couldn't even turn the graphics settings up halfway) to a GeForce gx2 7950 with 1GB vram and the difference was staggering. A once bland world was suddenly bursting with detail and color.
Warcraft != Lovecraft. This one is more of a stretch than any other item in this list.
Before you suggest that I am a WoW fanboi, I actually spend more time playing other games than I do WoW. I have an open mind and this allows me to enjoy the many games on the market rather than bashing some of them and becoming strictly loyal to a single game. Due to this, my gaming experience is exponentially more fun and rewarding than if I was to sit around complaining and declaring "OMG TEH GAIM IS TEH SUXXOR".
REALITY CHECK
You seem to raise a lot of points there and most of them are either wrong or just plain silly.
Originally posted by Thillian:
"Name warcraft.. sounds like Lovecraft.. complete ripoff."
Er... what? "Name Thillian... sounds like Sicilian... complete ripoff." Try some originality next time, okay?
"Graphics and art copied from Warhammer world."
I must have missed the big legal case when the Warhammer designers sued the WoW designers for plagiarism... oh, wait. That never happened.
"PVP system copied from AC2/EQ1"
This being the PvP system no one likes much? Yep, I can see why that would be such a big deal to people who aren't going to use it anyway.
"Class system is terrible, customization is a joke."
No, people who don't know how to use the class system are terrible and those who can't customise their character are a joke.
"Community is a mix of Btnet kids that behave like Kids and Btnet kids that behave like ... kids."
I generally find the community to be a pretty decent bunch. Then again, I usually find that people who think the rest of the community are idiots only have themselves to blame. You do know there's an ignore command, right?
"Crafting is simple, you just set fifty things to make and go out to smoke."
Goddamn, that's a terrible thing isn't it? I mean, making something simple so it's not a nightmare to get done? Would you prefer it if to craft say, a sword, took 3 hours of tapping keys on your keyboard to move your character's hands back and forth while they were crafting it? Yes, I can see that being a really popular idea...
"No XP death penalty"
And this is a bad idea because...?
If it makes you feel any better, you could always throw away all your gold and items every time you die. It would then take you so long to reach the next level and get decent gear again that the overall XP lost would be crippling.
"Too much solo content (Thats not really a problem unless the solo XP gain is higher then party xp gain)"
Again, you see this as a bad thing? If you like solo content, fine you've got it. If you don't, do group quests. Do instances. Do raids. Do battlegrounds.
"Too simple graphics, no difference if you have 386 or 8800gtx still same shit."
You think we should take the WoW designers outside and shoot 'em for daring to make a game that doesn't require a monster of a computer to run it smoothly?
"People that play it that actually think wow was original game that changed the genre."
Considering it's the most successful MMO of them all by a long, long way, I'd say it's changed the genre alright. For a start, it's got people playing MMOs that would never have touched them otherwise. If that's a bad thing about it, well, I don't know what you'd consider a good thing.
Blizzard's World of Warcraft = Microsoft's Windows
Both of them take some idea that's not originally theirs, improves it, market it, and turn it into some money turning machine.
Yeah I 'm going to keep on talking about it cause I hate it that much but If I want to keep talking about it will but if you want to make something of it I live in Yokosuka Japan on Yokosuka Naval Base if you want to make something of it about what I post please step to the plate I beg of u.
Hi I'm Ravkeen!
Emilia_Emi Lvl 56 Witch
Now Playing : Black Desert Online
"America is not at war, the US Military is at war, America is at the mall."
Yeah I 'm going to keep on talking about it cause I hate it that much but If I want to keep talking about it will but if you want to make something of it I live in Yokosuka Japan on Yokosuka Naval Base if you want to make something of it about what I post please step to the plate I beg of u.
I actually feel quite sorry for you. You must lead a very sad life indeed if you have nothing better to do with it than keep talking about a game you don't even like.
Yeah I 'm going to keep on talking about it cause I hate it that much but If I want to keep talking about it will but if you want to make something of it I live in Yokosuka Japan on Yokosuka Naval Base if you want to make something of it about what I post please step to the plate I beg of u.
I actually feel quite sorry for you. You must lead a very sad life indeed if you have nothing better to do with it than keep talking about a game you don't even like.
Lead or Live learn how to talk or proof read you message before you send anything ok people. Get a life and stop worring about mine.
Hi I'm Ravkeen!
Emilia_Emi Lvl 56 Witch
Now Playing : Black Desert Online
"America is not at war, the US Military is at war, America is at the mall."
"Key word originality there is no originality in WOW they took stuff other games changed a little bit of it so they would not get sued and called it a game"
I thought you were talking about "creativity"...but O.K. then, well, I guess you could say the same thing about Star Wars....not very original since Lucas used "stuff" from other genres and fables and myths...
oh...nevermind...
You can compare everything to something that predates it. Like the south park episode "simpsons did it"
WoW is very much, in my opinion, a derivative game, derivative of every MMO that came before it. This is indeed one of the strengths of WoW...they looked at what others had done, saw the pratfalls, and sought to avoid them. In the process they made a very successful game that indeed is less than challenging to long time MMO players...but the point is, they've expanded the MMO audience immensely in the process.
The notion that everyone is trying to imitate WoW tells us more about those trying to imitate it in hope of capturing some of its success than it tells us about Blizz.
Having said that, the worst thing about the game is that it is by its very nature something that you burn out on because it has a traditional MMO endgame mentality to it. Unless you can make your own content, you will get bored with it eventually, but Blizz had no "virtual reality" notions of WoW when they conceived the project. They're happy with what they've got.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Once a denizen of Ahazi
Actually it took me 2 years for the fact there was nothing much else to play all my friends went from SWG to wow so I went with them. WoW was great for 2 years and EQ2 when it 1st launched absolutly sucked but now EQ2 is definatly a worthy game to play WoW did 1 thing it made SOE get back to making better games yes they screwed up with SWG but they seem to have learned alot and fixed EQ2 its simply amazing and if you have not played it do not judge the game ty. 1 last thing I did not mean to sound like I hate Wow and on the bash the game side or that I am promoting EQ2. I am just not satisfied with wow in its current state. Now that I AM PLAYING eq2 I am enjoying the new experience my apologies if I sounded too harsh for the wow current players.I had tons of fun raiding dungeons with my friends had it not been for them I would have not played wow long. For the guy posting that wow added tier 6&7 2 months after adding tier 4&5 pretty funny they never left you much time to get your set and enjoy it before adding another grindfest to you did they?
Graphics and art copied from Warhammer world. Yes they are so good that they copied a yet unreleased game to there 3 year old MMO.... Oh wait you meen the old Warhammer board game that copied all the art from AD&D and very Idea of game itself? really?
Interface copied from AC2 So AC2 was the only game to ever have a tool bar, and radar, and map? LOL your just reaching here, might as well say they all copied Diablo, oh wait can't use Diablo, cause thats a blizz game.. and blizz can't copy itself can they. *shakes head saddly*
Raiding system copied from EQ1 actually the concept of Many players working together to take down a big boss at the end of a dungeon is in fact a copy of the 1974 D&D adventure pack ruins or toikair which was the first RPG game to require more then one player to work as a team to kill a boss and share loot from the over all process. EQ1? .. gtfo
PVP system copied from AC2/EQ1 lets see, PVP mini-game in WOW is a standard capture the flag , capture location or Kill enemy leader concept. I might be mistaken I believe the orginal use for this format was in fact first implimented by the roman's arround 1400 BC. It is possible that Everquest is not the orginal Idea maker btw. History does extend further back then 1997 . I know it shard to imagine anying before that ;p
Class system is terrible, customization is a joke. the class system of a warrior, priest, etc that level up and aquire new skills from training with a talent system to specilize and diversity was first used in a in Advanced Dungeons and dragons in 1986 to expand on the basic class system used in D&D orginal game to make each character a little more unquie.
Community is a mix of Btnet kids that behave like Kids and Btnet kids that behave like ... kids. What is Btnet? I never heard of a btnet thing. or why kids would be there, but in regards to World of Warcraft, in the last 6 months I been playing I have met and grouped with and in guild with mostly 20-30's year old people who are very helpful, smart, witty. I have not even seen any of the "leet speaker" i see in all the other games Ive played, By far the worst was EQ2 that had an entire guild that only spoke in Leet. EVEN a hardcore PVP game like RF online had very few leet brats.
Crafting is simple, you just set fifty things to make and go out to smoke. I hate to tell you this, but only game that had good crafting was SWG, and they ruined that. WOW crafting is fast to the point. I have a JOB IRL i dont want to spend 2 weeks making 1 weapon in a game, if you really desire realistic crafting, stop playing video games and go craft something RL.
No XP death penalty If there was xp loss , like in RF, you end up with a small community, Furthmore, you would have ALOT more twinks in PVP cause they could go intentionally lose XP to stay at a certian level and do more quests. Or is that what you want?
Too much solo content (Thats not really a problem unless the solo XP gain is higher then party xp gain) LOL!!! the first time I ever saw anyone complain about too much content, really... yes WOW's greatest downfall is over abundence in content... somehow I think you are your own worst enemy in this topic now.
Too simple graphics, no difference if you have 386 or 8800gtx still same shit. I disagree I run 2 computer on WOW, one is your basic $500 Dell with intigrated GXF and the other is a hand built by me custom with a asus 7200 n'vida 512mb DDR PCI express gfx card, and the game looks dull on my dell and rich and vibraint on my hand built. But the fact WOW runs fine and I can even PVP on either computer says HUGE ammounts about WOW as a game for both to run fine.
People that play it that actually think wow was original game that changed the genre. What WOW did and what we think?? is that WOW brought proffessionalism to the table, it brought content. It brought RTS players that love functionality and content and story with playability. you can play 2 hours a day or 22 a day and reach the same point. fast customer service, great support, and the fact it does what it says , when it says. WHAT game company can do that? or do you prefer EQ that has a you have to buy expansion every 3 months?
TBH I think EverCamp sucked and I never played it just because I never wanted to buy a new Expasion every 3 months. is that NOt content overload which 2 sentencs ago you said was a bad thing?
Look, you DONT HAVE TO PLAY WOW, its not a job, its not requrired that you have to play it. Obviously you dont even know game history or world history for that matter. let alone WOW history of its 10 year old on going developing story line.
Dont like wow? go play something else.. Hate WOW? dont read our forums and feed us your misinformed jibberish, what do you possible think you will accomplish posting how much the game we love sucks. Or do you feel that we should all think like you and not love a game just cause you happen to not like it?
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MiaTaka
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~SWG (Europe-chimaera)
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Ok those were the most stupid arguments i've read in months here. Its like "Crafting is too simple" Respond: "Oh omg and WHY NOT, do you want to move your hands for 3 hours to make a wooden chair?"
Its a matter of taste and from my point of view yes i would like to see more complex crafting system.
To the second fanboy i would like to point out if he didnt get it that lovecraft/warcraft name was a bit of a sarcasm. Don't stone me for that.
Anyway to the points:
Yes its no difference if you have 8800gtx 2-4gb ram or you have some 256MB graphic card and 0.5-1GB ram. You can't change the graphics. Just compare it to EQ or vang or even lotro, the changes you can do on the graphics from low settings to high settings are huge.
Interface from AC2 was copied not just the layout of the icons on your screen. I guess you never played AC2 otherwise you will find out, wow interface is as close to AC2 as it can be.
Yes warcraft style is copied from warhammer, from the miniature boardgame obviously. That was not really copied from AD&D. Just compare the pictures of those two styles, they are completely different. Then compare warcraft and warhammer. Im not talking yes there are orcs and there are elves, im talking about graphic design.
You also didnt obviously get the point about what was i talking about solo content. Solo content is not a disadvantage to have. But it is a huuge disadvantage if solo questing or solo grinding is much faster then group questing. Which is in WoW in 90% cases. That means all the lone wolfs are like at home in WoW, and most of the players have no reason to group outside of instances, because soloing is just much faster.
Whats the disadvantage that xp death penalty will leave small community afterall? I prefer small community of mature people instead of servers full of shit.
Class system IS terrible in the way that you just can't do mixes between classes. The only customization is going throught talent points and itemization. There is no multiclass system. You just get a few new spells every two levels and one talent point. During creating character process the only thing you can change is appearance. This is not just WoW problem, clearly more games have problem with this too easy CC.
PVP you are saying some silly comparison to FPS games. While this is MMORPG and WoW was clearly not first that brought battlegrounds into MMORPG.
Raiding system the same, its kinda different to make up that idea, then implement that idea to MMORPG. And then just copy the implementation. Lad really if you dont see the difference, you're in a big trouble.
REALITY CHECK
Theres just no getting through to haters. This is what goes through their tiny minds.
I love the fact that apparently WoW is the ONLY game that steals things, no mention of VG,LOTRO,WAR they all got elements of games that came before them yet its WoW that gets the flack.
I'd hate to be as bitter and angry as the WoW haters.
Also a lot of the things you see in MMO's were in Diablo a blizzard game released in 1997, so who copies who?
All MMO's with have elements of games that came before them, if this never happened we all be playing Pong.