Why do you all cry about grinding? I played tons of MMORPGs and grindfest is everywhere...look at Eveonline...i played it for 1 week then gave up when i saw that all ill do next 6 months is some stupid repetable quests. Same thing is basicly everywhere.
Is WoW much different...yes! You dont really have that much grinding ... i got all needed heroic keys by leveling up + maybe few runs to some instances to get basic tanking armor for first real raid. You need gold? I dont grind for gold much, i buy cheap herbs off AH, mix potions then sell them and make money + now you have daily quests with 11g reward + reputation.
TBC - good or bad? i would say good...
- pre TBC i had endgame armor, ppl were stoping me in IF to take screenshot, on TBC...n00b who started game 1month before TBC had same gear as me. O.K. maybe it wasnt "fair" to me and other old members but at least new players have chance to be good as old players are (but skill does mather, and they wont ever have skills like me). Compare it to Eve online...Someone who start playing today will never get close to someone whos playing for 3 years.
- new level cap - is needed because introducing new skills! You need level to get tallent point, you need talent point to learn new skill, new skill doesnt mean your old skill is useless.
- Old instances and land will not be forgoten. IF and SW are still trading center of WoW, and as i hear Naxx will be new raiding target in new expansion. Edit: Naxx is usefull on lvl 70 as raiding target cause of frost protection gear what i needed for instances in TBC.
- TBC does give sometihng new! what the hell would you want?!? you got new skills, profesions, levels, land, mobs, instances, dungeons etc etc.
At end it all depends on how you look on game...if you are no social skill n00b ... log off...i dont want to see you in game...we are playing it cause we wana see new places...fact that my epix from TBC will be replaced by lvl 78 green armor is not big trouble for me...only for pricks who play mmorpg like its single player game. All of you with opinions: give me all armor but i dont wana raid, give me gold but i dont want harvest, get reputation but i dont wana do quests or whatever stupid reasons i read till now on this and other posts can freely play solitaire online.
Next...playing TBC is and isnt same as playing preTBC wow. You have new skills, others have new skills...you need to learn how to play with that new stuff and beat game content again. Again i dont get what would people want? You have nice PvP + new coming. You have best PvE in mmorpg world. Does it come down on raiding...yes...but thats the point of WoW.
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Mabey, because 1 of the top 5 MAJOR features/improvments of this expansion pack is: Expanding character customization options including new hairstyles & dances, the ability to change the hairstyles of existing characters, and new skin color variants. For a Ex-pack you have to pay for... you should get more.
Indeed.
Lets see....
They complain about lack of character customisation - blizz gives us this - they complain
They complain about no new classes - blizz gives us this - they complain
They complain about lack of Wold PvP - blizz gives us this - they complain
They complain about no siege weapons - blizz gives us this - they complain
Who is complaining about those specific things? Certanatly not I.
My point was that for an Expansion pack you pay for, one of the MAJOR additions to the game shouldn't be new hair styles. Please. Usually new hairstyles and the like are added through free patches... because... it doesn't really warrent $30, does it?
Why do haters say its wrong to enjoy WoW? Most WoW players know its useless to argue with a hater as they twist everything to suit their point of view. WoW players are constantly under attack on MMORPG so excuse us for being defensive all the time... right now we are the fat kid in the playground that every 1 picks on to make themselves feel better.
I never said you couldnt enjoy WOW., but being accused of lying about a subject thats pretty much common knowledge (ie how fast you can go through 90% of all outland quests) with no argument behind it is just rabid fanboism. It makes your WOW playerbase look very immature. Most MMO players know its useless to argue with a fanboi as they ignore valid points (just because YOU dont agree with them doesnt make them any less valid) and twist everything to suit their point of view. I will agree on you being the fat kid in the playground, except while your there your stuffing your face with Mcdonalds cheeseburgers yelling at everyone how good they are (even though you know your cholestoral is climbing through the roof and which may lead to early heart failure), of course you're gonna get picked on.
The only bad thing about xpacs in wow is the increasing level cap. Add maps, toons, gear, dungeons by all means, but DO NOT make all the old content redundant. 90% of the game instances are empty now as it is. Why not rework them to be usable again? The same can be said for land and areas leading up to BC. Who on earth thinks it's a good idea to completely let the original world of Azeroth die? I mean look, once Northrend comes out it will be more of a ghostland than it already is now. Azeroth still has unfinished zones too.
Also, WOW is like work for a lot of people. Making them work hard to gain stuff only to then make it all worthless is not good. So, as I said, add content by all means, but don't make old content utterly worthless. I agree with this 100% but it is nothing more than a business decision on Blizzard's part. What sickens me is that I have never witnessed such greed from another MMO company. They are luring and keeping people in on the game in completely the wrong way. With all the money they make they should be flooding tons of new content and innovation into the game. Instead they pocket it and let the game glide on past achievments.
The only bad thing about xpacs in wow is the increasing level cap. Add maps, toons, gear, dungeons by all means, but DO NOT make all the old content redundant. 90% of the game instances are empty now as it is. Why not rework them to be usable again? The same can be said for land and areas leading up to BC. Who on earth thinks it's a good idea to completely let the original world of Azeroth die? I mean look, once Northrend comes out it will be more of a ghostland than it already is now. Azeroth still has unfinished zones too.
Its not completly true, bouth new starting areas are in "old" land. Ironforge and Stormwind are still trading centers, maybe not as before TBC (what is normal) but Ironforge is allso called on our server as "town that never sleeps". On other side blizz did say that Naxx will be first instance we will have to return...and who know what future xpacs will bring us...remember that Ragnaros were "sleeping" when we attacked him in MC, thats why we managed to get him down more or less easly...maybe we will fight him again in some near future?!? who knows
Also, WOW is like work for a lot of people. Making them work hard to gain stuff only to then make it all worthless is not good. So, as I said, add content by all means, but don't make old content utterly worthless. I agree with this 100% but it is nothing more than a business decision on Blizzard's part. What sickens me is that I have never witnessed such greed from another MMO company. They are luring and keeping people in on the game in completely the wrong way. With all the money they make they should be flooding tons of new content and innovation into the game. Instead they pocket it and let the game glide on past achievments.
Not true.
O.K. some things were messed up in TBC....but overall it made game better than before. Imo bigest mistake was Kara as first serious raid and limited to 10 players only...that made every guild into drama...Leveling was too fast imo and some quests were totaly stupid (remember Nagrand animal hunt?)...Instances (5man) are boooring...i never visited half of them, or i visited them only if i had cause of reputation.
Anyway i look forward to see new zone and stuff it will bring to us. True that gear you get now will be useless then but who damn cares?? You can sit with 10k gold in pocket and w8 new xpac or you can enjoy game NOW, playing your character best you can putting effort into geting new items cause that item will make you good NOW not tomorow!
As my guildmate said:" There is no point in having T6, T8 or even T900 if you just gonna stand in IF So...fight and wipe till then, and start all over again!"
Anyway...what kind of game you ppl would like to play? One where noone advances? W8 a second...
First you had T1 from MC...then Blizz released new T2 set in BWL...then Naxx came and T3 was released....then TBC and T4 ...etcetc It is advancement trough adventure ... would you like to log into game first time and get Txxx set and thats it? What will you do then?
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The game is just old and tired now. This is its 3rd years and by the time the xpac comes out it will be well into its 4th. That pretty old in the MMO world and for most people they want to see something completely new. Also most the stuff in the xpac was suppose to come out two years ago like someone ealier has said. Blizzard has been screwing around with us for a long time because basically they had no real competition so they didn't really have to try. But now they have not just one but multiple games coming out they actually trying to do something. Even if you love WoW you should be cheering these new games on cause competetion always makes for a better product from all sides. Also with most the pvp people gone (and you can pretty much say they will leave) they can finally balance the game back to its bread and butter PVE.
The bottom line is the PVE folks love this game and the PVP folks hate it and the only reason they still in it cause like a addiction they just looking for something else that can feed their MMO addiction better.
The only bad thing about xpacs in wow is the increasing level cap. Add maps, toons, gear, dungeons by all means, but DO NOT make all the old content redundant. 90% of the game instances are empty now as it is. Why not rework them to be usable again? The same can be said for land and areas leading up to BC. Who on earth thinks it's a good idea to completely let the original world of Azeroth die? I mean look, once Northrend comes out it will be more of a ghostland than it already is now. Azeroth still has unfinished zones too.
Its not completly true, bouth new starting areas are in "old" land. Ironforge and Stormwind are still trading centers, maybe not as before TBC (what is normal) but Ironforge is allso called on our server as "town that never sleeps". On other side blizz did say that Naxx will be first instance we will have to return...and who know what future xpacs will bring us...remember that Ragnaros were "sleeping" when we attacked him in MC, thats why we managed to get him down more or less easly...maybe he will be in future like cthun.
Ok I can understand your trying to make a valid point but IF is one place in all of Azeroth. The fact is 99% of Azeroth is usually deserted unless leveling.
Also, WOW is like work for a lot of people. Making them work hard to gain stuff only to then make it all worthless is not good. So, as I said, add content by all means, but don't make old content utterly worthless. I agree with this 100% but it is nothing more than a business decision on Blizzard's part. What sickens me is that I have never witnessed such greed from another MMO company. They are luring and keeping people in on the game in completely the wrong way. With all the money they make they should be flooding tons of new content and innovation into the game. Instead they pocket it and let the game glide on past achievments.
Not true.
O.K. some things were messed up in TBC....but overall it made game better than before. Imo bigest mistake was Kara as first serious raid and limited to 10 players only...that made every guild into drama...Leveling was too fast imo and some quests were totaly stupid (remember Nagrand animal hunt?)...Instances (5man) are boooring...i never visited half of them, or i visited them only if i had cause of reputation.
Anyway i look forward to see new zone and stuff it will bring to us. True that gear you get now will be useless then but who damn cares?? You can sit with 10k gold in pocket and w8 new xpac or you can enjoy game NOW, playing your character best you can putting effort into geting new items cause that item will make you good NOW not tomorow!
As my guildmate said:" There is no point in having T6, T8 or even T900 if you just gonna stand in IF So...fight and wipe till then, and start all over again!"
Your missing the point. The point is you shouldn't have to constantly reearn achievments because your previous ones have been made null and void. Not to mention you are constantly in the cycle they want you to be in and it's kind of retarded to logically keep doing it. I hate raiding and did it for a long time, I quit right before BC. I talk to tons of people who still play and they still dislike raiding, but they want there epics. Raiding is not fun end of story, raiding like a second job is even less fun. The fact that you are excited to repeat the same boring shit over week after week is astonishing. Only to be outdone by future expansions that follow the same mind set as this one (perhaps) but definitely BC.
The game is just old and tired now. This is its 3rd years and by the time the xpac comes out it will be well into its 4th. That pretty old in the MMO world and for most people they want to see something completely new.
Maybe, but we will know when that game will be released....like most of us tought how EQ is top of gamewold ever...
Also most the stuff in the xpac was suppose to come out two years ago like someone ealier has said. Blizzard has been screwing around with us for a long time because basically they had no real competition so they didn't really have to try.
True that some stuff were brought too late...example is key chain but game is advancing...when it was released it was best and making few changes it will make it still best for long time.
But now they have not just one but multiple games coming out they actually trying to do something.
Ye, we were all w8ting LOTRO...then when i saw it i loled...I mean wtf...copy of wow with bit better graphics but characters move like they were taken from some 1995 game. that game sux... who know what will new games look like. that warhammer thingie...have nothing to say than sit and w8
Even if you love WoW you should be cheering these new games on cause competetion always makes for a better product from all sides. Also with most the pvp people gone (and you can pretty much say they will leave) they can finally balance the game back to its bread and butter PVE.
PvP in WoW is getting better and better. Now you have 4 BGs, few outdoor pvp areas + arenas. You can go with team, alone, trying out your skills in duels (arenas). Will you do Ogrimmar raid or not depends on player(s).
The bottom line is the PVE folks love this game and the PVP folks hate it and the only reason they still in it cause like a addiction they just looking for something else that can feed their MMO addiction to the it better.
allso not true. This is good game for PvP standards. What would you like in PvP?!? In my opinion this is problem that was solved few months ago when blizz made crossrealm BG-s and this kind of whining is for "past times"...not today PvP stile in wow.
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The only bad thing about xpacs in wow is the increasing level cap. Add maps, toons, gear, dungeons by all means, but DO NOT make all the old content redundant. 90% of the game instances are empty now as it is. Why not rework them to be usable again? The same can be said for land and areas leading up to BC. Who on earth thinks it's a good idea to completely let the original world of Azeroth die? I mean look, once Northrend comes out it will be more of a ghostland than it already is now. Azeroth still has unfinished zones too.
Its not completly true, bouth new starting areas are in "old" land. Ironforge and Stormwind are still trading centers, maybe not as before TBC (what is normal) but Ironforge is allso called on our server as "town that never sleeps". On other side blizz did say that Naxx will be first instance we will have to return...and who know what future xpacs will bring us...remember that Ragnaros were "sleeping" when we attacked him in MC, thats why we managed to get him down more or less easly...maybe he will be in future like cthun.
Ok I can understand your trying to make a valid point but IF is one place in all of Azeroth. The fact is 99% of Azeroth is usually deserted unless leveling.
Also, WOW is like work for a lot of people. Making them work hard to gain stuff only to then make it all worthless is not good. So, as I said, add content by all means, but don't make old content utterly worthless. I agree with this 100% but it is nothing more than a business decision on Blizzard's part. What sickens me is that I have never witnessed such greed from another MMO company. They are luring and keeping people in on the game in completely the wrong way. With all the money they make they should be flooding tons of new content and innovation into the game. Instead they pocket it and let the game glide on past achievments.
Not true.
O.K. some things were messed up in TBC....but overall it made game better than before. Imo bigest mistake was Kara as first serious raid and limited to 10 players only...that made every guild into drama...Leveling was too fast imo and some quests were totaly stupid (remember Nagrand animal hunt?)...Instances (5man) are boooring...i never visited half of them, or i visited them only if i had cause of reputation.
Anyway i look forward to see new zone and stuff it will bring to us. True that gear you get now will be useless then but who damn cares?? You can sit with 10k gold in pocket and w8 new xpac or you can enjoy game NOW, playing your character best you can putting effort into geting new items cause that item will make you good NOW not tomorow!
As my guildmate said:" There is no point in having T6, T8 or even T900 if you just gonna stand in IF So...fight and wipe till then, and start all over again!"
Your missing the point. The point is you shouldn't have to constantly reearn achievments because your previous ones have been made null and void. Not to mention you are constantly in the cycle they want you to be in and it's kind of retarded to logically keep doing it. I hate raiding and did it for a long time, I quit right before BC. I talk to tons of people who still play and they still dislike raiding, but they want there epics. Raiding is not fun end of story, raiding like a second job is even less fun. The fact that you are excited to repeat the same boring shit over week after week is astonishing. Only to be outdone by future expansions that follow the same mind set as this one (perhaps) but definitely BC.
thing is that if you have uber armor (let say now, in TBC) most likely that you will have easyer time going trough new expansion than someone who will just start wow or someone who is not packed with epix. They (Blizz) want from WoW to last as long as it can...so game doesnt have end...and there is fact that you will allways need to reearn SOME stuff, not all!
I did say in my previous post, biggest mistake was Kara and 10 man limit...i liked 40 man raids...they were more fun, but new 25 man are cool, and interesting.
And basicly it comes down to this: beating game and content with friends, other players.
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Why do you all cry about grinding? I played tons of MMORPGs and grindfest is everywhere...look at Eveonline...i played it for 1 week then gave up when i saw that all ill do next 6 months is some stupid repetable quests. Same thing is basicly everywhere. Is WoW much different...yes! You dont really have that much grinding ... i got all needed heroic keys by leveling up + maybe few runs to some instances to get basic tanking armor for first real raid. You need gold? I dont grind for gold much, i buy cheap herbs off AH, mix potions then sell them and make money + now you have daily quests with 11g reward + reputation. TBC - good or bad? i would say good... - pre TBC i had endgame armor, ppl were stoping me in IF to take screenshot, on TBC...n00b who started game 1month before TBC had same gear as me. O.K. maybe it wasnt "fair" to me and other old members but at least new players have chance to be good as old players are (but skill does mather, and they wont ever have skills like me). Compare it to Eve online...Someone who start playing today will never get close to someone whos playing for 3 years. - new level cap - is needed because introducing new skills! You need level to get tallent point, you need talent point to learn new skill, new skill doesnt mean your old skill is useless. - Old instances and land will not be forgoten. IF and SW are still trading center of WoW, and as i hear Naxx will be new raiding target in new expansion. Edit: Naxx is usefull on lvl 70 as raiding target cause of frost protection gear what i needed for instances in TBC. - TBC does give sometihng new! what the hell would you want?!? you got new skills, profesions, levels, land, mobs, instances, dungeons etc etc. At end it all depends on how you look on game...if you are no social skill n00b ... log off...i dont want to see you in game...we are playing it cause we wana see new places...fact that my epix from TBC will be replaced by lvl 78 green armor is not big trouble for me...only for pricks who play mmorpg like its single player game. All of you with opinions: give me all armor but i dont wana raid, give me gold but i dont want harvest, get reputation but i dont wana do quests or whatever stupid reasons i read till now on this and other posts can freely play solitaire online. Next...playing TBC is and isnt same as playing preTBC wow. You have new skills, others have new skills...you need to learn how to play with that new stuff and beat game content again. Again i dont get what would people want? You have nice PvP + new coming. You have best PvE in mmorpg world. Does it come down on raiding...yes...but thats the point of WoW.
Beta WoW was never ever about raiding. This was suppose to be a casual game from beginning to end. Of all the things that Blizzard could change about the game, raiding was the only thing the clueless devs could come up with. They had promised that what little raiding there was, would only net you special particle weapons, they wouldn't have any better stats than the 5 man dungeons. For a company that is known for disliking big changes in their games, it makes one wonder why they made such a huge change in regards to raiding. I think the primary reason is after all is said and done, Bizzard is lazy. They lack the stamina, endurance and imagination of a trend setting company.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
The game is just old and tired now. This is its 3rd years and by the time the xpac comes out it will be well into its 4th. That pretty old in the MMO world and for most people they want to see something completely new. Maybe, but we will know when that game will be released....like most of us tought how EQ is top of gamewold ever... Also most the stuff in the xpac was suppose to come out two years ago like someone ealier has said. Blizzard has been screwing around with us for a long time because basically they had no real competition so they didn't really have to try. True that some stuff were brought too late...example is key chain but game is advancing...when it was released it was best and making few changes it will make it still best for long time. But now they have not just one but multiple games coming out they actually trying to do something. Ye, we were all w8ting LOTRO...then when i saw it i loled...I mean wtf...copy of wow with bit better graphics but characters move like they were taken from some 1995 game. that game sux... who know what will new games look like. that warhammer thingie...have nothing to say than sit and w8 Even if you love WoW you should be cheering these new games on cause competetion always makes for a better product from all sides. Also with most the pvp people gone (and you can pretty much say they will leave) they can finally balance the game back to its bread and butter PVE. PvP in WoW is getting better and better. Now you have 4 BGs, few outdoor pvp areas + arenas. You can go with team, alone, trying out your skills in duels (arenas). Will you do Ogrimmar raid or not depends on player(s). The bottom line is the PVE folks love this game and the PVP folks hate it and the only reason they still in it cause like a addiction they just looking for something else that can feed their MMO addiction to the it better. allso not true. This is good game for PvP standards. What would you like in PvP?!? In my opinion this is problem that was solved few months ago when blizz made crossrealm BG-s and this kind of whining is for "past times"...not today PvP stile in wow.
ROFL Battlegrounds LOL LOL.... you really consider that PVP lol. Is it is pvp by definition yes. Is it pvp that most us know and love by people who have played other games no. The battlegrounds are a joke and have been for years hell look at AV in its current condition. That has been going on for how long now? The heart of any real pvp is siege and even though blizzard said that its coming in the xpac is it going to be world pvp or yet another battleground that you can only have a certain number of people play and at the end of the day means nothing. REAL pvp has lasting effects on guilds, factions, enviroment etc etc., battlegrounds only mean something in the time span it takes to finish it and then means nothing. WoW pvp is no different than Guild Wars the same game most people (WoW people) don't even consider a MMO. The pve and pvp in WoW are for the most part independent of each other and that's not how its suppose to be in a TRUE pvp game. WAR and AOC are not built that way if anything the PVE supports the PVP effort and that they way it needs to be. Even if they did make the siege in the xpac world pvp I don't expect it to be worth anything cause we all know the moment you get to many players in WoW together it will either lag you to death or cause the server to crash. And most likely it will only be in that new territory and will have no effect on the current terrority in game right now.
But keep the post coming I need to burn some time while at work
Probably because people are tired of it. Then there are the people that just got done leveling all their characters to 70, worked for gear, now it means nothing again.
Welcome to world of warcraft. Always seeking to make people who are either mediocre to terrible feel like they are good at the game. It is their whole strategy along with letting Chinese people play for next to nothing with free xpacs.
The game is just old and tired now. This is its 3rd years and by the time the xpac comes out it will be well into its 4th. That pretty old in the MMO world and for most people they want to see something completely new. Maybe, but we will know when that game will be released....like most of us tought how EQ is top of gamewold ever... Also most the stuff in the xpac was suppose to come out two years ago like someone ealier has said. Blizzard has been screwing around with us for a long time because basically they had no real competition so they didn't really have to try. True that some stuff were brought too late...example is key chain but game is advancing...when it was released it was best and making few changes it will make it still best for long time. But now they have not just one but multiple games coming out they actually trying to do something. Ye, we were all w8ting LOTRO...then when i saw it i loled...I mean wtf...copy of wow with bit better graphics but characters move like they were taken from some 1995 game. that game sux... who know what will new games look like. that warhammer thingie...have nothing to say than sit and w8 Even if you love WoW you should be cheering these new games on cause competetion always makes for a better product from all sides. Also with most the pvp people gone (and you can pretty much say they will leave) they can finally balance the game back to its bread and butter PVE. PvP in WoW is getting better and better. Now you have 4 BGs, few outdoor pvp areas + arenas. You can go with team, alone, trying out your skills in duels (arenas). Will you do Ogrimmar raid or not depends on player(s). The bottom line is the PVE folks love this game and the PVP folks hate it and the only reason they still in it cause like a addiction they just looking for something else that can feed their MMO addiction to the it better. allso not true. This is good game for PvP standards. What would you like in PvP?!? In my opinion this is problem that was solved few months ago when blizz made crossrealm BG-s and this kind of whining is for "past times"...not today PvP stile in wow.
ROFL Battlegrounds LOL LOL.... you really consider that PVP lol. Is it is pvp by definition yes. Is it pvp that most us know and love by people who have played other games no. The battlegrounds are a joke and have been for years hell look at AV in its current condition. That has been going on for how long now? The heart of any real pvp is siege and even though blizzard said that its coming in the xpac is it going to be world pvp or yet another battleground that you can only have a certain number of people play and at the end of the day means nothing. REAL pvp has lasting effects on guilds, factions, enviroment etc etc., battlegrounds only mean something in the time span it takes to finish it and then means nothing. WoW pvp is no different than Guild Wars the same game most people (WoW people) don't even consider a MMO. The pve and pvp in WoW are for the most part independent of each other and that's not how its suppose to be in a TRUE pvp game. WAR and AOC are not built that way if anything the PVE supports the PVP effort and that they way it needs to be. Even if they did make the siege in the xpac world pvp I don't expect it to be worth anything cause we all know the moment you get to many players in WoW together it will either lag you to death or cause the server to crash. And most likely it will only be in that new territory and will have no effect on the current terrority in game right now.
But keep the post coming I need to burn some time while at work
Just so you know, and to stop the speculation, easy to find this info if you bother looking. search you tube for "blizzcon" videos.
Siege weapons will be used inside battlegrounds and in the new RvR zone.
What happens in the RvR Zone DOES effect the rest of Northrend.
Devs said they are discussing Guild vs Guild Battle ground rankings.
The game is just old and tired now. This is its 3rd years and by the time the xpac comes out it will be well into its 4th. That pretty old in the MMO world and for most people they want to see something completely new. Maybe, but we will know when that game will be released....like most of us tought how EQ is top of gamewold ever... Also most the stuff in the xpac was suppose to come out two years ago like someone ealier has said. Blizzard has been screwing around with us for a long time because basically they had no real competition so they didn't really have to try. True that some stuff were brought too late...example is key chain but game is advancing...when it was released it was best and making few changes it will make it still best for long time. But now they have not just one but multiple games coming out they actually trying to do something. Ye, we were all w8ting LOTRO...then when i saw it i loled...I mean wtf...copy of wow with bit better graphics but characters move like they were taken from some 1995 game. that game sux... who know what will new games look like. that warhammer thingie...have nothing to say than sit and w8 Even if you love WoW you should be cheering these new games on cause competetion always makes for a better product from all sides. Also with most the pvp people gone (and you can pretty much say they will leave) they can finally balance the game back to its bread and butter PVE. PvP in WoW is getting better and better. Now you have 4 BGs, few outdoor pvp areas + arenas. You can go with team, alone, trying out your skills in duels (arenas). Will you do Ogrimmar raid or not depends on player(s). The bottom line is the PVE folks love this game and the PVP folks hate it and the only reason they still in it cause like a addiction they just looking for something else that can feed their MMO addiction to the it better. allso not true. This is good game for PvP standards. What would you like in PvP?!? In my opinion this is problem that was solved few months ago when blizz made crossrealm BG-s and this kind of whining is for "past times"...not today PvP stile in wow.
ROFL Battlegrounds LOL LOL.... you really consider that PVP lol. Is it is pvp by definition yes. Is it pvp that most us know and love by people who have played other games no. The battlegrounds are a joke and have been for years hell look at AV in its current condition. That has been going on for how long now? The heart of any real pvp is siege and even though blizzard said that its coming in the xpac is it going to be world pvp or yet another battleground that you can only have a certain number of people play and at the end of the day means nothing. REAL pvp has lasting effects on guilds, factions, enviroment etc etc., battlegrounds only mean something in the time span it takes to finish it and then means nothing. WoW pvp is no different than Guild Wars the same game most people (WoW people) don't even consider a MMO. The pve and pvp in WoW are for the most part independent of each other and that's not how its suppose to be in a TRUE pvp game. WAR and AOC are not built that way if anything the PVE supports the PVP effort and that they way it needs to be. Even if they did make the siege in the xpac world pvp I don't expect it to be worth anything cause we all know the moment you get to many players in WoW together it will either lag you to death or cause the server to crash. And most likely it will only be in that new territory and will have no effect on the current terrority in game right now.
But keep the post coming I need to burn some time while at work
Just so you know, and to stop the speculation, easy to find this info if you bother looking. search you tube for "blizzcon" videos.
Siege weapons will be used inside battlegrounds and in the new RvR zone.
What happens in the RvR Zone DOES effect the rest of Northrend.
Devs said they are discussing Guild vs Guild Battle ground rankings.
The RVR zones sounds like they could be interesting. Guild has the potential to be if most the guilds in WoW didn't suck so bad. I know in my old guild when I played I don't trust them to be capable to PVP against another guild to save their own lives. Exactly what effect on Northrend will it have? Please don't tell me it will give you another buff..
Probably because people are tired of it. Then there are the people that just got done leveling all their characters to 70, worked for gear, now it means nothing again.
Welcome to world of warcraft. Always seeking to make people who are either mediocre to terrible feel like they are good at the game. It is their whole strategy along with letting Chinese people play for next to nothing with free xpacs.
They earn much less in china which is why they appear to pay less, the average person in china earns $632/month ( Link ) the average American earns $3666/month ( Link ).
lets do some math based an average incomes above
An American pay $15 a month thats 0.4% of his monthly income.
A china player pays about 4 cent/hour, lets say he plays 80 hours a month, thats about $3.20 or 0.5% of his monthly income
So you see we pay about the same, but in most cases pay more in china... we got it good. So no more bull crap about them paying less. its not true.
Yeah they get the expansion free 8 months after we get for $40 (thats 1 good Friday night out). Why not move to china if it upsets you so much.. send me a post card form your Nike sweat shop your working in for 80 hours a week
All anti-blizzard stuff aside, I think there are some realistic reasons why people are apprehensive about the new expansion.
First off, although the Hero Classes that were promised at release were announced, the implimentation is a question. Do you force people to grind to 80 now before they can even start? Does it change your existing character or does it "unlock" the Hero Class that you then create and play from level 1?
No new basic classes or new races (so far). So then replay value is practically nil. TBC forced players to start over at level 1 when they made their blood elf or draenei, with new starter content.
Loot progression is a big question mark. TBC was terribly imbalanced for loots. Simple green drops in Hellfire were comparable to Teir 1 raid gear. Once someone hit 58, they could gear up with blues/greens in Hellfire alone and by 60 would be pretty much equal gear-wise to a 60 with full pvp epics or tier 1/2. Many worry that all the work they are doing in the Black Temple will now be made wasted by the first green drop in Northrend.
However, it is early announcement so as more info comes out I'm sure we will get a better idea as to what this expansion will and will not deliver.
They already drove most of us away. I mean, back in the day when I was younger playing EQ yeah I devoted more time to it. I can't have a stable life and play WoW effectively...it just isnt possible. If I spent all the time needed to get DKP I would be divorced and living in a trash can. Most of us who grew up with Blizzard just can't understand why they would write off their fans. We arn't children anymore. If you started playing Warcraft when the original released, chances are you are too old now to be able to be playing 12 hours a day. Most of us can't be raiders anymore...we have lives. Take that into consideration. Those of us with families and full time jobs. WoW is nothing but raiding and whining over gear anyway. I know anyone here who is in a raiding guild can say they had at least one person quit the guild over loot. Stop the raid based content, give us meaningful pvp and the ability to make progress on our characters playing a short while each night without having to mark a calendar, and attend a raid like its being at work all over again.
Who wants to get off work to come home to have to be online at the right time and right place to get into the raid for the chance to maybe get gear. One job is enough for me.
First i didnt say anything about Blizz...i dont care...while you all reading and posting on this forum you use Microsoft windows (90% of users do), and we all know what kind of crap microsoft is...but thats not the point.
DKP...who use DKP? What sistem of DKP did your guild use? There are new better ways of "biding" for loot than usual DKP stuff. How much time do you need to spend in WoW depends on how good you wana be. Like i saied before, i was in best alliance riding guild and i played 4 hrs a day when we had raids, and not every day but only 3-4 times a week. We managed to clear good part of Naxx before TBC was released. Fcourse that if you want to clear all instances in 1 week you need to play 24 hours. Karazhan can be cleared in 7 hrs...will you clear it in one day?!? or 3 days?!? or 5 maybe?!? So you see...its not really that much "time taking" thing...it is if and only if you want it to be!
I have life, i work my 9 hrs every day, i work out in gym 3x a week, and i run about 6 km at least twice a week + i have good social relationships and i play wow every day so dont tell me about how much time it takes...
With some changes they made in PvP and in PvE it can be realised they are going that "more casual" way and by the way they are making stuff for "pro raiders" and fanatics who are only about serverfirsts. After all Blizz did say they will release new expansion every year so basicy every year your previous year effort will drop in water (if you look at it that way) or you can just have fun.
DKP - giving loot to people was hard, even harder when you consider there is 40 people in raid. But with 10 and 25 ppl there is much easyer decision how to spread loot to members. Second thing about raiding and getting l00t is about guilds itself. If you are in guild that respect you, if you are with your friends and if you contribute to your guild prosperity you will get loot because they know you need it cause if you are (example) main tank and they dont gear you up...they wont see new instances very soon...So sooner or later you will get your gear. Since there is no much people in raid, 10 man raids come down to 2 tanks, from wich one can be druid or pala only you as warrior roll or bid on armor. Same thing is with all other classes. Its different than when you had 40 ppl to bid over some item.
PvP - rewards are easyer to get. With cross realm BG-s queue time is about 1-10 minutes, Arenas queues are under 1 min. So you can PvP all day long. Like i said before, i collected basic PvP set in one week. arena gear is a bit harder to get but...what means it can be done in 1 week...but maybe 1 month.
And yea, i consider BGs ONE part of PvP in WoW. you can do that OR arenas OR world PvP. I really dont see much difference from Blizz PvP than in some other games like Eve online where some pirate wants to gank you when you jump trough gate...same as when tauren jump from bushes to punch your character in face. Fact is allso that some things are missing, yea, but i wouldnt call it BAD PvP...
And for end...show me one game where you put all players (or much players) togeather that doesnt lag? I saw it in Eve online, i saw it in space cowboy and all other games i played.
My server (stormrage) crashed maybe once in 2 years how long im playing on it. they dont even restart them any more...you can just play on and on without stoping.
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First off, although the Hero Classes that were promised at release were announced, the implimentation is a question. Do you force people to grind to 80 now before they can even start? Does it change your existing character or does it "unlock" the Hero Class that you then create and play from level 1? Things you, we dont know doesnt mean wow sux and that it will be bad expansion. No new basic classes or new races (so far). So then replay value is practically nil. TBC forced players to start over at level 1 when they made their blood elf or draenei, with new starter content. Loot progression is a big question mark. TBC was terribly imbalanced for loots. Simple green drops in Hellfire were comparable to Teir 1 raid gear. This isnt true! I changed my T2 and T3 pcs with lvl 69-70 blue quality items. And some of my items (like AQ shoulders, lifegiving gem and few other things) are still uber compared to new stuff i found. So that story how new green items can just replace your ol T3 is crap. Once someone hit 58, they could gear up with blues/greens in Hellfire alone and by 60 would be pretty much equal gear-wiseto a 60 with full pvp epics or tier 1/2. Wrong, like rest you wroted down there. As i said, i changed my epix axe with lvl 68 blue drop in outlands, before that i didnt find any usefull thing. Same is with all my armor and your constatation is just wrong. Many worry that all the work they are doing in the Black Temple will now be made wasted by the first green drop in Northrend However, it is early announcement so as more info comes out I'm sure we will get a better idea as to what this expansion will and will not deliver.
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They do nothing new and they repeatedly unbalance the game by itemization / talents.
Go play an MMO that was forced to balance their classes that must be diverse in both PvP/PvE (DAoC / CoH / CoV).
Blizzard has no idea how to maintain this game anymore. The expansion will be more of what we already have seen. Hell, they don't even know how to redo boss enounters.
Do yourself a favor and save yourself the monthly fee for a game that is worth while and dev's respond / listen / reply!!!
Retired Max LvL and Raiding for - EQ - DAoC - Dungeon Runners - WoW - LoTR:Online - GW/All Expansions - CoH/V - SWG *** Currently Playing EQ2 *** Awaiting - PoTBS!
Wrath of LIch king is blizzards attempt to add depth to a very shallow game. Cracks me up, oh the death knight class hmmm that is strangly similar to the shadowknight from everquest2.
Lets just look at some of the things I have noticed having played both games.
And just to clear any confusion I still play both and I think WoW isn't a "Bad" game it just lacks any depth.
Eq2 was built around pve and it is the best in class for that, raids etc you name it. WoW was built with pvp in mind and it does a much better job of making pvp accessible to the masses. (eq2 pvp can be brutal)
Wow is stagnant, yea they may add a high end dungeon here and there but it was what 2+ years before TBC came out.
Eq2 has had 3 expansions with a 4th one coming in november and 3 adventure packs. This year they added a whole new city and race and 1-20 starting zone for free, as well as a new high end raid zone and a high in group dungeon all for free. They have moved from a $5 adventure pack model to free content injections about every other month. Some people complain that eq2 is too group based, yea that was true in 2004-2005 but they have made the game MUCH more solo friendly and just last week they changed even more of the mobs in the outside zones to solo mobs instead of "elite". So someone starting the game will have no problems soloing up to 60 or 70 if they choose. Most people once they pley will find that groups aren't that bad like they are in wow, people actually work together and it is not every man for himself like most wow groups tend to be. (yes there are some exceptions)
Just a few of the things you can do in eq2 that you can't in wow: Fight from your mounts, player housing, first of the year 2008 they are adding guild islands so your guild can have it's own city/island with hundreds of rooms for players to setup their house. (For those who don't know you use your house as an Action house people can come to your house and buy your stuff you have for sale)
You can jump from griffons, so if you are flying some place and you want to jump off halfway over the water or when the griffon gets low enough to the ground so you don't die (or if you are one of the two races that can glide).
Maps are vertical as well, some places you have to climb walls to get to different areas.
All healers Can rez during battle, one thing I hate in wow if I die during fight I think only a few healers (druids i think) can rez before the fight is over. All healers can also summon a revive feather, essence or whatever to your bag so if all your healers die someone else in the group can revive them after combat is over.
I see one reason people may get bored with wow is the lack of classes, the 8 or so wow classes can get old quick, with eq2 you have 24 to choose from and you have 100 "talent" points you can gain to further customize your character.
The lvl 65-70 dungeons that drop the Class specific armor sets will ONLY drop items that someone in your group can wear and if someone in your group already has that item in their bags or bank or on them it will not drop that particular one. So say you go into Crypt of Valdoon which drops forearm set piece, everyone except the warlock has already got their forearm, then there is a 100% chance to drop the warlock forearm. Same thing with the Echoes of Faydwer raid zones, the higher end set items (think purple) drop according to what the people in your raid have already received. This is such a nice feature when you are trying to gear up your raid force or whatever.
No corpse runs in eq2, when you die you either get rezzed by someone in your group or you revive back at the safe area for the dungeon or zone you are in, rebuff and get right back to it (60 sec revive sickness).
The mod community for eq2 is amazing, two personal favorites are eq2maps and ProfitReborn UI Eq2maps adds POI (points of interest) dots to your map for stuff like where named mobs can be found or where quest updates are as well as user created maps for dungeons that don't come with default maps. Profit UI in addition to providing a TON of info about your spell crit rate melee crit rate etc and how much power/health you regen during or after fights it adds a hyperlink to the quest journal that you can click and it will pull up the current quest on eq2.wikia.com if you are not sure what to do next for that quest.
Guilds actually mean something in eq2, when you create a guild it is level 1, there several different things you can do to give your guild XP that I will not go into detail. Once your guild reaches level 10-20-30-40 and 60 you can gain access to bigger houses faster mounts, a mailbox for inside your house and a ton of other things. So most eq2 guilds are alot better at working together and helping everyone out. (i know there are some wow guilds like this) This also brings up the point that 90% of the eq2 players (not counting pvp) are mature players, you won't see ROFLCOPTER over and over in chat.
The high end raid dungeons don't require everyone to be "keyed" alot do not require any pre-requisite but the ones that do only ONE person has to have completed the "key" or access quest to get everyone else into the zone.
Graphics are mind blowing in eq2 especially in the new continent, character models and armor are awesome. Wow character models are the worst thing I have EVER seen, I mean the fingers on my dwarf look like loaf's of bread stuck on his arm, same thing with the human the fingers are the size that their arm SHOULD be. Don't get me wrong the graphics of the world etc look ok for that style and everyone likes a different style but I just think they could do alot better. Maybe the 10-16 yr old population it was targeted at prefers that look.
You can also do collection quests, basically at random places in any of the zones there are these shiny things you can see from a long way off that have a ? above them and if you harvest it you get some random item and if you right click it you can start a new collection quest to get the rest of the items of that set. When you complete a collection you go talk to the collection person in your home city and he will give you your reward. Collection quests give alot of adventure XP and will give you more xp towards your 100 AA "talent points". Some of the rewards are pretty awesome. They can range from Stuff to put in your house, to a rare stone that you can sell for 100g or so or my favorite are the ones that give you a nice earring or neck item etc. One of the better mage earrings for a lvl 70 is a reward from a collection quest.
If you have say a level 10 character but all your friends have 70s they can still group with you and mentor down to your level and you receive bonus Xp from them and they still get a small amount of xp too.
Leveling in eq2 in my experience is much less of a grind than in wow, you start out with 100% rest xp or "vitality" and unless you ding 3-4 times in one night you usually will not run out of double xp. Leveling 1-20 in 1 nite is easy if you run around in a group. Or 1-20 in 2 nights if solo.
As far as getting groups or people to help with harder stuff I rarely have problems getting groups at any level range to do stuff. In wow on the otherhand getting a group can take forever if you aren't doing the top end 70 stuff that everyone wants to do.
Crafting in eq2 is soo much more fun than wow, wow yea all you have to do is get the mats and click create and hope you have the bag space. Eq2 you have to press buttons to craft but you don't have to get nearly as much materials to level up. You gain levels from 1-70 just like adventuring instead of point by point basis. (the exception is transmuting aka enchanting or tinkering aka engineering) Crafting professions are: Alchemist(potions and figher spells), Sage(makes mage/healer spells), jeweler(can make scout spells), Armorer, weaponsmith, tailorer, carpenter (armor repair kits and furniture), woodworker(makes bows, arrows, wands etc), provisioner(makes food/drink)
No login que EVER, only 2 or 3 times in 3yrs can i remember server lag, the regular weekly updates are tuesday morning and last for typically 1-1.5hrs downtime. (I will give wow credit they have seemed to fix the login que issue and server lag has gotten alot better in the old zones, the outland still has issues sometimes.)
Those are just a few of the things I can think of off the top of my head. From my viewpoint of playing eq2 from day one and wow only since last summer, wow has been trying to keep up with the progress eq2 has made but have fallen far behind and it is hurting them. Almost every day in eq2 I meet someone new that used to play wow but then went to VG>LOTRO then came to eq2. I will be the first to admit eq2 was very clunky and had some issues in the beginning compaired to wow but you CANNOT compair eq2 back then to the current eq2 as it is completely different. The developers actually listen to the players and continually make changes to improve the game experience.
I think Wrath of the Lich King will be fun for 2-3months like TBC was for alot of people then they will be bored again. It is a step in the right direction for blizzard but for me anyways it can't compete with the polished ever improving eq2.
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Why do you all cry about grinding? I played tons of MMORPGs and grindfest is everywhere...look at Eveonline...i played it for 1 week then gave up when i saw that all ill do next 6 months is some stupid repetable quests. Same thing is basicly everywhere.
Is WoW much different...yes! You dont really have that much grinding ... i got all needed heroic keys by leveling up + maybe few runs to some instances to get basic tanking armor for first real raid. You need gold? I dont grind for gold much, i buy cheap herbs off AH, mix potions then sell them and make money + now you have daily quests with 11g reward + reputation.
TBC - good or bad? i would say good...
- pre TBC i had endgame armor, ppl were stoping me in IF to take screenshot, on TBC...n00b who started game 1month before TBC had same gear as me. O.K. maybe it wasnt "fair" to me and other old members but at least new players have chance to be good as old players are (but skill does mather, and they wont ever have skills like me). Compare it to Eve online...Someone who start playing today will never get close to someone whos playing for 3 years.
- new level cap - is needed because introducing new skills! You need level to get tallent point, you need talent point to learn new skill, new skill doesnt mean your old skill is useless.
- Old instances and land will not be forgoten. IF and SW are still trading center of WoW, and as i hear Naxx will be new raiding target in new expansion. Edit: Naxx is usefull on lvl 70 as raiding target cause of frost protection gear what i needed for instances in TBC.
- TBC does give sometihng new! what the hell would you want?!? you got new skills, profesions, levels, land, mobs, instances, dungeons etc etc.
At end it all depends on how you look on game...if you are no social skill n00b ... log off...i dont want to see you in game...we are playing it cause we wana see new places...fact that my epix from TBC will be replaced by lvl 78 green armor is not big trouble for me...only for pricks who play mmorpg like its single player game. All of you with opinions: give me all armor but i dont wana raid, give me gold but i dont want harvest, get reputation but i dont wana do quests or whatever stupid reasons i read till now on this and other posts can freely play solitaire online.
Next...playing TBC is and isnt same as playing preTBC wow. You have new skills, others have new skills...you need to learn how to play with that new stuff and beat game content again. Again i dont get what would people want? You have nice PvP + new coming. You have best PvE in mmorpg world. Does it come down on raiding...yes...but thats the point of WoW.
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Indeed.
Lets see....
They complain about lack of character customisation - blizz gives us this - they complain
They complain about no new classes - blizz gives us this - they complain
They complain about lack of Wold PvP - blizz gives us this - they complain
They complain about no siege weapons - blizz gives us this - they complain
Who is complaining about those specific things? Certanatly not I.
My point was that for an Expansion pack you pay for, one of the MAJOR additions to the game shouldn't be new hair styles. Please. Usually new hairstyles and the like are added through free patches... because... it doesn't really warrent $30, does it?
Well try to see wider specter of picture here plix...
They mentioned that in crappy trailer and that doesnt mean that youll get World of Sims, and that new hair cut will be main upgrade of game...
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I never said you couldnt enjoy WOW., but being accused of lying about a subject thats pretty much common knowledge (ie how fast you can go through 90% of all outland quests) with no argument behind it is just rabid fanboism. It makes your WOW playerbase look very immature. Most MMO players know its useless to argue with a fanboi as they ignore valid points (just because YOU dont agree with them doesnt make them any less valid) and twist everything to suit their point of view. I will agree on you being the fat kid in the playground, except while your there your stuffing your face with Mcdonalds cheeseburgers yelling at everyone how good they are (even though you know your cholestoral is climbing through the roof and which may lead to early heart failure), of course you're gonna get picked on.
they hate it because there won't really much new things maybe 1 more class 10 more lvls
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Anyway...what kind of game you ppl would like to play? One where noone advances? W8 a second...
First you had T1 from MC...then Blizz released new T2 set in BWL...then Naxx came and T3 was released....then TBC and T4 ...etcetc It is advancement trough adventure ... would you like to log into game first time and get Txxx set and thats it? What will you do then?
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The game is just old and tired now. This is its 3rd years and by the time the xpac comes out it will be well into its 4th. That pretty old in the MMO world and for most people they want to see something completely new. Also most the stuff in the xpac was suppose to come out two years ago like someone ealier has said. Blizzard has been screwing around with us for a long time because basically they had no real competition so they didn't really have to try. But now they have not just one but multiple games coming out they actually trying to do something. Even if you love WoW you should be cheering these new games on cause competetion always makes for a better product from all sides. Also with most the pvp people gone (and you can pretty much say they will leave) they can finally balance the game back to its bread and butter PVE.
The bottom line is the PVE folks love this game and the PVP folks hate it and the only reason they still in it cause like a addiction they just looking for something else that can feed their MMO addiction better.
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Beta WoW was never ever about raiding. This was suppose to be a casual game from beginning to end. Of all the things that Blizzard could change about the game, raiding was the only thing the clueless devs could come up with. They had promised that what little raiding there was, would only net you special particle weapons, they wouldn't have any better stats than the 5 man dungeons. For a company that is known for disliking big changes in their games, it makes one wonder why they made such a huge change in regards to raiding. I think the primary reason is after all is said and done, Bizzard is lazy. They lack the stamina, endurance and imagination of a trend setting company.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
ROFL Battlegrounds LOL LOL.... you really consider that PVP lol. Is it is pvp by definition yes. Is it pvp that most us know and love by people who have played other games no. The battlegrounds are a joke and have been for years hell look at AV in its current condition. That has been going on for how long now? The heart of any real pvp is siege and even though blizzard said that its coming in the xpac is it going to be world pvp or yet another battleground that you can only have a certain number of people play and at the end of the day means nothing. REAL pvp has lasting effects on guilds, factions, enviroment etc etc., battlegrounds only mean something in the time span it takes to finish it and then means nothing. WoW pvp is no different than Guild Wars the same game most people (WoW people) don't even consider a MMO. The pve and pvp in WoW are for the most part independent of each other and that's not how its suppose to be in a TRUE pvp game. WAR and AOC are not built that way if anything the PVE supports the PVP effort and that they way it needs to be. Even if they did make the siege in the xpac world pvp I don't expect it to be worth anything cause we all know the moment you get to many players in WoW together it will either lag you to death or cause the server to crash. And most likely it will only be in that new territory and will have no effect on the current terrority in game right now.
But keep the post coming I need to burn some time while at work
how can any one NOT hate the new WoW xpac?!?!
how can any one NOT hate the new WoW xpac?!?!
how can any one NOT hate the new WoW xpac?!?!
how can any one NOT hate the new WoW xpac?!?!
how can any one NOT hate the new WoW xpac?!?!
Played almost everything...
Currently playing nothing...
Waiting for: Darkfall, WAR, Guild Wars 2.
Welcome to world of warcraft. Always seeking to make people who are either mediocre to terrible feel like they are good at the game. It is their whole strategy along with letting Chinese people play for next to nothing with free xpacs.
ROFL Battlegrounds LOL LOL.... you really consider that PVP lol. Is it is pvp by definition yes. Is it pvp that most us know and love by people who have played other games no. The battlegrounds are a joke and have been for years hell look at AV in its current condition. That has been going on for how long now? The heart of any real pvp is siege and even though blizzard said that its coming in the xpac is it going to be world pvp or yet another battleground that you can only have a certain number of people play and at the end of the day means nothing. REAL pvp has lasting effects on guilds, factions, enviroment etc etc., battlegrounds only mean something in the time span it takes to finish it and then means nothing. WoW pvp is no different than Guild Wars the same game most people (WoW people) don't even consider a MMO. The pve and pvp in WoW are for the most part independent of each other and that's not how its suppose to be in a TRUE pvp game. WAR and AOC are not built that way if anything the PVE supports the PVP effort and that they way it needs to be. Even if they did make the siege in the xpac world pvp I don't expect it to be worth anything cause we all know the moment you get to many players in WoW together it will either lag you to death or cause the server to crash. And most likely it will only be in that new territory and will have no effect on the current terrority in game right now.
But keep the post coming I need to burn some time while at work
Just so you know, and to stop the speculation, easy to find this info if you bother looking. search you tube for "blizzcon" videos.ROFL Battlegrounds LOL LOL.... you really consider that PVP lol. Is it is pvp by definition yes. Is it pvp that most us know and love by people who have played other games no. The battlegrounds are a joke and have been for years hell look at AV in its current condition. That has been going on for how long now? The heart of any real pvp is siege and even though blizzard said that its coming in the xpac is it going to be world pvp or yet another battleground that you can only have a certain number of people play and at the end of the day means nothing. REAL pvp has lasting effects on guilds, factions, enviroment etc etc., battlegrounds only mean something in the time span it takes to finish it and then means nothing. WoW pvp is no different than Guild Wars the same game most people (WoW people) don't even consider a MMO. The pve and pvp in WoW are for the most part independent of each other and that's not how its suppose to be in a TRUE pvp game. WAR and AOC are not built that way if anything the PVE supports the PVP effort and that they way it needs to be. Even if they did make the siege in the xpac world pvp I don't expect it to be worth anything cause we all know the moment you get to many players in WoW together it will either lag you to death or cause the server to crash. And most likely it will only be in that new territory and will have no effect on the current terrority in game right now.
But keep the post coming I need to burn some time while at work
Just so you know, and to stop the speculation, easy to find this info if you bother looking. search you tube for "blizzcon" videos.The RVR zones sounds like they could be interesting. Guild has the potential to be if most the guilds in WoW didn't suck so bad. I know in my old guild when I played I don't trust them to be capable to PVP against another guild to save their own lives. Exactly what effect on Northrend will it have? Please don't tell me it will give you another buff..
Welcome to world of warcraft. Always seeking to make people who are either mediocre to terrible feel like they are good at the game. It is their whole strategy along with letting Chinese people play for next to nothing with free xpacs.
They earn much less in china which is why they appear to pay less, the average person in china earns $632/month ( Link ) the average American earns $3666/month ( Link ).
lets do some math based an average incomes above
An American pay $15 a month thats 0.4% of his monthly income.
A china player pays about 4 cent/hour, lets say he plays 80 hours a month, thats about $3.20 or 0.5% of his monthly income
So you see we pay about the same, but in most cases pay more in china... we got it good. So no more bull crap about them paying less. its not true.
Yeah they get the expansion free 8 months after we get for $40 (thats 1 good Friday night out). Why not move to china if it upsets you so much.. send me a post card form your Nike sweat shop your working in for 80 hours a week
All anti-blizzard stuff aside, I think there are some realistic reasons why people are apprehensive about the new expansion.
First off, although the Hero Classes that were promised at release were announced, the implimentation is a question. Do you force people to grind to 80 now before they can even start? Does it change your existing character or does it "unlock" the Hero Class that you then create and play from level 1?
No new basic classes or new races (so far). So then replay value is practically nil. TBC forced players to start over at level 1 when they made their blood elf or draenei, with new starter content.
Loot progression is a big question mark. TBC was terribly imbalanced for loots. Simple green drops in Hellfire were comparable to Teir 1 raid gear. Once someone hit 58, they could gear up with blues/greens in Hellfire alone and by 60 would be pretty much equal gear-wise to a 60 with full pvp epics or tier 1/2. Many worry that all the work they are doing in the Black Temple will now be made wasted by the first green drop in Northrend.
However, it is early announcement so as more info comes out I'm sure we will get a better idea as to what this expansion will and will not deliver.
Too Little...Too Late.
They already drove most of us away. I mean, back in the day when I was younger playing EQ yeah I devoted more time to it. I can't have a stable life and play WoW effectively...it just isnt possible. If I spent all the time needed to get DKP I would be divorced and living in a trash can. Most of us who grew up with Blizzard just can't understand why they would write off their fans. We arn't children anymore. If you started playing Warcraft when the original released, chances are you are too old now to be able to be playing 12 hours a day. Most of us can't be raiders anymore...we have lives. Take that into consideration. Those of us with families and full time jobs. WoW is nothing but raiding and whining over gear anyway. I know anyone here who is in a raiding guild can say they had at least one person quit the guild over loot. Stop the raid based content, give us meaningful pvp and the ability to make progress on our characters playing a short while each night without having to mark a calendar, and attend a raid like its being at work all over again.
Who wants to get off work to come home to have to be online at the right time and right place to get into the raid for the chance to maybe get gear. One job is enough for me.
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All of this reasons are just stupid.
First i didnt say anything about Blizz...i dont care...while you all reading and posting on this forum you use Microsoft windows (90% of users do), and we all know what kind of crap microsoft is...but thats not the point.
DKP...who use DKP? What sistem of DKP did your guild use? There are new better ways of "biding" for loot than usual DKP stuff. How much time do you need to spend in WoW depends on how good you wana be. Like i saied before, i was in best alliance riding guild and i played 4 hrs a day when we had raids, and not every day but only 3-4 times a week. We managed to clear good part of Naxx before TBC was released. Fcourse that if you want to clear all instances in 1 week you need to play 24 hours. Karazhan can be cleared in 7 hrs...will you clear it in one day?!? or 3 days?!? or 5 maybe?!? So you see...its not really that much "time taking" thing...it is if and only if you want it to be!
I have life, i work my 9 hrs every day, i work out in gym 3x a week, and i run about 6 km at least twice a week + i have good social relationships and i play wow every day so dont tell me about how much time it takes...
With some changes they made in PvP and in PvE it can be realised they are going that "more casual" way and by the way they are making stuff for "pro raiders" and fanatics who are only about serverfirsts. After all Blizz did say they will release new expansion every year so basicy every year your previous year effort will drop in water (if you look at it that way) or you can just have fun.
DKP - giving loot to people was hard, even harder when you consider there is 40 people in raid. But with 10 and 25 ppl there is much easyer decision how to spread loot to members. Second thing about raiding and getting l00t is about guilds itself. If you are in guild that respect you, if you are with your friends and if you contribute to your guild prosperity you will get loot because they know you need it cause if you are (example) main tank and they dont gear you up...they wont see new instances very soon...So sooner or later you will get your gear. Since there is no much people in raid, 10 man raids come down to 2 tanks, from wich one can be druid or pala only you as warrior roll or bid on armor. Same thing is with all other classes. Its different than when you had 40 ppl to bid over some item.
PvP - rewards are easyer to get. With cross realm BG-s queue time is about 1-10 minutes, Arenas queues are under 1 min. So you can PvP all day long. Like i said before, i collected basic PvP set in one week. arena gear is a bit harder to get but...what means it can be done in 1 week...but maybe 1 month.
And yea, i consider BGs ONE part of PvP in WoW. you can do that OR arenas OR world PvP. I really dont see much difference from Blizz PvP than in some other games like Eve online where some pirate wants to gank you when you jump trough gate...same as when tauren jump from bushes to punch your character in face. Fact is allso that some things are missing, yea, but i wouldnt call it BAD PvP...
And for end...show me one game where you put all players (or much players) togeather that doesnt lag? I saw it in Eve online, i saw it in space cowboy and all other games i played.
My server (stormrage) crashed maybe once in 2 years how long im playing on it. they dont even restart them any more...you can just play on and on without stoping.
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They do nothing new and they repeatedly unbalance the game by itemization / talents.
Go play an MMO that was forced to balance their classes that must be diverse in both PvP/PvE (DAoC / CoH / CoV).
Blizzard has no idea how to maintain this game anymore. The expansion will be more of what we already have seen. Hell, they don't even know how to redo boss enounters.
Do yourself a favor and save yourself the monthly fee for a game that is worth while and dev's respond / listen / reply!!!
Retired Max LvL and Raiding for - EQ - DAoC - Dungeon Runners - WoW - LoTR:Online - GW/All Expansions - CoH/V - SWG *** Currently Playing EQ2 *** Awaiting - PoTBS!
Wrath of LIch king is blizzards attempt to add depth to a very shallow game. Cracks me up, oh the death knight class hmmm that is strangly similar to the shadowknight from everquest2.
Lets just look at some of the things I have noticed having played both games.
And just to clear any confusion I still play both and I think WoW isn't a "Bad" game it just lacks any depth.
Eq2 was built around pve and it is the best in class for that, raids etc you name it.
WoW was built with pvp in mind and it does a much better job of making pvp accessible to the masses. (eq2 pvp can be brutal)
Wow is stagnant, yea they may add a high end dungeon here and there but it was what 2+ years before TBC came out.
Eq2 has had 3 expansions with a 4th one coming in november and 3 adventure packs. This year they added a whole new city and race and 1-20 starting zone for free, as well as a new high end raid zone and a high in group dungeon all for free. They have moved from a $5 adventure pack model to free content injections about every other month. Some people complain that eq2 is too group based, yea that was true in 2004-2005 but they have made the game MUCH more solo friendly and just last week they changed even more of the mobs in the outside zones to solo mobs instead of "elite". So someone starting the game will have no problems soloing up to 60 or 70 if they choose. Most people once they pley will find that groups aren't that bad like they are in wow, people actually work together and it is not every man for himself like most wow groups tend to be. (yes there are some exceptions)
Just a few of the things you can do in eq2 that you can't in wow: Fight from your mounts, player housing, first of the year 2008 they are adding guild islands so your guild can have it's own city/island with hundreds of rooms for players to setup their house. (For those who don't know you use your house as an Action house people can come to your house and buy your stuff you have for sale)
You can jump from griffons, so if you are flying some place and you want to jump off halfway over the water or when the griffon gets low enough to the ground so you don't die (or if you are one of the two races that can glide).
Maps are vertical as well, some places you have to climb walls to get to different areas.
All healers Can rez during battle, one thing I hate in wow if I die during fight I think only a few healers (druids i think) can rez before the fight is over. All healers can also summon a revive feather, essence or whatever to your bag so if all your healers die someone else in the group can revive them after combat is over.
I see one reason people may get bored with wow is the lack of classes, the 8 or so wow classes can get old quick, with eq2 you have 24 to choose from and you have 100 "talent" points you can gain to further customize your character.
The lvl 65-70 dungeons that drop the Class specific armor sets will ONLY drop items that someone in your group can wear and if someone in your group already has that item in their bags or bank or on them it will not drop that particular one. So say you go into Crypt of Valdoon which drops forearm set piece, everyone except the warlock has already got their forearm, then there is a 100% chance to drop the warlock forearm. Same thing with the Echoes of Faydwer raid zones, the higher end set items (think purple) drop according to what the people in your raid have already received. This is such a nice feature when you are trying to gear up your raid force or whatever.
No corpse runs in eq2, when you die you either get rezzed by someone in your group or you revive back at the safe area for the dungeon or zone you are in, rebuff and get right back to it (60 sec revive sickness).
The mod community for eq2 is amazing, two personal favorites are eq2maps and ProfitReborn UI Eq2maps adds POI (points of interest) dots to your map for stuff like where named mobs can be found or where quest updates are as well as user created maps for dungeons that don't come with default maps. Profit UI in addition to providing a TON of info about your spell crit rate melee crit rate etc and how much power/health you regen during or after fights it adds a hyperlink to the quest journal that you can click and it will pull up the current quest on eq2.wikia.com if you are not sure what to do next for that quest.
Guilds actually mean something in eq2, when you create a guild it is level 1, there several different things you can do to give your guild XP that I will not go into detail. Once your guild reaches level 10-20-30-40 and 60 you can gain access to bigger houses faster mounts, a mailbox for inside your house and a ton of other things. So most eq2 guilds are alot better at working together and helping everyone out. (i know there are some wow guilds like this) This also brings up the point that 90% of the eq2 players (not counting pvp) are mature players, you won't see ROFLCOPTER over and over in chat.
The high end raid dungeons don't require everyone to be "keyed" alot do not require any pre-requisite but the ones that do only ONE person has to have completed the "key" or access quest to get everyone else into the zone.
Graphics are mind blowing in eq2 especially in the new continent, character models and armor are awesome. Wow character models are the worst thing I have EVER seen, I mean the fingers on my dwarf look like loaf's of bread stuck on his arm, same thing with the human the fingers are the size that their arm SHOULD be. Don't get me wrong the graphics of the world etc look ok for that style and everyone likes a different style but I just think they could do alot better. Maybe the 10-16 yr old population it was targeted at prefers that look.
You can also do collection quests, basically at random places in any of the zones there are these shiny things you can see from a long way off that have a ? above them and if you harvest it you get some random item and if you right click it you can start a new collection quest to get the rest of the items of that set. When you complete a collection you go talk to the collection person in your home city and he will give you your reward. Collection quests give alot of adventure XP and will give you more xp towards your 100 AA "talent points". Some of the rewards are pretty awesome. They can range from Stuff to put in your house, to a rare stone that you can sell for 100g or so or my favorite are the ones that give you a nice earring or neck item etc. One of the better mage earrings for a lvl 70 is a reward from a collection quest.
If you have say a level 10 character but all your friends have 70s they can still group with you and mentor down to your level and you receive bonus Xp from them and they still get a small amount of xp too.
Leveling in eq2 in my experience is much less of a grind than in wow, you start out with 100% rest xp or "vitality" and unless you ding 3-4 times in one night you usually will not run out of double xp. Leveling 1-20 in 1 nite is easy if you run around in a group. Or 1-20 in 2 nights if solo.
As far as getting groups or people to help with harder stuff I rarely have problems getting groups at any level range to do stuff. In wow on the otherhand getting a group can take forever if you aren't doing the top end 70 stuff that everyone wants to do.
Crafting in eq2 is soo much more fun than wow, wow yea all you have to do is get the mats and click create and hope you have the bag space. Eq2 you have to press buttons to craft but you don't have to get nearly as much materials to level up. You gain levels from 1-70 just like adventuring instead of point by point basis. (the exception is transmuting aka enchanting or tinkering aka engineering)
Crafting professions are: Alchemist(potions and figher spells), Sage(makes mage/healer spells), jeweler(can make scout spells), Armorer, weaponsmith, tailorer, carpenter (armor repair kits and furniture), woodworker(makes bows, arrows, wands etc), provisioner(makes food/drink)
No login que EVER, only 2 or 3 times in 3yrs can i remember server lag, the regular weekly updates are tuesday morning and last for typically 1-1.5hrs downtime. (I will give wow credit they have seemed to fix the login que issue and server lag has gotten alot better in the old zones, the outland still has issues sometimes.)
Those are just a few of the things I can think of off the top of my head. From my viewpoint of playing eq2 from day one and wow only since last summer, wow has been trying to keep up with the progress eq2 has made but have fallen far behind and it is hurting them. Almost every day in eq2 I meet someone new that used to play wow but then went to VG>LOTRO then came to eq2. I will be the first to admit eq2 was very clunky and had some issues in the beginning compaired to wow but you CANNOT compair eq2 back then to the current eq2 as it is completely different. The developers actually listen to the players and continually make changes to improve the game experience.
I think Wrath of the Lich King will be fun for 2-3months like TBC was for alot of people then they will be bored again. It is a step in the right direction for blizzard but for me anyways it can't compete with the polished ever improving eq2.