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Why no Hellgate: London section yet?
mrmeloni
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Hellgate: London is as much as MMORPG as Guildwars is and Guildwas is listed here. The Hellgate devs even refer to Hellgate: London as an MMORPG - so why no mention of Hellgate: London on this website?
Hellgate: London offical release date is October 31st for US, November 2nd for Europe.
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I'd have mentioned Phantasy Star Universe instead since Guildwars has no offline mode.
They need to check out the Firefly MMORPG sometime too....
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Cause it's not a mmorpg.
wrong - hellgate london is actually a free and subs based (players choice) mmo with a offline feature too!
this site could do with a hellgate section as its going to be massive
Funny enough there have been alot of discussion if GW should be on this site too....
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It all sucked.
I don't think guildwars should be on it personally, it's an multiplayer game with online capability, it's not like an MMORPG where it's in constant development or anything.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
It is set up like a cross between Diablo II and Guild Wars. Neither one is an mmorpg, and neither one should be here. Just because one slipped in, doesn't mean we have to open the floodgates for the rest. Hell, I bet you would argue Halo and Counterstrike are mmo too, huh?
erm nope
If Guild Wars is on there, Hellgate London should be too.
Hellgate isn't going to be any more MMO than Diablo was or Counter-Strike is. Guild Wars is a lot closer because it has cities that anyone can go to at any time, even if all the real game play is instanced. From all I can tell Hellgate is going to be just a bunch of individual games... More like Counter-Strike than Guild Wars in that sense.
Please, go on.
MMO games played or tested: EQ, DAoC, Archlord, Auto Assault, CoH, CoV, EQ2, EVE, Guild Wars, Hellgate: London, Linneage II, LOTRO, MxO, Planetside, SWG, Sword of the New World, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard, WWIIOL, WOW, Age of Conan
It's not a MMO and it wasn't designed to be a MMO. It's just a market stunt they have thought up because it's just cool to be a MMO.
wrong - Hellgate london is actually a free and subs based (player choise) online game with an offline feature too!
Even when online the most people in a hub with you at one time is around 90. This, by definition, makes it decidedly NOT 'massive.' It's an online RPG with some persistent qualities. But it's not an MMORPG.
I hate to mention this but you won't find a zone in Everquest right now with 90 people in it. So I guess we can strike it off the list too.
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wrong - Hellgate london is actually a free and subs based (player choise) online game with an offline feature too!
Even when online the most people in a hub with you at one time is around 90. This, by definition, makes it decidedly NOT 'massive.' It's an online RPG with some persistent qualities. But it's not an MMORPG.
I hate to mention this but you won't find a zone in Everquest right now with 90 people in it. So I guess we can strike it off the list too.
In that case then the only true mmorpgs i've played with 90+ people in the same zone as me is EVE Online with 1200 people in the same zone as me and WOW in TBC areas.
guild wars is the almost true mmorpg.. why? it has got international servers that lets you play with your mates no matter where in the world they are. I.e. I am here playing in uk and most of the time i play with my mates in south east asia.... now that is true mmo. Unlike WoW or that crap... oh north america only, oh europe only server, oh china only server... WTF???
A lot of people are bashing "not all maps in GW have a massive amount of players" yeah that is true, but its just like a lot other mmorpgs with different zones/servers... there are only that many people at one time in a certain place. The creators of guildwars are clever, to make it free to play they try to create a game that doesnt hog bandwidth to save on running costs instead as by statistics most people meet up on towns and so thats where all their bandwidth is dedicated. Pretty clever imo, and its massive.. again because towns are considerably persistent.
Now comes hellgate london, I should say that it is very much similar to GW with outposts and such. Plus I do think that they might allow international servers where everybody in the world can meet up. Again unlike other mmorpgs that are restricted to one continent. People are already bashing it when they havent have had a feel for it yet. But for me, any game that have a specific set of servers in which a large number of players can access is an mmo. (remember in cs there is no specific number of servers as it continually changes because peopl rent some stops renting others starts renting and such)
i~ku~ra
no, GW is not a true MMORPG, cause its not a massive multiplayer online roleplaying game.
Not even the GW developers refers to GW as a "MMORPG"
Plain and simple:
500 or more simultaneous players in one world. <<<<<<<< Key requirement. This means every server must support at least 500 people playing and interacting together at one time.- The game must include some form of graphical common area. This distinction means Diablo II is not considered an MMORPG, while Guild Wars is.
It must be graphical...so no text based MUDs.Persistent characters.
Some form of character advancement.
It must use a true client/server connection. In other words, no HTML or "web" based games. Games that run in a browser using Java are OK.
Five or more screenshots from inside of the game engine itself.
A professional web site free of annoying pop-up ads or Spyware programs and access to some kind of support system.
Must fully support English. This means the client interface, in-game chat, help system and support website must all be in English
From the requirements for posting on this site.^^^^^^^^^^
As far as Guild Wars, if it doesn't allow for 500 people to be in that "graphical area" at once, then I think it should be removed, since that graphical area is the only place for everyone to be able to meet.
Now, everyone look at those rules. If Hellgate meets those requirements, then fine.If not, then the case of why Hellgate was not added is closed.
Did I say anything about "wtf is this all about why is hellgate not here" I am merely trying to say that IN MY BELIEF it is an mmorpg. I have no issues regarding hellgate being listed on here or not at all - all im trying to point out is that people define mmo in different ways. You dont need to bash me "oh go read the rules you stupid idiot!" because I did, and thats why im not whining about hellgate not being here.
Youre treating it as if these rules are by an all knowing almighty person from some kind of society who sets all the rules and has to be followed by the gaming market. In fact it was companies who started saying our game is massive... are there specific sets of guidelines like standards that are implemented and are effective around the world? No. In fact it is very vauge and please dont point me on to a wikipedia article. Its vague as shit...
large number of players... what is it that defines large? 50?100?
persistent world... what does that actually mean??? constant, continuing, durable, enduring, eternal, everlasting, fast, indestructible, lasting, permanent, persistent, persisting, steadfast, steady, unchanging..
Until we get a proper organisation that sets all the regulations for on line games and categorize it properly in a very tedious and technical manner, then the term mmo is open for interpretation and anyone who forces down their ideas as if it is set should be slapped in the face.
In the end we are all here for our own opinionated views and I am fully open to whatever criticism
i~ku~ra
If Guild Wars is on there, Hellgate London should be too.
No, I think they added GW's on before they really considered what their definition of a MMORPG was going to be, and its too much trouble to take it off at this point. Doesn't mean they have to add more games that don't fit meet the qualifiers they are currently using.
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It is not really a MMO, more like a diablo clone. You don't see a diablo section do you?
ic ic my apologies too for retaliating too fast
i~ku~ra
It has MMO ELEMENTS, but it's probably not being marketed as one as well.
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wrong - Hellgate london is actually a free and subs based (player choise) online game with an offline feature too!
Even when online the most people in a hub with you at one time is around 90. This, by definition, makes it decidedly NOT 'massive.' It's an online RPG with some persistent qualities. But it's not an MMORPG.
I hate to mention this but you won't find a zone in Everquest right now with 90 people in it. So I guess we can strike it off the list too.
In that case then the only true mmorpgs i've played with 90+ people in the same zone as me is EVE Online with 1200 people in the same zone as me and WOW in TBC areas.
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