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the forbidden but inevitable comparison: WAR vs. WoW
Swiftblade13
Member Posts: 638
Since half my WAR threads get derailed into this topic, here is a topic just for arguing about this. Comparing any new MMO to WoW is inevitable, comparing WAR to WOW is even less avoidable as it has many VERY strong similarities.
Just because you hate WoW doesnt mean you will hate WAR for its similarities... it is after all a very different game in some ways.
Similarities:
1) On a base level WAR plays exactly like WoW. If you have played WoW the learning curve in the first 10 minutes of play is ZERO.. you already know how to do everything. This is also true of LOTRO, every other mmo I've played had more differences in the interface.
2) The graphics are definitely reminiscent of WoW. It looks like WoW two. Character models are unique, the world looks like a much updated and higher detailed WoW. Yes, this is because Blizz ripped off Warhammers world may years ago.. yada yada yada.... it still bears comparison.
3) Combat feels like WoW. To me LOTRO combat and WoW combat feel pretty different..... I was told by someone who played the demo that WAR combat (as a newbie at least) feels EXACTLY like WoW combat... not like EQ2, not like DAOC.. like WoW.
4) WoW is immensely successful, and WAR will be (though probably not AS successful).
Differences:
1) WAR has much deeper lore.
2) WAR is PvP-centric and focuses on RvR.
3) WAR PvP will be meaningful and probably require more skill.
4) WAR includes innovative new ideas not found in any other MMO such as public quests.
5) WAR will borrow many successful features and ideas from DAOC.
6) WAR's art style is slightly less cartoony and more fantastic.
7) WAR's humor is more british.
flame away
Grymm
MMO addict in recovery!
EQ,SWG preCU,L2,EQ2,GW,CoH/CoV,V:SOH,
Aion,AoC,TR,WAR,EVE,BP,RIFT,WoW and others... no more!
Comments
Here is something I saw in a previous thread about this same subject that I think will help nip a few issues in the bud.
http://www.greycouncil.org/
are you saying there's humor in WoW?
anyways, I liked the feel of WoW (like movement, combat etc) better then most I've played so I dont mind WAR being similar in that regard.
Oh god no...
I've tended to just ignore all of these threads... But I suppose I'll say something this time before others start the flamefest. What would be so bad about this being a WoW 2? Of course it's not WoW 2, but it has everything in it (or so most of you say) that WoW lacks. Who cares? WoW took everything before it and made it easier to do and more standard. This is just the next logical step. Kudos to WAR for getting out there and doing it before Blizzard did it in some sort of xpack. Stop bickering about computer games. You like a game over the other? That's fine, but others don't share the same view, so why try to force everyone to like what you like? I might as well flame you for liking the color blue because I "know" that orange is much better.
WAR, created by the Mythic development team which brought us DAOC, the most highly acclaimed RvR game ever released.
WoW, created by Blizzard entertainment which has done jack squat in MMO history.
If thats not the biggest difference i don't know what is.
Except create history, and forever change it. Honestly man?
just take a look at american funniest home videos, enough sayd!
Actually I agree.. I never said that any of these similiarties are a bad thing.. but I was posting what I felt were facts and not personal opinion..... I'm glad they took so much inspiration from WoW..... they copied all the things I love about wow.. and added a couple of things WoW is missing.... sounds like a winner to me!
Grymm
MMO addict in recovery!
EQ,SWG preCU,L2,EQ2,GW,CoH/CoV,V:SOH,
Aion,AoC,TR,WAR,EVE,BP,RIFT,WoW and others... no more!
I don't really see a reason to flame this its all true [more or less] And unlike others you don't end this type of post with how war is a ripoff etc.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
/agree
Actually I agree.. I never said that any of these similiarties are a bad thing.. but I was posting what I felt were facts and not personal opinion..... I'm glad they took so much inspiration from WoW..... they copied all the things I love about wow.. and added a couple of things WoW is missing.... sounds like a winner to me!
such as PvP from the beginning.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Another easy mode game... Developers need to realize that copying WoW won't make them money because WoW already has the market. To steal subscribers from WoW they need to do something different that WoW doesn't offer. I doubt WAR or LOTRO will be very successful. What we need is a Shadowbane 2 or something like that.
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I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
Tbh we wont know how good WAR is until we play so all this is just asumption based on PR.
Another easy mode game... Developers need to realize that copying WoW won't make them money because WoW already has the market. To steal subscribers from WoW they need to do something different that WoW doesn't offer. I doubt WAR or LOTRO will be very successful. What we need is a Shadowbane 2 or something like that.
Such as True PvP or Realm v Realm combat perhaps?
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Except create history, and forever change it. Honestly man?
"Create history and forever change it?" Nothing against WoW, but c'mon. Would you describe Britney Spears as forever changing history simply because she has sold millions of records? Not to minimize her achievements, but on an artistic, compelling level, she has a very limited range. Many people feel the same way about Blizzard. WoW introduced the MMORPG to a wide, mainstream audience which is a significant accomplishment within our little genre (MMORPGs) but if we look at the actual content of the game, there's nothing earth shattering there. A solid, well put-together game, IMHO, but what about WoW itself do you think will go down in the annals of MMORPG history besides turning the multiplayer, online RPG from a niche genre into a pop culture phenomenon? I've always argued that Blizzard is an amazing business model, but as developers they can be somewhat flat and unoriginal.
Are you seriously saying shadowbane is not easy mode?Another easy mode game... Developers need to realize that copying WoW won't make them money because WoW already has the market. To steal subscribers from WoW they need to do something different that WoW doesn't offer. I doubt WAR or LOTRO will be very successful. What we need is a Shadowbane 2 or something like that.
If you make the correct template in SB you can gank 99% of anyone you face. If you are more of a team player you make a template that has already been rehashed millions of times and tear up banes.
No SB does not bring anything hardcore to the MMO genre. It was an OK game that has fallen in disrepair.
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About all that can be said for WoW without any doubt is that i both introduced more people to online games and brought the Genre to the public's view.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
what made wow sutch a big sucsess.
- the raid whas just as mutch for cusual players as for continues players, most likly because of most dungeons and encounters are instanced instead of open world encounters.. with a auto-save future.. that made people able to do it over a longer time. and able to learn the strategy once, to save time..
- atmospheric level design
- character design that appeled to woman and kids!
but why on earth try to aim at the wow audience?.. how many people live on this planet, how many play games.
and how many of those does not play wow, because the game isnt there style of gameplay?
big sucsesses is a result of total failures, if you make something just for money and think of sucsess... than that can be compered as: you walking to the finest resturant you can find, just because you want to use the toilet!!
I started watching all the WAR videos on youtube and putting them in a playlist and I must say the more I watch the less I see any semblence of WoW in them. Lore between the two may have similarities but then again you can trace pretty much all of fantasy lore back to its root and find similarities with all of them.
i honestly hate these posts, but anyways why even compare games, does it really matter that much? i thought we all played games to have fun? we choose games that suit our playstyle, some people like hard games, some like easy games, some like everything...we used to base this all on "is this game fun for me" but all i see anymore is trash talk, we argue over these games like it was some gang we are in, its freaking stuiped honestly and i get caught up in it also.
There is nothing wrong with a company making an easy game, WOW is an easy game to play anyone can jump in and play it and have fun if its their type of game, i have fun with it, i like a game where things don't get to complicated, i have to do enough complicated, technical crap at my job that when i get home to relax i just want a game that doesnt require me to overwork my brain heh. WOW can get a lil more complicated with raiding and arena so if i honestly want something harder i usually do that stuff.
Just find a game and have fun with it, people hate on blizzard for no reason..they made a game for their fans in the style their universe has always had and there is nothing wrong with that....warhammer is building a game in their style for their fans and there is nothing wrong with that.
Well i wish you warhammer fans many many wonderful years in your favourite game world, just hope you can wish the same for the game world i play in
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
That's pretty debatable, but most WoW players don't know anything about Warcraft lore, nor care to. Those that do, know there is a TON of lore behind the world of Warcraft.
I used to debate the richness of Warcraft lore with a Tolkien-ite ( not that it had a richer story than Middle Earth but rather that it just had a rich storyline, he was avidly anti-wow ), however I don't really think in this case it is "pretty debatable" when in comparison to Warhammer lore. Not in terms of quantity.
That's pretty debatable, but most WoW players don't know anything about Warcraft lore, nor care to. Those that do, know there is a TON of lore behind the world of Warcraft.
It isn't debatable at all. Warhammer has more lore, more books, etc then Warcraft has. Plus it has more years of Lore being created then Warcraft does.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
That's pretty debatable, but most WoW players don't know anything about Warcraft lore, nor care to. Those that do, know there is a TON of lore behind the world of Warcraft.
Err OK you obviously never even looked at Warhammer [tabletop] so i forgive you for your mistake.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
Personally, I love how Mythic thinks when it comes to MMOs.. They're massively multiplayer for a reason, and that reason is to team up with massive amounts of players and/or go against massive amounts of players. The level grind that prevents a player from participating in the biggest multiplayer events should be kept to a stable, frustration-free minimum. I don't log onto a server with 8000 people on it to go kill 400 mobs with 4 other players. I log on that server to fight alongside or against as many of those players as possible. That's massively multiplayer.. Not 5 to 20-man raids that take hours to prepare for.. Those are just online.