AoC delayed - what will the trolls say now ?

Xris375

It is just so funny that the trolls crying vaporware because of two missed beta dates in here, now are running around in the AoC forums trying to excuse a second release delay with " they only need to polish the game a bit".

 

Jetrpg

Its not vapor but i question how fun/good it is. I basiclly read it as not preforming as promised atm , need more time to make it .. not sucky.  And i am happy that they did push it back to do this.

Xris375

Originally posted by Jetrpg


Its not vapor but i question how fun/good it is. I basiclly read it as not preforming as promised atm , need more time to make it .. not sucky.  And i am happy that they did push it back to do this.

The question must be who you place your trust in. I read it you haven't tried either AoC or DF, right ? Both just have screenshots, videos, hype, fanbois, haters and 3rd person opinions who may or may not have tried it. So how fun or boring both games are a subjetive thing and until you have tried them both, your opninion just offset mine as I belive DF will be fun.

Now, I have worked and talked with former and current employees of Funcom. So over the years I have formed an opinion on Funcom. Can we trust them not to lie ? I believe so.  Can we trust then not to spin in a bad situations to weight some truths over others ? Now this is when things are getting murky. A few years back Funcom where in the norwegian press because they were accused of exploit their staff . I know for a fact that situation was spun by the leadership of Funcom. Could they do so again ? I belive so if the pressure is high enough. And so would probably I if I were in their shoes as we are all just humans.

daarco

I always think its a good sign when develpers delay their games to make it better.

Just bad for us players that want to play it right away.

 Why should any MMO be released when its not done? Ohh yeah.....because people whine?

Decadentia

Ive been looking forward to Conan since I heard/seen anything about it. Ive been looking forward to it for so long, I don't know whether Id rather pay for it in October or let them finish it :P. I was looking forward to it that much. "Alright NHL 08 comes in September, that will tide me over until October". But [generic logic input] tells me its a good thing, better than a company that rushes it out the door to keep their funding going. At least it shows they have some leeway. But damn, im more disappointed than happy about it, whether its for the best be damned. This sucks.

Trolls can kiss my a$%, the game is for people who want to play it, not those who have nothing better to do than flame a game they have and will never play. You can apply that to any troll, Darkfall, AoC, anything.

ZeGerman1942

Originally posted by Xris375


 
Originally posted by Jetrpg


Its not vapor but i question how fun/good it is. I basiclly read it as not preforming as promised atm , need more time to make it .. not sucky.  And i am happy that they did push it back to do this.

The question must be who you place your trust in. I read it you haven't tried either AoC or DF, right ? Both just have screenshots, videos, hype, fanbois, haters and 3rd person opinions who may or may not have tried it. So how fun or boring both games are a subjetive thing and until you have tried them both, your opninion just offset mine as I belive DF will be fun.

 

Now, I have worked and talked with former and current employees of Funcom. So over the years I have formed an opinion on Funcom. Can we trust them not to lie ? I believe so.  Can we trust then not to spin in a bad situations to weight some truths over others ? Now this is when things are getting murky. A few years back Funcom where in the norwegian press because they were accused of exploit their staff . I know for a fact that situation was spun by the leadership of Funcom. Could they do so again ? I belive so if the pressure is high enough. And so would probably I if I were in their shoes as we are all just humans.

I don't really get your point to be honest. Why do we have to place our "trust" in a games development company at all?

The game is pushed out by 5 months. Big deal. It's not ready and Funcom knows it's not ready and rather than pull a Vanguard they give it more time (recent press releases suggest they got extra funding, which means they can avoid pulling a Vanguard). I don't see how this has anything to do with AoC being better or worse than DF and why you present it like that.

I also don't see how the credibility of Funcom, in particular to it's employees, has anything to do with this decission. Maybe they delayed the game because they did not want to exploit their employees? Ever thought of that? I am sure the wealth of sources you seem to have within Funcom is absolutly 100% trustworthy when it comes to their opinions?

I would go as far as say that your entire post is pretty much irrelvant and all you tried to do was get one over on the people who prefer AoC to DF.

Conan got delayed. Good for the game, good for the genre i say. Hopefully it's gonna be a good game when it releases. Hopefully DF is gonna be a good game. I won't play either i think, but i respect companies that can say "hey we are not ready",because far too many developers/publishers release too early.

daarco

Wait a sec!

Its seems that people have trouble to find things to speak about DF here.......and now we have begun to speak about AoC instead?

Fair enough!

 

Xris375

Originally posted by ZeGerman1942


 
Originally posted by Xris375


 


The question must be who you place your trust in. I read it you haven't tried either AoC or DF, right ? Both just have screenshots, videos, hype, fanbois, haters and 3rd person opinions who may or may not have tried it. So how fun or boring both games are a subjetive thing and until you have tried them both, your opninion just offset mine as I belive DF will be fun.
 
Now, I have worked and talked with former and current employees of Funcom. So over the years I have formed an opinion on Funcom. Can we trust them not to lie ? I believe so.  Can we trust then not to spin in a bad situations to weight some truths over others ? Now this is when things are getting murky. A few years back Funcom where in the norwegian press because they were accused of exploit their staff . I know for a fact that situation was spun by the leadership of Funcom. Could they do so again ? I belive so if the pressure is high enough. And so would probably I if I were in their shoes as we are all just humans.

I don't really get your point to be honest. Why do we have to place our "trust" in a games development company at all?

 

The game is pushed out by 5 months. Big deal. It's not ready and Funcom knows it's not ready and rather than pull a Vanguard they give it more time (recent press releases suggest they got extra funding, which means they can avoid pulling a Vanguard). I don't see how this has anything to do with AoC being better or worse than DF and why you present it like that.

I also don't see how the credibility of Funcom, in particular to it's employees, has anything to do with this decission. Maybe they delayed the game because they did not want to exploit their employees? Ever thought of that? I am sure the wealth of sources you seem to have within Funcom is absolutly 100% trustworthy when it comes to their opinions?

I would go as far as say that your entire post is pretty much irrelvant and all you tried to do was get one over on the people who prefer AoC to DF.

Conan got delayed. Good for the game, good for the genre i say. Hopefully it's gonna be a good game when it releases. Hopefully DF is gonna be a good game. I won't play either i think, but i respect companies that can say "hey we are not ready",because far too many developers/publishers release too early.

This thread is regards to the trolls that is running in this and other forums.  Some of the trolls that have been in here "attacking" DF, is now the defenders in AoC. Some of the problems they have had with DF is suddenly not a problem in AoC.  Its about hypocricy and arrogance. I guess if you have not been in here, it is a good thing you don't get the point

Don't get me wrong here! If Funcom delays it to make it better, more stable etc this is a good thing

 

 

ghoul31

At least  AOC is is beta, and people are playing it. Which means they have a playable game.

Darkfall is not is beta, which means they don't have a playable game. And who knows if there will ever be a playable game

See the difference?

 

 

 

Jetrpg

Originally posted by ghoul31


At least  AOC is is beta, and people are playing it. Which means they have a playable game.
Darkfall is not is beta, which means they don't have a playable game. And who knows if there will ever be a playable game
See the difference? 

I have to agree i rather missed the point of the OP, truth is i have seen a ton of in game and rl covrage of AoC... and 2-3 vids that are edited to hell and might very well be fake from DF....

There is no comparison becuase everyone here knows AoC is real they have seen it enough to know its a game. Will it be good or fun ?? Thats up in the air , the game could be playing rather boring/shitty (as this push back sighting beta people says out game suxs hints at... then agian it just could be buggy ass or something too,). In any case, Funcon said , ' well we need to do somethign about this' and delayed the game that we all know is real.

In the case of DF atm no know can say the game exists... becuase there is not a shred of conclusive evidence that it does.

So do i "See the difference?" , yeah i see the difference between using logical assestments and fanbooooy power.

Somnulus

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Originally posted by Jetrpg
Originally posted by ghoul31 At least AOC is is beta, and people are playing it. Which means they have a playable game.
Darkfall is not is beta, which means they don't have a playable game. And who knows if there will ever be a playable game
See the difference?

I have to agree i rather missed the point of the OP, truth is i have seen a ton of in game and rl covrage of AoC... and 2-3 vids that are edited to hell and might very well be fake from DF....
There is no comparison becuase everyone here knows AoC is real they have seen it enough to know its a game. Will it be good or fun ?? Thats up in the air , the game could be playing rather boring/shitty (as this push back sighting beta people says out game suxs hints at... then agian it just could be buggy ass or something too,). In any case, Funcon said , ' well we need to do somethign about this' and delayed the game that we all know is real.
In the case of DF atm no know can say the game exists... becuase there is not a shred of conclusive evidence that it does.
So do i "See the difference?" , yeah i see the difference between using logical assestments and fanbooooy power.

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Plus, at a minimum regardless of what individual opinions may be of the game, Funcom has already developed and released an MMO. So at a minimum, they have published a game. So there is no real comparison between the two games or their respective companies.

One is an established studio with a published product and the other is an untried small studio with, to the best of my knowledge, no previously published products.

I am not saying this makes Aventurine or Darkfall any more or less valid as a studio or a product. I am simply pointing out the fact that Aventurine is an unknown quantity, with no previously published products to base any evaluation on and no beta experience or play test reviews to illustrate their competence or lack thereof.

kwai

Well i dont care what the trolls say, a game takes the time it needs to be complete and ready for use.

Besides alot of other games have taken longer time in process of getting done.

Rather that the game takes abit longer to be complete and ready for launch than what happened to Vanguard

 

Atleast they have the budget to complete it.

atziluth

Originally posted by Xris375


It is just so funny that the trolls crying vaporware because of two missed beta dates in here, now are running around in the AoC forums trying to excuse a second release delay with " they only need to polish the game a bit".
 

Your right... the fact that AoC is in closed beta and has technical movies showing interface and combat mechanics clearly shows it is no better then DF.

Wait... DF has not had any of the things I just mentioned... oops!

I have to say out of all the fan boys for games out there DF got the short bus.

ASmith84

what are you talkin about? darkfall isnt aoc. you make no sense.

Xris375

Originally posted by Jetrpg


 
Originally posted by ghoul31


At least  AOC is is beta, and people are playing it. Which means they have a playable game.
Darkfall is not is beta, which means they don't have a playable game. And who knows if there will ever be a playable game
See the difference? 

I have to agree i rather missed the point of the OP, truth is i have seen a ton of in game and rl covrage of AoC... and 2-3 vids that are edited to hell and might very well be fake from DF....

 

There is no comparison becuase everyone here knows AoC is real they have seen it enough to know its a game. Will it be good or fun ?? Thats up in the air , the game could be playing rather boring/shitty (as this push back sighting beta people says out game suxs hints at... then agian it just could be buggy ass or something too,). In any case, Funcon said , ' well we need to do somethign about this' and delayed the game that we all know is real.

In the case of DF atm no know can say the game exists... becuase there is not a shred of conclusive evidence that it does.

So do i "See the difference?" , yeah i see the difference between using logical assestments and fanbooooy power.

Tasos say their software is ready for beta, that means their game in fact is playable "inhouse/internal wise" but has not run on the servers that is needed for a full beta yet. They are saying they will decide on the publishing question before they will move on.

So yeah there is a difference between knowing that a game is in a sorry state of beta and taking the devs word for it that their game is ready for beta. The first one is about facts and the second is about trust.

I think there is so much information on the Internet now, that we pretty much can assume DF exist. Why would they lie about that ? If they want to cheat people out of their money, there are more effective methods of doing that.

atziluth

Originally posted by Xris375


 
Tasos say their software is ready for beta, that means their game in fact is playable "inhouse/internal wise" but has not run on the servers that is needed for a full beta yet. They are saying they will decide on the publishing question before they will move on.
 
So yeah there is a difference between knowing that a game is in a sorry state of beta and taking the devs word for it that their game is ready for beta. The first one is about facts and the second is about trust.
I think there is so much information on the Internet now, that we pretty much can assume DF exist. Why would they lie about that ? If they want to cheat people out of their money, there are more effective methods of doing that.

Yup... DF claiming "beta coming soon" since 2005... I can see where your trust in them is well founded.

Jetrpg

 

Originally posted by Xris375


 
Originally posted by Jetrpg


 
Originally posted by ghoul31


At least  AOC is is beta, and people are playing it. Which means they have a playable game.
Darkfall is not is beta, which means they don't have a playable game. And who knows if there will ever be a playable game
See the difference? 

I have to agree i rather missed the point of the OP, truth is i have seen a ton of in game and rl covrage of AoC... and 2-3 vids that are edited to hell and might very well be fake from DF....

 

There is no comparison becuase everyone here knows AoC is real they have seen it enough to know its a game. Will it be good or fun ?? Thats up in the air , the game could be playing rather boring/shitty (as this push back sighting beta people says out game suxs hints at... then agian it just could be buggy ass or something too,). In any case, Funcon said , ' well we need to do somethign about this' and delayed the game that we all know is real.

In the case of DF atm no know can say the game exists... becuase there is not a shred of conclusive evidence that it does.

So do i "See the difference?" , yeah i see the difference between using logical assestments and fanbooooy power.

Tasos say their software is ready for beta, that means their game in fact is playable "inhouse/internal wise" but has not run on the servers that is needed for a full beta yet. They are saying they will decide on the publishing question before they will move on.

 

So yeah there is a difference between knowing that a game is in a sorry state of beta and taking the devs word for it that their game is ready for beta. The first one is about facts and the second is about trust.

I think there is so much information on the Internet now, that we pretty much can assume DF exist. Why would they lie about that ? If they want to cheat people out of their money, there are more effective methods of doing that.

Why don't you point me to this so much info... the only thing out there is 3 vids one of which looks like a two different game, and some poor SS's. Theres alot of talk but then agian if i posted everyday on a blog about the game im making ... even if i was just BSing, id have alot of "Info" ,but no really life in-game vids to show for it. This is the current case with DF, they have released nothing to show the game exists.  AoC has however, and so has WAr , and PotBS (a small co. with 70 staffers i mean even they can do more than Df has done and they have had less time.)

 

strongaxe

HELLO! Darkfall has not missed any beta dates.  They NEVER SET A DATE FOR BETA AS OF YET.  They put up clan beta signups, but gave no date so STFU about them not keeping dates because they havnt set one.  Oh and you cant compare AoC to Darkfall, might as well not even metion AoC on these forums becuase that game is so far removed from anything Darkfall is trying to do.  So ya I dont care when AoC is coming out its gunna be another level/item grind.  And the trolls on this forum only troll because they know DF is gunna steal alot of ppl from WAR and AoC once everyone figures out how terrible those games are.

atziluth

Originally posted by strongaxe
 And the trolls on this forum only troll because they know DF is gunna steal alot of ppl from WAR and AoC once everyone figures out how terrible those games are.

I think this is the funniest line today. Congrats... even the official DF hardcore fans know DF is not going to have a high subscription base... Did you just start following DF?

 

Thanks for the laugh though man.

strongaxe

Originally posted by atziluth


 
Originally posted by strongaxe
 And the trolls on this forum only troll because they know DF is gunna steal alot of ppl from WAR and AoC once everyone figures out how terrible those games are.

I think this is the funniest line today. Congrats... even the official DF hardcore fans know DF is not going to have a high subscription base... Did you just start following DF?

 

 

Thanks for the laugh though man.

Please tell me where I said or even implied DF isnt going to have a high subsciption base?  Grasp at thin air much? 

Xris375

Originally posted by atziluth


 
Originally posted by Xris375


It is just so funny that the trolls crying vaporware because of two missed beta dates in here, now are running around in the AoC forums trying to excuse a second release delay with " they only need to polish the game a bit".
 

Your right... the fact that AoC is in closed beta and has technical movies showing interface and combat mechanics clearly shows it is no better then DF.

 

Wait... DF has not had any of the things I just mentioned... oops!

I have to say out of all the fan boys for games out there DF got the short bus.

Um...I'm not comparing the games, I am making a statement about hypocricy and arrogance.

atziluth

Originally posted by Xris375


 
Originally posted by atziluth


 
Originally posted by Xris375


It is just so funny that the trolls crying vaporware because of two missed beta dates in here, now are running around in the AoC forums trying to excuse a second release delay with " they only need to polish the game a bit".
 

Your right... the fact that AoC is in closed beta and has technical movies showing interface and combat mechanics clearly shows it is no better then DF.

 

Wait... DF has not had any of the things I just mentioned... oops!

I have to say out of all the fan boys for games out there DF got the short bus.

Um...I'm not comparing the games, I am making a statement about hypocricy and arrogance.

 

How is it hypocrisy when the information available for both games varies so much.

If DF had more information about skills and mechanics along with a healthy beta... I would say the game was in good shape. It does not... it is being developed by a virgin small company with no publisher.

Can you at least open your eyes enough to recognize the difference?

atziluth

Originally posted by strongaxe

Originally posted by atziluth


 
Originally posted by strongaxe
 And the trolls on this forum only troll because they know DF is gunna steal alot of ppl from WAR and AoC once everyone figures out how terrible those games are.

I think this is the funniest line today. Congrats... even the official DF hardcore fans know DF is not going to have a high subscription base... Did you just start following DF?

 

 

Thanks for the laugh though man.

Please tell me where I said or even implied DF isnt going to have a high subsciption base?  Grasp at thin air much? 

Um... I am assuming you meant where you implied it WOULD have a high subscriber base. You did when you said DF will steal subscribers from other main stream games... the only way that will really happen is if it gets a large subscriber base or where you stating that DF would steal 100 people?

You did IMPLY it.

Xris375

 

Originally posted by Jetrpg


 
Why don't you point me to this so much info... the only thing out there is 3 vids one of which looks like a two different game, and some poor SS's. Theres alot of talk but then agian if i posted everyday on a blog about the game im making ... even if i was just BSing, id have alot of "Info" ,but no really life in-game vids to show for it. This is the current case with DF, they have released nothing to show the game exists.  AoC has however, and so has WAr , and PotBS (a small co. with 70 staffers i mean even they can do more than Df has done and they have had less time.)
 

Their 12 dev. journals on warcry (with screenshots and video), their homepage, the discussions boards etc makes me sure DF is real. That said it may be crappy and lacking half of the promised features.

atziluth

Originally posted by Xris375


 
 That said it may be crappy and lacking half of the promised features.

There just might be hope for you yet. This is exactly why I post on DF boards... All indicators point to the fact that it will be crappy and lacking many promised features. Great concept... bad implementation.

Xris375

Originally posted by atziluth


 
Originally posted by Xris375


 
Um...I'm not comparing the games, I am making a statement about hypocricy and arrogance.
 

How is it hypocrisy when the information available for both games varies so much.

 

If DF had more information about skills and mechanics along with a healthy beta... I would say the game was in good shape. It does not... it is being developed by a virgin small company with no publisher.

Can you at least open your eyes enough to recognize the difference?

It is hypocricy if you are ok with a releasedate being changed in a game you support but not ok with a lack of a beta date in a game you don't support. This was about dates not about what game was real or not. Can you at least keep to the subject ?