Hello, I am indeed relatively new to MMO's, I have only played Shadowbane for a day or two, WoW for two years, and lotro for a little bit, I was just wondering, everyone says the PvP in wow is boring, and the same for lotro, not neccisarily everyone, but a vast majority of the mmorpg.com population. I was wondering, what is different in games from WoW that make it fun, because I did find it fun for some time, besides the fact that it was really a grind, I thought the action was good along with the abilities, I have seen other games played, and videos but I just don't seem to get what is so special about it, could someone help me out here?
DAoc had the best pvp , it was also rather fun... There simply too much to discuss why it was, other than it was a effort of all three sides, not about honor or realm points often , but instead more about beating your enemies and taking their keeps/relics (Basiclly, like WoW has hoard and alleince , daoc had 3 sides but they WERE YOUR ENEMIES, not just an opposing side).
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I'm actually quite amazed at how civil this entire thread has been up to this point. It's kind of nice to be able to put forth an argument and have someone come along and attempt to disprove them in a mature and logical way. Either none of the trolls are interested in this topic or they are all huddled under some bridge and I personally wouldn't mind if this thread kept going as long as the civility stays.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
Oh rubbish. Azeroth PvP objectives might not be used as much as they used to be, but Outland PvP objectives are contested all the time. It's a constant battle. You call WoW PvP a joke yet you have admitted you don't know what other MMOs offer that WoW doesn't. And you also admitted you've had fun for 2 years. So now you're contradicting yourself by saying you had fun in 'joke PVP'. Pfft. Burn-out case right here.
I hate wow fanboys..
I have nothing against wow, still raiding with my priest but as far as pvp its a carebear game bottom line. You want good pvp you should try DaoC
Objectives , Rewards, and Penalties . These make PvP fun imo, you need atleast 2 of these to make PvP Work, older games like EQ , UO worked on Rewards and Penalties , if you kill you take if you die you lose, simple but effective to make PvP competitive. DAOC and Shadowbane worked on all 3 which is why in most part people bring them up so much in regards to good pvp, Objective, take the enemy keeps, reward items / realm points / bragging rights , penalties lose items / lose keeps / lose realm bonuses / ect ect.
WoW only has 1, Rewards, there is no objective, there is no penalties, all you do is kill and die and be rewarded for it no matter how good or bad you are, this makes PvP boring. Theres no competition if you have no point to strive for and no fear of death or loss.
Brilliant!
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now! I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
Oh rubbish. Azeroth PvP objectives might not be used as much as they used to be, but Outland PvP objectives are contested all the time. It's a constant battle. You call WoW PvP a joke yet you have admitted you don't know what other MMOs offer that WoW doesn't. And you also admitted you've had fun for 2 years. So now you're contradicting yourself by saying you had fun in 'joke PVP'. Pfft. Burn-out case right here.
I hate wow fanboys..
I have nothing against wow, still raiding with my priest but as far as pvp its a carebear game bottom line. You want good pvp you should try DaoC
I might be a WoW fanboy under your criteria, and DaoC may indeed be a very good PvP game. I am simply arguing some of the points posters have made about my precious.
My ppreeeeccciiioouussss...
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Objectives , Rewards, and Penalties . These make PvP fun imo, you need atleast 2 of these to make PvP Work, older games like EQ , UO worked on Rewards and Penalties , if you kill you take if you die you lose, simple but effective to make PvP competitive. DAOC and Shadowbane worked on all 3 which is why in most part people bring them up so much in regards to good pvp, Objective, take the enemy keeps, reward items / realm points / bragging rights , penalties lose items / lose keeps / lose realm bonuses / ect ect.
WoW only has 1, Rewards, there is no objective, there is no penalties, all you do is kill and die and be rewarded for it no matter how good or bad you are, this makes PvP boring. Theres no competition if you have no point to strive for and no fear of death or loss.
Exactly! Kudos to you! When there are only rewards, that is incentive for a competition, and not a friendly one. And to win a competition, you have to work, work, work. I only PvP'd casually and enjoyed it immensly, I developed my own playstyle and explored it, never got burned out from PvPing in WoW, not once.
Objectives , Rewards, and Penalties . These make PvP fun imo, you need atleast 2 of these to make PvP Work, older games like EQ , UO worked on Rewards and Penalties , if you kill you take if you die you lose, simple but effective to make PvP competitive. DAOC and Shadowbane worked on all 3 which is why in most part people bring them up so much in regards to good pvp, Objective, take the enemy keeps, reward items / realm points / bragging rights , penalties lose items / lose keeps / lose realm bonuses / ect ect.
WoW only has 1, Rewards, there is no objective, there is no penalties, all you do is kill and die and be rewarded for it no matter how good or bad you are, this makes PvP boring. Theres no competition if you have no point to strive for and no fear of death or loss.
Exactly! Kudos to you! When there are only rewards, that is incentive for a competition, and not a friendly one. And to win a competition, you have to work, work, work. I only PvP'd casually and enjoyed it immensly, I developed my own playstyle and explored it, never got burned out from PvPing in WoW, not once.
I agree with you. WoW does not need all 3 for its PvP to be fun. WoW redefined the meaning of PvP by creating extremely fun PvP that cannot be found in other games.
Objectives , Rewards, and Penalties . These make PvP fun imo, you need atleast 2 of these to make PvP Work, older games like EQ , UO worked on Rewards and Penalties , if you kill you take if you die you lose, simple but effective to make PvP competitive. DAOC and Shadowbane worked on all 3 which is why in most part people bring them up so much in regards to good pvp, Objective, take the enemy keeps, reward items / realm points / bragging rights , penalties lose items / lose keeps / lose realm bonuses / ect ect.
WoW only has 1, Rewards, there is no objective, there is no penalties, all you do is kill and die and be rewarded for it no matter how good or bad you are, this makes PvP boring. Theres no competition if you have no point to strive for and no fear of death or loss.
Exactly! Kudos to you! When there are only rewards, that is incentive for a competition, and not a friendly one. And to win a competition, you have to work, work, work. I only PvP'd casually and enjoyed it immensly, I developed my own playstyle and explored it, never got burned out from PvPing in WoW, not once.
The problem is thats EVERYONE is rewarded, you don't even have to particpate to benefit. Even the losing team gains points and/or marks. You can have an unbelieveable bad arena rating and still gain points for your arena gear, you never have to win, just particpate. Thats the problem, I can sit afk in AV for a couple weeks with simple macros that make my toon jump every 3 min and earn enough honor for my HWL set.. without EVER even particpating. WoW pvp only rewards, and they reward you whether your good or bad, playing or not.
When you have to win or accompish things in order to earn these rewards, then you will see real competition.. when you don't earn honor/ marks if you lose the BG, if you don't earn arena points for the week without an over fifty winning percentage.
Atm BGs are a joke, AV isn't even considered pvp... and Arena = Free Epics... Just play 10 games a week, win lose or draw.. you get your gear
If you honestly like it because you enjoy it, thats great... But wow is nowhere near the best game in terms of competitive pvp. And im not a fanboy of any 1 game, My main in wow is Soultwister.. 70 UD priest, Eitrigg.. feel free to Armory me, pvp however, is lame when even the worst pvper in history is rewarded regardless of performace. Maybe thats why so many people love it, damn carebears
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DAoc had the best pvp , it was also rather fun... There simply too much to discuss why it was, other than it was a effort of all three sides, not about honor or realm points often , but instead more about beating your enemies and taking their keeps/relics (Basiclly, like WoW has hoard and alleince , daoc had 3 sides but they WERE YOUR ENEMIES, not just an opposing side).
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Quit trying to kill my fun you killjoy
Hehe, I'm kidding.
I'm actually quite amazed at how civil this entire thread has been up to this point. It's kind of nice to be able to put forth an argument and have someone come along and attempt to disprove them in a mature and logical way. Either none of the trolls are interested in this topic or they are all huddled under some bridge
and I personally wouldn't mind if this thread kept going as long as the civility stays.
No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-
I have nothing against wow, still raiding with my priest but as far as pvp its a carebear game bottom line. You want good pvp you should try DaoC
Brilliant!
Are you a Pavlovian Fish Biscuit Addict? Get Help Now!
I will play no more MMORPGs until somethign good comes out!
I have nothing against wow, still raiding with my priest but as far as pvp its a carebear game bottom line. You want good pvp you should try DaoC
I might be a WoW fanboy under your criteria, and DaoC may indeed be a very good PvP game. I am simply arguing some of the points posters have made about my precious.My ppreeeeccciiioouussss...
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Exactly! Kudos to you! When there are only rewards, that is incentive for a competition, and not a friendly one. And to win a competition, you have to work, work, work. I only PvP'd casually and enjoyed it immensly, I developed my own playstyle and explored it, never got burned out from PvPing in WoW, not once.
Exactly! Kudos to you! When there are only rewards, that is incentive for a competition, and not a friendly one. And to win a competition, you have to work, work, work. I only PvP'd casually and enjoyed it immensly, I developed my own playstyle and explored it, never got burned out from PvPing in WoW, not once.
I agree with you. WoW does not need all 3 for its PvP to be fun. WoW redefined the meaning of PvP by creating extremely fun PvP that cannot be found in other games.
Exactly! Kudos to you! When there are only rewards, that is incentive for a competition, and not a friendly one. And to win a competition, you have to work, work, work. I only PvP'd casually and enjoyed it immensly, I developed my own playstyle and explored it, never got burned out from PvPing in WoW, not once.
The problem is thats EVERYONE is rewarded, you don't even have to particpate to benefit. Even the losing team gains points and/or marks. You can have an unbelieveable bad arena rating and still gain points for your arena gear, you never have to win, just particpate. Thats the problem, I can sit afk in AV for a couple weeks with simple macros that make my toon jump every 3 min and earn enough honor for my HWL set.. without EVER even particpating. WoW pvp only rewards, and they reward you whether your good or bad, playing or not.
When you have to win or accompish things in order to earn these rewards, then you will see real competition.. when you don't earn honor/ marks if you lose the BG, if you don't earn arena points for the week without an over fifty winning percentage.
Atm BGs are a joke, AV isn't even considered pvp... and Arena = Free Epics... Just play 10 games a week, win lose or draw.. you get your gear
If you honestly like it because you enjoy it, thats great... But wow is nowhere near the best game in terms of competitive pvp. And im not a fanboy of any 1 game, My main in wow is Soultwister.. 70 UD priest, Eitrigg.. feel free to Armory me, pvp however, is lame when even the worst pvper in history is rewarded regardless of performace. Maybe thats why so many people love it, damn carebears