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The comming of WAR: how do you think it will change WoW?
tinhat
Member Posts: 12
Title says it all really. I'm posting this here because i'd like the opinion of WoW players more specifically than general MMO players.
Personally i can't wait for WAR as i like the idea of everyone having to start afresh and figuring out a new world. From my own experience of WoW there is a huge upwards grind that is very difficult to catch up with once you start to lag behind, this will discourage high end raiders from leaving. But i think PvPers will move to WAR because of their implemented PvP system, eg. quests putting you in direct conflict with the opposing faction.
So how do you think the launch of WAR will affect WoW? Do you think we'll see a large migration of subscribers? Are you going to play WAR?
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Competition is always a good thing. And WoW doesn't really have any serious competition at the moment, and despite what some may claim, WAR will be aiming to attract WoW players - especially the burned out ones, looking for something similar but new.
If WAR is released polished, and is fun, and delivers even half of what is promised, I think that'll force Blizzard to take their heads out of their huge piles of money and make big improvements to WoW in response to impressive competition. Blizzard improve their products, Warcraft 2 was a huge improvement on 1, and likewise for 3. Even though a lot of the elements they used to improve these games weren't invented by them, they've done them so well that noone seems to mind.
Or like most over-hyped MMOs WAR will fall flat on it's face and join the likes of Dark and Light, DNDO, LOTRO, Vanguard and hardly anyone will notice or care.
I can't help but being cynical because this is yet another hyped MMO. I don't care for hype anymore, until it's out on the shelves all pre-release games are equal in my eyes - there's just been far too many disappointments.
And besides, WoW is more than good enough for now.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
i'll try out WAR, i never trust what others say about a game till i play it, because i have to like it, hype and all that don't matter to me. I'll most likely keep playing WOW tho, my friends love the game and they don't plan on going anywhere else so i'm here to stay
...if WAR is good i could always just play it on Tuesday maintenance :P
Besides i'm not really a PVP type person and even tho there is some PVE to the game, it seems mostly focused on PVP so it probably wouldn't hold my interest for very long.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
I thought WAR is already changing WoW, they're adding more PvP stuff (siege weapons or something wasn't it) in the next expansion to properly complete with WAR and try and keep most their pvp playerbase in tact I'm guessing.
If the game's genuwinely any better then WoW and **actually* live up to its hype, it'll probably take a good chunk of WoW's playerbase, but I'm just guessing. It's good WoW will probably be getting its first serious competitor, they just weren't trying hard enough to improve the game imo. Personally I won't play WAR I'm just not into pvp oriented games very much and the gender restricted classes are kinda silly to me. But I hope it makes WoW start getting nervous and kick itself into gear, BC was as dull as an expansion pack could get.
I wouldn't get too hyped about Warhammer. I'm sure it will be an ok game, and i'm still going to try it because of the RVR, but trying to tackle WoW will be a failure.
If they just focus on WAR, and not WoW, it will be a great game.
If WAR doesnt do it right though, those who left will most likely be right back on WOW's doorsteps never to return to WAR.
WAR is the ONLY competition it has had since its launched, but I doubt blizzard will make huge changes until they see what happens with WAR, blizzard are not ones to rush into decisions.
They have added better PvP but not sure if that was a response to WAR or just what they had planned, after all they said they wanted siege weapons in the game from the start.
I guess time will tell, for all we know WAR could sux donkey ballz, but i'll try it for sure.
Heres a nice video form blizzcon showing what blizz have planned for PvP www.youtube.com/watch
I personally feel the seige pvp they are planning for wow is a result of WAr being in the works and slated for release. I feel they are goign to trry to make thier pvp worth playing , but i don';t think they will succed
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Have you been living in a Cave? The games your nameing there have not been falling flat on thier face, there doing fine...
Exsept for Vangaurd maby, but get a grip not ever game has to have 9 million players to be profitmaking.
Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
The Siege PVP has nothing to do with WAR. Blizzard already had Siege weapons planned well before WAR was even announced. It was listed under the "on the horizon" section.
WAR will have no effect on WoW. Its just another MMO thats simply there, just like Lotro.
Sorry but i played WoW and do not remember this being addressed but recently. Though i may be wrong , but its real easy to say otherwise.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Siege warfare existed in Warcraft 3, in fact it was a huge part of the game - catapults anyone? Players want this kind of stuff, regardless of whether it's being promised in a new game or not. You can cynically claim they're only doing it now because of WAR, and maybe they are, but they wouldn't implement it if it was out of place in the Warcraft franchise. It just so happens that siege warfare and Warcraft go together like Murlocs and water
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
I remember them making a small mention to it a long time ago as well, the same as their hero classes which are finally jumping in.
I would think their thoughts on siege weaponry came from past games like Daoc. So Mythic had an effect on WoW, as well as about every other game.
The two big games that will effect WoW will be WAR and AoC. I'm willing to place money that these two will take some of the playerbase from WoW. WoW will probably try to make some changes to appeal to those who have left, but many will have the "been there, done that" feeling and just move on.
WoW will definitely add more PvP shit (like that zone for the expansion) than before, if WAR does good. I don't see any of their PvP features doing well anyway. About 95% of the players in WoW only PvP for gear. It's going to be too hard to reverse the affect now. I understand why they added gear obtainable through PvP, and I'm glad they did. The problem is, that's what WoW is all about, gear... Nobody cares about fun anymore. I'm sure most people did at first... then they realized they're useless without good gear. Then they either quit , or go on a mission to get the best shit. Let's hope WAR is more about fun than gear.
Don't claim to speak for everyone. There's no gear rewards for mounting city raids, but these happen on regular basis on my server. They're done for fun. I PvP for fun, I may just be a 'fanboy' to detractors, but fans of the game have fun. If they didn't then they wouldn't be playing, would they? Oh that's right, they're all waiting for a hyped MMO... another hyped MMO...
Newsflash:
UPCOMING FANTASY MMO TO OFFER REVOLUTIONARY EXPERIENCE!!! BUT THIS TIME THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE GOOD!!! HONEST!!!
Wait.. come back... revolutionary.... I tell you....... didn't you ever play DAOC!?! .... hello?
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
Don't claim to speak for everyone. There's no gear rewards for mounting city raids, but these happen on regular basis on my server. They're done for fun. I PvP for fun, I may just be a 'fanboy' to detractors, but fans of the game have fun. If they didn't then they wouldn't be playing, would they? Oh that's right, they're all waiting for a hyped MMO... another hyped MMO...
Newsflash:
UPCOMING FANTASY MMO TO OFFER REVOLUTIONARY EXPERIENCE!!! BUT THIS TIME THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE GOOD!!! HONEST!!!
Wait.. come back... revolutionary.... I tell you....... didn't you ever play DAOC!?! .... hello?
Oh man, what server do you play on? I wish i'd leveled on a *good* PvP server, the only world PvP i really see is ganking/grind spots and a half arsed city raids because as soon as 'orgrimmar is under attack' it's over.
I agree with many points in this thread, especially the bit about 'burnt out players'. I enjoy PvP more than i do PvE, simply because to get far in PvE means you need to have a lot of dedication.
One other thing that i think needs addressing is that WoW needs to sort out their leveling system. With 1-70 taking an eternity and 10 more levels to be added, it's a very unfriendly game to new users.
Don't claim to speak for everyone. There's no gear rewards for mounting city raids, but these happen on regular basis on my server. They're done for fun. I PvP for fun, I may just be a 'fanboy' to detractors, but fans of the game have fun. If they didn't then they wouldn't be playing, would they? Oh that's right, they're all waiting for a hyped MMO... another hyped MMO...
Newsflash:
UPCOMING FANTASY MMO TO OFFER REVOLUTIONARY EXPERIENCE!!! BUT THIS TIME THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE GOOD!!! HONEST!!!
Wait.. come back... revolutionary.... I tell you....... didn't you ever play DAOC!?! .... hello?
Actually I am waiting for a mmo that is fresh, has a rich background, and offers more for pvp. So far WAR and AoC seem to be doing that. All games begin with hype. WoW was just another hyped mmo... I used to tell people before it was out that it was going to be big, but they all gave the kind of response you give now.
You may do some light world pvp for fun, I think we all did at one point. If you don't grind for gear though then you won't be very effective unless youre killing lowbies. Unless you are masochistic then you did grind for gear. Gear and raiding is the foundation of WoW.
I don't necessarily agree that fun=gear, unless you are a hardcore player, then I would say you need gear in order to have fun be it raiding or pvping. At least in WoW it's this way.
WoW will never have good world PvP. You can't have people with uber gear versus non-uber gear. It just doesn't work. WoW's main focus is PvE, and it will stay that way. WAR will not change that one bit.
I couldn't imagine how a RvR game would effect WoW at all. WoW barely focuses on PvP, and there is zero RvR.
From someone who hasn't played WoW...
but is a gamer "of old".
There was a situation for quite a while where D&D was THE RPG. it was the "common" language of games everyone had heard of; everyone had played; and almost always not only the FIRST they had played but the only one that in agiven group of people; Everyone had played (as I said; the common..)
TSR had the marketing and distribution...
But after playing D&D many players moved ON if they wanted a game that was more ______. There were loyalists of course but IN GENERAL mostly gamers would grow tired of D&D's foibles and find a game that offered something new or better.
In the 80's as TSR changed hands; they made a decision to try to expand their market by appealling to a larger demographic - a younger one(even moreso than in the "basic"set era)...The cartoon, new settings, the IMO mediocre and childish books...
A market reaction was other companies went after niches - the "mature" gamer niche in particular comes to mind...(white wolf stands out)...
AS I SEE IT... WoW is now that giant. hell; i suspect most WoW players never even played D&D- but the point is; you either have to make a new market or compete.
since out-WoWing wow probably isn't feasible; they have to bring something new to the table - eitherin mechanics/gameplay or in content.
i suppose all this goes without saying - but to put a point on it; i beleieve we have echoed that previous situation where THE game is a sort of "gateway game" and other games will have to give jaded players a REASON to move on.
Don't claim to speak for everyone. There's no gear rewards for mounting city raids, but these happen on regular basis on my server. They're done for fun. I PvP for fun, I may just be a 'fanboy' to detractors, but fans of the game have fun. If they didn't then they wouldn't be playing, would they? Oh that's right, they're all waiting for a hyped MMO... another hyped MMO...
Newsflash:
UPCOMING FANTASY MMO TO OFFER REVOLUTIONARY EXPERIENCE!!! BUT THIS TIME THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE GOOD!!! HONEST!!!
Wait.. come back... revolutionary.... I tell you....... didn't you ever play DAOC!?! .... hello?
Oh man, what server do you play on? I wish i'd leveled on a *good* PvP server, the only world PvP i really see is ganking/grind spots and a half arsed city raids because as soon as 'orgrimmar is under attack' it's over.
I agree with many points in this thread, especially the bit about 'burnt out players'. I enjoy PvP more than i do PvE, simply because to get far in PvE means you need to have a lot of dedication.
One other thing that i think needs addressing is that WoW needs to sort out their leveling system. With 1-70 taking an eternity and 10 more levels to be added, it's a very unfriendly game to new users.
I play on Zenedar atm, though I've also got characters on a few others. Obviously there's a lot of high levels around now, so if you re-roll here, until you're in the higher levels city raids won't be much fun and you'll be one shotted if you try to interfere - remembering of course you're under no obligation to fight.
Since you're a fellow Brit, If you're looking for a new server I suggest looking at the Community Events page, and finding a server which has weekly player organized World PvP events (that page includes RP events as well). To increase the chances of taking part in city raids you need to join a guild that explicitly does this sort of thing, otherwise you'll miss it while you're elsewhere in the world.
The busiest servers (marked full) are most likely have impromptu PvP raids, and the World PvP objectives in Outland are contested far more often.
I've even lead some city raids myself. The trick is simply to plan ahead, set a date and time, get your friends interested, and post on the official forums, or in IRC. We had a full 40 man raid - with people tagging along, attacking Stormwind a couple of weeks ago, it was pretty hilarious, though we did get wiped out eventually
Edit: bugged post.
Still waiting for your Holy Grail MMORPG? Interesting...
WAR is going to give WoW some real compitition, I dont understand what the big deal with AoC is, seems like a one player hack and slash game, but to each his own I guess.
That is good, means blizzard will be more focused, from the looks of that trailer blizzard is already starting to worry, because something I always loved about blizzard is there detailed trailers and humor/thought put into them. That one is just bad.
I hope WAR has mind blowing good PvP, because I will either love it and stay, or it will pull alot of the monkeys that make wow suck away from wow and give me a chance to enjoy that game again. I am all for the monkeys coming to WAR if I stay, a game centered on PvP means I get to beat up on them monkeys.
I have played alot of MMOs and WoW by far has the worst community, anything that could help make that better would be nice.
WoW and WAR are basically the same game though; a theme park fantasy mmo. Although some elements will be different, I think most players will feel that they're playing a slightly different version of WoW.
The difference will be if EA can attract and retain enough players to build a sustainable community. For example, when I joined LoTR most of my guild left to play. After a few weeks most of us started filtering back to WoW, and eventually we left all together. Some of our members really enjoyed LoTR, and may still have an account, but came back to WoW to play with the rest of us.
EA had better release a polished product, or imo WAR will fall to the side. Not only will EA have to worry about WoW, but AoC will most likely release in the same time frame. They certainly have a challenge.
My guild is certainly looking forward to WAR; the concepts look fantastic.
As to the original point ...
WAR will certainly have an impact on WoW. Competition is always good, and I'm sure Blizzard will adopt features to keep players. I won't rehash what people have already mentioned, but I'm hoping Blizzard gets into the concept of dynamically controlled zones more.
Ico
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Don't claim to speak for everyone. There's no gear rewards for mounting city raids, but these happen on regular basis on my server. They're done for fun. I PvP for fun, I may just be a 'fanboy' to detractors, but fans of the game have fun. If they didn't then they wouldn't be playing, would they? Oh that's right, they're all waiting for a hyped MMO... another hyped MMO...
Newsflash:
UPCOMING FANTASY MMO TO OFFER REVOLUTIONARY EXPERIENCE!!! BUT THIS TIME THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE GOOD!!! HONEST!!!
Wait.. come back... revolutionary.... I tell you....... didn't you ever play DAOC!?! .... hello?
Dude, I was on Bonechewer pre-TBC and there was not much world PvP after BGs came out. I was also on Andorhol afterwards and there was no world PvP. My friends and a few others would try to start some shit once in a while, but people run away. The only time anybody stayed around to fight is if they outnumbered us. It gets boring starting trouble and hopin peoples friends show up and stay. Also, notice how I said "ABOUT 95% of the players" pvp for gear. You're in that 5%, I'm in that 5%... If there is more world PvP going on on your server then you're lucky. Also, don't act like I'm hating on WoW. I've been playing it for a little over 3 years and that's what I see. Most people PvP ONLY FOR GEAR! This is a fact. I'm not speaking for everybody... I'm speaking from what I know and see. I wouldn't have assumed you were a "fanboy" at all... until you're last few comments. It sounds like you're in love with WoW and will never bother with another game. You sound like a hater plain and simple.
Yeah no kiddin. WAR will steal subs from WoW like it's their job! Not to mention eventually cause WoW to invest more time and money into new, competitive features which will ultimately take away from the orginal WoW form that many people love. Sorry that's just how it goes in the MMO world. History will repeat its self I'm sure.
It won't change WoW at all. WoW doesn't need to change because of WAR, AoC or anything else on the horizon. They found a winning formula already and will milk it for all its worth. They would be crazy not to. WoW is still in a phase where it is attracting new subs fast enough to outpace attrition. With all the hype that snoball over the coming year for its new expansion, I don't see other games affecting it much numbers wise.
The other issue is, WAR is very much at its core a pvp game. A very large number of WoW's playerbase aren't even into the pvp there, they play the pve. I don't know what those numbers are but when I played I saw pvp was active but a minority sport on my server. Maybe that varies. So there's at least a little bit of apples and oranges to this comparison as well.
If anything changes WoW over time, it will simply be time and aging like all of the games before it. Even WoW won't hold up forever. Eventually some other game will usurp thier market dominance. After x amount of expansions it will become old hat no matter what they do. It is what it is.
That's not to take any pokes at either game. I just don't see one affecting the other very much given thier differing focus.
He who hesitates is lost.