Thats because the starter area isnt very popular for a "Hang Out" lol, If you go into Major City of the game you'll see ton's of people running about. I never had any issues trying to get into a group on this game at all. It's a wonderful game and its very popular if I may say so myself. There's going to be opinions about "EVERY" single MMORPG out there. The day people doesnt judge just 1 game. I might just pass out and not wake up. Because theres always a neg. opinion on a game no matter how good someone think it is. They all have flaws. Nothing is perfect....Everyone is different...
I actually wouldn't be surprised if this number is accurate, if they had anywhere from 500,000+ - 800,000 subscribers, the game servers are filling rapidly, and there's always new players...ALWAYS...coming in every day....If we hit the 1mil. Mark, we'll definantly hear about it...The game is brand spakin' new..it's done so well...GJ Turbine.
I can not believe you guys are still going on about this crap who gives a rats ass how well it is going it is still going isn't it and that is enough of a success for me seems that every 1 is so fixated on if they have a squezillion subs and how much money they are making WHO CARES there the ones getting rich why does this bother you or me surely there is something more intelligent for you all to talk about then if LOTRO has lived up to what your standards think it should be....... i think i am getting a headache please every 1 lovers and haters get over it for the love of god.
Agreed...Before my scrip was up, I had heard about the wonderful Landroval server which was a RP community with lots of people..
So, I thought maybe if I find some people with interests and would be willing to RP, it might keep me.
I arrived from the starter quest to the first town (human side), and it had 2 people...then I found one person running around killing stuff, and I started killing there, and greeted him..
"Hail"
Reply - "Please leave, these are my wolves to kill"
And he runs away...
So, 3 people, one rude...last time I logged in...after 4 months of regular play...no...there were not new people coming in all the time..
Anyways, I enjoy your blog...keep up the good work weeding out all the "praised" reviews, and get some overall viewpoints going...
So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?
So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
well i am on us servers so it may be different to euro maybe it is the RP servers they are not getting on as you just pointed out obviously not a true rper to tell you to leave his wolfs alone as a true Rper would have atleast hailed you back. i am seeing new people every time i log on not shitloads but enough to see that people are still joing middle earth, they may stay and they may leave but none the less they are there.
Im sorry if it seemed i was having a go at you i did not meen it that way.
well i am on us servers so it may be different to euro maybe it is the RP servers they are not getting on as you just pointed out obviously not a true rper to tell you to leave his wolfs alone as a true Rper would have atleast hailed you back. i am seeing new people every time i log on not shitloads but enough to see that people are still joing middle earth, they may stay and they may leave but none the less they are there.
Im sorry if it seemed i was having a go at you i did not meen it that way.
Not at all...your cool...I did mention starter area...but it was the full world, not my own private Idaho..
By the way...that was the US server Landroval...not a Euro server...hehe
So, yes, the disappointment was there, as I heard great things...but, life goes on..
I feel like I found a better game now in EQ2, and can't wait for Tabula Rasa or Gods and Heroes (but, will not buy a pre-order for sure..will wait 3 months and see how they are doing...read reviews etc..)
Sorry but I just can't see 800k playing the game. I played for 10 days on the trial an did not like it at all. I never saw anybody. I thinkI heard 4 guys on chat in that time. Something I was not used to coming over from WoW and FFXI.
I think we should go with AnimatorKid's number. His seem the most scientific.
So 10 days with 4 guys in chat . . . plus 3 . . . carry the 1 . . . . BOOM . . 18 subscriptions in 4 months.
Sorry but I just can't see 800k playing the game. I played for 10 days on the trial an did not like it at all. I never saw anybody. I thinkI heard 4 guys on chat in that time. Something I was not used to coming over from WoW and FFXI.
I think we should go with AnimatorKid's number. His seem the most scientific.
So 10 days with 4 guys in chat . . . plus 3 . . . carry the 1 . . . . BOOM . . 18 subscriptions in 4 months.
This game is teh sux. d00d stay away.
so should we go by your numbers? did ya just log on to be an ass? he says there weren't alot of people using the voice chat, and words it the way a normal human would, and you jump into the convo just to mock? come backc when you have somethign to contribute, mr. cool guy
Sorry but I just can't see 800k playing the game. I played for 10 days on the trial an did not like it at all. I never saw anybody. I thinkI heard 4 guys on chat in that time. Something I was not used to coming over from WoW and FFXI.
I think we should go with AnimatorKid's number. His seem the most scientific.
So 10 days with 4 guys in chat . . . plus 3 . . . carry the 1 . . . . BOOM . . 18 subscriptions in 4 months.
This game is teh sux. d00d stay away.
so should we go by your numbers?
What numbers would those be?
And yes, I jumped into the "convo" to "mock" him. And yes, now I am doing it to you.
So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - specifically in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name. Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market. Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.
Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name. Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market. Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.
Again... completely baseless supposition.
A: If people don't enjoy a game, they don't play it. The IP can only take it so far. As a great example, look at Matrix Online. Hugely popular IP, yet the game is barely scraping along. Why? Because the game has had major issues, has had no significant improvements made to it, enough to bring people back, so few people are playing it.
B: What do "MMO Veterans" see in the game? Easy... The same thing a non MMO veteran would see in it - a game that, for their own reasons, they enjoy playing. And that's it. Simple. If someone's going to continue to spend money and time on a game they don't enjoy, then there's something very wrong there.
Also, this whole idea of so-called "MMO Veterans'" tastes or opinions somehow having more value, or that they should "know what a good game is" more than "non-veterans" is just ridiculous self-glorifying crap. You don't need "veteran experience" to know if you enjoy playing a game or not. And I say this having played many MMOs over the course of the past almost 7 years. I could group myself in with the "Veteran" crowd, were I ignorant enough to do so. But I don't, because the number of games I've played, or how long I've played them makes my opinion no more right than anyone else's.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name. Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market. Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.
Did you think the same way about WOW? That is the biggest clone of other MMO's out there and look at it's subs. Like it or not the game is a fun game to play and is a good solid game. The franchise name doesn't hurt subs. But i can tell you this alot of the hardcore LOTR fans won't touch this game.
So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.
[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina
I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...
EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.
Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..
In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..
Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..
I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...
That Gamespot article is just as bad as this Boston Globe article. Don't quote either one if you want to be somewhat reliable.
Gamespot derived their numbers of boxes sold from Midway's quarterly report... which made no mention of Lotro or boxes sold. It did mention a $10 million dollar profit... but that's it. Gamespot then used some kinda magic mojo formula to come up with the box sales. Here is the link to Midway's sales # : www.midway.com/rxpage/mpr_12064.html To see the table I have included below... you'll have to go to the PDF that they have a link for in the above link, I've included a link to the PDF here as well: www.midway.com/assets/press/documents/MWY_Q2_2007.pdf
MIDWAY GAMES INC. Net Revenues by Platform (in thousands) Three Months Ending June 30, 2007
2007 2006
Personal Computer $ 10,026 31.5% $ 4,978 19.2%%
If you don't believe me... look on the internet for as long as you want to try and find an official release of box sales. You won't find it. The box sales number is just like Boston Globes 800k subs. number... a complete guess without any clue as to it's accuracy.
hmmm...........ok, well still as I said, there is no offical release either way. I would go with GS over the Boston globe any day.
The fact of the matter is there are not enough physical servers to house 800k subs.
Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name. Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market. Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.
that pretty much sums me up. I AM A HUGE fan of LOTR, preordered the box and everything after beta (i saw lacking content in beta, but i bought it anyways cause i am a huge fan of the IP). 2 months into the game, i cancelled, just wasn't what i hoped it was. I am just glad i didnt pay for the 200 buck lifetime sub. While this game wasnt for me, i know alot of people enjoy it. I wont bash the game, cause it is well made, but i know alot of people also are in the same boat as me. The game just got too stale after a while, and while living in tolkiens world was beautiful....the game itself just couldnt keep my attention.
That Gamespot article is just as bad as this Boston Globe article. Don't quote either one if you want to be somewhat reliable.
Gamespot derived their numbers of boxes sold from Midway's quarterly report... which made no mention of Lotro or boxes sold. It did mention a $10 million dollar profit... but that's it. Gamespot then used some kinda magic mojo formula to come up with the box sales. Here is the link to Midway's sales # : www.midway.com/rxpage/mpr_12064.html To see the table I have included below... you'll have to go to the PDF that they have a link for in the above link, I've included a link to the PDF here as well: www.midway.com/assets/press/documents/MWY_Q2_2007.pdf
MIDWAY GAMES INC. Net Revenues by Platform (in thousands) Three Months Ending June 30, 2007
2007 2006
Personal Computer $ 10,026 31.5% $ 4,978 19.2%%
If you don't believe me... look on the internet for as long as you want to try and find an official release of box sales. You won't find it. The box sales number is just like Boston Globes 800k subs. number... a complete guess without any clue as to it's accuracy.
hmmm...........ok, well still as I said, there is no offical release either way. I would go with GS over the Boston globe any day.
The fact of the matter is there are not enough physical servers to house 800k subs.
That is true actually...do a search, and it is noted that roughly 3000 to 4000 can be on one server...x12 servers (they still have that many?)
Thats only 48000 on at one time MAX....so, how could 800k play all at once? or even stilted...I never got a queue after the first month of open...so maybe...just maybe...100-200k subs at most
So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.
[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina
I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...
EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.
Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..
In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..
Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..
I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...
Cheer up...k?
I don't need to cheer up - you have me thoroughly amused. It's Friday. Life is good.
I'm not taking anything out on you, merely calling you out on making a highly generalized judgement on very limited and short-lived part of the game. Again, as you should know, the first 9 levels of a game and hanging around the first few areas in the "real world" is not going to give you the indication of how many people are playing, because people can breeze through them very quickly. I can start a new character and be out of the Ered Luin area in an afternoon if I wanted to. It's not that hard. The lowbie areas alone are not a good place to judge how the game is doing overall. That said, I've still never had trouble finding a group or seeing other players in the times I've played in those levels - maybe you just played at really off-times. That's a possibility too.
Whether you see them in the lowbie areas or not... they're coming from *somewhere*, right? They're not starting the game at level 20+ and skipping all those starter areas.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.
[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina
I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...
EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.
Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..
In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..
Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..
I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...
Cheer up...k?
I don't need to cheer up - you have me thoroughly amused.
I'm not taking anything out on you, merely calling you out on making a highly generalized judgement on very limited exposure. Again, the first 9 levels of a game and hanging around the first few areas in the "real world" is not going to give you the indication of how many people are playing, because people can breeze through them very quickly.
Conversely, myself and others I talk to have noted more and more that the game is becoming more and more populated. Be it in Bree or out in the middle of the North Downs, I see substantially more people around on a regular basis than I did, even just a couple weeks ago. Whether you see them in the lowbie areas or not... they're coming from *somewhere*, right? They're not starting the game at level 20+ and skipping all those starter areas.
Your right...and you have a point...and note...I did quit in August (end)..and then they introduced the 7 day trial near the end...so, I am thinking this is what your seeing? Did they put a level limit on that? I don't think so...
Lotro seems to be populated on my server, I am seeing new people everyday and all night there seems to be something going somewhere, im really enjoying this game so far,
So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.
[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina
I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...
EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.
Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..
In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..
Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..
I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...
Cheer up...k?
I don't need to cheer up - you have me thoroughly amused.
I'm not taking anything out on you, merely calling you out on making a highly generalized judgement on very limited exposure. Again, the first 9 levels of a game and hanging around the first few areas in the "real world" is not going to give you the indication of how many people are playing, because people can breeze through them very quickly.
Conversely, myself and others I talk to have noted more and more that the game is becoming more and more populated. Be it in Bree or out in the middle of the North Downs, I see substantially more people around on a regular basis than I did, even just a couple weeks ago. Whether you see them in the lowbie areas or not... they're coming from *somewhere*, right? They're not starting the game at level 20+ and skipping all those starter areas.
Your right...and you have a point...and note...I did quit in August (end)..and then they introduced the 7 day trial near the end...so, I am thinking this is what your seeing? Did they put a level limit on that? I don't think so...
Influx = New Trial...?
Thoughts?
That's possible. Time will tell, I guess by how much retention the trial does or doesn't have. I know I've spoken to a few who are in on the trial and seem to really be enjoying it.
Some have already bought a retail key and are full-timers; we've brought several of those into our Kin. Some are ragging on it, calling it a WoW Clone in the OOC channel (you know, the "look at me! I need attention!" sort) - which is odd.. because unless I'm mistaken, you can't use the /ooc as a trial subscriber.. Maybe I'm wrong on that, though. Some are working at a Chuck Norris revival (/ignore ftw).
All I know is, I don't know exactly what rate they're joining at, but the game is notably more populated than it has been. I hadn't even known that "reduced awareness" thing existed 'til a couple weeks ago. Now it's up almost all the time in some areas.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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Thats because the starter area isnt very popular for a "Hang Out" lol, If you go into Major City of the game you'll see ton's of people running about. I never had any issues trying to get into a group on this game at all. It's a wonderful game and its very popular if I may say so myself. There's going to be opinions about "EVERY" single MMORPG out there. The day people doesnt judge just 1 game. I might just pass out and not wake up. Because theres always a neg. opinion on a game no matter how good someone think it is. They all have flaws. Nothing is perfect....Everyone is different...
I actually wouldn't be surprised if this number is accurate, if they had anywhere from 500,000+ - 800,000 subscribers, the game servers are filling rapidly, and there's always new players...ALWAYS...coming in every day....If we hit the 1mil. Mark, we'll definantly hear about it...The game is brand spakin' new..it's done so well...GJ Turbine.
Thanks for the laugh, Valentina.
Perception is Reality.
I can not believe you guys are still going on about this crap who gives a rats ass how well it is going it is still going isn't it and that is enough of a success for me seems that every 1 is so fixated on if they have a squezillion subs and how much money they are making WHO CARES there the ones getting rich why does this bother you or me surely there is something more intelligent for you all to talk about then if LOTRO has lived up to what your standards think it should be....... i think i am getting a headache please every 1 lovers and haters get over it for the love of god.
haha im with ya on that.. if they were close to a mil, there would be some real numbers out there, not just padded, made up ones
Agreed...Before my scrip was up, I had heard about the wonderful Landroval server which was a RP community with lots of people..
So, I thought maybe if I find some people with interests and would be willing to RP, it might keep me.
I arrived from the starter quest to the first town (human side), and it had 2 people...then I found one person running around killing stuff, and I started killing there, and greeted him..
"Hail"
Reply - "Please leave, these are my wolves to kill"
And he runs away...
So, 3 people, one rude...last time I logged in...after 4 months of regular play...no...there were not new people coming in all the time..
Anyways, I enjoy your blog...keep up the good work weeding out all the "praised" reviews, and get some overall viewpoints going...
So you were in the starter area which means you were under lvl 6 right? well of course there was no 1 there they were obviously in combe lvling up once you get out of the starter area so if you have played past the starter area b4 you should know this am i correct?
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
well i am on us servers so it may be different to euro maybe it is the RP servers they are not getting on as you just pointed out obviously not a true rper to tell you to leave his wolfs alone
as a true Rper would have atleast hailed you back. i am seeing new people every time i log on not shitloads but enough to see that people are still joing middle earth, they may stay and they may leave but none the less they are there.
Im sorry if it seemed i was having a go at you i did not meen it that way.
Not at all...your cool...I did mention starter area...but it was the full world, not my own private Idaho..
By the way...that was the US server Landroval...not a Euro server...hehe
So, yes, the disappointment was there, as I heard great things...but, life goes on..
I feel like I found a better game now in EQ2, and can't wait for Tabula Rasa or Gods and Heroes (but, will not buy a pre-order for sure..will wait 3 months and see how they are doing...read reviews etc..)
Thanks
So 10 days with 4 guys in chat . . . plus 3 . . . carry the 1 . . . . BOOM . . 18 subscriptions in 4 months.
This game is teh sux. d00d stay away.
So 10 days with 4 guys in chat . . . plus 3 . . . carry the 1 . . . . BOOM . . 18 subscriptions in 4 months.
This game is teh sux. d00d stay away.
so should we go by your numbers? did ya just log on to be an ass? he says there weren't alot of people using the voice chat, and words it the way a normal human would, and you jump into the convo just to mock? come backc when you have somethign to contribute, mr. cool guy
So 10 days with 4 guys in chat . . . plus 3 . . . carry the 1 . . . . BOOM . . 18 subscriptions in 4 months.
This game is teh sux. d00d stay away.
so should we go by your numbers?
What numbers would those be?
And yes, I jumped into the "convo" to "mock" him. And yes, now I am doing it to you.
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - specifically in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Only reason this game got that much sale is because of the franchise name. Other than that, i don't see what mmo's veteran see in that game, it's a clone of all the other fantasy mmo's on the market. Of that 800k subscribers i bet more than half of them no longer plays the game.
Again... completely baseless supposition.
A: If people don't enjoy a game, they don't play it. The IP can only take it so far. As a great example, look at Matrix Online. Hugely popular IP, yet the game is barely scraping along. Why? Because the game has had major issues, has had no significant improvements made to it, enough to bring people back, so few people are playing it.
B: What do "MMO Veterans" see in the game? Easy... The same thing a non MMO veteran would see in it - a game that, for their own reasons, they enjoy playing. And that's it. Simple. If someone's going to continue to spend money and time on a game they don't enjoy, then there's something very wrong there.
Also, this whole idea of so-called "MMO Veterans'" tastes or opinions somehow having more value, or that they should "know what a good game is" more than "non-veterans" is just ridiculous self-glorifying crap. You don't need "veteran experience" to know if you enjoy playing a game or not. And I say this having played many MMOs over the course of the past almost 7 years. I could group myself in with the "Veteran" crowd, were I ignorant enough to do so. But I don't, because the number of games I've played, or how long I've played them makes my opinion no more right than anyone else's.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Did you think the same way about WOW? That is the biggest clone of other MMO's out there and look at it's subs. Like it or not the game is a fun game to play and is a good solid game. The franchise name doesn't hurt subs. But i can tell you this alot of the hardcore LOTR fans won't touch this game.
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.
[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina
I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...
EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.
Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..
In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..
Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..
I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...
Cheer up...k?
The fact of the matter is there are not enough physical servers to house 800k subs.
that pretty much sums me up. I AM A HUGE fan of LOTR, preordered the box and everything after beta (i saw lacking content in beta, but i bought it anyways cause i am a huge fan of the IP). 2 months into the game, i cancelled, just wasn't what i hoped it was. I am just glad i didnt pay for the 200 buck lifetime sub. While this game wasnt for me, i know alot of people enjoy it. I wont bash the game, cause it is well made, but i know alot of people also are in the same boat as me. The game just got too stale after a while, and while living in tolkiens world was beautiful....the game itself just couldnt keep my attention.
hmmm...........ok, well still as I said, there is no offical release either way. I would go with GS over the Boston globe any day.The fact of the matter is there are not enough physical servers to house 800k subs.
That is true actually...do a search, and it is noted that roughly 3000 to 4000 can be on one server...x12 servers (they still have that many?)
Thats only 48000 on at one time MAX....so, how could 800k play all at once? or even stilted...I never got a queue after the first month of open...so maybe...just maybe...100-200k subs at most
Cheers!
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.
[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina
I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...
EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.
Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..
In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..
Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..
I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...
Cheer up...k?
I don't need to cheer up - you have me thoroughly amused. It's Friday. Life is good.
I'm not taking anything out on you, merely calling you out on making a highly generalized judgement on very limited and short-lived part of the game. Again, as you should know, the first 9 levels of a game and hanging around the first few areas in the "real world" is not going to give you the indication of how many people are playing, because people can breeze through them very quickly. I can start a new character and be out of the Ered Luin area in an afternoon if I wanted to. It's not that hard. The lowbie areas alone are not a good place to judge how the game is doing overall. That said, I've still never had trouble finding a group or seeing other players in the times I've played in those levels - maybe you just played at really off-times. That's a possibility too.
Whether you see them in the lowbie areas or not... they're coming from *somewhere*, right? They're not starting the game at level 20+ and skipping all those starter areas.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.
[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina
I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...
EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.
Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..
In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..
Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..
I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...
Cheer up...k?
I don't need to cheer up - you have me thoroughly amused.
I'm not taking anything out on you, merely calling you out on making a highly generalized judgement on very limited exposure. Again, the first 9 levels of a game and hanging around the first few areas in the "real world" is not going to give you the indication of how many people are playing, because people can breeze through them very quickly.
Conversely, myself and others I talk to have noted more and more that the game is becoming more and more populated. Be it in Bree or out in the middle of the North Downs, I see substantially more people around on a regular basis than I did, even just a couple weeks ago. Whether you see them in the lowbie areas or not... they're coming from *somewhere*, right? They're not starting the game at level 20+ and skipping all those starter areas.
Your right...and you have a point...and note...I did quit in August (end)..and then they introduced the 7 day trial near the end...so, I am thinking this is what your seeing? Did they put a level limit on that? I don't think so...
Influx = New Trial...?
Thoughts?
Lotro seems to be populated on my server, I am seeing new people everyday and all night there seems to be something going somewhere, im really enjoying this game so far,
playing eq2 and two worlds
I was not in the instanced beginner area ...and was level 9...I was in Archet when this happened. So, I had finished the beginning area's and was now in the full on sections...and it had 3 people..
I went to Combe and saw no one...As I went to the Comb and Wattle for that specific quest....
So, I still believe "new" people starting is not happening that much!
Oh get off it already and find a hobby , will you, Open?
You play a game up to level 9, see a few people in lower level areas - where no one sticks around in for very long - and feel that's enough to make a comprehensive judgement on? And you do this with complete sincerity?
LOL. You take absurdity to a whole new level.
The lower level areas in *many* MMOs are often not very populated, for the very same reason - people level up and out of them relatively quickly.
In WoW, I'd start a new character, a Night Elf in one instance and, guess what... Aldrassil would be all but abandoned. In fact, all of Teldrassil was remarkably void of many people. There was one time where there were literally more Horde players there, attacking the NPCs in Darnassus, than there were actual lowbie NE's in the entire area. Why? Because you don't spend much time there. Not more than the first 10 or so levels. Would you say that game is lacking in players?
In FFXI, the newbie areas are, similarly, fairly vacant of many players. it's led some people to think no one really plays it. Yet, go to Jeuno or to Whitegate and there's generally more people than the FFXI engine can even display on a screen at once.
Where LoTRO is concerned...
1. Go to Bree - the place is always busy and almost always has the "reduced awareness" setting active, which indicates there are many, many people online - at least in that region - and the server has to choke back how far players can see to keep performance at an optimum. That is not the sign of a game with a "low population".
2. Lone Lands and especially Forsaken Inn always has people in or around it, questing, hanging around, etc.
3. North Downs, especially in and around Esteldin always has a bunch of people around. I regularly pass by several other players/groups in my travels, whether I'm on a main road or off.
4. Playing in general... I don't care where I've been or when I've been there, I see other players/groups around, in even the most remote locations, more and more all the time.
Hate to burst your bubble, as it's clear you'd like nothing more than to believe LoTRO is somehow not doing well, but it's doing quite fine. There are plenty of people playing and, yes, the population is noticeably increasing.
I guess you missed the whole point of the post then...The question was regarding "NEW" subscribers...I AGAIN agreed with another posters note based on what had been seen.
[Quote] there's always new players...ALWAYS[/Quote] from Valentina
I anecdotally stated what happened to me at the end of August...maybe it is different now...but at the end of August, a total of 3 starters...what is the issue with my statement? Am I not allowed to talk here or something? Get a grip yourself...
EVERYTIME I started a new alt in WoW, I would see anywhere between 20-30 people running around in a localized area...in the BEGINNER area...of course I also never played an Elf much because...no one else was around there...hmm...I just started EQ2 an old game also...I should not see new people...yet, I met between 15, 20...and on a low pop server...They told me then which server had more people...I went there (Antonia Bayle)...surprise...starter area...FULL of people below level 10.
Again, all I did was post an opinion based on someone else's statement that I felt was incorrect. Why not quit attacking me, and just make YOUR statements..
In case you forgot, I played LOTRO Closed Beta...I played 4 months after with 3 month time and my free month after purchase...so, yes, I noticed higher populations in the higher level area's..
Why??? More people are in the higher level area's because there are no new starters in LOTRO...and I guess it just makes you angry,and I am sorry that you have to take it out on me..
I have every right to voice what happened to me, just like you have every right to counter the post..so, please do...but, don't blame me because I simply stated what I saw...
Cheer up...k?
I don't need to cheer up - you have me thoroughly amused.
I'm not taking anything out on you, merely calling you out on making a highly generalized judgement on very limited exposure. Again, the first 9 levels of a game and hanging around the first few areas in the "real world" is not going to give you the indication of how many people are playing, because people can breeze through them very quickly.
Conversely, myself and others I talk to have noted more and more that the game is becoming more and more populated. Be it in Bree or out in the middle of the North Downs, I see substantially more people around on a regular basis than I did, even just a couple weeks ago. Whether you see them in the lowbie areas or not... they're coming from *somewhere*, right? They're not starting the game at level 20+ and skipping all those starter areas.
Your right...and you have a point...and note...I did quit in August (end)..and then they introduced the 7 day trial near the end...so, I am thinking this is what your seeing? Did they put a level limit on that? I don't think so...
Influx = New Trial...?
Thoughts?
That's possible. Time will tell, I guess by how much retention the trial does or doesn't have. I know I've spoken to a few who are in on the trial and seem to really be enjoying it.
Some have already bought a retail key and are full-timers; we've brought several of those into our Kin. Some are ragging on it, calling it a WoW Clone in the OOC channel (you know, the "look at me! I need attention!" sort) - which is odd.. because unless I'm mistaken, you can't use the /ooc as a trial subscriber.. Maybe I'm wrong on that, though. Some are working at a Chuck Norris revival (/ignore ftw).
All I know is, I don't know exactly what rate they're joining at, but the game is notably more populated than it has been. I hadn't even known that "reduced awareness" thing existed 'til a couple weeks ago. Now it's up almost all the time in some areas.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops