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Uh oh! Turbine *might* change their minds about letting us play the evil side?
Talyn
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Yes, we've all heard Turbine's reasons for LOTRO being Freeps only for normal play, even one of the devs saying "it will never happen" with respect to playing the evil races as long as he's in charge. Some of us have defended it, some have rallied against it.
However, at the transcript from the 9/10 Stratics Dev Chat, we see:
Q: So, why did you go the route of not allowing to play as Saruman's minions, in pursuit of their own dark agendas?A: So, there are numerous reasons as to why we didn't chase that down for launch. Most of them add up to the combination of Time and Quality. Time - in the sense that LOTRO is taking place before the War gets into full swing. Quality - in the sense that building a high quality content experience is... well, hard. We managed to do it for the Free People. Doubling down would be very difficult, and likely compromise the game for others. So, it's not to say we won't ever go down that road... You can just expect it to be further down the line.
They're not saying they absolutely will, but they at least seem to be giving more consideration to the idea now. Maybe those of you who prefer the Dark Side will be happy someday after all?
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Basicly they are saying, we did'nt have time or ressources to do it. We went the easy way, thus making this game a clone of all the other fantasy mmo currently on the market.
all this free content you guys are getting every few months.....its just parts of the game added after developement that was supposed to be in from the start.
Basically
LOTRO will go the route every other game has taken..
We do not offer..PvP
Wait...we will think about it though...and add it later if the demand is there...PvMP is not cutting it...ok, ok...we give...play an Orc..
Good for Turbine...Cheers
Truly remarkable news actually.... and perhaps the first time they've published the real reason for not let players play the dark forces at time of launch.
Wasn't really a lore issue, and looks like they are following the same path COX did getting one side of the game working well before adding open PVP and all of the balancing issues that can present.
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My hope is the 6 - 12 month window works for these guys..I liked the game...but with the issues present, and the content being "less than satisfying"...my hopes are after housing and FISHING come in (Fishing...fishing...hint)...then ability to play evil side...this game may just take off..
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This is a prime example of ready to much into what is said. They of course had alot of reasons for not implementing evil races. The restrictions of the books is a huge reason and they said so. If you read the quote on the transcript they say they won't say they won't ever go down that road (your typical opened answer reply) just expect it further down the road (another opened answer reply).
I would not count on the first expansion giving you evil races to play. They have stated they have already got plans thru book 16. On the other hand the evil races they could be alluding at are nothing more than the corsairs and southerners. This can be interpurted anyway a person wants to fit their opinions.
Until turbine tells us for a fact there will be evil races with no opened ended answers to cover their asses. All of this is speculation and i wouldn't get excited over it. Also i do not think this game needs evil races for it to really take off. In my opinion the game has already taken off and is a success. I know alot of people who play the game and think the same way i do.
Just to bring this up. One can already play the evil side in Monster play. So this topic is mute. Cause you can already do what this topic implies. Just can't do it in the tradtional way you all want it to be in.
[Quote]
Sprite - *Hexo* Is the storyline evolving then, so that one day you might open up the possaibility of a war on the player vs. player scale?
Orion - Long terms plans for the game certainly include the ability to participate in The War of the Ring. We will be cautious and likely you will be playing the roles of players and monster in those venues.
Orion - So...yes...
Orion - In a way... [/Quote]
This is another quote the basically debunks this topic. Cause they say they will be cautious and that you will play either monster or player. something that already exists in the game. Notice the last thing orion says "in a way". Wich tells me it is not the way the person asking the question is thinking.
A Turbine dev said Captains wouldn't get their Banner Standards back, but the last update added them back in. I wouldn't trust the devs.
I sure wish more games would follow suit.
Ditto.
The fact they put off PVP because the majority of players don't care about it much makes sense. Adding it later doesn't do anything but make things better for all concerned.
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I played the trial and found myself enjoying the evil side of things. It would really be a great game if they did up the evil beings. give them starting areas, have them level up the ranks of the foul in a pit of survivability based tasks. Keep it difficult like wiping out all your quests when you die - life as a rotten goblin or orc should be painful and only the strong should survive.
For now, the endgame of a monster should be two fold. Preventing Angmars fortress from falling to free peeps and getting involved in big raid like battles such as Sieging Minas Tirith, Helms Deep, etc.
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I don't remember hearing anyting about battle standards and them not getting them. Could you provide a link to this dev quote?
My honest interpretation of that is "We'll be implementing that right after hell freezes over, or maybe as a paid expansion at some point." Good read though, thanks for the link.
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Remember that these games are HUGELY expensive to produce, and they see no return until launch. They have a lot of pressure to release, and I really think LOTRO did a great job at launch in terms of bugs, polish, etc.
I think adding a full creep gameplay experience would be an awesome expansion. I understand the concerns about tacked on PVP - but with monsterplay already in the game, I don't see that being a problem.
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As another poster said, you folks in the camp looking for more a more open and integrated PvP element in LOTRO are reading too much into that quote.
I guarantee that Turbine will not implement PvP in the manner that some of you are thinking is implied by that statement in the Dev chat for a very long time, if ever. They have PvMP and may add the ability to adventure in ME as a evil character in the far future but I'm pretty confident that it'll never play out in the manner of WoW and other current and future PvP-heavy MMO's. PvMP is the only PVP model that currently fits into the parameters they are bound to.
Turbine is truly bound by the lore and license and take that seriously when entertaining changes to gameplay. A number of us applaud them for this stance (myself included) and frankly would be concerned if they approached the growth of the game in any other manner. I like PvP elements in a game but not at the expense of the overall package. PvP in the more open manner that some are envisioning would rob LOTRO of the uniqueness that it brings to the genre and would truly make it a cookie cutter fantasy MMO like so many of you like to decry.
You all can continue to hope and read into everything the Devs say but it's better to face the fact that Turbine will never turn it into the open PvP experience some are clamoring for. And that will keep me a happy LOTRO player for a long time to come.
i definitely agree, the polish, and low amount of bugs were lack of a better word amazing. turbine really pulled an ACE out their sleeve. that shows that any game regardless of the hype cost or otherwise, if you work hard, and do what u have to do, you can release a game that is polished with minimal bugs, turbine did it, why cant others. its a question that can be answered easily of course.
id love to play the evil side of orcs, trolls, and uraki
would be a splendid expansion adding to the game the sort of balance and fevor the game was orginally missing. monster play is fun in short doses, but didnt find it engaging. otherwise overall i think the game has done well, ill be going back to it once i have enough dough to spare :P. the questing and epic prologues were what i loved the most.
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Ditto.
The fact they put off PVP because the majority of players don't care about it much makes sense. Adding it later doesn't do anything but make things better for all concerned.
ditto x2 i think they did good in releasing a polished unbuggy game. unlike 90-95% of the MMOs out there. that have either half balanced content, buggy quests, or blocked or otherwise broken quests, or other various features that were held back or delayed due to them being buggy or just blocked out with the promise of it being brought out a later date (bait and switch tactic)
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all this free content you guys are getting every few months.....its just parts of the game added after developement that was supposed to be in from the start.
This is always easy to claim. When you have no idea what it takes to make the game and have no idea what was originally planned to be released. Because the game doesn't have all that you want in it you claim the devs are lazy and went the easy route and they are trying to pass of content as being free updates that should of been in launch.Even WOW was in developement for 5 years. It took them that long to make the game they made and launched with. And it was buggy from what i hear and the servers were very unstable. Unless you are part of the dev team you have no basis to claim what should of been in the game from the start. I was in beta from the start of closed beta and i remember when they told us horses wouldn't be in the game at launch. Then they told us horses would make it in for launch.
Here's LOTRO story so far:
-Excellent release
-Polished as hell
-Tons of stuff missing due to those 2 first points
Now, here's what they doing:
-Content
-Bug fixing
-Content
-Bug fixing
-Stuff we forgot (or did not want in, but might help us increase subs)
-MAJOR BUG FIXING
-Content
-Bug fixing
-and so on
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Nothing in that quote points to it not being a lore issue. Nor does it point to evil characters are on the way. What i got from it is that for alot of reasons, not haveing the resources, time or wanting to make double the content were some of them. Besides you can play the darkside thru monster play. Just not the way you want to play. But you still can play the darkside. I do not see them going the route of COX. I see them following the story that is laid out for them. A story that doesn't go into deep detail about the evil races. Along with the evil races had no major cities or gathering areas outside of mordor, the iron hills in the books.
They are adding goblin town from the hobbit as an instance in the next update. Do not look for tradtional PVP in this game or world PVP. You might die of old age before it happens.
The here what they are doing list is the same with every MMO. Actually worse in other MMO's. And yes i have been playing this game since closed beta started and it was not that buggy then. It had it's problems all MMO's do. But from the start of closed beta The game played liked alot of games that have been released for along time.
The here what they are doing list is the same with every MMO. Actually worse in other MMO's. And yes i have been playing this game since closed beta started and it was not that buggy then. It had it's problems all MMO's do. But from the start of closed beta The game played liked alot of games that have been released for along time.
I agree to a certain degree. But with LOTRO, the "stuff we forgot" should have been in there to begin with. It will be interesting to see their take on it.
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The here what they are doing list is the same with every MMO. Actually worse in other MMO's. And yes i have been playing this game since closed beta started and it was not that buggy then. It had it's problems all MMO's do. But from the start of closed beta The game played liked alot of games that have been released for along time.
I agree to a certain degree. But with LOTRO, the "stuff we forgot" should have been in there to begin with. It will be interesting to see their take on it.
It is your opinion it should of been in there to begin with. That is not a fact. They choose what they wanted to work on and went with it. Heck i could say that alot of stuff should of been in the game also. But that doesn't make it fact. That is just my opinion. I like the game and they are adding to it and expanding it at a nice clip. They didn't make a huge list of promised features then turn around and not have what they promised. That is smart to me. But that doesn't meen that they left out stuff that should of been or had to be in for the game to be a success.The game is already a success and they didn't have all the stuff you claim should of been in to start with.
Wow... Such a concise and superb display of complete and utter ignorance.
Well done.
Yeah... that's exactly what they're saying.
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lol...
I swear, people must think these devs have infinite time and an endless stash of funding to make games with. "They could have had all that in at launch, they were just too lazy to".
Unbelievable.
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Wow... Such a concise and superb display of complete and utter ignorance.
Well done.
Yeah... that's exactly what they're saying.
</sarcasm>
lol...
I swear, people must think these devs have infinite time and an endless stash of funding to make games with. "They could have had all that in at launch, they were just too lazy to".
Unbelievable.
QFT
I would like to see what tune they would sing if they were put on a budget and time frame to make a MMO. Then again shame on the devs for daring to have a life outside the game.
Some people just don't think things out before they open their mouths and make comments.
all this free content you guys are getting every few months.....its just parts of the game added after developement that was supposed to be in from the start.
You two really need to play bingo more often...you're horrible at it. Yes, if they would have put Evil PC characters in, it would have been SO much more original because WoW, EQ1, EQ2, SWG, Vanguard, CoX don' t have evil PC characters.
You guys are big ball of fail.
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