Their are merits for insta spells and cast spells.
Dispite what some think insta casts do require "skill" ( i hate that word being used in MMO's), that WoW mage running at you probably has an insta cast all ready to go.. what do I do? run or fight? Even Insta cast spells in WoW have counters or pre-emtive counters.. such as spell reflect, silence, stuns, mana drain, running behind some gemoretry etc.
Cast spells slow the games down.. running around.... select target ....start cast. If I had to do that 100% of the time in WoW the battles would start to drag, nothing better as a WoW hunter then finishing of that player running away from the battle due to low HP by popping Aspect of cheeter (+30% run speed) and then arcane shot (powerful insta shot).
I just got into WAR beta 2 days ago.... only played about a hour as a squib herder (closest to hunter in WAR AFAIK) I dont think I can say any more.. but I have yet to test out WAR PvP... but so far I have no plans to cancel my wow account.
I don't know about any of the other War supporters on this thread.. but I sincerely hope ZERO people drop their WoW accounts to play War. Why? cause I could care less. As far as I can tell the War community isn't going around to WoW forums posting that WoW should be more like War... but on the War forums... everyday theres some guy that thinks WoW is the best thing to grace MMO's and before WoW.. the world didn't exist.. and therefore War should pay tribute to its Daddy WoW and emulate the good aspects that people like there. But War still has alot of supporters... WEIRD
WoW was not the first do to anything... it copied other people... therefore no matter what War does.. its not copying WoW... and therefore if its not like like WoW enough for you... then play WoW...
IF ANYTHING... War is NOT copying DAoC by not having instant cast spells in there RvR... which I think they learned a very key lesson from.. and have tons more experience in then anyone else on the market.
I don't know about any of the other War supporters on this thread.. but I sincerely hope ZERO people drop their WoW accounts to play War. Why? cause I could care less. As far as I can tell the War community isn't going around to WoW forums posting that WoW should be more like War... but on the War forums... everyday theres some guy that thinks WoW is the best thing to grace MMO's and before WoW.. the world didn't exist.. and therefore War should pay tribute to its Daddy WoW and emulate the good aspects that people like there. But War still has alot of supporters... WEIRD WoW was not the first do to anything... it copied other people... therefore no matter what War does.. its not copying WoW... and therefore if its not like like WoW enough for you... then play WoW... IF ANYTHING... War is NOT copying DAoC by not having instant cast spells in there RvR... which I think they learned a very key lesson from.. and have tons more experience in then anyone else on the market.
I'm just as annoyed by these half-wits as you are, but we can't forget that for a lot of these kiddies, WoW IS the be-all and end-all of their MMORPG experience because its the only MMORPG they've ever played. I don't think WoW is a bad game by any means, but as a WAR fan, it has no bearing on my life how many subs they have or why people who play WoW play it. It just strikes me as odd that people allegedly so content with the game they currently play would spend so much time on forums like these trying to rile up fans of other games. Now, let's stop talking about WoW before we start putting everyone to sleep.
From what I understand it doesn't have them... and will play more like DAOC than WOW. My son tried DAOC after playing WOW for a year and he disliked it for the same reason.... hated having to stop moving to cast spells. Its just a personal preference, and a person who learned their PVP on WOW first (like he did) probably would dislike this system.
Doesn't mean everyone will, and the problem is easily solved by playing a Warrior.... just smack em with your big axe.....
or.... don't play WAR.... see....plenty of good options....
BTW, I'm sure if Mythic got at least 500K to 1M subs they would be satisfied.... (not thrilled mind you...but would still call the game a success)
But OP, please don't call yourself hardcore PVP if WOW is your barometer...all your ranks mean is you blew a lot of time in the BG's...you could have reached those ranks losing more than 50% of your fights.... hardly a proof of prowess I assure you....
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There should be some servers extra for wow gamers, to spare the other players. On a whfwgs (warhammer for wow gamers server) its allowed (and desired) to start discussions every 5min, how leet they all were in wow. I should suggest that.
There should be some servers extra for wow gamers, to spare the other players. On a whfwgs (warhammer for wow gamers server) its allowed (and desired) to start discussions every 5min, how leet they all were in wow. I should suggest that. @OP: 9million, 9million, 9million!!
I'd definately support that... and when server select time came... stay CLEAR away from those. I played WoW... and for some time to.. but so damn sick of people talking like its the only thing to happen to MMO's since UO.
From what I understand it doesn't have them... and will play more like DAOC than WOW. My son tried DAOC after playing WOW for a year and he disliked it for the same reason.... hated having to stop moving to cast spells. Its just a personal preference, and a person who learned their PVP on WOW first (like he did) probably would dislike this system. Doesn't mean everyone will, and the problem is easily solved by playing a Warrior.... just smack em with your big axe..... or.... don't play WAR.... see....plenty of good options.... BTW, I'm sure if Mythic got at least 500K to 1M subs they would be satisfied.... (not thrilled mind you...but would still call the game a success) But OP, please don't call yourself hardcore PVP if WOW is your barometer...all your ranks mean is you blew a lot of time in the BG's...you could have reached those ranks losing more than 50% of your fights.... hardly a proof of prowess I assure you....
Arena's are skill. There's no reward in arena for "time put in". Unless you are cheating or abusing... a top arena rank is very hardcore.
At convention I was able to nuke at a tank while he was chopping me down with no interuption at all and coming from Daoc I thought that was a big change already. Anything more with instant spells would make pvp too easy and boring.
From what I understand it doesn't have them... and will play more like DAOC than WOW. My son tried DAOC after playing WOW for a year and he disliked it for the same reason.... hated having to stop moving to cast spells. Its just a personal preference, and a person who learned their PVP on WOW first (like he did) probably would dislike this system. Doesn't mean everyone will, and the problem is easily solved by playing a Warrior.... just smack em with your big axe..... or.... don't play WAR.... see....plenty of good options.... BTW, I'm sure if Mythic got at least 500K to 1M subs they would be satisfied.... (not thrilled mind you...but would still call the game a success) But OP, please don't call yourself hardcore PVP if WOW is your barometer...all your ranks mean is you blew a lot of time in the BG's...you could have reached those ranks losing more than 50% of your fights.... hardly a proof of prowess I assure you....
Arena's are skill. There's no reward in arena for "time put in". Unless you are cheating or abusing... a top arena rank is very hardcore.
LOL the arena itself isn't a time-sink... its the 3 years of prior raiding.. and 2 more years of raiding you'll have to do just to keep up in Arenas.
Besides.. the OP wasn't even talking about arenas.. he obviously played before arenas because he was refering to ranks in numbers... aka champion, centurion, High Warlord... back in the old Honor rank system.
So your deciding factor when looking at a new game is whether or not it will have instant cast spells? You can't wait 1 second or 2 seconds to do something?
Yes, exactly. And yes, I can wait. It's my opponents who wont be able to - they just will kill me...
And the main problem (not for me but for Mythic) it's not only me who thinks the same way. Competition, you know. I dont think EA will be very happy if WAR will become another EverQuest with half a million subscribers...
Your enemy won't have insta spells either so you'll both have to wait. Sounds like you're someone whos used to insta kill and thats the only way you know how to pvp. Well back before WoW it took time and a thought process to kill people in PvP, and it was more fun that way. And how you see a resemblance between WAR and EQ is beyond me. You obviously didn't play EQ or haven't read anything about WAR.
Edit: I would also like to add that subscription numbers don't make a game good, my personal theory is that they have high numbers because of availability, Warcraft title, and the fact that my 10 year old sister is able to play that game. Making a game easy and quick is a good way to get quick subsribers, but that doesn't make it a good game. If you prefer WoW's PvP over DAoC's PvP then you obvsiouly aren't very good at real pvp. Talk about numbers all you want but I'm at least one person paying my money to EA for DAoC rather than WoW.
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Sounds good that WAR will not be about mages running into crowds of people spamming arcane explosion. Guess you need to stick with WoW if you prefer instant spamming over and over and over instead of tactics.
It's obvious you never were a pvp guru in WoW. I got 11, 12 and 13 rank warriors in WoW and never had any problems with mages spamming instants. These were all those instants that made WoW so unique and attractive. And popular too. I'd say no pvp freak like me will play any other type of game after trying WoW. So WAR wont have us. And it's about millions players i'd say...
ROFL @ your rank 13 warriors. It only takes time and no skill to reach that rank. No offense, but any trained monkey taught to run around and spam the kill button (really don't have to do that either) in WoW BGs can get to rank 13. So in the future you shouldn't brag about something that proves you did nothing but sink time into WoW BGs.
And apparently you don't comprehend what I was saying about mages as it is simply a reference to one of many examples of instant cast spells among different classes. Oh well.
I prefer instant cast only for buffs. Vanguard has a mix of instant and timed. I do find it a little strange that I could just run at full speed and throw spells around as long as I am facing the general direction. I would like to see more powerful spells that take a chain or length of time but it means the victim also has a chance to dodge, hide or deflect. A battle longer than 5 seconds would be nice
Hate to break it to you but games like Legends of Mir 2 have far more subscribers than WoW.
And actually, WAR will most likely take a small percentage of players from about 50 different games, so again incorrect. On another note, WoW Pvp rankings in no way have anything to do with skill so I don't know why you would use that argument for anything. It was just another grind implemented by Blizzard.
Man, dont mix up a Korean/Chinese free online games market with a western MMORPG market.
And thats another evidence you werent a great pvper in WoW - no good WoW pvper could ever say Honor System had nothing with skill... I knew alotta examples when freshly made 14 rank teams just destroyed honor farming premades...
Really? That's mythic's main problem? To attract players from the WoW fanboi base because they have none of their own? And here all this time I thought for the past 25 years Warhammer had it's own fanbase. My bad man. I guess WoW just dominates with yet another thing over WAR in terms of not only having "Superior" PvP and "Superior" graphics but also a superior fan base because we all know how much longer WoW has had a fanbase over WAR don't we?
Man, 90% of present wowers never played any Blizzard RTS...
Hate to break it to you but games like Legends of Mir 2 have far more subscribers than WoW.
And actually, WAR will most likely take a small percentage of players from about 50 different games, so again incorrect. On another note, WoW Pvp rankings in no way have anything to do with skill so I don't know why you would use that argument for anything. It was just another grind implemented by Blizzard.
Man, dont mix up a Korean/Chinese free online games market with a western MMORPG market.
And thats another evidence you werent a great pvper in WoW - no good WoW pvper could ever say Honor System had nothing with skill... I knew alotta examples when freshly made 14 rank teams just destroyed honor farming premades...
Man there is no reasoning with this guy... he keeps falling back to WoW standards.... Lets all just respond with ...
"GO PLAY WOW THEN"
everytime he says anything about WoW or WoW PvP... or really says anything at all.
I don't know about any of the other War supporters on this thread.. but I sincerely hope ZERO people drop their WoW accounts to play War. Why? cause I could care less. As far as I can tell the War community isn't going around to WoW forums posting that WoW should be more like War... but on the War forums... everyday theres some guy that thinks WoW is the best thing to grace MMO's and before WoW.. the world didn't exist.. and therefore War should pay tribute to its Daddy WoW and emulate the good aspects that people like there. But War still has alot of supporters... WEIRD WoW was not the first do to anything... it copied other people... therefore no matter what War does.. its not copying WoW... and therefore if its not like like WoW enough for you... then play WoW... IF ANYTHING... War is NOT copying DAoC by not having instant cast spells in there RvR... which I think they learned a very key lesson from.. and have tons more experience in then anyone else on the market.
Hehe, man, the truth is i'm not a wower anymore. I stoped to play it like 3 months ago because it's become more like a sport than a war... World of Cybersportcraft, i'd say. But it doesnt mean I dont like its gameplay - I just hate its pvp system...
My personal opinion would probably revolve around what kind of spell it was. Large AoE spells should definitely have the longer cast times while buffs and stances have shorter.
Once again I cite Guild Wars. There are a plethora of skills that had instant cast. There are a plethora of skills that took time to cast/use. I think the longest of them were like 5 seconds. Shortest were things like stances. So short couldn't be interrupted.
Cool downs are pretty short compared to other games also. 60 seconds I think is the largest cool down. This made for what I thought was engaging PvP. Highly competitive. Fast Pace while being tactical at the same time.
The problem I had with Guild Wars though is that it contained too many cookie cutter builds. Last time I played everyone was using the same thing. You would see mirror matches. Something that rarely happened in the beginning. Like everyone was reading from the same book or something.
Anyhow, I think a mix of things would serve best. Makes for better game play by having a variety of options. But...and this but is large, should be balanced in a way that any one can beat anyone. Even playing field. No way do I think that casters should dominate melee. Which incidentally is where I think most MMO's fail in there attempt at PvP (structered pvp that is). In world pvp it matters less because you may be facing a higher/lower lvl anyway and that pretty much guarantees who's gonna win.
I don't know about any of the other War supporters on this thread.. but I sincerely hope ZERO people drop their WoW accounts to play War. Why? cause I could care less. As far as I can tell the War community isn't going around to WoW forums posting that WoW should be more like War... but on the War forums... everyday theres some guy that thinks WoW is the best thing to grace MMO's and before WoW.. the world didn't exist.. and therefore War should pay tribute to its Daddy WoW and emulate the good aspects that people like there. But War still has alot of supporters... WEIRD WoW was not the first do to anything... it copied other people... therefore no matter what War does.. its not copying WoW... and therefore if its not like like WoW enough for you... then play WoW... IF ANYTHING... War is NOT copying DAoC by not having instant cast spells in there RvR... which I think they learned a very key lesson from.. and have tons more experience in then anyone else on the market.
Hehe, man, the truth is i'm not a wower anymore. I stoped to play it like 3 months ago because it's become more like a sport than a war... World of Cybersportcraft, i'd say. But it doesnt mean I dont like its gameplay - I just hate its pvp system...
GO PLAY WOW THEN ! INSTANT CAST SPELLS FTW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hehe, man, the truth is i'm not a wower anymore. I stoped to play it like 3 months ago because it's become more like a sport than a war... World of Cybersportcraft, i'd say. But it doesnt mean I dont like its gameplay - I just hate its pvp system...
LOL MAN. You stop playing because its now a sport instead of a war. When was it ever a war? Nothing has changed in WoW other than a new BG to grind for gear. Its PvP system went from grinding honor to grinding tokens to turn in. Same BGs, same grind, same gear, same time sink, just a different way of getting it through tokens instead of ranks.
LOL, most PvP'ers going for rank 14 would all agree to take turns at letting people get the honour for it. There wasn't any skill involved at all, i've read interviews on sites and in pcgamer woth guys that played 16 hours and more a day to attain rank 14. All they did was fight in the BG's to the point where they weren't sure what they were doing, they were like zombies juts running around killing and being killed.
Hehe, man, I'm a journalist myself. Journalists dont like a general truth - they need sensations... Because people want sensations.
Yes, farming 14 rank took ridiculous amount of playing time a day. But it doesnt mean it didnt take a skill...
From what I understand it doesn't have them... and will play more like DAOC than WOW. My son tried DAOC after playing WOW for a year and he disliked it for the same reason.... hated having to stop moving to cast spells. Its just a personal preference, and a person who learned their PVP on WOW first (like he did) probably would dislike this system. Doesn't mean everyone will, and the problem is easily solved by playing a Warrior.... just smack em with your big axe..... or.... don't play WAR.... see....plenty of good options.... BTW, I'm sure if Mythic got at least 500K to 1M subs they would be satisfied.... (not thrilled mind you...but would still call the game a success) But OP, please don't call yourself hardcore PVP if WOW is your barometer...all your ranks mean is you blew a lot of time in the BG's...you could have reached those ranks losing more than 50% of your fights.... hardly a proof of prowess I assure you....
Arena's are skill. There's no reward in arena for "time put in". Unless you are cheating or abusing... a top arena rank is very hardcore.
LOL the arena itself isn't a time-sink... its the 3 years of prior raiding.. and 2 more years of raiding you'll have to do just to keep up in Arenas.
Besides.. the OP wasn't even talking about arenas.. he obviously played before arenas because he was refering to ranks in numbers... aka champion, centurion, High Warlord... back in the old Honor rank system.
you dont need years of raiding to keep up in arenas... you need a good partner, a nice team combo and yes decent gear... there's good enough drops in 5man heroics and even the BoE craftable purples are good enough.
But sure if you start arenas now... most likely you will be heavily outgeared and wont reach the top 5%... and why should you considering the other teams have put some effort and time into getting there (unless you are very very "skilled" ofc). And I said 'top arena rank' because in the absolute top, every has the same gear and "skill" is a factor.
I know he didnt specify arena... but he quit 3 months ago so he must be aware arenas exist. I was just making a general comment about ppl claiming there is no "skill" whatsoever in WoW PvP
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Their are merits for insta spells and cast spells.
Dispite what some think insta casts do require "skill" ( i hate that word being used in MMO's), that WoW mage running at you probably has an insta cast all ready to go.. what do I do? run or fight? Even Insta cast spells in WoW have counters or pre-emtive counters.. such as spell reflect, silence, stuns, mana drain, running behind some gemoretry etc.
Cast spells slow the games down.. running around.... select target ....start cast. If I had to do that 100% of the time in WoW the battles would start to drag, nothing better as a WoW hunter then finishing of that player running away from the battle due to low HP by popping Aspect of cheeter (+30% run speed) and then arcane shot (powerful insta shot).
I just got into WAR beta 2 days ago.... only played about a hour as a squib herder (closest to hunter in WAR AFAIK) I dont think I can say any more.. but I have yet to test out WAR PvP... but so far I have no plans to cancel my wow account.
I don't know about any of the other War supporters on this thread.. but I sincerely hope ZERO people drop their WoW accounts to play War. Why? cause I could care less. As far as I can tell the War community isn't going around to WoW forums posting that WoW should be more like War... but on the War forums... everyday theres some guy that thinks WoW is the best thing to grace MMO's and before WoW.. the world didn't exist.. and therefore War should pay tribute to its Daddy WoW and emulate the good aspects that people like there. But War still has alot of supporters... WEIRD
WoW was not the first do to anything... it copied other people... therefore no matter what War does.. its not copying WoW... and therefore if its not like like WoW enough for you... then play WoW...
IF ANYTHING... War is NOT copying DAoC by not having instant cast spells in there RvR... which I think they learned a very key lesson from.. and have tons more experience in then anyone else on the market.
Mythic didnt make this game for u WoW fanboys lets get that straight first.
I'm just as annoyed by these half-wits as you are, but we can't forget that for a lot of these kiddies, WoW IS the be-all and end-all of their MMORPG experience because its the only MMORPG they've ever played. I don't think WoW is a bad game by any means, but as a WAR fan, it has no bearing on my life how many subs they have or why people who play WoW play it. It just strikes me as odd that people allegedly so content with the game they currently play would spend so much time on forums like these trying to rile up fans of other games. Now, let's stop talking about WoW before we start putting everyone to sleep.
From what I understand it doesn't have them... and will play more like DAOC than WOW. My son tried DAOC after playing WOW for a year and he disliked it for the same reason.... hated having to stop moving to cast spells. Its just a personal preference, and a person who learned their PVP on WOW first (like he did) probably would dislike this system.
Doesn't mean everyone will, and the problem is easily solved by playing a Warrior.... just smack em with your big axe.....
or.... don't play WAR.... see....plenty of good options....
BTW, I'm sure if Mythic got at least 500K to 1M subs they would be satisfied.... (not thrilled mind you...but would still call the game a success)
But OP, please don't call yourself hardcore PVP if WOW is your barometer...all your ranks mean is you blew a lot of time in the BG's...you could have reached those ranks losing more than 50% of your fights.... hardly a proof of prowess I assure you....
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There should be some servers extra for wow gamers, to spare the other players. On a whfwgs (warhammer for wow gamers server) its allowed (and desired) to start discussions every 5min, how leet they all were in wow. I should suggest that.
@OP: 9million, 9million, 9million!!
I'd definately support that... and when server select time came... stay CLEAR away from those. I played WoW... and for some time to.. but so damn sick of people talking like its the only thing to happen to MMO's since UO.
Arena's are skill. There's no reward in arena for "time put in". Unless you are cheating or abusing... a top arena rank is very hardcore.
At convention I was able to nuke at a tank while he was chopping me down with no interuption at all and coming from Daoc I thought that was a big change already. Anything more with instant spells would make pvp too easy and boring.
Arena's are skill. There's no reward in arena for "time put in". Unless you are cheating or abusing... a top arena rank is very hardcore.
LOL the arena itself isn't a time-sink... its the 3 years of prior raiding.. and 2 more years of raiding you'll have to do just to keep up in Arenas.
Besides.. the OP wasn't even talking about arenas.. he obviously played before arenas because he was refering to ranks in numbers... aka champion, centurion, High Warlord... back in the old Honor rank system.
Yes, exactly. And yes, I can wait. It's my opponents who wont be able to - they just will kill me...
And the main problem (not for me but for Mythic) it's not only me who thinks the same way. Competition, you know. I dont think EA will be very happy if WAR will become another EverQuest with half a million subscribers...
Your enemy won't have insta spells either so you'll both have to wait. Sounds like you're someone whos used to insta kill and thats the only way you know how to pvp. Well back before WoW it took time and a thought process to kill people in PvP, and it was more fun that way. And how you see a resemblance between WAR and EQ is beyond me. You obviously didn't play EQ or haven't read anything about WAR.
Edit: I would also like to add that subscription numbers don't make a game good, my personal theory is that they have high numbers because of availability, Warcraft title, and the fact that my 10 year old sister is able to play that game. Making a game easy and quick is a good way to get quick subsribers, but that doesn't make it a good game. If you prefer WoW's PvP over DAoC's PvP then you obvsiouly aren't very good at real pvp. Talk about numbers all you want but I'm at least one person paying my money to EA for DAoC rather than WoW.
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It's obvious you never were a pvp guru in WoW. I got 11, 12 and 13 rank warriors in WoW and never had any problems with mages spamming instants. These were all those instants that made WoW so unique and attractive. And popular too. I'd say no pvp freak like me will play any other type of game after trying WoW. So WAR wont have us. And it's about millions players i'd say...
ROFL @ your rank 13 warriors. It only takes time and no skill to reach that rank. No offense, but any trained monkey taught to run around and spam the kill button (really don't have to do that either) in WoW BGs can get to rank 13. So in the future you shouldn't brag about something that proves you did nothing but sink time into WoW BGs.
And apparently you don't comprehend what I was saying about mages as it is simply a reference to one of many examples of instant cast spells among different classes. Oh well.
I prefer instant cast only for buffs. Vanguard has a mix of instant and timed. I do find it a little strange that I could just run at full speed and throw spells around as long as I am facing the general direction. I would like to see more powerful spells that take a chain or length of time but it means the victim also has a chance to dodge, hide or deflect. A battle longer than 5 seconds would be nice
Man, dont mix up a Korean/Chinese free online games market with a western MMORPG market.
And thats another evidence you werent a great pvper in WoW - no good WoW pvper could ever say Honor System had nothing with skill... I knew alotta examples when freshly made 14 rank teams just destroyed honor farming premades...
Ye, thats why there are so many FPS players amongst WoW pvpers...
Man, 90% of present wowers never played any Blizzard RTS...
Man, dont mix up a Korean/Chinese free online games market with a western MMORPG market.
And thats another evidence you werent a great pvper in WoW - no good WoW pvper could ever say Honor System had nothing with skill... I knew alotta examples when freshly made 14 rank teams just destroyed honor farming premades...
Man there is no reasoning with this guy... he keeps falling back to WoW standards.... Lets all just respond with ...
"GO PLAY WOW THEN"
everytime he says anything about WoW or WoW PvP... or really says anything at all.
Link: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/141779
Hehe, man, the truth is i'm not a wower anymore. I stoped to play it like 3 months ago because it's become more like a sport than a war... World of Cybersportcraft, i'd say. But it doesnt mean I dont like its gameplay - I just hate its pvp system...
My personal opinion would probably revolve around what kind of spell it was. Large AoE spells should definitely have the longer cast times while buffs and stances have shorter.
Once again I cite Guild Wars. There are a plethora of skills that had instant cast. There are a plethora of skills that took time to cast/use. I think the longest of them were like 5 seconds. Shortest were things like stances. So short couldn't be interrupted.
Cool downs are pretty short compared to other games also. 60 seconds I think is the largest cool down. This made for what I thought was engaging PvP. Highly competitive. Fast Pace while being tactical at the same time.
The problem I had with Guild Wars though is that it contained too many cookie cutter builds. Last time I played everyone was using the same thing. You would see mirror matches. Something that rarely happened in the beginning. Like everyone was reading from the same book or something.
Anyhow, I think a mix of things would serve best. Makes for better game play by having a variety of options. But...and this but is large, should be balanced in a way that any one can beat anyone. Even playing field. No way do I think that casters should dominate melee. Which incidentally is where I think most MMO's fail in there attempt at PvP (structered pvp that is). In world pvp it matters less because you may be facing a higher/lower lvl anyway
and that pretty much guarantees who's gonna win.
Yes, it's another fenomenon -
wow players just dont almost attend other forums than wow ones. I see the same picture in Russian MMOG community...
Hehe, man, the truth is i'm not a wower anymore. I stoped to play it like 3 months ago because it's become more like a sport than a war... World of Cybersportcraft, i'd say. But it doesnt mean I dont like its gameplay - I just hate its pvp system...
GO PLAY WOW THEN ! INSTANT CAST SPELLS FTW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL MAN. You stop playing because its now a sport instead of a war. When was it ever a war? Nothing has changed in WoW other than a new BG to grind for gear. Its PvP system went from grinding honor to grinding tokens to turn in. Same BGs, same grind, same gear, same time sink, just a different way of getting it through tokens instead of ranks.
Hehe, man, I'm a journalist myself. Journalists dont like a general truth - they need sensations... Because people want sensations.
Yes, farming 14 rank took ridiculous amount of playing time a day. But it doesnt mean it didnt take a skill...
Arena's are skill. There's no reward in arena for "time put in". Unless you are cheating or abusing... a top arena rank is very hardcore.
LOL the arena itself isn't a time-sink... its the 3 years of prior raiding.. and 2 more years of raiding you'll have to do just to keep up in Arenas.
Besides.. the OP wasn't even talking about arenas.. he obviously played before arenas because he was refering to ranks in numbers... aka champion, centurion, High Warlord... back in the old Honor rank system.
you dont need years of raiding to keep up in arenas... you need a good partner, a nice team combo and yes decent gear... there's good enough drops in 5man heroics and even the BoE craftable purples are good enough.
But sure if you start arenas now... most likely you will be heavily outgeared and wont reach the top 5%... and why should you considering the other teams have put some effort and time into getting there (unless you are very very "skilled" ofc). And I said 'top arena rank' because in the absolute top, every has the same gear and "skill" is a factor.
I know he didnt specify arena... but he quit 3 months ago so he must be aware arenas exist. I was just making a general comment about ppl claiming there is no "skill" whatsoever in WoW PvP