I'm looking forward to both games and I have no idea. There seems to be a bit more information about WAR out there right now, so it's hard to even make a fair comparison. I think Aion may be a sleeper hit though.
Regardless I couldn't care less who win's the popularity contest, as long as the game I'm playing has enough players to keep my server healthy.
I think both WAR and Aion look amazing, however, if the standard stereotype of Korean MMO's play true with Aion, I think I may try it out but not actually get into it until other means of playing it come about. I'm not fully committed to WAR either, after years of playing WoW off and on and other MMO's I'm finding I have a generally bad taste in my mouth for MMO's at this point. All I can say is I hope these two games WOW me (Not World of Warcraft).
Aion was originally developed with Asian gamers in mind.
WAR was developed for the Western gamers.
WAR has a history of well over 10-20 years (not as a computer game, but still a history)
Aion doesn't.
Aion might look pretty, but couple that with mass pvp and you get...mass LAG. Not saying i'm not interested in the game though. I will definitely be checking it out.
Well Aion was and is being developed for both the asian and western market.
Lineage 2 had pretty damn good graphics for it's time and had lots of large scale pvp battles and worked just fine.
The art style of WAR just doesn't appeal to me even though the game got some nice ideas.
and... well I really don't care that much (of course I hope it will have alot of players since it seems like a really nice game) if Aion gets 100 000 players or 1 million as long as the server I will be playing on is populated enough.
"If I had a d*ck, I'd go get laid. But we can do that next best thing... Let's kill people."
Aion was originally developed with Asian & western gamers in mind. WAR was developed for the Western gamers. WAR has a history of well over 10-20 years (not as a computer game, but still a history) Aion doesn't. Aion might look pretty, but couple that with mass pvp and you get...mass LAG. Not saying i'm not interested in the game though. I will definitely be checking it out.
Fixed. Doing research before you post is important.
A lot of ppl like WAR, but if Aion is Advertised well enough , in the Official Release, it should OWN war... like a little puppy...
To early to tell since both game are 6 to 12 months away from release. Of course, as time passes and othe rgames are realeased, there is always a chance both games will continue to be delayed.
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
A lot of ppl like WAR, but if Aion is Advertised well enough , in the Official Release, it should OWN war... like a little puppy...
Aion is another Korean grinder (Yawn) sorry but thats not really very new or exciting even if the graphics are nice.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
How i love to see uninformed ppl talk like they know anything
i dunno about you guys but i can´t tell how a game will be just by looking at it.
and btw i love the look of aion,it reminds me of guildwars and i love guildwars for the fact that it is not a massive grinder,cause i don´t have a lot of time to kill same mob for 3hrs to gain a lvl.
Let´s wait till their releases and see for ourselves if they are what their hype tells us.
Yeah, I've heard they are trying their best to move away from the Asian grind mentality.
All games can get grindy, mind you, but if the combat is interesting enough, and if there is a good balance between solo and group play, I can see a lot of potential in this title.
A lot of ppl like WAR, but if Aion is Advertised well enough , in the Official Release, it should OWN war... like a little puppy...
Aion is another Korean grinder (Yawn) sorry but thats not really very new or exciting even if the graphics are nice.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
A lot of ppl like WAR, but if Aion is Advertised well enough , in the Official Release, it should OWN war... like a little puppy...
Aion is another Korean grinder (Yawn) sorry but thats not really very new or exciting even if the graphics are nice.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
I disagree. Lineage 2???
Played almost everything... Currently playing nothing... Waiting for: Darkfall, WAR, Guild Wars 2.
A lot of ppl like WAR, but if Aion is Advertised well enough , in the Official Release, it should OWN war... like a little puppy...
Aion is another Korean grinder (Yawn) sorry but thats not really very new or exciting even if the graphics are nice.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
I disagree. Lineage 2???
Lineage 2 did not do well, it just...did. It did not flop but it was not a smashing success, either. Hence why I said "done well." People are hyping Aion up to the level of being a huge success that will rival or surpass WAR, AoC, etc. Lineage 2 is far, far below their expected scale.
Also, it would be interesting to see how many accounts are real and how many are bots. I played it a few months past release and was shocked at the rampant botting, but I guess so long as the boters pay for the account, NCSoft does not care.
hmm im not a fan of war or aion either but i think at release ,war will have more players but in the end asia and western countries together will have more aion players ^^
ps: i hope anyone understands what i mean....bad english
hmm im not a fan of war or aion either but i think at release ,war will have more players but in the end asia and western countries together will have more aion players ^^
ps: i hope anyone understands what i mean....bad english
Now this I can agree with!
If one counts global totals, then yes, Aion should win, and win by a fairly large margin, I would guess. However, counting only North America, Europe, and Australia (essentially any non-Asian region), I do not think Aion stands a chance, though it also will not flop. It will become yet another Korean import that fares decently with the crowd who enjoys them, but it does appear that it will do better than its brethren.
So, globally, Aion. It simply is not even a fair contest. Locally, however, WAR all the way, unless it bombs way harder than I foresee.
Aion will beat WAR in the global Market. WAR will beat Aion in the Western Market. Overall I think Aion will end up with more subscribers but WAR will end up more profitable due to the difference in payment plans between the West and East.
A lot of ppl like WAR, but if Aion is Advertised well enough , in the Official Release, it should OWN war... like a little puppy...
Aion is another Korean grinder (Yawn) sorry but thats not really very new or exciting even if the graphics are nice.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
So to sum it up, you only went to the official website, did not look for any articles, did not bother to check any gameplay videos and basicly just pull the stereotype card?
If you HAD done any research you would have known.
- The game is build for a western and asian CASUAL audience. this already rules out any korean grinding.
- The game is build on WASD movement as opposed to point & click. while this doesn't say anything about grinding, it does show who the audience is.
- NCsoft has been advertising the game as a non - grinding MMORPG from the very beginning, look up at IGN.
- developers have said that they want to avoid number grinding as much as possible, they even rejected ideas like the WoW honor system because it involved grinding
- Developers have said in an interview that fighting monsters is definitly not the only thing you will be doing, there will be a large focus on world interaction, crafting and even playerhousing.
everything I have said here can be looked up and backed up by official information from NCsoft.
Aion is selling itself on much more than just graphics and flying. Something you would have known if you actually did a bit of research.
No foreign mmorpg has ever done well here? What a joke, Lineage 2 has been doing well for YEARS and outperforms many wetsern MMORPG's in terms of subscribers.
A lot of ppl like WAR, but if Aion is Advertised well enough , in the Official Release, it should OWN war... like a little puppy...
Aion is another Korean grinder (Yawn) sorry but thats not really very new or exciting even if the graphics are nice.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
Ouch! (Smackdown! )Looks like Gameloading just lost his bank account, but then again I'm betting he either doesn't even have one or has no money in it anyway.
Still Gameloading as Sornin beat me to it please feel free to forward your bank account to him. Don't worry you won't go hungry you got plenty of crow to eat !
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours. But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is. Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge. edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
So to sum it up, you only went to the official website, did not look for any articles, did not bother to check any gameplay videos and basicly just pull the stereotype card?
If you HAD done any research you would have known.
- The game is build for a western and asian CASUAL audience. this already rules out any korean grinding.
- The game is build on WASD movement as opposed to point & click. while this doesn't say anything about grinding, it does show who the audience is.
- NCsoft has been advertising the game as a non - grinding MMORPG from the very beginning, look up at IGN.
- developers have said that they want to avoid number grinding as much as possible, they even rejected ideas like the WoW honor system because it involved grinding
- Developers have said in an interview that fighting monsters is definitly not the only thing you will be doing, there will be a large focus on world interaction, crafting and even playerhousing.
everything I have said here can be looked up and backed up by official information from NCsoft.
Aion is selling itself on much more than just graphics and flying. Something you would have known if you actually did a bit of research.
No foreign mmorpg has ever done well here? What a joke, Lineage 2 has been doing well for YEARS and outperforms many wetsern MMORPG's in terms of subscribers.
1) how do you figure? I can casually gind out hundereds of low con critters may only take a hour or two (play 2 moons?) but its still a grind just maybe not a Hardcore raid grind ( Try reading instead of jumping to conculsions.)
2) One can have WASD movement and still be a huge grindfest. Your just wasting our time with this one while Koreans tend to excel in grind type of games there are western grind games like oh say early EQ. (hell even WoW's a grind game to me with the end game raid / faction grinds)
3) Um NCsoft is the publisher not the developer. Its not on the OFFICIAL site. The reason they call a site OFFICIAL is because thats were your most likely to get the official word and not just hype. Though in truth just look around at say Vanguard They Promised a ton of stuff many even listed on the box. Did it deliver even half of it on release? Do you believe everything thats advertised??? (hehe would explain why you bet your bank account)
4) Number systems do not = grinding. Grinding in most MMORPG's consists of doing repative actions over and over (like killing hundreds of mobs, or making a thousand nicknaks) to reach a certain goal. Once again your wasting our time with a fluff agruement that has nothing to do with real point
5) once again grinding is not just killing monsters its any massively repetative action, mining resoures over and over, making a thousand chairs, etc etc are all grinds the only different is its a craft level/skill grind compared to say a adventuring skill/level grind. The main thing with grinding is its a repetative action that soon becomes fairly boring for many.
6) Ncsoft is not the developer and really you can't say they are official that once again would be things pretaining to the official site which you seem to dislike and not visit. Ncsofts job is to market the game and keep the servers operational (depending on contract and agreements generally speaking) As such they would promise you the moon if it would sell the game and they thought they could get away with it. (Once again check out vanguard or even AO on release.)
Lastly you bought the hype (much like the OP who believe everyone with a opinion different then his is a dumbass). You believe everything a non-official site has told you hook line and sinker without ever playing the game. Guess you've never bought a game that didn't delivery and live up to the hype. (lucky you)
You haven't proved you know anything just that you believe everything you hear and as such I'd have to say your a Tool
Linage2 as Sornin said is not doing WELL its doing average in the US look it up and compare it to say the top 3-4 western MMORPG's. As a example take DAoC (made by Mythic that is making WAR) its done better in western sells then linage2.
Also you totally glossed over the very real point that Hgih level graphics tend to require better computers and graphic cards this does further limite Aion's customer base. (Hell VG might well have the best graphics but since it still runs like a slug on recommended systems most people will never know) I don't think anyones agrueing that Aoin has nice high detail pretty graphics and if thats all thats important to you and you have the computer that can run it have fun. (oh but you still owe Sornin that dollar and 25 cents you have in your bank account )
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I'm looking forward to both games and I have no idea. There seems to be a bit more information about WAR out there right now, so it's hard to even make a fair comparison. I think Aion may be a sleeper hit though.
Regardless I couldn't care less who win's the popularity contest, as long as the game I'm playing has enough players to keep my server healthy.
I think both WAR and Aion look amazing, however, if the standard stereotype of Korean MMO's play true with Aion, I think I may try it out but not actually get into it until other means of playing it come about. I'm not fully committed to WAR either, after years of playing WoW off and on and other MMO's I'm finding I have a generally bad taste in my mouth for MMO's at this point. All I can say is I hope these two games WOW me (Not World of Warcraft).
Aion was originally developed with Asian gamers in mind.
WAR was developed for the Western gamers.
WAR has a history of well over 10-20 years (not as a computer game, but still a history)
Aion doesn't.
Aion might look pretty, but couple that with mass pvp and you get...mass LAG. Not saying i'm not interested in the game though. I will definitely be checking it out.
Interesting Posts,
and I would have to agree with them,
Thanks for the feedback!
Well Aion was and is being developed for both the asian and western market.
Lineage 2 had pretty damn good graphics for it's time and had lots of large scale pvp battles and worked just fine.
The art style of WAR just doesn't appeal to me even though the game got some nice ideas.
and... well I really don't care that much (of course I hope it will have alot of players since it seems like a really nice game) if Aion gets 100 000 players or 1 million as long as the server I will be playing on is populated enough.
"If I had a d*ck, I'd go get laid. But we can do that next best thing... Let's kill people."
Your statement is only partly correct. Aion is being developed both with western and eastern gamers in mind, which WAR is not.
Fixed. Doing research before you post is important.
To early to tell since both game are 6 to 12 months away from release. Of course, as time passes and othe rgames are realeased, there is always a chance both games will continue to be delayed.
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
No Aion will definetly not beat WAR in population. But Aion will beat WAR on the quality of players. WAR players = wow players. Ends there really
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
How i love to see uninformed ppl talk like they know anything
i dunno about you guys but i can´t tell how a game will be just by looking at it.
and btw i love the look of aion,it reminds me of guildwars and i love guildwars for the fact that it is not a massive grinder,cause i don´t have a lot of time to kill same mob for 3hrs to gain a lvl.
Let´s wait till their releases and see for ourselves if they are what their hype tells us.
that´s all folks XD
Yeah, I've heard they are trying their best to move away from the Asian grind mentality.
All games can get grindy, mind you, but if the combat is interesting enough, and if there is a good balance between solo and group play, I can see a lot of potential in this title.
Aion is another Korean grinder (Yawn) sorry but thats not really very new or exciting even if the graphics are nice.Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
I like both equally and am anticipating them.
But WAR will definately have more players than Aion... Kinda like WoW vs EQ. The name will also sell
Played almost everything...
Currently playing nothing...
Waiting for: Darkfall, WAR, Guild Wars 2.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
I disagree. Lineage 2???
Played almost everything...
Currently playing nothing...
Waiting for: Darkfall, WAR, Guild Wars 2.
Warhammer is going to blow aion away IMO. Only time will tell ,but it looks like warhammers going to do very well.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
I disagree. Lineage 2???
Lineage 2 did not do well, it just...did. It did not flop but it was not a smashing success, either. Hence why I said "done well." People are hyping Aion up to the level of being a huge success that will rival or surpass WAR, AoC, etc. Lineage 2 is far, far below their expected scale.
Also, it would be interesting to see how many accounts are real and how many are bots. I played it a few months past release and was shocked at the rampant botting, but I guess so long as the boters pay for the account, NCSoft does not care.
hmm im not a fan of war or aion either but i think at release ,war will have more players but in the end asia and western countries together will have more aion players ^^
ps: i hope anyone understands what i mean....bad english
Now this I can agree with!
If one counts global totals, then yes, Aion should win, and win by a fairly large margin, I would guess. However, counting only North America, Europe, and Australia (essentially any non-Asian region), I do not think Aion stands a chance, though it also will not flop. It will become yet another Korean import that fares decently with the crowd who enjoys them, but it does appear that it will do better than its brethren.
So, globally, Aion. It simply is not even a fair contest. Locally, however, WAR all the way, unless it bombs way harder than I foresee.
Aion will beat WAR in the global Market. WAR will beat Aion in the Western Market. Overall I think Aion will end up with more subscribers but WAR will end up more profitable due to the difference in payment plans between the West and East.
War Beta Tester
Aion is another Korean grinder (Yawn) sorry but thats not really very new or exciting even if the graphics are nice.Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
So to sum it up, you only went to the official website, did not look for any articles, did not bother to check any gameplay videos and basicly just pull the stereotype card?
If you HAD done any research you would have known.
- The game is build for a western and asian CASUAL audience. this already rules out any korean grinding.
- The game is build on WASD movement as opposed to point & click. while this doesn't say anything about grinding, it does show who the audience is.
- NCsoft has been advertising the game as a non - grinding MMORPG from the very beginning, look up at IGN.
- developers have said that they want to avoid number grinding as much as possible, they even rejected ideas like the WoW honor system because it involved grinding
- Developers have said in an interview that fighting monsters is definitly not the only thing you will be doing, there will be a large focus on world interaction, crafting and even playerhousing.
everything I have said here can be looked up and backed up by official information from NCsoft.
Aion is selling itself on much more than just graphics and flying. Something you would have known if you actually did a bit of research.
No foreign mmorpg has ever done well here? What a joke, Lineage 2 has been doing well for YEARS and outperforms many wetsern MMORPG's in terms of subscribers.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll
Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours.
But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is.
Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge.
edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
Ouch! (Smackdown!Still Gameloading as Sornin beat me to it please feel free to forward your bank account to him
. Don't worry you won't go hungry you got plenty of crow to eat !
So to sum it up, you only went to the official website, did not look for any articles, did not bother to check any gameplay videos and basicly just pull the stereotype card?
If you HAD done any research you would have known.
- The game is build for a western and asian CASUAL audience. this already rules out any korean grinding.
- The game is build on WASD movement as opposed to point & click. while this doesn't say anything about grinding, it does show who the audience is.
- NCsoft has been advertising the game as a non - grinding MMORPG from the very beginning, look up at IGN.
- developers have said that they want to avoid number grinding as much as possible, they even rejected ideas like the WoW honor system because it involved grinding
- Developers have said in an interview that fighting monsters is definitly not the only thing you will be doing, there will be a large focus on world interaction, crafting and even playerhousing.
everything I have said here can be looked up and backed up by official information from NCsoft.
Aion is selling itself on much more than just graphics and flying. Something you would have known if you actually did a bit of research.
No foreign mmorpg has ever done well here? What a joke, Lineage 2 has been doing well for YEARS and outperforms many wetsern MMORPG's in terms of subscribers.
1) how do you figure? I can casually gind out hundereds of low con critters may only take a hour or two (play 2 moons?) but its still a grind just maybe not a Hardcore raid grind ( Try reading instead of jumping to conculsions.)
2) One can have WASD movement and still be a huge grindfest. Your just wasting our time with this one while Koreans tend to excel in grind type of games there are western grind games like oh say early EQ. (hell even WoW's a grind game to me with the end game raid / faction grinds)
3) Um NCsoft is the publisher not the developer. Its not on the OFFICIAL site. The reason they call a site OFFICIAL is because thats were your most likely to get the official word and not just hype. Though in truth just look around at say Vanguard They Promised a ton of stuff many even listed on the box. Did it deliver even half of it on release? Do you believe everything thats advertised??? (hehe would explain why you bet your bank account)
4) Number systems do not = grinding. Grinding in most MMORPG's consists of doing repative actions over and over (like killing hundreds of mobs, or making a thousand nicknaks) to reach a certain goal. Once again your wasting our time with a fluff agruement that has nothing to do with real point
5) once again grinding is not just killing monsters its any massively repetative action, mining resoures over and over, making a thousand chairs, etc etc are all grinds the only different is its a craft level/skill grind compared to say a adventuring skill/level grind. The main thing with grinding is its a repetative action that soon becomes fairly boring for many.
6) Ncsoft is not the developer and really you can't say they are official that once again would be things pretaining to the official site which you seem to dislike and not visit. Ncsofts job is to market the game and keep the servers operational (depending on contract and agreements generally speaking) As such they would promise you the moon if it would sell the game and they thought they could get away with it. (Once again check out vanguard or even AO on release.)
Lastly you bought the hype (much like the OP who believe everyone with a opinion different then his is a dumbass). You believe everything a non-official site has told you hook line and sinker without ever playing the game. Guess you've never bought a game that didn't delivery and live up to the hype. (lucky you)
You haven't proved you know anything just that you believe everything you hear and as such I'd have to say your a Tool
Linage2 as Sornin said is not doing WELL its doing average in the US look it up and compare it to say the top 3-4 western MMORPG's. As a example take DAoC (made by Mythic that is making WAR) its done better in western sells then linage2.
Also you totally glossed over the very real point that Hgih level graphics tend to require better computers and graphic cards this does further limite Aion's customer base. (Hell VG might well have the best graphics but since it still runs like a slug on recommended systems most people will never know) I don't think anyones agrueing that Aoin has nice high detail pretty graphics and if thats all thats important to you and you have the computer that can run it have fun. (oh but you still owe Sornin that dollar and 25 cents you have in your bank account
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id say WAR for just the sole reason of the name and who is making it.