Originally posted by alyndale Originally posted by powerpolk What do you guys think? Aion Beats WAR?A lot of ppl like WAR, but if Aion is Advertised well enough , in the Official Release, it should OWN war... like a little puppy...
To be very honest and frank here., it is way too early to tell. The way games are being held back and jocking for release position for 2008, Aion may not see the light of day until Q 1 or 2 2009. Additionally, why does it matter how many play Game x or Game y? Enjoy the game that you have invested money and time. NOw, maybe this is advise coming from an adult here that understands that these games are not real, but an escape for a time away from th maddening real world. But, generally, I don't give 2 buckets of spit about who has the most subscriptions. Just relax and enjoy the game you want to play and don't get suckered into an immature gaming discussion about which game is better.
I agree totally. It seems to me that the discussion on this site is becoming more and more a waste of time. i feel this way because (made up on the spot) 80% of the post I read are either the elitist fanboi troll bashing a game, the self proclaimed know it all making outrageous comparisons. All and all, it's starting to get a bit repetitive with nearly every topic being the same crap. It's kinda like being at that party last week and told the same story like 50 times.
Lineage 2 did not do well, it just...did. It did not flop but it was not a smashing success, either. Hence why I said "done well." People are hyping Aion up to the level of being a huge success that will rival or surpass WAR, AoC, etc. Lineage 2 is far, far below their expected scale. Also, it would be interesting to see how many accounts are real and how many are bots. I played it a few months past release and was shocked at the rampant botting, but I guess so long as the boters pay for the account, NCSoft does not care.
L2 at its peak have over 2 million subs (2.5?) worldwide. I think that qualifies it for more then "just... did".
Bots...people with your bots...they are in all MMO's, go whine on a blizzard forum about them, they have more bots then anyone else.
Aion overall?
It depends on how it does in Asia. Its not going to out-do WAR here in the western market. It doesn't have the recognition WAR does. Warhammer is a very strong franchise but that could be its undoing as well. Mythic has also run its only MMO into the ground so their track record ain't so great considering Lineage 1 is still over a million subs and its much older. NCSoft has a much better management track record overall.
If you go on the WAR site, they are over 440k beta applications alone. I think thats a pretty good indicator on how strong it will do IF they don't screw the pooch on launch. Which is a possibilty...one thing western companies have show us over and over is they can't launch a game worth a poop.
AION will hold its own in the western market. It looks like NCSoft has learned the grind leason. At least thats what they are saying. They don't have a habit of misleading the customers like Turbine or SOE do. Seeing how CoX and GW have turned out I don't think it will be an issue. Not so sure on Tabula Rasa, I think old Rich may have screwed up with that one.
I don't think so because alot more people are talking about WAR right now. But I do think Aion is going to be good. I just think the population will be smaller.
A lot of ppl like WAR, but if Aion is Advertised well enough , in the Official Release, it should OWN war... like a little puppy...
Aion is another Korean grinder (Yawn) sorry but thats not really very new or exciting even if the graphics are nice.
Interesting to see you think everyone that doesn't agree with your fanboi opinion is a dumbass. Nice Poll Please let us know how long you've played both these games to support your Hype.
And another person who has not done any research on the gamewhatsoever, Let me guess, you looked at the game, noticed its from korea and immidiatly assumed its a grindfest? If not, I'd love to hear how you come to the conclusion its going to be a grindfest, although I'm willing to bet my bank account that you' just stereotype.
The game is currently selling itself on graphics and flying as per its official website. Neither of those things inspire confidence that this game will be anything more than another Korean grinder. Awesome graphics, definitely, but deep gameplay? Doubtful. I am beginning to think Korean games are incapable of providing that to Western audiences, as they seem to focus on beauty (and lack of character customization...they seem to love uniformity), simplicity, weird quirks, and mass monster rape with few other endeavours. But, right now I am only going upon what little information exists. Still, if they want to hook someone who cares about how the game plays rather than how easily one can jack off to pretty anime characters while pretending to be some emo angel, they should tout real gameplay features and what the point of the game is. Anyway, my prediction is that Aion does poorly here but cleans house in Asia, while WAR does well here but does poorly in Asia. No foreign MMO has ever done well in the monthly subscription market here, and I do not foresee a change soon. The fundamental differences between us and them in terms of MMO preferences are very hard to bridge. edit: Furthermore, with great graphics comes great system requirements. The higher those go, the fewer potential customers you have. In Asia, this is not a large deal, because most people play at cybercafes that have great gaming rigs. Here, it is a big deal, because not everyone is going to have a machine capable of running "cutting-edge" games and we do not have that cybercafe culture. One of the reasons WoW did well was that it could be run on almost any computer. WAR is following a similar path, with graphics that get the job done but are certainly not cutting-edge.
I disagree. Lineage 2???
Lineage 2 never did exceptionally well in the Western markets. It was and still remains a big hit in Asian but subs in the US and Europe never reached past a few hundred thousand at it's height with both US and European markets combined.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Originally posted by Torak Originally posted by Sornin
Lineage 2 did not do well, it just...did. It did not flop but it was not a smashing success, either. Hence why I said "done well." People are hyping Aion up to the level of being a huge success that will rival or surpass WAR, AoC, etc. Lineage 2 is far, far below their expected scale. Also, it would be interesting to see how many accounts are real and how many are bots. I played it a few months past release and was shocked at the rampant botting, but I guess so long as the boters pay for the account, NCSoft does not care.
L2 at its peak have over 2 million subs (2.5?) worldwide.
A large chunk of that includes Asia. Take away the Asian market and you'll see that the US and European markets for L2 were not that great at all.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Lineage 2 did not do well, it just...did. It did not flop but it was not a smashing success, either. Hence why I said "done well." People are hyping Aion up to the level of being a huge success that will rival or surpass WAR, AoC, etc. Lineage 2 is far, far below their expected scale.
Also, it would be interesting to see how many accounts are real and how many are bots. I played it a few months past release and was shocked at the rampant botting, but I guess so long as the boters pay for the account, NCSoft does not care.
L2 at its peak have over 2 million subs (2.5?) worldwide.
A large chunk of that includes Asia. Take away the Asian market and you'll see that the US and European markets for L2 were not that great at all.
Yes, we know
WoW's 8 or 9 million isn't all westerners either.
The U.S. and EU only account for roughly 2 million apiece, the rest are Asians but I don't see anyone bothering to sort them out. WoW just gets the big epeen slap on the back for the total number because its a western game.
Lineage 2 did not do well, it just...did. It did not flop but it was not a smashing success, either. Hence why I said "done well." People are hyping Aion up to the level of being a huge success that will rival or surpass WAR, AoC, etc. Lineage 2 is far, far below their expected scale.
Also, it would be interesting to see how many accounts are real and how many are bots. I played it a few months past release and was shocked at the rampant botting, but I guess so long as the boters pay for the account, NCSoft does not care.
L2 at its peak have over 2 million subs (2.5?) worldwide.
A large chunk of that includes Asia. Take away the Asian market and you'll see that the US and European markets for L2 were not that great at all.
Yes, we know
WoW's 8 or 9 million isn't all westerners either.
The U.S. and EU only account for roughly 2 million apiece, the rest are Asians but I don't see anyone bothering to sort them out. WoW just gets the big epeen slap on the back for the total number because its a western game.
Actually alot of people pay attention to that. Will aion beat warhammer in total number? Its a possibility in TOTAL number but in the western market? Not a chance.
The U.S. and EU only account for roughly 2 million apiece, the rest are Asians but I don't see anyone bothering to sort them out. WoW just gets the big epeen slap on the back for the total number because its a western game.
Actually alot of people pay attention to that. Will aion beat warhammer in total number? Its a possibility in TOTAL number but in the western market? Not a chance.
Yes, I acknoledged that here. Thats what happens when we get the same thread with a different title
The point was about his number thing with L2. Its ok to quote 9mil for WoW but when you talk about a game someone doesn't like, suddenly they want a zip code breakdown of the subscribers.
You could just as easily spin that number to say that WoW isn't as successful in the west as in Asia based on the breakdown. Given that no western game has had any impact in Asia even though some have tried, you can't use the "more population" argument either. In the end, I stick by my original post which is here...
I think war will be WOW 2.0. I do not want to play wow 2.0, i do not want to spend my time with wow kids.
I dont care if Aion is grindy, all mmorpg's are grindy. What i care for is how good the gamplay is, community and how well we can group, i dont see any point in playing a solo mmorpg, really dont. Thats why these new quest driven games sucks so bad.
Aion or TCOS for me, possibly AOC but i dont really look forward to that game either.
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Judging from the traffic on this site from the front page, Aion doesn't look well off with mmorpg.com visitors. Only 1200 people hyped the game, yet hardly anyone visits the forum section - which is a shame.
EA will promote WAR big time, especially with recent reports that the game plays and feels like WoW.
Aion will probably have more depth to it being more of a traditional mmorpg with regards to War, giving more longevity. War is looking very mainstream and familiar, its obvious who it will pull in.
But right now, its not really being talked about enough in the media from what I can see.
War will do better. Aion might be a better MMORPG but WAR already has the market appeal especially here in the west. It also has fortunatate in that WoW basically used the WAR style so it is "familiar" to all markets now.
WAR will also do much better cross genre as its playstyle will appeal to PvP/shooter types as well as WoW players and MMOers.
Because of all of this, WAR stands a very good chance of doing well in Asia also.
However, it is being run by Mythic/EA. If anything un-does WAR, it will be that. Mythic destroyed their only MMO (DAoC) and EA isn't known for its great handling of games.
Either way, it looks like we may be in store for 2 very good MMO's. That in itself would be a very nice change of pace. I'm glad we might actually have 2 MMO's worth arguing over which is better. As customers, we haven't had that in a very long time.
No Aion will definetly not beat WAR in population. But Aion will beat WAR on the quality of players. WAR players = wow players. Ends there really
Haha.. Everyone always posts what I was going to before I do. xD
I agree with this.. and with the statements that 'as long has my server has enough population to keep to 'healthy' I really don't care.' ^^
I do want to try both games though. And Warhammers advertising is MUCH better. They're having podcasts with detailed explanations and a main website run by the warhammer staff... Yeah, they're handling the market a lot better it seems.
WAR will have a massive initial amount of players, but the question is if those players will remain.
Will Aion be good enough to spread by word of mouth? I disctinctly remember a lack of advertising for Lineage II and often felt like there could be a much higher population if only the advertising was more effective; lets face it - over 80% of WOW players have never heard of Lineage II, or just think it's another "Korean Grinder" even though Lineage II is the game all those other "Korean grinders" try to emulate but fail; inevitably being lower quality.
I'm very interested in both games but I find Aion more appealing, perhaps it's because of the more mature graphics and excellent character design or the fact that I'm a big Lineage II fan. Why NCSoft would let Jake Song go and herald the Garriot brothers' Tablula Rasa is beyond me.
I actually like free PVP and death penalties and I'm dissapointed that Aion and WAR seem to be RVR only; without free PVP or death penalties MMOs lack meaning (to me). It is irritating when you can't kill annoying people of your own race.
Aion could beat WAR in population of players. After Vanguard I feel the western mmorpg industry is a little depressed, so I hope both games do well and motivate more developers to make better mmorpgs.
WAR will have a massive initial amount of players, but the question is if those players will remain. Will Aion be good enough to spread by word of mouth? I disctinctly remember a lack of advertising for Lineage II and often felt like there could be a much higher population if only the advertising was more effective; lets face it - over 80% of WOW players have never heard of Lineage II, or just think it's another "Korean Grinder" even though Lineage II is the game all those other "Korean grinders" try to emulate but fail; inevitably being lower quality. Thats a great observation. Its unfortunate that most posters are unwilling to use the few braincells they have when it comes to that subject. Also, most WoW players never even played another MMO nor have any intention to try another one. (There was a survey I linked in here about a year ago with about 25,000 U.S. replies) I'm very interested in both games but I find Aion more appealing, perhaps it's because of the more mature graphics and excellent character design or the fact that I'm a big Lineage II fan. Why NCSoft would let Jake Song go and herald the Garriot brothers' Tablula Rasa is beyond me. My personal opinion on the whole "Jake Song thing" was that the CEO alone felt that bringing in a western studio would help break through the western market. At the time NCSoft dominated Asian gaming and they wanted to do the same in the west. (this was all before the launch of L2. Even then he recognized the cutlural differences) Keep in mind the board of directors did NOT agree with this move and is cost him in the long run as the Garroits haven't haven't really done much as far as producing anything. (TR is gonna bomb IMHO after about 6 years of developement) The board has also stated thay have lost confidence in him. By focusing on the west like they did, they lost momentum in Asia and now their games are all aging/losing subs and competition is like 100x more and the western market tanked. I'm not 100% on this but I believe L2 launched in Korea in 2003 (in NA it launched in early 2004). Aion will be the first major NCSoft release in about 5 years if it launches in 2008. I actually like free PVP and death penalties and I'm dissapointed that Aion and WAR seem to be RVR only; without free PVP or death penalties MMOs lack meaning (to me). It is irritating when you can't kill annoying people of your own race.
Aion could beat WAR in population of players. After Vanguard I feel the western mmorpg industry is a little depressed, so I hope both games do well and motivate more developers to make better mmorpgs. "A little depressed"? Brother, the west has put out 3 playable games in the last 3 almost 4 years. WoW, GW and LotR's. Everything else has been a trainwreck. sup homies.
Personally, I hope the mainstream people and kids stay in WoW or Warhammer. I don't want them coming into Aion bringing their carebear friends and complaining about this and that, I just want my PvP fresh and raw.
This situation is a double edged sword. WoW caught the eye of all the "kiddies" you are referring to and opened them up to the MMORPG world. They are here to stay now. Like kids do, they get bored, and some stay and some flock to new games.
If you advertise your game, you will get kids, and nice subscription numbers. Children browse the internet all the time now so it isn't as if they will not here of this game and if it doesn't have big spec requirements, they will likely get it.
Or Aion could choose to not advertise and hope that people just hear about it from word of mouth or stumble upon it from forum browsing. This method also makes a game lose many players because there may not be a lot of players to begin with.
Children don't hurt your gaming experience if you put them on /ignore. We aren't exactly acting like adults when we call children names.
Personally, I hope the mainstream people and kids stay in WoW or Warhammer. I don't want them coming into Aion bringing their carebear friends and complaining about this and that, I just want my PvP fresh and raw.
This situation is a double edged sword. WoW caught the eye of all the "kiddies" you are referring to and opened them up to the MMORPG world. They are here to stay now. Like kids do, they get bored, and some stay and some flock to new games.
If you advertise your game, you will get kids, and nice subscription numbers. Children browse the internet all the time now so it isn't as if they will not here of this game and if it doesn't have big spec requirements, they will likely get it.
Or Aion could choose to not advertise and hope that people just hear about it from word of mouth or stumble upon it from forum browsing. This method also makes a game lose many players because there may not be a lot of players to begin with.
Children don't hurt your gaming experience if you put them on /ignore. We aren't exactly acting like adults when we call children names.
Man do I disagree there. Yes WoW drew a lot of younger folks to it but that was because the battlenet already had millions of users.
A few of those people trickled into other MMOs every now and then but overall MMOs are doing pretty poorly. There hasn't really been a "flood" of kids in any other MMO. No more then any other timeframe. (pre-WoW) I have been playing MMO's since AC and nothing has really changed other then the fact most MMOs have much smaller populations then in the past except for a few.
Video games in general draw younger players overall. Can't do anything about that and there isn't really anything wrong with that either.
I find that last paragraph interesting in its phrasing. You refer to younger players as "children" and I'm pretty sure you are not meaning to be affectionate with that title. Then you go on to say that "adults" who name call are no better......
Personally, I hope the mainstream people and kids stay in WoW or Warhammer. I don't want them coming into Aion bringing their carebear friends and complaining about this and that, I just want my PvP fresh and raw.
This situation is a double edged sword. WoW caught the eye of all the "kiddies" you are referring to and opened them up to the MMORPG world. They are here to stay now. Like kids do, they get bored, and some stay and some flock to new games.
If you advertise your game, you will get kids, and nice subscription numbers. Children browse the internet all the time now so it isn't as if they will not here of this game and if it doesn't have big spec requirements, they will likely get it.
Or Aion could choose to not advertise and hope that people just hear about it from word of mouth or stumble upon it from forum browsing. This method also makes a game lose many players because there may not be a lot of players to begin with.
Children don't hurt your gaming experience if you put them on /ignore. We aren't exactly acting like adults when we call children names.
Man do I disagree there. Yes WoW drew a lot of younger folks to it but that was because the battlenet already had millions of users.
A few of those people trickled into other MMOs every now and then but overall MMOs are doing pretty poorly. There hasn't really been a "flood" of kids in any other MMO. No more then any other timeframe. (pre-WoW) I have been playing MMO's since AC and nothing has really changed other then the fact most MMOs have much smaller populations then in the past except for a few.
Video games in general draw younger players overall. Can't do anything about that and there isn't really anything wrong with that either.
I find that last paragraph interesting in its phrasing. You refer to younger players as "children" and I'm pretty sure you are not meaning to be affectionate with that title. Then you go on to say that "adults" who name call are no better......
That would be me pointing out he referred to children and mainstream players all carebears. That was the name calling part. What I was saying is if we were to just act like adults, then we wouldn't let children bother you in a game. You just ignore the bad ones. /Ignore command works wonders.
What I was trying to get across to him was that somebody who is an adult that is picking on children and lowering themselves to name calling with somebody much younger isn't acting any better than a child.
What kids are you talking about........ I mean use google for god sake and learn that the esa surveys are a very good source to judge games and gamers themselves.
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Put it this way... I've never heard of WAR... So to me Aion wins :-p
How can you not of heard of WAR, it's on this website.
Additionally, why does it matter how many play Game x or Game y? Enjoy the game that you have invested money and time. NOw, maybe this is advise coming from an adult here that understands that these games are not real, but an escape for a time away from th maddening real world. But, generally, I don't give 2 buckets of spit about who has the most subscriptions.
Just relax and enjoy the game you want to play and don't get suckered into an immature gaming discussion about which game is better.
I agree totally. It seems to me that the discussion on this site is becoming more and more a waste of time. i feel this way because (made up on the spot) 80% of the post I read are either the elitist fanboi troll bashing a game, the self proclaimed know it all making outrageous comparisons. All and all, it's starting to get a bit repetitive with nearly every topic being the same crap. It's kinda like being at that party last week and told the same story like 50 times.
Bots...people with your bots...they are in all MMO's, go whine on a blizzard forum about them, they have more bots then anyone else.
Aion overall?
It depends on how it does in Asia. Its not going to out-do WAR here in the western market. It doesn't have the recognition WAR does. Warhammer is a very strong franchise but that could be its undoing as well. Mythic has also run its only MMO into the ground so their track record ain't so great considering Lineage 1 is still over a million subs and its much older. NCSoft has a much better management track record overall.
If you go on the WAR site, they are over 440k beta applications alone. I think thats a pretty good indicator on how strong it will do IF they don't screw the pooch on launch. Which is a possibilty...one thing western companies have show us over and over is they can't launch a game worth a poop.
AION will hold its own in the western market. It looks like NCSoft has learned the grind leason. At least thats what they are saying. They don't have a habit of misleading the customers like Turbine or SOE do. Seeing how CoX and GW have turned out I don't think it will be an issue. Not so sure on Tabula Rasa, I think old Rich may have screwed up with that one.
aion will and does > warhammer however warhammer will have much more press then aion
I don't think so because alot more people are talking about WAR right now. But I do think Aion is going to be good. I just think the population will be smaller.
Lineage 2 never did exceptionally well in the Western markets. It was and still remains a big hit in Asian but subs in the US and Europe never reached past a few hundred thousand at it's height with both US and European markets combined.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
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A large chunk of that includes Asia. Take away the Asian market and you'll see that the US and European markets for L2 were not that great at all.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
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L2 at its peak have over 2 million subs (2.5?) worldwide.
A large chunk of that includes Asia. Take away the Asian market and you'll see that the US and European markets for L2 were not that great at all.
Yes, we know
WoW's 8 or 9 million isn't all westerners either.
The U.S. and EU only account for roughly 2 million apiece, the rest are Asians but I don't see anyone bothering to sort them out. WoW just gets the big epeen slap on the back for the total number because its a western game.
L2 at its peak have over 2 million subs (2.5?) worldwide.
A large chunk of that includes Asia. Take away the Asian market and you'll see that the US and European markets for L2 were not that great at all.
Yes, we know
WoW's 8 or 9 million isn't all westerners either.
The U.S. and EU only account for roughly 2 million apiece, the rest are Asians but I don't see anyone bothering to sort them out. WoW just gets the big epeen slap on the back for the total number because its a western game.
Actually alot of people pay attention to that. Will aion beat warhammer in total number? Its a possibility in TOTAL number but in the western market? Not a chance.
Yes, we know
WoW's 8 or 9 million isn't all westerners either.
The U.S. and EU only account for roughly 2 million apiece, the rest are Asians but I don't see anyone bothering to sort them out. WoW just gets the big epeen slap on the back for the total number because its a western game.
Actually alot of people pay attention to that. Will aion beat warhammer in total number? Its a possibility in TOTAL number but in the western market? Not a chance.
Yes, I acknoledged that here. Thats what happens when we get the same thread with a different title
The point was about his number thing with L2. Its ok to quote 9mil for WoW but when you talk about a game someone doesn't like, suddenly they want a zip code breakdown of the subscribers.
You could just as easily spin that number to say that WoW isn't as successful in the west as in Asia based on the breakdown.
Given that no western game has had any impact in Asia even though some have tried, you can't use the "more population" argument either. In the end, I stick by my original post which is here...
mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/150266/page/3
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AION maybe good, but will it beat WAR? You have to be crazy...
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I think war will be WOW 2.0. I do not want to play wow 2.0, i do not want to spend my time with wow kids.
I dont care if Aion is grindy, all mmorpg's are grindy. What i care for is how good the gamplay is, community and how well we can group, i dont see any point in playing a solo mmorpg, really dont. Thats why these new quest driven games sucks so bad.
Aion or TCOS for me, possibly AOC but i dont really look forward to that game either.
Judging from the traffic on this site from the front page, Aion doesn't look well off with mmorpg.com visitors. Only 1200 people hyped the game, yet hardly anyone visits the forum section - which is a shame.
EA will promote WAR big time, especially with recent reports that the game plays and feels like WoW.
Aion will probably have more depth to it being more of a traditional mmorpg with regards to War, giving more longevity. War is looking very mainstream and familiar, its obvious who it will pull in.
But right now, its not really being talked about enough in the media from what I can see.
Aion beat Warhammer Online not in a million years.
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War will do better. Aion might be a better MMORPG but WAR already has the market appeal especially here in the west. It also has fortunatate in that WoW basically used the WAR style so it is "familiar" to all markets now.
WAR will also do much better cross genre as its playstyle will appeal to PvP/shooter types as well as WoW players and MMOers.
Because of all of this, WAR stands a very good chance of doing well in Asia also.
However, it is being run by Mythic/EA. If anything un-does WAR, it will be that. Mythic destroyed their only MMO (DAoC) and EA isn't known for its great handling of games.
Either way, it looks like we may be in store for 2 very good MMO's. That in itself would be a very nice change of pace. I'm glad we might actually have 2 MMO's worth arguing over which is better. As customers, we haven't had that in a very long time.
I agree with this.. and with the statements that 'as long has my server has enough population to keep to 'healthy' I really don't care.' ^^
I do want to try both games though. And Warhammers advertising is MUCH better. They're having podcasts with detailed explanations and a main website run by the warhammer staff... Yeah, they're handling the market a lot better it seems.
Aion players will be WoW players as well lol.
WAR will have a massive initial amount of players, but the question is if those players will remain.
Will Aion be good enough to spread by word of mouth? I disctinctly remember a lack of advertising for Lineage II and often felt like there could be a much higher population if only the advertising was more effective; lets face it - over 80% of WOW players have never heard of Lineage II, or just think it's another "Korean Grinder" even though Lineage II is the game all those other "Korean grinders" try to emulate but fail; inevitably being lower quality.
I'm very interested in both games but I find Aion more appealing, perhaps it's because of the more mature graphics and excellent character design or the fact that I'm a big Lineage II fan. Why NCSoft would let Jake Song go and herald the Garriot brothers' Tablula Rasa is beyond me.
I actually like free PVP and death penalties and I'm dissapointed that Aion and WAR seem to be RVR only; without free PVP or death penalties MMOs lack meaning (to me). It is irritating when you can't kill annoying people of your own race.
Aion could beat WAR in population of players. After Vanguard I feel the western mmorpg industry is a little depressed, so I hope both games do well and motivate more developers to make better mmorpgs.
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Personally, I hope the mainstream people and kids stay in WoW or Warhammer.
I don't want them coming into Aion bringing their carebear friends and complaining about this and that, I just want my PvP fresh and raw.
If you advertise your game, you will get kids, and nice subscription numbers. Children browse the internet all the time now so it isn't as if they will not here of this game and if it doesn't have big spec requirements, they will likely get it.
Or Aion could choose to not advertise and hope that people just hear about it from word of mouth or stumble upon it from forum browsing. This method also makes a game lose many players because there may not be a lot of players to begin with.
Children don't hurt your gaming experience if you put them on /ignore. We aren't exactly acting like adults when we call children names.
If you advertise your game, you will get kids, and nice subscription numbers. Children browse the internet all the time now so it isn't as if they will not here of this game and if it doesn't have big spec requirements, they will likely get it.
Or Aion could choose to not advertise and hope that people just hear about it from word of mouth or stumble upon it from forum browsing. This method also makes a game lose many players because there may not be a lot of players to begin with.
Children don't hurt your gaming experience if you put them on /ignore. We aren't exactly acting like adults when we call children names.
Man do I disagree there. Yes WoW drew a lot of younger folks to it but that was because the battlenet already had millions of users.A few of those people trickled into other MMOs every now and then but overall MMOs are doing pretty poorly. There hasn't really been a "flood" of kids in any other MMO. No more then any other timeframe. (pre-WoW) I have been playing MMO's since AC and nothing has really changed other then the fact most MMOs have much smaller populations then in the past except for a few.
Video games in general draw younger players overall. Can't do anything about that and there isn't really anything wrong with that either.
I find that last paragraph interesting in its phrasing. You refer to younger players as "children" and I'm pretty sure you are not meaning to be affectionate with that title. Then you go on to say that "adults" who name call are no better......
If you advertise your game, you will get kids, and nice subscription numbers. Children browse the internet all the time now so it isn't as if they will not here of this game and if it doesn't have big spec requirements, they will likely get it.
Or Aion could choose to not advertise and hope that people just hear about it from word of mouth or stumble upon it from forum browsing. This method also makes a game lose many players because there may not be a lot of players to begin with.
Children don't hurt your gaming experience if you put them on /ignore. We aren't exactly acting like adults when we call children names.
Man do I disagree there. Yes WoW drew a lot of younger folks to it but that was because the battlenet already had millions of users.A few of those people trickled into other MMOs every now and then but overall MMOs are doing pretty poorly. There hasn't really been a "flood" of kids in any other MMO. No more then any other timeframe. (pre-WoW) I have been playing MMO's since AC and nothing has really changed other then the fact most MMOs have much smaller populations then in the past except for a few.
Video games in general draw younger players overall. Can't do anything about that and there isn't really anything wrong with that either.
I find that last paragraph interesting in its phrasing. You refer to younger players as "children" and I'm pretty sure you are not meaning to be affectionate with that title. Then you go on to say that "adults" who name call are no better......
That would be me pointing out he referred to children and mainstream players all carebears. That was the name calling part. What I was saying is if we were to just act like adults, then we wouldn't let children bother you in a game. You just ignore the bad ones. /Ignore command works wonders.
What I was trying to get across to him was that somebody who is an adult that is picking on children and lowering themselves to name calling with somebody much younger isn't acting any better than a child.
What kids are you talking about........ I mean use google for god sake and learn that the esa surveys are a very good source to judge games and gamers themselves.
www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php