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Mythic: A bad first impression
Deathstiny
Member Posts: 386
So far I've been a big supporter of WAR and I still hope it will be a good game although after my first few experiences with Mythic my faith has been pretty shaken.
I've never played DaoC as I've been a EQer since 1999 so WAR is my first time I'm dealing with Mythic.
The first strike came when it was announced that WAR won't have official forums. I'm not going to start this debate again as there are plenty of posts dealing with this already and clearly opinions differ. For me this was almost a deal breaker as I've been involved with games that didn't have offical forums (VG - nuff said). But let's leave it at that.
The second strike came when I tried to order something from the Mythic online store and was told I couldn't because I live in Canada and Mythic doesn't ship to exotic and far awar locations (are you guys sure MMOs are the right market for you?).
The third strike came when I attended Gamesday Baltimore and everybody was promised a BETA KEY before the end of the summer. Well guess what it's October 2nd and of course I still don't have a key (yes, I have applied, yes it shows Baltimore attendee, yes my directx is fine, yes I'm a vet newsletter subscriber).
Now, none of these things are deal breakers on their own but so far I've been lied too, been treated like a second class citizen and of course have not been given a channel to talk about this.
Seriously, the game is not even out till next year and I'm already mad at the company that's producing it. Sony and Turbine look pretty good right now. Heck even Funcom looks fantastic right about now.
Like they say, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. Mythic so far has been an absolute letdown.
Cheers,
Comments
Mythic has been that way since day one. Mark Jacobs has always talked with a forked tongue, promise one thing do another.
So many people get upset at Sony for NGE, yet Mythic self destroyed their game with an expansion all followed by numerous promises to fix said mess, all of course lies. Finally after the game was in the throws of collapse they tried including classic servers.
DAoC to this day probably has the most imbalanced pvp in any game. They have far too many classes to even make an attempt at any kind of balance.
Mark Jacobs and Smedley are two of a kind, never trust what either says to your detriment.
Total lie. DAoC had great PVP balance since it was never meant to be balanced 1vs1. World of Warcraft is a lot less balanced then Dark Age of Camelot ever was.
War Beta Tester
OP, you could try and email them. But I wouldn't waste my time, they will never reply.
I e-mailed them.
They said there were no plans to ever change their shipping policies (aka FU rest of the world)
Their stance on offical forums is well documented.
I never received a reply when I e-mailed them about my beta status.
gg mythic
You might be surprised at the silent reaction to your bombastic complaints. It can be because the hundreds of thousands of people that has been costumers of Mythic for sveral years has had no problems at all with their way of doing business.. None... And that you compare them to Sigil and think they are crooks in this little flame thread is... well, more entertaining without basis in reality, than upsetting.
I can give you a pat on the head and a good luck but..... A few hndred thousand people that stuck to them for years, Mythic with one of the best reputations among players and especially game developers, solid and untainted since the beginning, Mythic that pretty much set a new standard to MMO PvP, races, quests and piles upon piles of concepts of the newgen MMOs, one of the games before WoW that most developers used as a good example....
You know... Its kind of a good riddance here. You are looking for problems. Not having them, but hunting them down to be able to bash Mythic. I read your three issues and they are extremly minor, very personal and has nothing at all to do with game quality or company integrity. When you try to paint Mythic as the worst company you have ever experienced... I am sure they would love it if you stayed as far away from their game as possible. Someone else will be more than willing to buy your account and enjoy it, and chances are high that that someone is a major game developer with years of experience that is willing to enjoy Mythic solid reputation again and gain new inspiration for his own next project... Instead of a troll without a cause.
In short... You don't even know who you are bashing. You just want to bash something.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
OUCH! What a fricking POS company, how lazy and crappy can you be.
You aren't even missing much, if anything right now, trust me. What are we Canadians, a third world country?
Oh wait, our dollar is HIGHER than Americas! Eat my shorts, Mythic.
I like Mythic, but I wouldn't say untainted. ToA ruined DAoC for most people and Mythic stubbornly waited until WAY too late to remedy it with classic servers. Camelot is still my all time favorite MMO, but damn did they screw it up with artifacts and MLs.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
I can vouch for hard it is to ship outside of the US , as small company , but EA / Myth is huge company , I wonder if they divided up North America to make huge profits.
I ve never try to buy UO from canada since I m in the US , but I know the UO complete package at Fileplanet / Direct2drive didnt have a license to allow download from a couple countries.
DAOC was fine , the lvl 20 rvr was my all time favorite , granted when EA bought them, I promised my family never to join again. But I like how Myth does business or did business (not following war atm). I ve never had a problem with Myth staff , my 3 issues over like 3 or 4 years , were resolved in my favor.
I also like that during Rita they didnt charge me for my account for 2 months (my credit card was dead cause the bank people fled to Dallas and rich people there). They also help me get catacombs (it was sold out for months in our area and back order on most sites.)
Sounds like a whole bunch of "I'm important" whining to me.
My suggestion is to get over it.
Mythic ships with UPS and it would cost over $90 to ship to Canada.
Mythic ships with UPS and it would cost over $90 to ship to Canada.
Only because UPS extorts large brokerage fees. I run an online business, it would be very simple for them to use a regular mail service that does not extort it's customers, or use UPS express which includes all shipping/brokerage costs. I hate companies like this, they are just lazy and instead of making customers happy, they take the easy road.
Mythic ships with UPS and it would cost over $90 to ship to Canada.
Only because UPS extorts large brokerage fees. I run an online business, it would be very simple for them to use a regular mail service that does not extort it's customers, or use UPS express which includes all shipping/brokerage costs. I hate companies like this, they are just lazy and instead of making customers happy, they take the easy road.
I dont use USPS either, simply because of lost mail, delivery time, insurance fees and whatever else, not worth the hassle. Even if they used standard shipping it would cost somthing around $40 to ship to Canada with 2 week shipping, which most people wont buy anyway.
Regardless of who they ship with, if they wont ship to a country there is a reason for it. Its as simple as that. If you dont like it thats your choice. For your beta, have you checked your status. They hardly ever email someone telling them they got accepted. Best to just keep checking your status. As for the invite itself they may have been lieing or may not have. I work with a huge multi billion dollars database and unless you have worked with something so large, you have no idea how easy it is to misplace information. I have never had dealing with Mythic before through there online store or games so I am definitly not a fanboi.....yet.
To the poster who said canadian money is worth more than american. Whats your point? No canada is not a third world country but the value of your dollar means jack squat. If everything was so peachy dandy in canada, why arent all the illegal aliens heading for canadas border instead of americas? I have nothing against Canada at all, but to try and argue your point with the value of a dollar is moronic at best.
I'm just going to say this..
Apparently Mythic didn't keep a promise. We have no prove whether they did, so it's still possible, that you yourself made a mistake somewhere, but that aside. It doesn't make them bad people, when they promise something , thinking that would easily work and than in the end it doesn't easily work.
How many times in your life, have you found out that perhaps you might just not make that essay deadline, even though you planned so well. All the teachers should immediately start with a flamewar as well, I guess.
It's a pity, but it's seperate from Mythic being an evil company.
And there might be various reasons for their shipping policy and that's a company policy. It's something that is transparent and it's something carved in stone, untill management pulls out the sword and replaces it with a new one.
What did you expect to happen ? Of course they tell you they won't change it. It's not as if one angry 12 year old will mess up their reputation, because he's angry bout canada not getting anything.
Angry caller : Yes hello, speaking with angry caller here, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR GODDAMN MIND BOUT THIES SHIET ???
Employee thats being payed to say "Company policy"all day : I'm sorry sir, company policy, is there anything else I can help you with ?
Angry caller : I WANT YOU TO CHOKE AND DIE!
Employee thats being payed to say "Company policy"all day : I'm sorry sir, this doesn't seem to fit in our company policy, is there anything else I can help you with ?
Angry caller : ....... *click*
Very pedantic post to be honest, your nit picking at the most MINOR things, if you can't buy something from Mythic you will be guaranteed you can buy it from another retailer.
Believe me I live in England and you will be AMAZED at how many games distributors will not deliver to the UK so I have to go through an alternative distributor. Direct2drive.com is one perfect example, some games on there state FOR US AND CANADA REGIONS ONLY.
Guess I should throw my rattle out of the pram and spout out about how crap Direct2drive is.....
Or maybe when I got to the supermarket and they don't have the peanut butter I like and I have to go to another supermarket I should state that the supermarket is terrible for not stocking my peanut butter and I will never go there again...
Please put the rattle back in the pram, and make a little effort if you want something so bad, if not just accept that somethings will never be available in your country, I certainly have
DAoC is a classic, for me at least, in as much as SWG and EQ, when these starts.
The RvR is great, there is no balancing issue as we do not expect to fight 1 on 1 in DAoC. 1 on 1 is basically stealth ambush.
No forums for Mystics games from Mystics, it has always been so. We have forums on DAoC easily from vault and other sites. There is no major problem with Mystic. Many ppl do not like ToA, same for CU/NGE. So the population fled. But Mystic emerges with less scratch than SoE somehow.
As for not shipping to Canada, we who now works and travels around the world will feel the pain more than you. There are lots of retail shops in Canada that will handle an order. Just hop into a mall and ask.
It is unfair to bash Mystic on that pretext. How well Mystics will perform with the WHO under the banner of EA remains to be seen, and that will be months if not years ahead. Till then, there is little to buy from Mystic and you need not worry about them till then.
As for beta keys, come on, its a gift, its free-to-play. They have not yet issued you a key, for some reason yet unknown. That does not translate into bad business ethnics, b/c you never paid for it. So sit back and wait. After all, tons of players are waiting for a key. You are not the first or last on that queue.
Mythic.
From what I'm hearing the WAR beta isn't doin so great, moving at a snails pace. The reaction from beta testers is that they will either postpone release or release an incomplete product. That's worrying , not one guy not getting into beta
Total lie. DAoC had great PVP balance since it was never meant to be balanced 1vs1. World of Warcraft is a lot less balanced then Dark Age of Camelot ever was.
Are you kidding? DAOC is infamous for its unbalanced classes, WoW is not.
Total lie. DAoC had great PVP balance since it was never meant to be balanced 1vs1. World of Warcraft is a lot less balanced then Dark Age of Camelot ever was.
Are you kidding? DAOC is infamous for its unbalanced classes, WoW is not.
Are you kidding ? Do you actually PLAY WoW ? Do I need to show you the years of posts on their boards where they justify another nerf ( and more cry because they nerf ) ?
Total lie. DAoC had great PVP balance since it was never meant to be balanced 1vs1. World of Warcraft is a lot less balanced then Dark Age of Camelot ever was.
Are you kidding? DAOC is infamous for its unbalanced classes, WoW is not.
Are you kidding ? Do you actually PLAY WoW ? Do I need to show you the years of posts on their boards where they justify another nerf ( and more cry because they nerf ) ?
Because heaven forbids)WoW developers actually work on balancing the classes, right?
I have never had a problem with mythic, ever. Back when I played DAOC my albion account got hijacked, it took them 2 days to restore it, gave me a free month not to mention completely changed the account name/pw. Yes, an expansion hurt the game badly... just like most games. When in MMO history hasn't atleast ONE expansion sucked?. The other expansions they had were excellent.
As for balance 1 v 1 was way off but once again this is Mythic they don't really care about 1 v 1... you want 1 v 1 go play tekken or something. Yes they had balance issues the first what? 3 months of the game?, after that the group RVR battles were very well balanced( unless you are counting realm number imbalances then sure). The problem today is people are too wowified. They think 1 v 1 is the key to balance, who you can beat in a duel or meet on the battlefield alone. This isn't how an MMO should work. The MM stands for MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER <--- very important part there. That means group battles should happen more often and should be a key focus in balance, not 1 v 1.
Mythic knows how to balance and considering the number of classes surpasses the lame amount ( and still not balanced) classes of wow, they are doing just fine with DAOC and will do an amazing job in WAR.
Total lie. DAoC had great PVP balance since it was never meant to be balanced 1vs1. World of Warcraft is a lot less balanced then Dark Age of Camelot ever was.
Are you kidding? DAOC is infamous for its unbalanced classes, WoW is not.
Are you kidding ? Do you actually PLAY WoW ? Do I need to show you the years of posts on their boards where they justify another nerf ( and more cry because they nerf ) ?
Because heaven forbids)WoW developers actually work on balancing the classes, right?
One of your more unbalanced responses Gameloading...no reason to let your total love for WOW turn you into a troll.
I never felt classes in DAOC were that unbalanced.... taken as a whole in the context of the game.... and Mythic did well in rebalancing when it was necessary....(never quite got the stealth classes right...but that's one reason why they won't have them in WAR)
I played a lot of DAOC....and I met players of extreme skill in every class. Can't think of a single one that didn't have great players who performed their role to an extraordinary level and helped their "team" win.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I don't know about now, but when I played DAOC, they were constantly balancing classes. I give them a lot of respect for the work they put into DAOC, think of all the classes and races just in 1 realm...and they were balancing 3 realms against each other? Thats a lot of work..and they were constantly patching and fixing.
I haven't really seen that kind of dedication in any other game.
D.
In all the years I played DAoC, I only ever had to call CS once, when I was cancelling my account the last time, and I was billed again after cancelling. The CS rep reversed the charge, and took care of it with no fuss in under 5 mins. Which compared to the CS nightmares I've had with other MMO's? Worth it's weight in gold.
As for the griping about the beta invite. I don't recall them saying you'd get the beta invite on the way out the door... Hell, as far as I'm aware, the guild beta "winners" haven't gotten their invites yet. Nor have the winners from the newsletter.
That would be because they're not ready for everyone just yet.
As for shipping to Canada? QQ Didn't you know people in the US can't find Canadia on the map?
As to official forums? I have yet to see the game that had official forums that weren't a worthless cesspool of flaming, tin foil hat, nerf X, Y and Z, crybaby wankery. I got on just fine with the Herald, Catacombs, and Allakhazam's with DAoC. Other than making a scene so people will pay attention to you, or waving your epeen, I don't see anything that would require an official forum that couldn't be handled by an email, or phone call, to Customer Service.
In short, jog on.