Playing:World of Warcraft. Played:Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies. Tried:Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
I think it would be a bum wrap to label AgtSmith a "hater". There are some people that appear to be genuine "haters" on this board.... but I wouldn't even remotely count AgtSmith among them.
He might have some differences of opinion then those of us that truely love the game..... but that doesn't make him a "hater". I haven't seen him post anything that was unreasonable or objectively unsupportable.
I would say that his efforts to get Turbine's marketing department to stop spinning thier product , while noble, is about as fruitfull as spitting into the wind. Just about every marketing department I've seen for every company (game manufacturer or no) uses the same sort of spin to try to promote thier products. It'd be nice if they didn't... but it's about as realistic an expectation as asking politicians to stop making campaign promises they can't keep, used car salesmen to stop haggling, and spammers to stop sending us junk-mai... it's just not the way the world works.
Here we go again! I can't wait to see what AgtSmith says about this.
It is old news, I think most everyone realizes that Turbine's hype is just that, hype and even lies or misrepresentations at the least. While the game is probably making money and a success in that sense it is not the WoW-like success so many, fans and Turbine, have been saying it is or would become.
Who cares to what degree? As long as the game is a success in making money and having a stable, large playerbase... what does it matter? You just don't give up, trying to troll a game that's been a success and a company that's done a great job. Shame you don't have many good things to say about anything.
What did I say that is so bad? Jesus, you fanboys are just insane - if people don't buy the BS that the game is somehow second only to WoW in its sales and subs then we are just flaming or trolling or hating. I have no idea what the status of the game is in regards to profitability or success, but short of knowing otherwise I will give it the benefit of the doubt and call it such. But so long as asshats fanboys such as yourself, and Turbine, continue to try to outright BS and manipulate the public into believing they have achieved some kind of record success without actually providing the one bit of data that would backup that claim (sub numbers or even box sales) then I will chime in and call them as full of it.
fanbois? lol you so blind there is maybe 2 or 3 lotro fanbois on these forums vs 6 or 7 lotro haters that keep bashing lotro here 24/7 because their games eq2 and vanguard must suck so much that they have more fun bashing LOTRO on these forums.
Now tell me are you one of these haters?
<Mod edit> Are you serious? I don't know if that actually are true, would that mean that the tide have turned... whatever. Do you know how many selfglorified hobo humpin' LOTRO babes that glorified LOTRO against every possible other fantasy MMO out there (or here at MMORPG) FFS posts telling things like LOTRO will have 1000k subs this year on and on and on and on. Now the "I quit this game" is just as frequent as the bashing on VG state of the game and it's population was.
I think it would be a bum wrap to label AgtSmith a "hater". There are some people that appear to be genuine "haters" on this board.... but I wouldn't even remotely count AgtSmith among them. He might have some differences of opinion then those of us that truely love the game..... but that doesn't make him a "hater". I haven't seen him post anything that was unreasonable or objectively unsupportable. I would say that his efforts to get Turbine's marketing department to stop spinning thier product , while noble, is about as fruitfull as spitting into the wind. Just about every marketing department I've seen for every company (game manufacturer or no) uses the same sort of spin to try to promote thier products. It'd be nice if they didn't... but it's about as realistic an expectation as asking politicians to stop making campaign promises they can't keep, used car salesmen to stop haggling, and spammers to stop sending us junk-mai... it's just not the way the world works.
There are probably worse haters, but he was trying _really_ hard to insult many people here... and that is a part of trolling you know. Seen any deleted post recently?
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I think it would be a bum wrap to label AgtSmith a "hater". There are some people that appear to be genuine "haters" on this board.... but I wouldn't even remotely count AgtSmith among them. He might have some differences of opinion then those of us that truely love the game..... but that doesn't make him a "hater". I haven't seen him post anything that was unreasonable or objectively unsupportable. I would say that his efforts to get Turbine's marketing department to stop spinning thier product , while noble, is about as fruitfull as spitting into the wind. Just about every marketing department I've seen for every company (game manufacturer or no) uses the same sort of spin to try to promote thier products. It'd be nice if they didn't... but it's about as realistic an expectation as asking politicians to stop making campaign promises they can't keep, used car salesmen to stop haggling, and spammers to stop sending us junk-mai... it's just not the way the world works.
There are probably worse haters, but he was trying _really_ hard to insult many people here... and that is a part of trolling you know. Seen any deleted post recently?
DB
Yeah, I'd agree with that sentiment DB. When you go around calling people what he was in his posts and then they get deleted by the mods... you can't exactly claim to be taking the "High Road"
I palyed LOTRO for 3 months and I never created more than 5 characters. Even going back from when I played beta until I quit, I never created more than 10. I don't see how you can use 55 or 5 or any number to calculate the active subscribers. LOTRO is a good game, but they failed to release content every month. They also released a few months too early. If they had the June content in April, and added housing right afterward, they might have kept more people. I'm sure in a year or so, LOTRO will have enough features and content to attract more people. THey also need to make it less boring to help retain people.
I personally Hope LOTRO dies a horrible death. The gameplay is so ez a 9 year old could play it and max out within a month. No downsides what-so-ever but yet there is small fanbase? It's pathetic, anyone who plays LTORO and says the durability system is a good DP deserves to play a crappy game like LOTRO.
I can't tell you how many times I died b/c I was typing and didn't give a F*** about what could be around me. it's like Oh I died! S***! . . . wait this is LOTRO what is there to be angry about? no experience loss, no corpse, I respawn like 2 to 5 minutes away from the place/zone I was fighting (Most places) i can just run back to the spawn I was fighting and there isn't any down time at all! How does one stay interested in a game that requires little to no effort? i am surprised this game hasn't been completely abandoned since its been out for 3 + months What's worse is you get good experience from quests and bad experience from mobs. . . what else? All the 'best equip for Crafted and Raid are the same - hmmm horses are the same.
There is nothing really to work toward - nothing to be scared of or better yet - no reason to care if you die. So you lose money (B/c of repair bills) big deal . . . it's not like getting money in LOTRO is all that hard lol.
I mean right off the bat I should have known this game was going to be complete crap in beta - I mean the Character Creation System should have tipped me off. Seven classes? Three races? Everything about this game screams: Simple. The Classes are simple and bland, Equip, spells, combat, ez leveling, no DP's (I'm not even going to say the Durability is a DP - that's how bad of a main Loss - concept it is for a MMO), No corpses, Automatic BP's (Bind points or Safe Spots), Alot of the mobs are of the same bland 'kill wolf, bear . . .blah blah blah.' hell even the best Equip in the game can be found on random mobs. Everything about this MMO is a joke - except for maybe the graphics. but everything else is a joke.
I personally Hope LOTRO dies a horrible death. Exactly how does a MMO "die a horrible death"? I'm curious, I really am. I'm having trouble even coming up with an analogy on that one. So please enlighten me. The gameplay is so ez a 9 year old could play it and max out within a month. No downsides what-so-ever but yet there is small fanbase? It's pathetic, anyone who plays LTORO and says the durability system is a good DP deserves to play a crappy game like LOTRO. Ican't tell you how many times I died b/c I was typing and didn't give a F*** about what could be around me. it's like Oh I died! S***! . . . wait this is LOTRO what is there to be angry about? no experience loss, no corpse, I respawn like 2 to 5 minutes away from the place/zone I was fighting (Most places) i can just run back to the spawn I was fighting and there isn't any down time at all! How does one stay interested in a game that requires little to no effort? i am surprised this game hasn't been completely abandoned since its been out for 3 + months What's worse is you get good experience from quests and bad experience from mobs. . . what else? All the 'best equip for Crafted and Raid are the same - hmmm horses are the same. So... what does that say for your abilities given what you've stated above that I high-lighted? I'll agree it is a casual Death Penalty. (Although I can only surmise that you didn't level very high, as at higher level... you REALLY don't want that repair bill! ) So, yup... it's not going to be the "Hardcore MMO of the Year" winner. Pretty sure they weren't going for that award anyway... well, I don't think so anyway. There are a lot of awards these days though... so I could be wrong.
There is nothing really to work toward - nothing to be scared of or better yet - no reason to care if you die. So you lose money (B/c of repair bills) big deal . . . it's not like getting money in LOTRO is all that hard lol. Yeah... how dare they create a MMO that THE JOURNEY is the reward??? The story-line is what you work towards. Helping your friends and kin-mates is what you work towards. Just relaxing and having fun is what you... well, you just do it. If, that part escaped you... then yeah... probably not your cup of tea. I mean right off the bat I should have known this game was going to be complete crap in beta - I mean the Character Creation System should have tipped me off. Seven classes? Three races? I could be wrong here... but let's all count together: Dwarf, Elf, Hobbit, Man. Yup, you're right... three races. There were a ton more good races than that in the books too! Why didn't they include all the other ones? Let's see on the Good Side they also could have included... and then there's.... and then... hmm... I may have to go and read the books again. Everything about this game screams: Simple. The Classes are simple and bland, Equip, spells, combat, ez leveling, no DP's (I'm not even going to say the Durability is a DP - that's how bad of a main Loss - concept it is for a MMO), No corpses, Automatic BP's (Bind points or Safe Spots), Alot of the mobs are of the same bland 'kill wolf, bear . . .blah blah blah.' hell even the best Equip in the game can be found on random mobs. Really? Well, I suppose if you count Grand-Master Crafters a "random mob" then yeah... you're right. Everything about this MMO is a joke - except for maybe the graphics. but everything else is a joke. I especially like the one about the three Rangers go into the tavern, and then the one says "It's not a Chicken!" That one is so funny... I laugh every time I hear it!
I palyed LOTRO for 3 months and I never created more than 5 characters. Even going back from when I played beta until I quit, I never created more than 10. I don't see how you can use 55 or 5 or any number to calculate the active subscribers.
Well, that's just the problem, Turbine seems to think they can claim to be the second largest MMO by counting total characters ever created as somehow representative of active paying subscriptions.
Well the thing is the character creation number to active accts was thrown out by some analyst. Turbine has a policy of not releasing their subscriber numbers. This was there way of playing the WoW hype game without being inconsistent with their policy of releasing sub numbers. Of course if they do get a million subs, I guarentee they will be releasing that info because its too good of a marketing tool. So what we do know is that they are most likely less then 1 mill and probably over 300k. The real numbers aren't going to blow up till they release in Asia and by that time the game is going to be very polished with plenty of content and things to do, to keep even the hardcore asians busy for a while. WoW didn't blow up till it was released in Asia and thats where probably 80% of their sub data comes from.
I personally Hope LOTRO dies a horrible death. Exactly how does a MMO "die a horrible death"? I'm curious, I really am. I'm having trouble even coming up with an analogy on that one. So please enlighten me.
I personally Hope LOTRO dies a horrible death. Exactly how does a MMO "die a horrible death"? I'm curious, I really am. I'm having trouble even coming up with an analogy on that one. So please enlighten me.
AC2 and Auto Assault
Cheers!
Heh yeah, that's a couple examples of some games that were shut-down; along with Earth & Beyond, and probably another one or two that I am forgetting at the moment. But, I'm still not seeing the "horrible death" part of it.
I guess the choice of the adjective "horrible" is what struck me as funny. As if MMO's can feel pain. Perhaps another example of someone who has forgotten that these are GAMES? They are not objects to get emotionally attached to... they are just another avenue of entertainment.
I personally Hope LOTRO dies a horrible death. Exactly how does a MMO "die a horrible death"? I'm curious, I really am. I'm having trouble even coming up with an analogy on that one. So please enlighten me.
AC2 and Auto Assault
Cheers!
Heh yeah, that's a couple examples of some games that were shut-down; along with Earth & Beyond, and probably another one or two that I am forgetting at the moment. But, I'm still not seeing the "horrible death" part of it.
I guess the choice of the adjective "horrible" is what struck me as funny. As if MMO's can feel pain. Perhaps another example of someone who has forgotten that these are GAMES? They are not objects to get emotionally attached to... they are just another avenue of entertainment.
I think a "horrible death" for an MMO, would be a game that lingers on life support for years and years. Far past it's prime and with no developer attention. I would make an argument for Shadowbane
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Well, from your words it shines more brilliantly than a supernova that you are in possession of the real, confirmed, validated, rock-solid truth about everything concerning subscriber numbers.
Show where I put forth a subscription number as if it was fact? I don't even think I speculated anywhere. All I have done is argue against those who continue, Turbine included, to suggest WITHOUT proof that the game has achieved some kind of record sub plateau. If this idea, that of suggesting Turbine should prove it or STFU with their wild claims and misleading comments, is so ridiculous to someone then I think it is fair to question if someone is a fanboy because they are obviously acting with emotion and not reason.
AgtSmith is back!
Long time no see... How's life in other mmo pastures been treatin' ya?
Kinda crazy to see this topic still alive and active.
I decided some time ago to take the non-specific but satisfying stance that "LoTRO has a notable number of people playing and (presumably) enjoying it". Nice and easy to wrap your head around. No numbers flying around that might or might not be true.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I think it would be a bum wrap to label AgtSmith a "hater". There are some people that appear to be genuine "haters" on this board.... but I wouldn't even remotely count AgtSmith among them. He might have some differences of opinion then those of us that truely love the game..... but that doesn't make him a "hater". I haven't seen him post anything that was unreasonable or objectively unsupportable. I would say that his efforts to get Turbine's marketing department to stop spinning thier product , while noble, is about as fruitfull as spitting into the wind. Just about every marketing department I've seen for every company (game manufacturer or no) uses the same sort of spin to try to promote thier products. It'd be nice if they didn't... but it's about as realistic an expectation as asking politicians to stop making campaign promises they can't keep, used car salesmen to stop haggling, and spammers to stop sending us junk-mai... it's just not the way the world works.
There are probably worse haters, but he was trying _really_ hard to insult many people here... and that is a part of trolling you know. Seen any deleted post recently?
DB
Yeah, something/someone must have gotten him pretty riled up to earn the big red sticker. I've seen Smith get aggressive... but never *that* aggressive.
I hope no puppies were kicked.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
If you hear 500 burgers were sold at Mcdonalds, right now...would you go in there expecting 500 people...no...but, you would expect a large crowd...lets say 50-100 people maybe..but, then you get there and see..
One What would be your impression?
I'd be thinking that's one hungry person!
Sorry... I'm in a really goofy mood today and that's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read that :-p.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
If you hear 500 burgers were sold at Mcdonalds, right now...would you go in there expecting 500 people...no...but, you would expect a large crowd...lets say 50-100 people maybe..but, then you get there and see..
One What would be your impression?
I'd be thinking that's one hungry person!
Sorry... I'm in a really goofy mood today and that's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read that :-p.
LOL
Man...that is OLD!!!...Guess you have been AWOL a while now...hehe
Anyways...uh...seems the subs discussion is coming back to haunt us all. I figured things had settled down...but...guess not...especially with Turbine STILL touting themselves with no numbers...guess many will get into some throwdowns..
If you hear 500 burgers were sold at Mcdonalds, right now...would you go in there expecting 500 people...no...but, you would expect a large crowd...lets say 50-100 people maybe..but, then you get there and see..
One What would be your impression?
I'd be thinking that's one hungry person!
Sorry... I'm in a really goofy mood today and that's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read that :-p.
LOL
Man...that is OLD!!!...Guess you have been AWOL a while now...hehe
Anyways...uh...seems the subs discussion is coming back to haunt us all. I figured things had settled down...but...guess not...especially with Turbine STILL touting themselves with no numbers...guess many will get into some throwdowns..
Anyways...here is to more fun for November!
Bah... who checks dates anyway?
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Anyone know when this game is expected to peak? I know the world isn't even 25% done yet, so I think there is much more to come, since you can't even go to gondor, rohan, or mordor yet!
From Turbine's highly exaggerated and deceptive second largest MMO* claims, apparently they have already expected it to peak near the top by now with millions of subscribers and have failed.
* out of only MMOs developed by U.S companies, which are none of the top MMOs except WoW...
From Turbine's highly exaggerated and deceptive second largest MMO* claims, apparently they have already expected it to peak near the top by now with millions of subscribers and have failed. * out of only MMOs developed by U.S companies, which are none of the top MMOs except WoW...
Also, do not forget the other wording "Reported Data" and "Fee based"..meaning based on data given wherever Turbine can find it and charge a monthly fee...and so far one place is MMOG data...whose sources are suspect...but, is all that exists at this point..
This kind of reminds me of those mailings you can get (here in the US...which I never see anymore..)...they would say on the envelope "You are already a winner..."...but, then you open it, and all the caveats are inside...hehe..
Anyways
Those North American MMO's are
WoW, CoH/CoV, DAoC (if anyone can show me any others, I would be delighted to see who...just these are the ONLY ones who come up)
So, if we look at MMOG data's listings ...then Turbine has not lied, and are IN fact the number 2 MMO based on that data..
From Turbine's highly exaggerated and deceptive second largest MMO* claims, apparently they have already expected it to peak near the top by now with millions of subscribers and have failed. * out of only MMOs developed by U.S companies, which are none of the top MMOs except WoW...
Also, do not forget the other wording "Reported Data" and "Fee based"..meaning based on data given wherever Turbine can find it and charge a monthly fee...and so far one place is MMOG data...whose sources are suspect...but, is all that exists at this point..
This kind of reminds me of those mailings you can get (here in the US...which I never see anymore..)...they would say on the envelope "You are already a winner..."...but, then you open it, and all the caveats are inside...hehe..
Anyways
Those North American MMO's are
WoW, CoH/CoV, DAoC (if anyone can show me any others, I would be delighted to see who...just these are the ONLY ones who come up)
So, if we look at MMOG data's listings ...then Turbine has not lied, and are IN fact the number 2 MMO based on that data..
Congrats Turbine..
Cheers!
Why wouldn't EQ2 be included in that list? Since SOE is based in San Diego, CA and they are owned by Sony Corporation of America (true they are co-owners). Here's a blurb from this site:
Sony Online Entertainment LLC (SOE) is a recognized worldwide leader in massively multiplayer online games, with millions of gamers around the globe having enjoyed the company’s products over the years. SOE creates, develops and provides compelling entertainment for the personal computer, online, game console and wireless markets.
SOE began operations in summer of 1995 as an online collaboration between Sony Pictures Entertainment and Sony Corporation of America. In May of 2000, SOE acquired and fully integrated Verant Interactive to further strengthen Sony’s position in multiplayer online gaming. In April of 2006, SOE became Sony Online Entertainment LLC, owned by Sony Pictures Digital and Sony Computer Entertainment America.
SOE has developed and/or published a number of ground-breaking and genre-defining games, including EverQuest®, EverQuest® II, Star Wars Galaxies®, PlanetSide®, The Matrix Online™, EverQuest® Online Adventures (for the PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system), Champions of Norrath™ (for the PlayStation 2), Untold Legends™ and Field Commander™ (both for the PSP handheld entertainment system).
Based in San Diego, California, with development studios in Austin, Texas, Seattle, WA, and Taiwan, SOE strives to push the envelope of online entertainment quality, innovation and delivery, thus maintaining a leading position on the cutting-edge of technology.
Anyways Those North American MMO's are WoW, CoH/CoV, DAoC (if anyone can show me any others, I would be delighted to see who...just these are the ONLY ones who come up) So, if we look at MMOG data's listings ...then Turbine has not lied, and are IN fact the number 2 MMO based on that data.. Congrats Turbine.. Cheers!
Why wouldn't EQ2 be included in that list? Since SOE is based in San Diego, CA and they are owned by Sony Corporation of America (true they are co-owners). Here's a blurb from this site:
Thanks...did not see this...reason for my orange text above (if anyone can show me any others...)
Now...the list is
WoW, CoH/CoV, DAoC and EQ2...
Thank you kind sir!
And it is "reported" at MMOG that EQ2 is under 200k. CoH is about 150+ and DAoC less than that...
Still makes LOTRO Number 2 (stupid grin)
Cheers!
(EDIT: I know LOTRO is number 2 and all that, and people believe it is growing...but, why do threads like this keep coming up on the LOTRO forums..I am confused...
Quote: Nimrodel is not yet at the point of too little population to function...but it will be there soon. Grouping is getting a bit hard and raids are very rare. I've already deleted a good 100 members that havent logged on in months and had quite a few people in the past hit 50, guild hop, then disappear. Many have left, but many more have kept paying and just play a lot less or not at all....
Is it that everyone has already raced through the content? Just seems weird with all the talk of the success and high sub numbers)
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Playing: World of Warcraft.
Played: Lord of the Rings Online, Starwars Galaxies.
Tried: Starwars the Old Republic, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, Vanguard, Age of Conan, Aion.
I think it would be a bum wrap to label AgtSmith a "hater". There are some people that appear to be genuine "haters" on this board.... but I wouldn't even remotely count AgtSmith among them.
He might have some differences of opinion then those of us that truely love the game..... but that doesn't make him a "hater". I haven't seen him post anything that was unreasonable or objectively unsupportable.
I would say that his efforts to get Turbine's marketing department to stop spinning thier product , while noble, is about as fruitfull as spitting into the wind. Just about every marketing department I've seen for every company (game manufacturer or no) uses the same sort of spin to try to promote thier products. It'd be nice if they didn't... but it's about as realistic an expectation as asking politicians to stop making campaign promises they can't keep, used car salesmen to stop haggling, and spammers to stop sending us junk-mai... it's just not the way the world works.
I don't know if that actually are true, would that mean that the tide have turned... whatever. Do you know how many selfglorified hobo humpin' LOTRO babes that glorified LOTRO against every possible other fantasy MMO out there (or here at MMORPG) FFS posts telling things like LOTRO will have 1000k subs this year on and on and on and on.
Now the "I quit this game" is just as frequent as the bashing on VG state of the game and it's population was.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
DB
Yeah, I'd agree with that sentiment DB. When you go around calling people what he was in his posts and then they get deleted by the mods... you can't exactly claim to be taking the "High Road"Darn, missed the action. Those deleted post images are a little excessive I would say.
I palyed LOTRO for 3 months and I never created more than 5 characters. Even going back from when I played beta until I quit, I never created more than 10. I don't see how you can use 55 or 5 or any number to calculate the active subscribers. LOTRO is a good game, but they failed to release content every month. They also released a few months too early. If they had the June content in April, and added housing right afterward, they might have kept more people. I'm sure in a year or so, LOTRO will have enough features and content to attract more people. THey also need to make it less boring to help retain people.
I personally Hope LOTRO dies a horrible death. The gameplay is so ez a 9 year old could play it and max out within a month. No downsides what-so-ever but yet there is small fanbase? It's pathetic, anyone who plays LTORO and says the durability system is a good DP deserves to play a crappy game like LOTRO.
I can't tell you how many times I died b/c I was typing and didn't give a F*** about what could be around me. it's like Oh I died! S***! . . . wait this is LOTRO what is there to be angry about? no experience loss, no corpse, I respawn like 2 to 5 minutes away from the place/zone I was fighting (Most places) i can just run back to the spawn I was fighting and there isn't any down time at all! How does one stay interested in a game that requires little to no effort? i am surprised this game hasn't been completely abandoned since its been out for 3 + months What's worse is you get good experience from quests and bad experience from mobs. . . what else? All the 'best equip for Crafted and Raid are the same - hmmm horses are the same.
There is nothing really to work toward - nothing to be scared of or better yet - no reason to care if you die. So you lose money (B/c of repair bills) big deal . . . it's not like getting money in LOTRO is all that hard lol.
I mean right off the bat I should have known this game was going to be complete crap in beta - I mean the Character Creation System should have tipped me off. Seven classes? Three races? Everything about this game screams: Simple. The Classes are simple and bland, Equip, spells, combat, ez leveling, no DP's (I'm not even going to say the Durability is a DP - that's how bad of a main Loss - concept it is for a MMO), No corpses, Automatic BP's (Bind points or Safe Spots), Alot of the mobs are of the same bland 'kill wolf, bear . . .blah blah blah.' hell even the best Equip in the game can be found on random mobs. Everything about this MMO is a joke - except for maybe the graphics. but everything else is a joke.
Well, that's just the problem, Turbine seems to think they can claim to be the second largest MMO by counting total characters ever created as somehow representative of active paying subscriptions.
Well the thing is the character creation number to active accts was thrown out by some analyst. Turbine has a policy of not releasing their subscriber numbers. This was there way of playing the WoW hype game without being inconsistent with their policy of releasing sub numbers. Of course if they do get a million subs, I guarentee they will be releasing that info because its too good of a marketing tool. So what we do know is that they are most likely less then 1 mill and probably over 300k. The real numbers aren't going to blow up till they release in Asia and by that time the game is going to be very polished with plenty of content and things to do, to keep even the hardcore asians busy for a while. WoW didn't blow up till it was released in Asia and thats where probably 80% of their sub data comes from.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Heh yeah, that's a couple examples of some games that were shut-down; along with Earth & Beyond, and probably another one or two that I am forgetting at the moment. But, I'm still not seeing the "horrible death" part of it.I guess the choice of the adjective "horrible" is what struck me as funny. As if MMO's can feel pain. Perhaps another example of someone who has forgotten that these are GAMES? They are not objects to get emotionally attached to... they are just another avenue of entertainment.
Cheers!
Heh yeah, that's a couple examples of some games that were shut-down; along with Earth & Beyond, and probably another one or two that I am forgetting at the moment. But, I'm still not seeing the "horrible death" part of it.I guess the choice of the adjective "horrible" is what struck me as funny. As if MMO's can feel pain. Perhaps another example of someone who has forgotten that these are GAMES? They are not objects to get emotionally attached to... they are just another avenue of entertainment.
I think a "horrible death" for an MMO, would be a game that lingers on life support for years and years. Far past it's prime and with no developer attention. I would make an argument for Shadowbane
I don't want to write this, and you don't want to read it. But now it's too late for both of us.
Show where I put forth a subscription number as if it was fact? I don't even think I speculated anywhere. All I have done is argue against those who continue, Turbine included, to suggest WITHOUT proof that the game has achieved some kind of record sub plateau. If this idea, that of suggesting Turbine should prove it or STFU with their wild claims and misleading comments, is so ridiculous to someone then I think it is fair to question if someone is a fanboy because they are obviously acting with emotion and not reason.
AgtSmith is back!
Long time no see... How's life in other mmo pastures been treatin' ya?
Kinda crazy to see this topic still alive and active.
I decided some time ago to take the non-specific but satisfying stance that "LoTRO has a notable number of people playing and (presumably) enjoying it". Nice and easy to wrap your head around. No numbers flying around that might or might not be true.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
There are probably worse haters, but he was trying _really_ hard to insult many people here... and that is a part of trolling you know. Seen any deleted post recently?DB
Yeah, something/someone must have gotten him pretty riled up to earn the big red sticker. I've seen Smith get aggressive... but never *that* aggressive.
I hope no puppies were kicked.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Sorry... I'm in a really goofy mood today and that's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read that :-p.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Sorry... I'm in a really goofy mood today and that's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read that :-p.
LOLMan...that is OLD!!!...Guess you have been AWOL a while now...hehe
Anyways...uh...seems the subs discussion is coming back to haunt us all. I figured things had settled down...but...guess not...especially with Turbine STILL touting themselves with no numbers...guess many will get into some throwdowns..
Anyways...here is to more fun for November!
Sorry... I'm in a really goofy mood today and that's the first thing that popped into my mind when I read that :-p.
LOLMan...that is OLD!!!...Guess you have been AWOL a while now...hehe
Anyways...uh...seems the subs discussion is coming back to haunt us all. I figured things had settled down...but...guess not...especially with Turbine STILL touting themselves with no numbers...guess many will get into some throwdowns..
Anyways...here is to more fun for November!
Bah... who checks dates anyway?
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
LOTRO forums are fun to look at!
Playing: Everthing
Played: DAoC,AC2,EvE,SWG,WAR,MXO,CoX,EQ2,L2,LOTRO,SB,UO,WoW.
I have played every MMO that has ever come out.
Anyone know when this game is expected to peak? I know the world isn't even 25% done yet, so I think there is much more to come, since you can't even go to gondor, rohan, or mordor yet!
Elite poster by 82
From Turbine's highly exaggerated and deceptive second largest MMO* claims, apparently they have already expected it to peak near the top by now with millions of subscribers and have failed.
* out of only MMOs developed by U.S companies, which are none of the top MMOs except WoW...
This kind of reminds me of those mailings you can get (here in the US...which I never see anymore..)...they would say on the envelope "You are already a winner..."...but, then you open it, and all the caveats are inside...hehe..
Anyways
Those North American MMO's are
WoW, CoH/CoV, DAoC (if anyone can show me any others, I would be delighted to see who...just these are the ONLY ones who come up)
So, if we look at MMOG data's listings ...then Turbine has not lied, and are IN fact the number 2 MMO based on that data..
Congrats Turbine..
Cheers!
This kind of reminds me of those mailings you can get (here in the US...which I never see anymore..)...they would say on the envelope "You are already a winner..."...but, then you open it, and all the caveats are inside...hehe..
Anyways
Those North American MMO's are
WoW, CoH/CoV, DAoC (if anyone can show me any others, I would be delighted to see who...just these are the ONLY ones who come up)
So, if we look at MMOG data's listings ...then Turbine has not lied, and are IN fact the number 2 MMO based on that data..
Congrats Turbine..
Cheers!
Why wouldn't EQ2 be included in that list? Since SOE is based in San Diego, CA and they are owned by Sony Corporation of America (true they are co-owners). Here's a blurb from this site:www.station.sony.com/sonyonline/
Sony Online Entertainment LLC (SOE) is a recognized worldwide leader in massively multiplayer online games, with millions of gamers around the globe having enjoyed the company’s products over the years. SOE creates, develops and provides compelling entertainment for the personal computer, online, game console and wireless markets.
SOE began operations in summer of 1995 as an online collaboration between Sony Pictures Entertainment and Sony Corporation of America. In May of 2000, SOE acquired and fully integrated Verant Interactive to further strengthen Sony’s position in multiplayer online gaming. In April of 2006, SOE became Sony Online Entertainment LLC, owned by Sony Pictures Digital and Sony Computer Entertainment America.
SOE has developed and/or published a number of ground-breaking and genre-defining games, including EverQuest®, EverQuest® II, Star Wars Galaxies®, PlanetSide®, The Matrix Online™, EverQuest® Online Adventures (for the PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system), Champions of Norrath™ (for the PlayStation 2), Untold Legends™ and Field Commander™ (both for the PSP handheld entertainment system).
Based in San Diego, California, with development studios in Austin, Texas, Seattle, WA, and Taiwan, SOE strives to push the envelope of online entertainment quality, innovation and delivery, thus maintaining a leading position on the cutting-edge of technology.
Why wouldn't EQ2 be included in that list? Since SOE is based in San Diego, CA and they are owned by Sony Corporation of America (true they are co-owners). Here's a blurb from this site:www.station.sony.com/sonyonline/
Thanks...did not see this...reason for my orange text above (if anyone can show me any others...)
Now...the list is
WoW, CoH/CoV, DAoC and EQ2...
Thank you kind sir!
And it is "reported" at MMOG that EQ2 is under 200k. CoH is about 150+ and DAoC less than that...
Still makes LOTRO Number 2 (stupid grin)
Cheers!
(EDIT: I know LOTRO is number 2 and all that, and people believe it is growing...but, why do threads like this keep coming up on the LOTRO forums..I am confused...
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=102065
Low Population Servers (HELP US PLEASE)
Quote: Nimrodel is not yet at the point of too little population to function...but it will be there soon. Grouping is getting a bit hard and raids are very rare. I've already deleted a good 100 members that havent logged on in months and had quite a few people in the past hit 50, guild hop, then disappear. Many have left, but many more have kept paying and just play a lot less or not at all....
Is it that everyone has already raced through the content? Just seems weird with all the talk of the success and high sub numbers)