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Why I left Eve after playing for 2.5 years
Moghidin
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1st I want to make it clear that this post is not Eve bashing. Eve is a great game and it is possible that I will return after 8 months long hiatus. Eve was the best game I ever played (both online and not). I spent 2.5 years in game moving all the way from Empire dweller who was afraid if he saw neg. sec. player in high sec. space to someone who played the game for 0.0 PvPing and alliance warfare. Eve has the best combat system I ever encountered in mmorpg and I tried WoW and GW since then. Nothing even came close. But the title says "why I left", so I'll stop with praising Eve and will start with things I didn't like.
In one word the reason why I left is - economy. Yes, Eve economy that's praised by many (and may be rightfully so) was the main in-game reason for my subscription being canceled 8 months ago. Eve economy is harsh and unforgiving and I've wasted 1bn ISK with a stupid investment. It was frustrating, I didn't realize it right away, but even after I realized it, I've got over. It was not the reason why I left. The reason was the inability to compete in PvP with players that were around me at that time. Yes, I could've gone to gank n00bs in low sec or something like that. But I've fought the best and saw one very frustrating thing - I can never be THAT good.
After you grasp the basics of Eve and stop making stupid mistakes the thing that matters more and more is the ship and the modules (also your implants). Gradually you will move from frigate to cruiser to battlecruiser to battleship. Then you will move to Tech II and it's where you'll get hit. Interceptors and assault frigs are fun. But you are developing skills for bigger and better T2 ships, your skills aren't developing fast, but your wallet will lag behind your skills and eat the dust. I don't know how the market is built nowadays, but when I was playing I've got very close to things that were out of my reach. I've found myself in a middle of a fight I couldn't win - a fight with my wallet. How can you economically support your char if you strive to fight in a ship that is worth 250mill. Most modules 10s of millions. How frustrating is to see ppl around you in very expensive ships, using best modules available and you're still fielding out those cruisers and choking over the loss of a battleship.
I came to a conclusion that by no means I can compete financially with those guys and it was a final straw. The bottomline is, that in order to be really good in Eve (I mean later stages) you have to build your own financial empire. I failed at building mine.
Don't tell me that 0.0 ratting does the trick - it doesn't. I've done it a lot and it's a boring repetitive and fruitless activity. It will not give you enough ISK to afford PvP T2 ships (except frig class maybe). Probably mining with mining alt. will be enough, but I didn't have alts, or T2 BPO, but I wasn't lucky enough to get it. After all, I've surrendered to ISK and left.
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You've made a very true observation.... EVE is like Lineage 2 in one big regard.... a player has to win the war on two fronts, both PVP and economically.
You can't just build up your combat skills, you have to find a way to make big money, either through whole scale mining operations, or research alts, or trading, and its very hard to do all this with one account. I'd say having 2 accounts is a minimum, and 3 or 4 even better for big money earning.
I've got two account now myself...and they are both training combat skills (one for Stealth OPs and one on the Sniper BS path). But earning enough ISk for the ships is a major issue, my Stealth bombers right now cost me about 85 million ISK each, and thats only because I left out a 30 million BCS out of my build....Considering I have 10 of them they were a decent investment....
Now thinking of creating a 3rd Industrial only account to work strictly on making ISK to fund my soon to be expensive Tech 2 Rokh habit.....
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This is one of the main reasons for BoB's success. It's not so much that they have players with millions of skillpoints and years of experience. It's that their industrial base is so strong and their pockets so deep that they can afford to fly the very best at all times. And if you destroy what they've got now, they'll come back with the same thing.
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I left because the game became tooo popular and the server got overcrowded, i was happy with 2000-5000 people playing on the server because alot of it was empty and not as many gold farmers. However now it's lag city and it's crowded everywhere
I'm always amazed when people say there is no grind in EVE. Also, 2.5 is a long time but if you had continued it's possible the dynamics would have changed in your favor. They often do. Still, any way you look at it, space is a cold harsh place and EVE is a cruel mistress.
I can not understand why people rush for the ultra-big-toys :-/
For flying battleships in combat its best to have a corp that builds them and an alliance that builds the equipement.
I would never attempt to waste my isk on a ship that dies so easily in 0.0 and costs so much. it WILL ruin the game for you.
Btw. Dictors, Ceptors, CovOps etc. are all needed in 0.0 Warfare. Everyone has a bs there, be different.
I left after 1 year , and tried EQ1 . I enjoy Eq1 much more than Eve or Wow something just got boring about them at end game. Not enough to do to advance my character. More challenge in EQ 1 .
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To make isk in EVE you need to realize that any obvious way to make isk, isn't a good way to make isk. NPCing, mission running, mining etc aren't that great ways of making isk because so many people do those things (also because they are boring).
I make enough isk to do pretty much 100% PvP in HACs, Dictors, BSs etc, by just spending 5 minutes a day modifying buy and sell orders and then maybe an hour once a week moving some mods.
But I will agree that it is difficult to make isk without an alt account, especially if your main is out in 0.0.
With that in mind, anyone thinking of opening an alt account should check out CCP's new "power of two" offer, which gives you a second account for 6 months for $50. You can find the offer on your account management page.
Thats one of the reasons I left EVE after almost a year of playing...
Money = Win. You cannot compete with the rich vets, whoever has the best mods and ship wins.
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Oh just take your hiatus and come on back. I have found after playing a game for that long you tend to get tunnel vision, you can only see one way of doing things. I am sure after you come back you will find that things have changed or you have and you may take the game by storm.
I take hiatusis all the time and I find when I come back I am a monster.
plus if you leave for good who is going to help the new guys learn how to play?
"And thus I clothe my naked villany/ with old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ/ and seem a saint when most I play the devil." Shakespeare's Richard III Act I Scene 3.
Personally I left EVE-Online after 3 years of playing because of SirMolle and CCP... left in March and so far I have not seen actions being taken to justify my return.
However I never once tought about others progress in the game and let that get in my way of achive my goals.
I belive people think too much about others and little about them self, my 40 million skillpoint character could deal with single pirates at times and lost at times ofcourse but I learned from my experiences.
I had 2 accounts so getting a new battleship where not really a problem either, my main character was also a good industrialist and I where always having minerals from my missionrunning around ready to rebuild any ship I lost.
When I left I still had 10 battleships in the hangar :-) and numerous of T2 stuff ... All ships where fully fitted.
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"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
How single minded of you if that is so then how did i in my tech 1 fitted ferox beat a 3 year old roving pirate in a Megathron with tech 2 equiptment then?
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
How single minded of you if that is so then how did i in my tech 1 fitted ferox beat a 3 year old roving pirate in a Megathron with tech 2 equiptment then?
Netzoko probably has a point here. You may beat someone who has a bigger/more expensive toy here and there, but most likely he will beat you. I was fighting ppl who were flying in HAC/command ship gangs nearly all the time (except when they were flying in fully fitted T2 BSs). I've seen interceptors going at 20k m/s when a pilot had full set of pirate implants which is worth more than I will ever have. I've lost my bs 1 on 1 in less than a minute to a faction bs pilot (and my bs skills are not that bad). Later same faction bs was tanking our 4 bs gang for 5 minutes before eventually escaping with 20% of structure. Back then it took the fun out of the game for me, when I was struggling to replenish my wallet million by million, those guys were regularily flying with billions of ISK in ships and modules, and were also replacing all that in a matter of hours.
so you got out gunned and out manuvered. It happenes to the best of us, nothing is safe and sacrid in pvp that is why I like it so much. Everything is always evolving and tactics are changing and we must change with it. All in all if you think your big and bad there will always be someone that will come and show you otherwise. The true test of your metal is what you do when you get pushed to your breaking point. So go take your hiatis, there is no need to explain it to us why you left, just go and come back revitalized and ready to give them what for.
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"And thus I clothe my naked villany/ with old odd ends stolen forth from holy writ/ and seem a saint when most I play the devil." Shakespeare's Richard III Act I Scene 3.
I know what you mean, money can hard to come by if you lack creativity. Ratting and mining are both damn boring activities and while offer steady supply of isk, they are far from the best ways to make money. Production and trading are the ways to become billionaire relatively easily though they require some basic understanding of economics. I'm not gonna reveal my tricks because I have enough competition already but I will just say that I started EVE years after you and I have easily over 10 billion isk. So don't blame your inability to make isk on the fact you started later than some, you are a vet compared to me and still I was able to get isk in an environment you claim to be controlled by these so called vets.
TBH this sounds like flame but I don't really mean it to be that. I just wanna point out that maybe you should consider that problem is with you and at least not completely with the game.
That is right, my small scale production I did for the corp (I where the one with a Freighter and great productionskills) we did easy net in like 250 million a month just by producing some ships...
It did mean that I had to travel to low sec to get the materials needed for production as it was back then atleast cheaper in low sec than high sec...
Was high competition on those ships but we could get like 2-8 million each ship I produced, on Battleships ... 10-15 million... each ship.
And then I did not travel too far to sell the ships either.
Ofcourse now minerals like Zyd and Megacyte are cheaper and as I have heard atleast .. Trit have gone up to almost 3 isk a unit now .. so that would drive the price of a ship up and less profit ofcourse.
I''ve been playing since 03 and I am just now. JUST now getting into the game. Finally in 0.0 without a battleship ratting away. Anways I guess I am happy for now but my intentions for the server are bad.
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...."except when they were flying in fully fitted T2 BSs...." Kind of hard to do since the T2 battleships are not in the game yet.
I do agree that you cannot pvp without isk. I left a corp that was in a huge war, could not afford to play.
That is what the big alliances do, they don't have to beat you in battles, they just wear you down economically. The problem with this game right now there are too many pets out there that blindly pay ridiculous fees to alliances like BoB for zero return.
Worst player in the game is without doubt SirMolle. He has made the game almost inaccessible for the majority of other players. Then again, the goons and RA are not that much better either.
B*****T tech 2 battleships are not even out till november
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
As for the pets, no one really forced them to pay those amounts of ISK to BoB. Every "pet" has/had own reasons and thought that the deal was actually worth it. It looks like RAGOONs are giving BoB some hard time and I can't say a thing about their arrangements with lesser entities because I wasn't already playing at the time of the Great War, but I doubt there will be much difference with BoB.
The reason why I have played EVE for 3.5 years is because it does let you have a break. If you work full time in a busy job I can leave it for 2 weeks and go back to it. I had to stop playing VG for 2 weeks and I quit when I got back because all my mates were at least 10 levels ahead of me and we couldn't team up.
Isk is an issue but I tend to go out in cruisers for PvP. That way I dont care if I lose the ship and I tend to have a lot more fun since I am not freaking out over losing 200million plus in ship + mods.
Recently I almost lost my Battleship to a T1 cruiser. So you don't always need the best ships / mods in the game.
Well I think things are actually getting a bit cheaper. Hulks used to go for 500 mil but I've seen them for as low as 109 mil recently. Battleships (T1) range from 60 mil to about 110 mil. A T2 covert ops cloak ran for about 80 mil 6 months ago but have seen them as cheap as 5 mil recently. Lots of other fittings and ship costs have also gone done.
However, your point is still extremely vaild, things are still very expensive and it's a pain in the ass to replace equipment even if you have access to 0.0. Whats is also a pain is that you often can't insure a ship for the amount you paid for it. For example, my Sacrilege cost me 150 mil but I can only insure it for about 9 million or thereabouts. I suppose this is done to prevent people from producing ships at cost and then blowing them up to get the retail value.
I think the high cost of everything puts a lot of people off and I don't see any quick fixes without revamping the entire economic system. On a positive note CCP has hired a real life financial advisor to help manage the economic aspects of the game and maybe that will help.
^^^^ Tech 2 prices always goes down to resonable levels. The time it takes for this to happen of course largly depends on the demand for the item. Afterall if many are willing to pay 500 million for a Hulk then therer is no reason to sellit for less.
However when supply exeeds demand than you have to start lowering prices to sell.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
-- Jean Rostand
60 million for a battleship ? it can't be the tier 2 one ... if so then someone is selling ships with a loss.
I remember when I was playing I could not produce a battleship (like Raven or Megathron) for less than 95 million isk, could probably push the price down to 90-92 but then I would not make anything, that would be cost of minerals.
And yeah I do have great industrial skills...
The costs have gone down and I am seeing Raven's selling for 80 million now. I don't think there is a huge issue now with ships and fittings. Yes its a pain in the arse if you lose a T2 BS etc. However if you are strapped for cash most level 4 missions will give around 10-20+ million in bounty, reward, salvaged stuff. I have sold a few ship mods for 20 million from the salvaged parts so it all adds up.
I think everyone is missing the point though. The OP played an mmo (EVE) for 2.5 years. That's an awesome run for any game.