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If this game had full avatar capability...
Netzoko
Member Posts: 1,271
in EVE Online
...A lot more people would be all over it. I think the main reason this game isn't totally loved is the lack of a real character. A portrait just doesn't cut it. You only interact with corp mates through a chat box.
The upcoming ambulation may add a bit to this, but that's only a social thing. If only EVE had full avatar features like combat, ect... Once PotBS comes out, many will leave. It features pretty much everything EVE has, plus more with the avatar branch.
What are everyone's thoughts on adding a full avatar system?
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btw i haven't been keeping up on PotBS but as far as i can tell the "full avatar" or toon is vastly lacking from combat videos Ive seen the combat is slow and not very well choreographed I haven't even looked at the ship combat but imho the character creation looks fun and maybe economy but I play games to generally enjoy pvp and if I'm spending 15 minutes slashing at some ones HP thats not very fun to me especially even if there is no "eye candy" to help it along. but if there is an updated version of the combat system send it my way as I always have an open mind.
Also during down time in corp activity or whatever I'd much rather be sitting in a bar at a station chatting it up with local Gentlemen of Fortune or other friends than sitting in my ship. So the slow progression of a "full avatar" is being played out very well, and I thank CCP for taking time to experiment rather than going full blown into it like another company namely SOE.
I've played PotBS and the PvP is crap. The game doesn't make any sense. If you want to PvP you need to NPC first to open up a PvP zone and to get into the contention battle.
Then if you actually capture a port you realize that there's no point to it. If you capture a port it doesn't really do anything. Everyone can still dock there and if pirtates take the port it just reverts back to the original owners in a day.
I wouldn't really consider the avatar system in PotBS a positive feature either. It plays like a game from 10 years ago and looks like crap.
EVE will still be going strong for a long time and they will undoubtable will add avatar combat at some point in the future. CCP will wait until they can do it right and there's a point to doing avatar combat. The expansion will also be free (unlike most other mmos).
*edit* oh and SOE is in charge of their billing system, so playing PotBS gives SOE money, even if it's fractions of pennies on the dollar.
Yes, would be a cool idea.
Wont be happen too soon though. Eve is a game with internet spaceships, not counter strike on spacestations.
The balancing of making a game in a game and the interaction of both parts would be horrible. CCP may go for it someday, but not soon
"You only interact with corp mates through a chat box"
This isn't really true. Ships may not be as flexiable as traditional characters, but plenty of interaction is possible between corp mates. It just dosn't follow the same guidelines as other games. BTW interaction between non corp mates can be down right nasty!
PoTBS having everything eve has?
last i checked it's not in space, doesn't have free pvp and there is no loss.
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Trust me when I say that if your'e hoping PoTBS to be something like EVE with ships... stop hoping. All the cool thigns they said it would have, it doesn't. All the really great ideas and gimmicks you hope it will have, it doesn't.
Gameplaywise you could port it to a PS1 and it still would work....
Full avatar combat is bascially a totally new game, also very expensive to make, CCP could not pay for this type of free expansion. It would either have to be a payed expansion or a totally new game . i.e. eve 2
But you are lightly to get friendly interactive avatars, like walking around space stations and walking on planets to setup your mining operations etc... but even this would be many thousands of hours of graphics work.
It would be very good to see though if they ever get around to doing it.
This depends on if they are making a world of darkness mmo or not. If they do they will likely use a lot of the same code for eve avatar combat. I believe that they are making one and I also believe that part of the reason for ambulation is that they want to test out some code for avatars.
It's also possible that CCP only aquired white wolf for their non game related skills simply to expand the EVE franchise (stories, the card game, an EVE rpg, etc).
They are already going someway to doing this with the Ambulation project. So one day we will in eve be doing pretty much what you have said.
And as for POTBS ive been foollowing it too for a few years and i ahve to say in its current form im dissapointed.
When it was first started it prommised the following...
- A real econoomy
- Full PvP with few if any 'safe' zones very much like eve.
- A full guild structure
- Exiting Avitat V avitar conbat [for example in ship bourdings of tavern brawls].
Now tho all of the above had been changed making this game very different to a Naval esc version of EvE. Which would ahve appealed to the EvE players more than whats therre now.
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Retired from: Neocron, Everquest, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, RF Online and Final Fantasy VII
Currently Playing : EvE Online.
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It does have free PvP in most places, just play a pirate, and you -can- lose your ship. Better check again. {Mod Edit}
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I can see CCP implementing Space Station ambulation, but actual combat I doubt will ever come to the game... as others noted, your are talking about creating a whole new game.....
but then again...if they did...I wouldn't complain......
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The majority of players in EVE use either Teamspeak or Ventrilo to communicate. A little box to chat is not the primary means to communicate with corp mates.
PotBS? Yeah, right. If anyone leaves EVE for that game they weren't playing EVE to begin with.
I don't think fps type combat really fits the EVE atmosphere. Plus it doesn't really make much sense that the ownership of stations with millions of inhabitants or even ships with tens of thousands of crew members would be decided by few guys running around shooting stuff.
Its like i was telling a corpmate about thistype of topic Ambulation will bring about the basics of this type of system. With promosis from devs to expand it when they know more about what people want in it and what it actually needs.
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Retired from: Neocron, Everquest, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, RF Online and Final Fantasy VII
Currently Playing : EvE Online.
I don't see why people are afraid of this happening. Do you think these things just happen automatically as soon as you have enough money?
First of, CCP is a private company, so its impossible to have a hostile take over. Second, for someone to "buy them out" they would have to be "for sale". CCP has said that they don't ever see themselves going public for exactly that reason. Nor would they sell the company.
The only thing that could happen is that they invest too much in the WoD MMO and it flops leaving them with a huge debt. But CCP has been a similar situation before (more than you probably know with EVE), before they even had customers and a loyal fan base to encourage them, and they are still here.
Adding a full(ish) ground combat game would be a good way for CCP to test out PvE and PvP mechanics prior to implementation in a new future White Wolf gameworld. The best thing with EVE is that any ground game that they give players would be considered by most to be a "free bonus minigame", so even if it was pretty rough and ready people would probably love it as a "dabble" away from space, as long as their implants were not at risk!
Besides, if they can't work out how to let you make your marines attack then there is no way that they could do Ghouls justice in a White Wolf setting...
I stuck my idea for the whole FPS style combat in stations here yesterday. I dont want to see Eve's stations become some shoot'em up place but I do think some form of FPS would be good, hence, doing it in a Mind Clash sort of way.
As for the take over...meh. CCP bought the rights to their game back just after relese anyways so I dont think they would sell it again.
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It does have free PvP in most places, just play a pirate, and you -can- lose your ship. Better check again. {Mod Edit}
"In most places" aka, it does not have free pvp. And the loss isn't like EVE, you don't lose your ship after one death.
Star Trek Online supposed to have avatar control and ship control right? That is if it ever comes out.
Last I heard they finally realized the problem with space combat and walking in ships. Fighting is just too quick in games to allow things like boarding actions. So while EVE is going Ship combat no in space avatar action, STO is going the opposite way with ship combat either highly restricted or non-exsistant ship combat but allowing you to walk around in your ships.
Eve always had full avatar capability, the difference being that you can attach lasers and hold combat drones...Most MMORPG's let you stare at pretty character models with red spiked hair and cool black shades doing /rude and /highfive to one another...
The point is, in Eve, your character is inserted inside a metallic pod which is then injected into your ship, it would get tiresome fast to go through the procedure of being removed(I would imagine that being a lengthy procedure) from your pod just to /flex and /highfive one another, and generally showing off any phat loot you have obtained. It just wouldn't be practical for the games theme.
Even having fully controllable 3D avatars, you'll always be limited in scope as what you can do compared with the rest of the game, because most of the game is set in outside space in pretty looking ships with the added bonus of not having to put up with other players dodgy dress sense complete with spiked purple coloured hairstyles and /thrusting or /spit'ing at one another...
Mind you, with Ambulation just around the corner, and god knows what along the lines of getting more ways to hug one another, I just hope Eve remains a hard hitting space flight sim which shows no mercy to it's players.
but ships cant dance OOOOOHHHHHHH!! SNAP! lol
i remember seeing the following video of the avatars: http://www.tentonhammer.com/index.php?q=node/620 and it looks really good, the guy filming keeps asking if its in-game and not pre-rendered lol, i guess that is dx10 graphics.
I also remember reading on the main website of EVE that they want to implement station combat or something in the future.. so this is a start and we will se hella lot more in the future
Banzai!
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It does have free PvP in most places, just play a pirate, and you -can- lose your ship. Better check again. {Mod Edit}
"In most places" aka, it does not have free pvp. And the loss isn't like EVE, you don't lose your ship after one death.
Let's be honest, Empire space does exist, and a large population is there A LOT. You can't act like EVE is totally free when you get Concorded near instantly in a large percentage of the universe.