Let's be honest, Empire space does exist, and a large population is there A LOT. You can't act like EVE is totally free when you get Concorded near instantly in a large percentage of the universe.
Actually, you are quite correct, Empire space is fairly safe for most players. But try loading a freighter up with a lot of valuable gear and see how easy it is to be attacked and killed in it. Suicide gankers are happy to tackle good targets like this....
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last i checked it's not in space, doesn't have free pvp and there is no loss.
gg, epic fail
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It does have free PvP in most places, just play a pirate, and you -can- lose your ship. Better check again. {Mod Edit}
"In most places" aka, it does not have free pvp. And the loss isn't like EVE, you don't lose your ship after one death.
Let's be honest, Empire space does exist, and a large population is there A LOT. You can't act like EVE is totally free when you get Concorded near instantly in a large percentage of the universe.
Fair enough, but I'd still hold that "you can't pvp here" is farther from pure open pvp than "you're strongly encouraged NOT to pvp here, but you can".
...A lot more people would be all over it. I think the main reason this game isn't totally loved is the lack of a real character. A portrait just doesn't cut it. You only interact with corp mates through a chat box.
The upcoming ambulation may add a bit to this, but that's only a social thing. If only EVE had full avatar features like combat, ect... Once PotBS comes out, many will leave. It features pretty much everything EVE has, plus more with the avatar branch.
What are everyone's thoughts on adding a full avatar system?
You have it all wrong.
Serious death penalties makes every close call an adrenaline rush, and every minor achievement a major victory. This alternative rule-set should be in all MMORPGs.
last i checked it's not in space, doesn't have free pvp and there is no loss.
gg, epic fail
{Mod Edit}
It does have free PvP in most places, just play a pirate, and you -can- lose your ship. Better check again. {Mod Edit}
"In most places" aka, it does not have free pvp. And the loss isn't like EVE, you don't lose your ship after one death.
Let's be honest, Empire space does exist, and a large population is there A LOT. You can't act like EVE is totally free when you get Concorded near instantly in a large percentage of the universe.
Fair enough, but I'd still hold that "you can't pvp here" is farther from pure open pvp than "you're strongly encouraged NOT to pvp here, but you can".
wrong , wardec whomever you wanna kill's corp and the only safe spot in eve is in a station
What a pointless post so far of track it should b e deleted. The OP here is obviously clueless about the current state of EVE and what POTBS will deliver.
EvE is on the up and expanding with subscriptions rising day by day, a lot more depth than POTBS will ever have. I wonder if it will take years in POTBS to get that ship of the line somhow i don't think so.
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What a pointless post so far of track it should b e deleted. The OP here is obviously clueless about the current state of EVE and what POTBS will deliver. EvE is on the up and expanding with subscriptions rising day by day, a lot more depth than POTBS will ever have. I wonder if it will take years in POTBS to get that ship of the line somhow i don't think so.
and potbs is a instanced piece of crap when you go into to battle you get sent to a instance. how is that open pvp?
I don't see how a single system is any different than an instance. You "load" into a system the same way you load into a specific instance. How is it any different?
and potbs is a instanced piece of crap when you go into to battle you get sent to a instance. how is that open pvp?
I don't see how a single system is any different than an instance. You "load" into a system the same way you load into a specific instance. How is it any different?
It's a closed system. There's limits as to who can enter, and who can exit, and when they can exit.
Essentially, Kano wants a system where you can be jumped by anyone, anywhere, anytime, with no warning.
and potbs is a instanced piece of crap when you go into to battle you get sent to a instance. how is that open pvp?
I don't see how a single system is any different than an instance. You "load" into a system the same way you load into a specific instance. How is it any different?
It's a closed system. There's limits as to who can enter, and who can exit, and when they can exit.
Essentially, Kano wants a system where you can be jumped by anyone, anywhere, anytime, with no warning.
exactly makes pvp that more exciting to know that some random player or gang could jump into the fight for whatever reason
As for the full avatar system. I have one its called my ship why would a i need a "toon"? to what jump around and dance and all that kinda crap. na im all set . i really think the only reason ccp is even doin the avatar in station stuff is more to do with world of darkness. they are goin to use a version of the new trinity engine im sure so guess they figure they can use eve as a testbed since the wod mmo is ages off
I voted no for one reason. Although i would like to be able to get out of my ship and walk around the stations a bit I think that acual combat with ruin the feel of EVE. its hard to explain how but to me it just would. Also, i think it would be very hard for ccp to do it right and make it look good.
I voted no for one reason. Although i would like to be able to get out of my ship and walk around the stations a bit I think that acual combat with ruin the feel of EVE. its hard to explain how but to me it just would. Also, i think it would be very hard for ccp to do it right and make it look good.
So far there are no plans for combat inside stations. CCP has said this.
You, sir, are a fricken idiot if you think people will leave EvE for a sea-bound-pirategame. Why do you think people who come through the first few hours of EvE wanting to play it do so? space piracy alone? no way. If a game is ever to take a noticable number of customers from EvE Online, it has to be a space game. A realistic space game. With ships, complicated economy, politics, maths and the lot. To some, the future is simply vastly more interesting than the past.
pirates of the burning seas...wtf...I'm still laughing.
Oh and I do look forward to being able to walk around inside stations, and I do believe they will add planet maps some time in the future too, simply because if you read the short stories people write, the many worlds of Eve is something people are extremely curious about, and rightly so. So maybe you will see your fighting avatars one day, walking through the realistic but eerily alien landscape of some hospitable planet in Zaimeth-or-whatever. Maybe you'll see ground based secret battles between the Caldari and the Gallente, or the Minmatar and the Amarr. Who knows. It's something people would like to see, though, I'm sure. and CCP actually cares about that to my knowledge.
For the people that actually play EVE (I am not among them, trial is as far as I got)do you not feel that EVE would no longer be EVE with a ground game. I only ask becasue I thought that SWG lost a lot when it bought out the space combat. I liked it but it still changed the game fundamentally, for starters it thinned out the population more than it already was at that time.
If EVE had a ground game it would pull alot of people out of their ships and change the overall mechanics of the game. I'm not saying it couldn't be done well and even enhance the game, but gamers are funny things and change, good or bad, is not always well accepted.
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For the people that actually play EVE (I am not among them, trial is as far as I got)do you not feel that EVE would no longer be EVE with a ground game. I only ask becasue I thought that SWG lost a lot when it bought out the space combat. I liked it but it still changed the game fundamentally, for starters it thinned out the population more than it already was at that time. If EVE had a ground game it would pull alot of people out of their ships and change the overall mechanics of the game. I'm not saying it couldn't be done well and even enhance the game, but gamers are funny things and change, good or bad, is not always well accepted.
In SWG the JTL was pointless only needed it for vehicle repair kits later on and even then if you were smart you didnt need one. and I think/hope CCP would have the common sense to look at previous games namely SWG and see where the devs went wrong. IF in the future CCP decides to take the ambulation part of the game into station based, ground based, or boarding other people's ships for combat, I think we can count on them making a good reason to do so, also they are adding atmosphereic flight for planets so if ground battles happen not everyone would be getting out of their ships. so I seriously doubt CCP will mess up EVE due to some walking around and a few futuristic shotguns and AR's. Who knows maybe they will make a mineral that can only be found on planets that is needed for something big later or maybe player cities will emerge unlike SWG that actually can have their ships launch and land in, EVE is set up for limitless possibilities and the only thing limiting it is the fan base and dev's imagination.
In my mind, Eve was, from the start, the vastest online game there is, and there are so many systems out there with very few people in them at any time, I wouldn't want to count them... I think that's part of the game to me, and the same with places like Jita and Rens... I think that's how it would be if you added ground based gameplay to the mix...
Someone from CCP once said that the pod pilots of EvE are like rockstars, and there're still few of them, compared to common folk, or even station folk. Getting from a planet surface to space is almost impossible according to lore and that would mean, that they'd want to implement a few planets at a time, planets with some newly developed system of communication with space...
Maybe alliances would be given the opportunity to make such ''space bridges'' for their own use, to un-colonised planets...who knows.. if they even make something like this possible, it wouldn't be next year, or the year after that I'm sure.. but the idea has been mentioned. There are certainly painted pictures of cities and landscapes on planets. I think it would add to the game rather than break it, simply because this would be in the future, years from now, and games in genreal have probably changed a lot by then.
when I started playing Eve two years ago, we rarely saw more than 15000 people online at a time, and now I've seen twice that many, if not more, people online. I think it will continue to grow, because some people like this kind of game. ''it's not for everyone'' is a term you may not fully understand till you played, and LIKED, Eve.
Ambulation Project is just for social interaction. Any true EVE player could care less about it. Fix the god damn drones first before they do anything else. I'm looking for the improved graphics and the T2 Battleships! Been playing EVE for 4 years now and I have loved every minute of it.
Ambulation Project is just for social interaction. Any true EVE player could care less about it. Fix the god damn drones first before they do anything else. I'm looking for the improved graphics and the T2 Battleships! Been playing EVE for 4 years now and I have loved every minute of it.
I like how one person can speak out for the majoraty in some communities.
YES its just a social tool.
NO that isant the extent of it, Eventually CCP will be adding more stuff to it as and when the community asks for it [such as mind clash arenas].
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Even if its only a social tool..my Alliance will use it from day one. We already know what for. And if CCP goes with the suggestions in their forum, we will get some spiffy stuff too, that will be useful with strategic planning..
I can see CCP implementing Space Station ambulation, but actual combat I doubt will ever come to the game... as others noted, your are talking about creating a whole new game..... but then again...if they did...I wouldn't complain......
Actually ambulation is only the first phase. If you read some of the interviews with oveur and other bigwigs at CCP their ultimate goal IS to allow for in character PVP at some future date. Not yet... and probably not in stations, at least not the main areas, but eventually they do want to have both planetary exploration and conquest as well as PVP at the avatar level.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Ambulation Project is just for social interaction. Any true EVE player could care less about it. Fix the god damn drones first before they do anything else. I'm looking for the improved graphics and the T2 Battleships! Been playing EVE for 4 years now and I have loved every minute of it.
Dunno... I consider myself a "true EVE player" and I'm very much looking forward to the ambulation project.
Speak for yourself please.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
...A lot more people would be all over it. I think the main reason this game isn't totally loved is the lack of a real character. A portrait just doesn't cut it. You only interact with corp mates through a chat box.
The upcoming ambulation may add a bit to this, but that's only a social thing. If only EVE had full avatar features like combat, ect... Once PotBS comes out, many will leave. It features pretty much everything EVE has, plus more with the avatar branch.
What are everyone's thoughts on adding a full avatar system?
why add the potbs option in the poll that game is gonna suck.. instanced pvp bleh
Thought they tossed this out of development? Or are they waiting for ambulation to go live before they release more info. That was forever ago i saw that atmospheric leak.
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Actually, you are quite correct, Empire space is fairly safe for most players. But try loading a freighter up with a lot of valuable gear and see how easy it is to be attacked and killed in it. Suicide gankers are happy to tackle good targets like this....
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{Mod Edit}
It does have free PvP in most places, just play a pirate, and you -can- lose your ship. Better check again. {Mod Edit}
"In most places" aka, it does not have free pvp. And the loss isn't like EVE, you don't lose your ship after one death.
Let's be honest, Empire space does exist, and a large population is there A LOT. You can't act like EVE is totally free when you get Concorded near instantly in a large percentage of the universe.
Fair enough, but I'd still hold that "you can't pvp here" is farther from pure open pvp than "you're strongly encouraged NOT to pvp here, but you can".
You have it all wrong.
Serious death penalties makes every close call an adrenaline rush, and every minor achievement a major victory. This alternative rule-set should be in all MMORPGs.
{Mod Edit}
It does have free PvP in most places, just play a pirate, and you -can- lose your ship. Better check again. {Mod Edit}
"In most places" aka, it does not have free pvp. And the loss isn't like EVE, you don't lose your ship after one death.
Let's be honest, Empire space does exist, and a large population is there A LOT. You can't act like EVE is totally free when you get Concorded near instantly in a large percentage of the universe.
Fair enough, but I'd still hold that "you can't pvp here" is farther from pure open pvp than "you're strongly encouraged NOT to pvp here, but you can".
wrong , wardec whomever you wanna kill's corp and the only safe spot in eve is in a station
and potbs is a instanced piece of crap when you go into to battle you get sent to a instance. how is that open pvp?
What a pointless post so far of track it should b e deleted. The OP here is obviously clueless about the current state of EVE and what POTBS will deliver.
EvE is on the up and expanding with subscriptions rising day by day, a lot more depth than POTBS will ever have. I wonder if it will take years in POTBS to get that ship of the line somhow i don't think so.
Pointless i'll informed post
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Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Indeed.
I don't see how a single system is any different than an instance. You "load" into a system the same way you load into a specific instance. How is it any different?
I don't see how a single system is any different than an instance. You "load" into a system the same way you load into a specific instance. How is it any different?
It's a closed system. There's limits as to who can enter, and who can exit, and when they can exit.Essentially, Kano wants a system where you can be jumped by anyone, anywhere, anytime, with no warning.
I don't see how a single system is any different than an instance. You "load" into a system the same way you load into a specific instance. How is it any different?
It's a closed system. There's limits as to who can enter, and who can exit, and when they can exit.Essentially, Kano wants a system where you can be jumped by anyone, anywhere, anytime, with no warning.
exactly makes pvp that more exciting to know that some random player or gang could jump into the fight for whatever reason
As for the full avatar system. I have one its called my ship why would a i need a "toon"? to what jump around and dance and all that kinda crap. na im all set . i really think the only reason ccp is even doin the avatar in station stuff is more to do with world of darkness. they are goin to use a version of the new trinity engine im sure so guess they figure they can use eve as a testbed since the wod mmo is ages off
I voted no for one reason. Although i would like to be able to get out of my ship and walk around the stations a bit I think that acual combat with ruin the feel of EVE. its hard to explain how but to me it just would. Also, i think it would be very hard for ccp to do it right and make it look good.
As for making it look good check the video here.
You, sir, are a fricken idiot if you think people will leave EvE for a sea-bound-pirategame. Why do you think people who come through the first few hours of EvE wanting to play it do so? space piracy alone? no way. If a game is ever to take a noticable number of customers from EvE Online, it has to be a space game. A realistic space game. With ships, complicated economy, politics, maths and the lot. To some, the future is simply vastly more interesting than the past.
pirates of the burning seas...wtf...I'm still laughing.
Oh and I do look forward to being able to walk around inside stations, and I do believe they will add planet maps some time in the future too, simply because if you read the short stories people write, the many worlds of Eve is something people are extremely curious about, and rightly so. So maybe you will see your fighting avatars one day, walking through the realistic but eerily alien landscape of some hospitable planet in Zaimeth-or-whatever. Maybe you'll see ground based secret battles between the Caldari and the Gallente, or the Minmatar and the Amarr. Who knows. It's something people would like to see, though, I'm sure. and CCP actually cares about that to my knowledge.
For the people that actually play EVE (I am not among them, trial is as far as I got)do you not feel that EVE would no longer be EVE with a ground game. I only ask becasue I thought that SWG lost a lot when it bought out the space combat. I liked it but it still changed the game fundamentally, for starters it thinned out the population more than it already was at that time.
If EVE had a ground game it would pull alot of people out of their ships and change the overall mechanics of the game. I'm not saying it couldn't be done well and even enhance the game, but gamers are funny things and change, good or bad, is not always well accepted.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Thats probably what ccp is afraid of, so they wont develop counter strike in space.
i hope.
In SWG the JTL was pointless only needed it for vehicle repair kits later on and even then if you were smart you didnt need one. and I think/hope CCP would have the common sense to look at previous games namely SWG and see where the devs went wrong. IF in the future CCP decides to take the ambulation part of the game into station based, ground based, or boarding other people's ships for combat, I think we can count on them making a good reason to do so, also they are adding atmosphereic flight for planets so if ground battles happen not everyone would be getting out of their ships. so I seriously doubt CCP will mess up EVE due to some walking around and a few futuristic shotguns and AR's. Who knows maybe they will make a mineral that can only be found on planets that is needed for something big later or maybe player cities will emerge unlike SWG that actually can have their ships launch and land in, EVE is set up for limitless possibilities and the only thing limiting it is the fan base and dev's imagination.
In my mind, Eve was, from the start, the vastest online game there is, and there are so many systems out there with very few people in them at any time, I wouldn't want to count them... I think that's part of the game to me, and the same with places like Jita and Rens... I think that's how it would be if you added ground based gameplay to the mix...
Someone from CCP once said that the pod pilots of EvE are like rockstars, and there're still few of them, compared to common folk, or even station folk. Getting from a planet surface to space is almost impossible according to lore and that would mean, that they'd want to implement a few planets at a time, planets with some newly developed system of communication with space...
Maybe alliances would be given the opportunity to make such ''space bridges'' for their own use, to un-colonised planets...who knows.. if they even make something like this possible, it wouldn't be next year, or the year after that I'm sure.. but the idea has been mentioned. There are certainly painted pictures of cities and landscapes on planets. I think it would add to the game rather than break it, simply because this would be in the future, years from now, and games in genreal have probably changed a lot by then.
when I started playing Eve two years ago, we rarely saw more than 15000 people online at a time, and now I've seen twice that many, if not more, people online. I think it will continue to grow, because some people like this kind of game. ''it's not for everyone'' is a term you may not fully understand till you played, and LIKED, Eve.
Ambulation Project is just for social interaction. Any true EVE player could care less about it. Fix the god damn drones first before they do anything else. I'm looking for the improved graphics and the T2 Battleships! Been playing EVE for 4 years now and I have loved every minute of it.
YES its just a social tool.
NO that isant the extent of it, Eventually CCP will be adding more stuff to it as and when the community asks for it [such as mind clash arenas].
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Retired from: Neocron, Everquest, Everquest 2, Guild Wars, RF Online and Final Fantasy VII
Currently Playing : EvE Online.
Even if its only a social tool..my Alliance will use it from day one. We already know what for. And if CCP goes with the suggestions in their forum, we will get some spiffy stuff too, that will be useful with strategic planning..
Actually ambulation is only the first phase. If you read some of the interviews with oveur and other bigwigs at CCP their ultimate goal IS to allow for in character PVP at some future date. Not yet... and probably not in stations, at least not the main areas, but eventually they do want to have both planetary exploration and conquest as well as PVP at the avatar level.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Dunno... I consider myself a "true EVE player" and I'm very much looking forward to the ambulation project.
Speak for yourself please.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
why add the potbs option in the poll that game is gonna suck.. instanced pvp bleh
"also they are adding atmosphereic flight for planets so if ground battles happen not everyone would be getting out of their ships..."
-Deltawraith
Thought they tossed this out of development? Or are they waiting for ambulation to go live before they release more info. That was forever ago i saw that atmospheric leak.