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How are the bots?
Has the botting problem gooten better or worse in the last 6 months?
Me and my wife left due to the bots last time, and have been playing eq2 and AO since then.
I am wondering how NC has handled or not handled the bots as of late.
Please dont just bash em, im not interested in bias opinions, just facts/clear observations
My god has horns.... nah, I don't think he is real either.
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tbh its pretty much the same. If you left because of bots last time, I don't think you will enjoy it now. I don't let bots ruin the game for me. They are mostly in the cata's and necro's anyway. But most any mmorpg games i have played had bots. Oh and btw how does EQ2 compare to L2.? I played the faydwer expansion but couldn't get into it.
the thing is catas r the best place to lvl lol that is why i got soooo annoyed
and EQ2 is a very good game, the first few lvls do suck, but it gets better later on
My god has horns.... nah, I don't think he is real either.
Well, I can only speak for myself - but I rarely see bots. Granted, I mostly hunt in FOTD, but I do hunt other places as well. I went all the way through Disciples the other day and didn't see a single bot group. Not one. And I took my lowbie dorf into Sacrifice and it was completely deserted. The only place I really see bot groups anymore are WOA (of course - that's been bot heaven since it was first put in game...)
I'm not saying the bots aren't there, but I think NCsoft is doing a better job of cleaning them up because they're not nearly as prevalent as they used to be, IMO.
I just know like 5 people are going to come disagree with me, screaming bloody murder about how NCsoft is in kahoots w/ the bot programmers, blah blah blah... like I said, I can only speak for myself. And myself has not seen a lot of bots recently.
Just read the official L2 forums and find out for yourself. I'll just say that you won't be happy with the topics you see.
still bad at least on Franz i dont know about the other server's and how many farmer's they have, but i guess it's still the same with NCsoft not caring.
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77552
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78845
i play on teon and i was gone for about 2 months and when i came back I have seen a huge decline in bots, but maybe thats just me.
The bots are fat and happy. They work flawlessly.
Depends on the server. Overall bot populations have dropped, but I think it's more a matter of economics than NCSoft doing anything. There are so many hunting grounds that every level had great places to xp that aren't bot-friendly. Cata's and Necros are bot-infested because they are, basically, easy and predictable. FOTD is nightmarish for bot groups because of the topography and changing mobs. Some hunting areas just are HARD for highly organized *cough* players because of their lack of predictability and/or geography. This makes those areas less boring for the rest of us as well.
Franz is maybe the worst server for botting and is high population, and many of the trains are leveling trains vs. farmer trains. The farmers still lock down some areas of end game gear (Varka's area for drac bow shafts for example) ... but that too leads to its own form of fun with some really staggering HUGE trains getting built and run about when either farmer wars or farmer-baiting breaks out (nothing like a sws on a fast strider to bring the whole place to its knees).
Lionna, a mid to low population server is the other server I play heavily on. It has fewer bots and the last ban hammer period cleared out some long time farmer monopolies. Not sure if the economy can support the bots that Franz does. I've seen fewer "bronze dwarves" committing suicide on Lionna than on most other servers I visit. Lionna is also the unofficial "RP" server, but I think it attracts a more fun crowd.
Each server has its own personality ... I've not been on the others long enough to expound on their unique situations ... just have lowbies planted in newbie areas to check out some things from time to time.
Also, expect the big ban hammer to hit over the next 2 months with the PTS coming out in November and the new chronical releasing in December. Historically, massive bannings hit in this time frame. I think its because NCSoft figures the banned accounts will buy new ones vs. quit to get to the new content.
might have to try lionna then
i was on kain and it was pretty annoying
My god has horns.... nah, I don't think he is real either.
Worst infestations are in the lowbie areas where they farm for basic mats. The newbie buffs make it easy for bots and they commit suicide to keep their levels under 20. But if you get some help/gear/buffs, you'll be past 20 so fast you can pretty much ignore them until you start looking at cata/necro groups or are very high level and trying to get your sub-class badges in Varkas or Ketra areas.
One of the funniest things I ever saw was an orc village NPC guard get KILLED by the sheer number of bronze dwarves attacking it so they would get killed. You couldn't even see the NPC, just mounds of frenzied suicide dwarves. Those were some really lost little bots when the guard went poof. This was on either Kain or Hindemith several months ago. Haven't seen concentrations like that since. I see lots of newbie areas on various servers because me and my friends like to run races across the continents from newbie villages on a baseline level 5 character to some ridiculously far point.
if that actly is true for farmer's its not at all true for the player poupulation it's only gotten worse with botting and will contiune to do so with NCsoft...
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91403
im not saying it's impossiebel to lvl up without botting, but it's never gonna get fixed or get better just worse, dosen't matter if the farmer population decreases cause the player population decreases, just means they's less people playing this game...
what about excecrution grounds, paratiasns hideaway, hardymans acadamy, on teon they's a lot off farmer infested spots from 1 to 80 not to mention the occisanly player botting it gets annyoing fast...
Well I'm surprised to find myself saying this because I'd been one to always bash L2 for its botting in the past... And I don't know if it's just the timing or what, but I recently came back and the trains I used to see constantly running in DEV and out around the Swamp were nowhere to be found. Same in the Dwarven Village. This is in over 2-3 weeks time so far. I haven't seen one. I'm pretty blown away.
A couple people in a new clan I'm in have reassured me that they'll be back, that NC had just recently done a banning, but so far, I haven't seen any.
Also, in the cats. I wanted to go pick up a G/R/B seal stone so I could start buying 'em back and was, again, assured that I wouldn't be able to find a single free mob, nevermind a room, in a Cat/Necro. I decided to try anyway... Went down into NoS and went through at least 3 rooms that were empty. No bots. Not even any players.
So if it is just a "down-time" 'til the bots are all re-upped and leveled, then it's lasting a while. Longer than I ever remember it lasting.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
However I'm a fan of NCsoft, i should say they're lazy lately... there are thousands of private L2 servers, which they know of, but they don't do anything about them. If they don't do anything about private servers, how many chance do you have that they'll ban botters? Altough I should say (i don't know if it's Arenanet of NCsoft) but they're banning thousands of botters on Guild Wars. So they're doing good on their other games, it won't take long for them to start on L2, will it?
*Hoping NCsoft is going to do something about the private L2 servers... even my friend has one, and i want to see him suffer
, NCsoft has done it before (with some help of the FBI) I'm sure they'll do it again!*
You know it, the best way to realize your dreams is waking up and start moving, never lose hope and always keep up.
on Teon they pretty much every where cause it still has a okay population
I have a feeling that NCSOFT is somewhat giving up on the North American & European Servers and focusing mainly on the Korean servers, since it is the one of the most popular games over there. Guild Wars is very popular in North America so they are going to give more attention to banning bots, and I am sure if there were any Guild War private servers they would be shut down right away. Just as they most likely keep a closure eye on the Korean servers.
According to Lineage II "the Epic Collection" box, which I am looking at right now, there are over 14 million subscribers. Yet I can think of only a few stores which sells the game, some stores have even told me they have discontinued selling Lineage II outright (along with NCSOFT timecards).
I know you can download the game over the internet, but you can download many MMORPGs over the internet the difference is you can find them plentiful at any retail store which sells video games. You would think the same for a game that has 14 million subscribers.
I play Lineage II and I can't count how many times other gamers never heard of Lineage II. The bottom line is although it is a very popular game in other countries, it is not very popular in the United States and this may be a reason that NCSOFT and there management towards North American and European servers is lacking.
As for private servers believe what you want about L2J and L2Off servers and the moral and legal issues. Lineage 2 made a huge deal that they were cracking down when L2Extreme got shut down. I believe that the FBI did not shut them down for running a private server but for tax evasion (L2 Extreme collected thousands and thousands of dollars through donations) and NCSOFT just piggy-backed the FBI and tweaked the story so they would be getting all the credit. As for the botters I see them everyday, and it becomes very obvious when NCSOFT is hyping up a 14-day free trial,....the bot levels soar.
i think its up on 17 million subscribers all over the world, but here in NA they's only about 60.000, to 70.000 subscribers
on Teon they pretty much every where cause it still has a okay population
I play on Gustin currently and, while it's not one of the more heavily populated servers, I still see plenty of people around. All the usual spots are teeming; Giran is still a maze of private shops to navigate, etc.
I've created toons on other servers, as well, to see how they were, including Siegehardt, etc. Similarly, I saw no bot trains in the lowbie areas there either.
Fewer bots due to lower population is one thing.. but that a lower pop would result in no bots at all? I think that's a stretch.
It might well be that I just caught it on the tail-end of a mass banning, but it's been almost 3 weeks now since I rolled on Gustin, and still no bot trains, in DEV, in EV or in DV. It took them about 1.5 weeks in the past to get back up to speed.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
on Teon they pretty much every where cause it still has a okay population
I play on Gustin currently and, while it's not one of the more heavily populated servers, I still see plenty of people around. All the usual spots are teeming; Giran is still a maze of private shops to navigate, etc.
I've created toons on other servers, as well, to see how they were, including Siegehardt, etc. Similarly, I saw no bot trains in the lowbie areas there either.
Fewer bots due to lower population is one thing.. but that a lower pop would result in no bots at all? I think that's a stretch.
It might well be that I just caught it on the tail-end of a mass banning, but it's been almost 3 weeks now since I rolled on Gustin, and still no bot trains, in DEV, in EV or in DV. It took them about 1.5 weeks in the past to get back up to speed.
yere okay off course ncsoft is gonna ban well over half they player base, i suggest you start up a toon on Franz where 90% off the population bot's it shoulden't be hard for you to relaise that ncsoft dosen't care.
what server do you play on? ever figuried that your server is pretty much empty so it mean's less people is ebaying, so less farmers its simpleon Teon they pretty much every where cause it still has a okay population
I play on Gustin currently and, while it's not one of the more heavily populated servers, I still see plenty of people around. All the usual spots are teeming; Giran is still a maze of private shops to navigate, etc.
I've created toons on other servers, as well, to see how they were, including Siegehardt, etc. Similarly, I saw no bot trains in the lowbie areas there either.
Fewer bots due to lower population is one thing.. but that a lower pop would result in no bots at all? I think that's a stretch.
It might well be that I just caught it on the tail-end of a mass banning, but it's been almost 3 weeks now since I rolled on Gustin, and still no bot trains, in DEV, in EV or in DV. It took them about 1.5 weeks in the past to get back up to speed.
yere okay off course ncsoft is gonna ban well over half they player base, i suggest you start up a toon on Franz where 90% off the population bot's it shoulden't be hard for you to relaise that ncsoft dosen't care.
You know what... save the sarcastic comments. They're unfounded.
I've played L2 well long enough to know how the botting situation is and has been. I don't need you or anyone else to "fill me in" on what it's like or should be like. I've done my fair share of reporting and bitching about the problem myself over time. I've also never contested that NCSoft "cares more about botting now than they did". I'm only reporting what I've seen myself. The reasons are whatever they are.
I played L2 in Beta, in Prelude and then on and off through C1-C2, then played at the start of C3 on up 'til just before C5 landed. I know very well what the bot situation was like. I remember very well seeing armies of dwarven clones running around DEV on perfectly pre-set patterns. I remember going out to the swamp-lands and they were everywhere. It was impossible to get to a single zombie or bat without having at least 1 other bot, more often two, going for the same one. I remember seeing them many other places.
I remember one particularly bold RMT group openly holding Baium hostage - killing anyone who would even try to get near him - even for a quest.
I remember having to clear out rooms, no matter how far in you went, to be able to xp in a Cat or Necro. I remember seeing them swarming many other areas on a regular basis. I've "forcefully negotiated" with plenty of them, going red more than a few times in the process.
I also remember after NCSoft had done a banning, you didn't see them anywhere for about 1.5-2 weeks. The price of mats skyrocketed as people had to start gathering their own materials. I remember people pissed off at NC for banning them because "now the prices are ridiculous". This was the point at which I realized the bots officially "owned" Lineage 2 and had the player-base in the palm of their collective hand. I've never held any illusions otherwise since; I've learned to deal with it and just play the game, reporting or otherwise dealing with them as they get in my way.
I've been there through all of that. I don't need to be "reminded" or "educated".
I also know what I see now when I log in... to any server. Again, perhaps it's in a lull between bannings or something and the bots aren't up to speed. Perhaps they've changed their tactics and don't hang out in the usual spots anymore. What I know is what I see. And what I've seen for the past few weeks since I've been back is a notable absence of the bot trains that used to overflow numerous areas.
I'm in the US so I wouldn't play on a Euro server. However, since you mentioned it. I made a character on Franz... a DE.. and ran out to DEV, where I used to see non-stop trains of automated dwarves, 24/7.. Guess what? Not one in sight. Would you like me to take a screenshot? Or perhaps you can go out there yourself and see. I dare say that if I were to go to the other spots I used to see them in, they wouldn't be there either.
So really... save the comments. I'm not some wet-behind-the-ear newbie to this game without a basis for what I say.
K? Thx.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
on Teon they pretty much every where cause it still has a okay population
I play on Gustin currently and, while it's not one of the more heavily populated servers, I still see plenty of people around. All the usual spots are teeming; Giran is still a maze of private shops to navigate, etc.
I've created toons on other servers, as well, to see how they were, including Siegehardt, etc. Similarly, I saw no bot trains in the lowbie areas there either.
Fewer bots due to lower population is one thing.. but that a lower pop would result in no bots at all? I think that's a stretch.
It might well be that I just caught it on the tail-end of a mass banning, but it's been almost 3 weeks now since I rolled on Gustin, and still no bot trains, in DEV, in EV or in DV. It took them about 1.5 weeks in the past to get back up to speed.
yere okay off course ncsoft is gonna ban well over half they player base, i suggest you start up a toon on Franz where 90% off the population bot's it shoulden't be hard for you to relaise that ncsoft dosen't care.
You know what... save the sarcastic comments. They're unfounded.
i was serious, you reached the conclusion that ncsoft banned all the farmer's cause you coulden't find any...
I've played L2 well long enough to know how the botting situation is and has been. I don't need you or anyone else to "fill me in" on what it's like or should be like. I've done my fair share of reporting and bitching about the problem myself over time. I've also never contested that NCSoft "cares more about botting now than they did". I'm only reporting what I've seen myself. The reasons are whatever they are.
im just diseagreeing with you because.
1, the Teon server still has many farmer infested spots.
2, you know that the supcription off players has been up over 100.000? and it's probly down at 60.000-70.000 now but if i had to guess i say it's more like 40.000-50.000 so your server is probly pretty emty witch mean's less player's that ebay's
I played L2 in Beta, in Prelude and then on and off through C1-C2, then played at the start of C3 on up 'til just before C5 landed. I know very well what the bot situation was like. I remember very well seeing armies of dwarven clones running around DEV on perfectly pre-set patterns. I remember going out to the swamp-lands and they were everywhere. It was impossible to get to a single zombie or bat without having at least 1 other bot, more often two, going for the same one. I remember seeing them many other places.
i startet out in C1 first and yere it was pretty annoying back then, but it still is or depending on your server i guess.
I remember one particularly bold RMT group openly holding Baium hostage - killing anyone who would even try to get near him - even for a quest.
I remember having to clear out rooms, no matter how far in you went, to be able to xp in a Cat or Necro. I remember seeing them swarming many other areas on a regular basis. I've "forcefullynegotiated" with plenty of them, going red more than a few times in the process.
at some places it's like that on Teon
I also remember after NCSoft had done a banning, you didn't see them anywhere for about 1.5-2 weeks. The price of mats skyrocketed as people had to start gathering their own materials. I remember people pissed off at NC for banning them because "now the prices are ridiculous". This was the point at which I realized the bots officially "owned" Lineage 2 and had the player-base in the palm of their collective hand. I've never held any illusions otherwise since; I've learned to deal with it and just play the game, reporting or otherwise dealing with them as they get in my way.
im not saying they never cared about bot's im just saying they no longer do.
I've been there through all of that. I don't need to be "reminded" or "educated".
I also know what I see now when I log in... to any server. Again, perhaps it's in a lull between bannings or something and the bots aren't up to speed. Perhaps they've changed their tactics and don't hang out in the usual spots anymore. What I know is what I see. And what I've seen for the past few weeks since I've been back is a notable absence of the bot trains that used to overflow numerous areas.
I'm in the US so I wouldn't play on a Euro server. However, since you mentioned it. I made a character on Franz... a DE.. and ran out to DEV, where I used to see non-stop trains of automated dwarves, 24/7.. Guess what? Not one in sight. Would you like me to take a screenshot? Or perhaps you can go out there yourself and see. I dare say that if I were to go to the other spots I used to see them in, they wouldn't be there either.
what's DEV btw
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So really... save the comments. I'm not some wet-behind-the-ear newbie to this game without a basis for what I say.
K? Thx.
no, you telling they banned all your farmer's on your server and im disagreeing with you
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on Teon they pretty much every where cause it still has a okay population
I play on Gustin currently and, while it's not one of the more heavily populated servers, I still see plenty of people around. All the usual spots are teeming; Giran is still a maze of private shops to navigate, etc.
I've created toons on other servers, as well, to see how they were, including Siegehardt, etc. Similarly, I saw no bot trains in the lowbie areas there either.
Fewer bots due to lower population is one thing.. but that a lower pop would result in no bots at all? I think that's a stretch.
It might well be that I just caught it on the tail-end of a mass banning, but it's been almost 3 weeks now since I rolled on Gustin, and still no bot trains, in DEV, in EV or in DV. It took them about 1.5 weeks in the past to get back up to speed.
yere okay off course ncsoft is gonna ban well over half they player base, i suggest you start up a toon on Franz where 90% off the population bot's it shoulden't be hard for you to relaise that ncsoft dosen't care.
You know what... save the sarcastic comments. They're unfounded.
i was serious, you reached the conclusion that ncsoft banned all the farmer's cause you coulden't find any...
You seem to be confusing "not seeing them in the areas I used to see them in all the time" with "omg NCSoft banned all the bots!" They have two different meanings. I also state that perhaps I came back on the tail end of a banning *or* that perhaps they've changed tactics and do their thing elsewhere. Nowhere do I state "NCSoft have banned all the bots". Did you even read everything I typed?I've played L2 well long enough to know how the botting situation is and has been. I don't need you or anyone else to "fill me in" on what it's like or should be like. I've done my fair share of reporting and bitching about the problem myself over time. I've also never contested that NCSoft "cares more about botting now than they did". I'm only reporting what I've seen myself. The reasons are whatever they are.
im just diseagreeing with you because.
1, the Teon server still has many farmer infested spots.
2, you know that the supcription off players has been up over 100.000? and it's probly down at 60.000-70.000 now but if i had to guess i say it's more like 40.000-50.000 so your server is probly pretty emty witch mean's less player's that ebay's
Fewer players would mean fewer bots. Not a complete lack of them. I'm not denying that you see farmers in other areas... Again, I never said they were gone completely. I was merely stating that *I don't see them in the spots they used to always be in*. I don't know the exact reason for that, which is why, again, I offered a couple possibilities, as I stated above.
I played L2 in Beta, in Prelude and then on and off through C1-C2, then played at the start of C3 on up 'til just before C5 landed. I know very well what the bot situation was like. I remember very well seeing armies of dwarven clones running around DEV on perfectly pre-set patterns. I remember going out to the swamp-lands and they were everywhere. It was impossible to get to a single zombie or bat without having at least 1 other bot, more often two, going for the same one. I remember seeing them many other places.
i startet out in C1 first and yere it was pretty annoying back then, but it still is or depending on your server i guess.
I told you.. I started a toon on several servers, including the more populated ones like Bartz and Siegehardt... *and* Franz, as you indicated... I saw the same thing in the same usual spots... *no farmers*. Again, I do not claim anywhere that they are gone completely, merely notably missing from the areas that they used to swarm. There should be a pattern developing.
I remember one particularly bold RMT group openly holding Baium hostage - killing anyone who would even try to get near him - even for a quest.
I remember having to clear out rooms, no matter how far in you went, to be able to xp in a Cat or Necro. I remember seeing them swarming many other areas on a regular basis. I've "forcefullynegotiated" with plenty of them, going red more than a few times in the process.
at some places it's like that on Teon
I also remember after NCSoft had done a banning, you didn't see them anywhere for about 1.5-2 weeks. The price of mats skyrocketed as people had to start gathering their own materials. I remember people pissed off at NC for banning them because "now the prices are ridiculous". This was the point at which I realized the bots officially "owned" Lineage 2 and had the player-base in the palm of their collective hand. I've never held any illusions otherwise since; I've learned to deal with it and just play the game, reporting or otherwise dealing with them as they get in my way.
im not saying they never cared about bot's im just saying they no longer do.
I've been there through all of that. I don't need to be "reminded" or "educated".
I also know what I see now when I log in... to any server. Again, perhaps it's in a lull between bannings or something and the bots aren't up to speed. Perhaps they've changed their tactics and don't hang out in the usual spots anymore. What I know is what I see. And what I've seen for the past few weeks since I've been back is a notable absence of the bot trains that used to overflow numerous areas.
I'm in the US so I wouldn't play on a Euro server. However, since you mentioned it. I made a character on Franz... a DE.. and ran out to DEV, where I used to see non-stop trains of automated dwarves, 24/7.. Guess what? Not one in sight. Would you like me to take a screenshot? Or perhaps you can go out there yourself and see. I dare say that if I were to go to the other spots I used to see them in, they wouldn't be there either.
what's DEV btw
DEV = Dark Elven Village. EV = Elven Village. DV = Dwarven Village. TI = Talking Island. And so forth...
So really... save the comments. I'm not some wet-behind-the-ear newbie to this game without a basis for what I say.
K? Thx.
no, you telling they banned all your farmer's on your server and im disagreeing with you
Wrong. I never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
For the last time:
- I do not see them in the places I used to see them in - in large numbers - all the time.
- I conceded that I might have just come back on the tail end of a banning and they haven't had a chance to regather themselves.
- I offer the possibility that perhaps they simply no longer use those spots anymore and have moved on to other areas.
- I note how I finally just gave in to the fact that the RMT owns L2 and just deal with them when I have to.
Not a single one of those comments indicates any belief that NC have banned all farmers. I have no idea how you come to that conclusion. All it means is - and please read this part - I do not see them in the areas I used to see them in on a regular basis. Thus, at least in those areas, the botting has decreased. I have gotten up to 35 so far on a new toon and have not run into a single bot, nor even a party.. nevermind the swarm of them that I used to deal with. Interpret that as you will... It is what it is.
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and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
on Teon they pretty much every where cause it still has a okay population
I play on Gustin currently and, while it's not one of the more heavily populated servers, I still see plenty of people around. All the usual spots are teeming; Giran is still a maze of private shops to navigate, etc.
I've created toons on other servers, as well, to see how they were, including Siegehardt, etc. Similarly, I saw no bot trains in the lowbie areas there either.
Fewer bots due to lower population is one thing.. but that a lower pop would result in no bots at all? I think that's a stretch.
It might well be that I just caught it on the tail-end of a mass banning, but it's been almost 3 weeks now since I rolled on Gustin, and still no bot trains, in DEV, in EV or in DV. It took them about 1.5 weeks in the past to get back up to speed.
yere okay off course ncsoft is gonna ban well over half they player base, i suggest you start up a toon on Franz where 90% off the population bot's it shoulden't be hard for you to relaise that ncsoft dosen't care.
You know what... save the sarcastic comments. They're unfounded.
i was serious, you reached the conclusion that ncsoft banned all the farmer's cause you coulden't find any...
You seem to be confusing "not seeing them in the areas I used to see them in all the time" with "omg NCSoft banned all the bots!" They have two different meanings. I also state that perhaps I came back on the tail end of a banning *or* that perhaps they've changed tactics and do their thing elsewhere. Nowhere do I state "NCSoft have banned all the bots". Did you even read everything I typed?okay my bad i have a bad habit off useing the word all, all the timeI've played L2 well long enough to know how the botting situation is and has been. I don't need you or anyone else to "fill me in" on what it's like or should be like. I've done my fair share of reporting and bitching about the problem myself over time. I've also never contested that NCSoft "cares more about botting now than they did". I'm only reporting what I've seen myself. The reasons are whatever they are.
im just diseagreeing with you because.
1, the Teon server still has many farmer infested spots.
2, you know that the supcription off players has been up over 100.000? and it's probly down at 60.000-70.000 now but if i had to guess i say it's more like 40.000-50.000 so your server is probly pretty emty witch mean's less player's that ebay's
Fewer players would mean fewer bots. Not a complete lack of them. I'm not denying that you see farmers in other areas... Again, I never said they were gone completely. I was merely stating that *I don't see them in the spots they used to always be in*. I don't know the exact reason for that, which is why, again, I offered a couple possibilities, as I stated above.
again my word all
I played L2 in Beta, in Prelude and then on and off through C1-C2, then played at the start of C3 on up 'til just before C5 landed. I know very well what the bot situation was like. I remember very well seeing armies of dwarven clones running around DEV on perfectly pre-set patterns. I remember going out to the swamp-lands and they were everywhere. It was impossible to get to a single zombie or bat without having at least 1 other bot, more often two, going for the same one. I remember seeing them many other places.
i startet out in C1 first and yere it was pretty annoying back then, but it still is or depending on your server i guess.
I told you.. I started a toon on several servers, including the more populated ones like Bartz and Siegehardt... *and* Franz, as you indicated... I saw the same thing in the same usual spots... *no farmers*. Again, I do not claim anywhere that they are gone completely, merely notably missing from the areas that they used to swarm. There should be a pattern developing.
its not that Franz has the most farmer's i guess that would be Teon it just has the most player's who bots
I remember one particularly bold RMT group openly holding Baium hostage - killing anyone who would even try to get near him - even for a quest.
I remember having to clear out rooms, no matter how far in you went, to be able to xp in a Cat or Necro. I remember seeing them swarming many other areas on a regular basis. I've "forcefullynegotiated" with plenty of them, going red more than a few times in the process.
at some places it's like that on Teon
I also remember after NCSoft had done a banning, you didn't see them anywhere for about 1.5-2 weeks. The price of mats skyrocketed as people had to start gathering their own materials. I remember people pissed off at NC for banning them because "now the prices are ridiculous". This was the point at which I realized the bots officially "owned" Lineage 2 and had the player-base in the palm of their collective hand. I've never held any illusions otherwise since; I've learned to deal with it and just play the game, reporting or otherwise dealing with them as they get in my way.
im not saying they never cared about bot's im just saying they no longer do.
I've been there through all of that. I don't need to be "reminded" or "educated".
I also know what I see now when I log in... to any server. Again, perhaps it's in a lull between bannings or something and the bots aren't up to speed. Perhaps they've changed their tactics and don't hang out in the usual spots anymore. What I know is what I see. And what I've seen for the past few weeks since I've been back is a notable absence of the bot trains that used to overflow numerous areas.
I'm in the US so I wouldn't play on a Euro server. However, since you mentioned it. I made a character on Franz... a DE.. and ran out to DEV, where I used to see non-stop trains of automated dwarves, 24/7.. Guess what? Not one in sight. Would you like me to take a screenshot? Or perhaps you can go out there yourself and see. I dare say that if I were to go to the other spots I used to see them in, they wouldn't be there either.
what's DEV btw
DEV = Dark Elven Village. EV = Elven Village. DV = Dwarven Village. TI = Talking Island. And so forth...
So really... save the comments. I'm not some wet-behind-the-ear newbie to this game without a basis for what I say.
K? Thx.
no, you telling they banned all your farmer's on your server and im disagreeing with you
Wrong. I never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
quete
Well I'm surprised to find myself saying this because I'd been one to always bash L2 for its botting in the past... And I don't know if it's just the timing or what, but I recently came back and the trains I used to see constantly running in DEV and out around the Swamp were nowhere to be found. Same in the Dwarven Village. This is in over 2-3 weeks time so far. I haven't seen one. I'm pretty blown away.
A couple people in a new clan I'm in have reassured me that they'll be back, that NC had just recently done a banning, but so far, I haven't seen any.
end quete
yere im useing the word all, all roung sry.
For the last time:
- I do not see them in the places I used to see them in - in large numbers - all the time.
- I conceded that I might have just come back on the tail end of a banning and they haven't had a chance to regather themselves.
- I offer the possibility that perhaps they simply no longer use those spots anymore and have moved on to other areas.
- I note how I finally just gave in to the fact that the RMT owns L2 and just deal with them when I have to.
Not a single one of those comments indicates any belief that NC have banned all farmers. I have no idea how you come to that conclusion. All it means is - and please read this part - I do not see them in the areas I used to see them in on a regular basis. Thus, at least in those areas, the botting has decreased. I have gotten up to 35 so far on a new toon and have not run into a single bot, nor even a party.. nevermind the swarm of them that I used to deal with. Interpret that as you will... It is what it is.
okay so to get it stragiht thoes farmer's you no longer see at the usal spot's are probly not banned just left, because the player pouplation has decreased and less people ebay.
...
on Teon they pretty much every where cause it still has a okay population
I play on Gustin currently and, while it's not one of the more heavily populated servers, I still see plenty of people around. All the usual spots are teeming; Giran is still a maze of private shops to navigate, etc.
I've created toons on other servers, as well, to see how they were, including Siegehardt, etc. Similarly, I saw no bot trains in the lowbie areas there either.
Fewer bots due to lower population is one thing.. but that a lower pop would result in no bots at all? I think that's a stretch.
It might well be that I just caught it on the tail-end of a mass banning, but it's been almost 3 weeks now since I rolled on Gustin, and still no bot trains, in DEV, in EV or in DV. It took them about 1.5 weeks in the past to get back up to speed.
yere okay off course ncsoft is gonna ban well over half they player base, i suggest you start up a toon on Franz where 90% off the population bot's it shoulden't be hard for you to relaise that ncsoft dosen't care.
You know what... save the sarcastic comments. They're unfounded.
i was serious, you reached the conclusion that ncsoft banned all the farmer's cause you coulden't find any...
You seem to be confusing "not seeing them in the areas I used to see them in all the time" with "omg NCSoft banned all the bots!" They have two different meanings. I also state that perhaps I came back on the tail end of a banning *or* that perhaps they've changed tactics and do their thing elsewhere. Nowhere do I state "NCSoft have banned all the bots". Did you even read everything I typed?okay my bad i have a bad habit off useing the word all, all the timeI've played L2 well long enough to know how the botting situation is and has been. I don't need you or anyone else to "fill me in" on what it's like or should be like. I've done my fair share of reporting and bitching about the problem myself over time. I've also never contested that NCSoft "cares more about botting now than they did". I'm only reporting what I've seen myself. The reasons are whatever they are.
im just diseagreeing with you because.
1, the Teon server still has many farmer infested spots.
2, you know that the supcription off players has been up over 100.000? and it's probly down at 60.000-70.000 now but if i had to guess i say it's more like 40.000-50.000 so your server is probly pretty emty witch mean's less player's that ebay's
Fewer players would mean fewer bots. Not a complete lack of them. I'm not denying that you see farmers in other areas... Again, I never said they were gone completely. I was merely stating that *I don't see them in the spots they used to always be in*. I don't know the exact reason for that, which is why, again, I offered a couple possibilities, as I stated above.
again my word all
I played L2 in Beta, in Prelude and then on and off through C1-C2, then played at the start of C3 on up 'til just before C5 landed. I know very well what the bot situation was like. I remember very well seeing armies of dwarven clones running around DEV on perfectly pre-set patterns. I remember going out to the swamp-lands and they were everywhere. It was impossible to get to a single zombie or bat without having at least 1 other bot, more often two, going for the same one. I remember seeing them many other places.
i startet out in C1 first and yere it was pretty annoying back then, but it still is or depending on your server i guess.
I told you.. I started a toon on several servers, including the more populated ones like Bartz and Siegehardt... *and* Franz, as you indicated... I saw the same thing in the same usual spots... *no farmers*. Again, I do not claim anywhere that they are gone completely, merely notably missing from the areas that they used to swarm. There should be a pattern developing.
its not that Franz has the most farmer's i guess that would be Teon it just has the most player's who bots
I remember one particularly bold RMT group openly holding Baium hostage - killing anyone who would even try to get near him - even for a quest.
I remember having to clear out rooms, no matter how far in you went, to be able to xp in a Cat or Necro. I remember seeing them swarming many other areas on a regular basis. I've "forcefullynegotiated" with plenty of them, going red more than a few times in the process.
at some places it's like that on Teon
I also remember after NCSoft had done a banning, you didn't see them anywhere for about 1.5-2 weeks. The price of mats skyrocketed as people had to start gathering their own materials. I remember people pissed off at NC for banning them because "now the prices are ridiculous". This was the point at which I realized the bots officially "owned" Lineage 2 and had the player-base in the palm of their collective hand. I've never held any illusions otherwise since; I've learned to deal with it and just play the game, reporting or otherwise dealing with them as they get in my way.
im not saying they never cared about bot's im just saying they no longer do.
I've been there through all of that. I don't need to be "reminded" or "educated".
I also know what I see now when I log in... to any server. Again, perhaps it's in a lull between bannings or something and the bots aren't up to speed. Perhaps they've changed their tactics and don't hang out in the usual spots anymore. What I know is what I see. And what I've seen for the past few weeks since I've been back is a notable absence of the bot trains that used to overflow numerous areas.
I'm in the US so I wouldn't play on a Euro server. However, since you mentioned it. I made a character on Franz... a DE.. and ran out to DEV, where I used to see non-stop trains of automated dwarves, 24/7.. Guess what? Not one in sight. Would you like me to take a screenshot? Or perhaps you can go out there yourself and see. I dare say that if I were to go to the other spots I used to see them in, they wouldn't be there either.
what's DEV btw
DEV = Dark Elven Village. EV = Elven Village. DV = Dwarven Village. TI = Talking Island. And so forth...
So really... save the comments. I'm not some wet-behind-the-ear newbie to this game without a basis for what I say.
K? Thx.
no, you telling they banned all your farmer's on your server and im disagreeing with you
Wrong. I never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
quete
end quete
yere im useing the word all, all roung sry.
For the last time:
- I do not see them in the places I used to see them in - in large numbers - all the time.
- I conceded that I might have just come back on the tail end of a banning and they haven't had a chance to regather themselves.
- I offer the possibility that perhaps they simply no longer use those spots anymore and have moved on to other areas.
- I note how I finally just gave in to the fact that the RMT owns L2 and just deal with them when I have to.
Not a single one of those comments indicates any belief that NC have banned all farmers. I have no idea how you come to that conclusion. All it means is - and please read this part - I do not see them in the areas I used to see them in on a regular basis. Thus, at least in those areas, the botting has decreased. I have gotten up to 35 so far on a new toon and have not run into a single bot, nor even a party.. nevermind the swarm of them that I used to deal with. Interpret that as you will... It is what it is.
okay so to get it stragiht thoes farmer's you no longer see at the usal spot's are probly not banned just left, because the player pouplation has decreased and less people ebay.
Well I'm surprised to find myself saying this because I'd been one to always bash L2 for its botting in the past... And I don't know if it's just the timing or what, but I recently came back and the trains I used to see constantly running in DEV and out around the Swamp were nowhere to be found. Same in the Dwarven Village. This is in over 2-3 weeks time so far. I haven't seen one. I'm pretty blown away.
A couple people in a new clan I'm in have reassured me that they'll be back, that NC had just recently done a banning, but so far, I haven't seen any.
...
Well... your last statement there rings of you somehow having possession of knowledge above and beyond what I or others might have. If you do, then by all means, share. Failing that, I'll chalk your assessment up to speculation.NCSoft *has* done bannings in the past. Do they do them enough? Not nearly. I know I was around for at least one of them. So it's not like it's some overblown idea that they might have done another one recently. Again, in fact, the leaders of my clan - who've been playing non-stop since Beta and are very aware of what a banning is - responded to my noting the lack of bots by sayign that they did a banning recently, but not to get too used to it, because they'd likely be back.
Whatever the case.. it is what it is. At least for new players, they can (for now) level up new characters in relative peace.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
what server do you play on? ever figuried that your server is pretty much empty so it mean's less people is ebaying, so less farmers its simpleon Teon they pretty much every where cause it still has a okay population
I play on Gustin currently and, while it's not one of the more heavily populated servers, I still see plenty of people around. All the usual spots are teeming; Giran is still a maze of private shops to navigate, etc.
I've created toons on other servers, as well, to see how they were, including Siegehardt, etc. Similarly, I saw no bot trains in the lowbie areas there either.
Fewer bots due to lower population is one thing.. but that a lower pop would result in no bots at all? I think that's a stretch.
It might well be that I just caught it on the tail-end of a mass banning, but it's been almost 3 weeks now since I rolled on Gustin, and still no bot trains, in DEV, in EV or in DV. It took them about 1.5 weeks in the past to get back up to speed.
yere okay off course ncsoft is gonna ban well over half they player base, i suggest you start up a toon on Franz where 90% off the population bot's it shoulden't be hard for you to relaise that ncsoft dosen't care.
You know what... save the sarcastic comments. They're unfounded.
i was serious, you reached the conclusion that ncsoft banned all the farmer's cause you coulden't find any...
You seem to be confusing "not seeing them in the areas I used to see them in all the time" with "omg NCSoft banned all the bots!" They have two different meanings. I also state that perhaps I came back on the tail end of a banning *or* that perhaps they've changed tactics and do their thing elsewhere. Nowhere do I state "NCSoft have banned all the bots". Did you even read everything I typed?okay my bad i have a bad habit off useing the word all, all the timeI've played L2 well long enough to know how the botting situation is and has been. I don't need you or anyone else to "fill me in" on what it's like or should be like. I've done my fair share of reporting and bitching about the problem myself over time. I've also never contested that NCSoft "cares more about botting now than they did". I'm only reporting what I've seen myself. The reasons are whatever they are.
im just diseagreeing with you because.
1, the Teon server still has many farmer infested spots.
2, you know that the supcription off players has been up over 100.000? and it's probly down at 60.000-70.000 now but if i had to guess i say it's more like 40.000-50.000 so your server is probly pretty emty witch mean's less player's that ebay's
Fewer players would mean fewer bots. Not a complete lack of them. I'm not denying that you see farmers in other areas... Again, I never said they were gone completely. I was merely stating that *I don't see them in the spots they used to always be in*. I don't know the exact reason for that, which is why, again, I offered a couple possibilities, as I stated above.
again my word all
I played L2 in Beta, in Prelude and then on and off through C1-C2, then played at the start of C3 on up 'til just before C5 landed. I know very well what the bot situation was like. I remember very well seeing armies of dwarven clones running around DEV on perfectly pre-set patterns. I remember going out to the swamp-lands and they were everywhere. It was impossible to get to a single zombie or bat without having at least 1 other bot, more often two, going for the same one. I remember seeing them many other places.
i startet out in C1 first and yere it was pretty annoying back then, but it still is or depending on your server i guess.
I told you.. I started a toon on several servers, including the more populated ones like Bartz and Siegehardt... *and* Franz, as you indicated... I saw the same thing in the same usual spots... *no farmers*. Again, I do not claim anywhere that they are gone completely, merely notably missing from the areas that they used to swarm. There should be a pattern developing.
its not that Franz has the most farmer's i guess that would be Teon it just has the most player's who bots
I remember one particularly bold RMT group openly holding Baium hostage - killing anyone who would even try to get near him - even for a quest.
I remember having to clear out rooms, no matter how far in you went, to be able to xp in a Cat or Necro. I remember seeing them swarming many other areas on a regular basis. I've "forcefullynegotiated" with plenty of them, going red more than a few times in the process.
at some places it's like that on Teon
I also remember after NCSoft had done a banning, you didn't see them anywhere for about 1.5-2 weeks. The price of mats skyrocketed as people had to start gathering their own materials. I remember people pissed off at NC for banning them because "now the prices are ridiculous". This was the point at which I realized the bots officially "owned" Lineage 2 and had the player-base in the palm of their collective hand. I've never held any illusions otherwise since; I've learned to deal with it and just play the game, reporting or otherwise dealing with them as they get in my way.
im not saying they never cared about bot's im just saying they no longer do.
I've been there through all of that. I don't need to be "reminded" or "educated".
I also know what I see now when I log in... to any server. Again, perhaps it's in a lull between bannings or something and the bots aren't up to speed. Perhaps they've changed their tactics and don't hang out in the usual spots anymore. What I know is what I see. And what I've seen for the past few weeks since I've been back is a notable absence of the bot trains that used to overflow numerous areas.
I'm in the US so I wouldn't play on a Euro server. However, since you mentioned it. I made a character on Franz... a DE.. and ran out to DEV, where I used to see non-stop trains of automated dwarves, 24/7.. Guess what? Not one in sight. Would you like me to take a screenshot? Or perhaps you can go out there yourself and see. I dare say that if I were to go to the other spots I used to see them in, they wouldn't be there either.
what's DEV btw
DEV = Dark Elven Village. EV = Elven Village. DV = Dwarven Village. TI = Talking Island. And so forth...
So really... save the comments. I'm not some wet-behind-the-ear newbie to this game without a basis for what I say.
K? Thx.
no, you telling they banned all your farmer's on your server and im disagreeing with you
Wrong. I never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
quete
end quete
yere im useing the word all, all roung sry.
For the last time:
- I do not see them in the places I used to see them in - in large numbers - all the time.
- I conceded that I might have just come back on the tail end of a banning and they haven't had a chance to regather themselves.
- I offer the possibility that perhaps they simply no longer use those spots anymore and have moved on to other areas.
- I note how I finally just gave in to the fact that the RMT owns L2 and just deal with them when I have to.
Not a single one of those comments indicates any belief that NC have banned all farmers. I have no idea how you come to that conclusion. All it means is - and please read this part - I do not see them in the areas I used to see them in on a regular basis. Thus, at least in those areas, the botting has decreased. I have gotten up to 35 so far on a new toon and have not run into a single bot, nor even a party.. nevermind the swarm of them that I used to deal with. Interpret that as you will... It is what it is.
okay so to get it stragiht thoes farmer's you no longer see at the usal spot's are probly not banned just left, because the player pouplation has decreased and less people ebay.
Well I'm surprised to find myself saying this because I'd been one to always bash L2 for its botting in the past... And I don't know if it's just the timing or what, but I recently came back and the trains I used to see constantly running in DEV and out around the Swamp were nowhere to be found. Same in the Dwarven Village. This is in over 2-3 weeks time so far. I haven't seen one. I'm pretty blown away.
A couple people in a new clan I'm in have reassured me that they'll be back, that NC had just recently done a banning, but so far, I haven't seen any.
...
Well... your last statement there rings of you somehow having possession of knowledge above and beyond what I or others might have. If you do, then by all means, share. Failing that, I'll chalk your assessment up to speculation.NCSoft *has* done bannings in the past. Do they do them enough? Not nearly. I know I was around for at least one of them. So it's not like it's some overblown idea that they might have done another one recently. Again, in fact, the leaders of my clan - who've been playing non-stop since Beta and are very aware of what a banning is - responded to my noting the lack of bots by sayign that they did a banning recently, but not to get too used to it, because they'd likely be back.
Whatever the case.. it is what it is. At least for new players, they can (for now) level up new characters in relative peace.
look at your own statement or your friend's... but i never said they never did care about bot's im just saying they no longer do.
I dont really have proof but look at the subscriber's they been over a 100.000 and last i saw it 6 months ago it was down to 60.000-70.000 it's probly even smaller know, and look at these link's
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77552
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78845