You're saying it states you can pay for a subscription for optional added features somewhere on the retail box? Well, I don't remember seeing that anywhere. I know for A FACT that the cover only says an internet connection is required. I took my box back, but I will try to find a scan of the back cover somewhere.
...And what is your definition of "enhanced features"? Participating in ranked matches? Seems like a standard part of the game in most cases I'm aware of. It's no wonder most sites didn't rate this game more than 6 out of 10. Why don't you just say something like:
FREE MONEY FOR NOTHING*
*free money provided on Feb. 29th, on tuesdays only. Actual monetary value 1/100th of a cent. Reward may require life savings. Offer not valid in Utah.
You're saying it states you can pay for a subscription for optional added features somewhere on the retail box? Well, I don't remember seeing that anywhere. I know for A FACT that the cover only says an internet connection is required. I took my box back, but I will try to find a scan of the back cover somewhere. ...And what is your definition of "enhanced features"? Participating in ranked matches? Seems like a standard part of the game in most cases I'm aware of. It's no wonder most sites didn't rate this game more than 6 out of 10. Why don't you just say something like: FREE MONEY FOR NOTHING*
*free money provided on Feb. 29th, on tuesdays only. Actual monetary value 1/100th of a cent. Reward may require life savings. Offer not valid in Utah.
Good point. Most consumers are not avid web surfers like the people posting on this website are. A company should be required to disclose these sorts of things on their box. I didn't buy the box, but it sounds like you did. Did they disclose that there are additional fees required in order to play the full version of the game? If not, they are breaking a federal law and their product could be banned from entering the United States until they disclose that information to the consumers.
The box quite clearly says '*Optional subscription available for enhanced features.'
By the way you all, it is a scam and a con to sell a product and charge them for that product again, without telling them about it before the sell. I respect the fact that you all like Fury and that Fury may be a great game, but you cannot rightfully flame the OP for his points, because they are true.
I don't see where we have ever done that?
You, Dan, are a COMPELTE LIAR! I stopped in and picked up a Fury box at the store to search for this "Optional subscription" information, and it is NOT THERE! In fact, it clearly says "Never Pay Again!*" The only * on the box denotes "Internet Connection Required"... So you are clearly perpetrating a scam here to milk extra money out of unsuspecting customers. Next time, you should read your own product's retail box before proclaiming your innocence...
at the official Fury forums, a press release has been posted containing full details of the Fury business model.
here are the differences between playing for free and paying for a subscription:
FREE - buy items at the auction house
PAID - buy and sell items at the auction house
FREE - standard "rested gold bonus"
PAID - extended "rested gold bonus"
FREE - 2 item roll slots at the end of each battle
PAID - 3 item roll slots at the end of each battle
FREE - can only listen on the integrated VoIP
PAID - can talk on the integrated VoIP
MORE FEATURES FOR THE PAID SUBSCRIPTION
- Quick travel in the Sanctuaries and Schools
- Priority log-in queuing
- Entry into weekly and seasonal Ladders
- Personal player battle statistics
- In-game Customer Service access
- Elite access to the test server to preview new content
Well, there we go, thats how its gonna roll, from an official press release a while back... Dan can correct me where nesecary
I think the point the OP and others are trying to make here is that not everyone researches every single game they buy. Should they? Maybe. But when I pick up a guild wars box and it says free to play, then I assume its..free to play. I shouldn't have to do massive research on what free means.
I bought fury on a whim after seeing some vids, and now its been deleted. 50 bucks wasted which is some my fault I would say. But the box should say what you can and can't do and it does not.
Things like in game access to customer service is simply ridiculous. You have to pay to get help faster? Unreal.
Originally posted by brihtwulf You, Dan, are a COMPELTE LIAR! I stopped in and picked up a Fury box at the store to search for this "Optional subscription" information, and it is NOT THERE! In fact, it clearly says "Never Pay Again!*" The only * on the box denotes "Internet Connection Required"... So you are clearly perpetrating a scam here to milk extra money out of unsuspecting customers. Next time, you should read your own product's retail box before proclaiming your innocence...
I will be following up on this with our North American partner (the image you have posted is of the North American box, as published and distributed by Gamecock). Regardless, there is nothing false printed on the box. There is no monthly fee. There is an optional subscription.
The Australian region box that we produce and distribute includes the disclaimer that Dan quoted. Our website for the game cannot be clearer, press releases were quite clear and our online store (www.auran.com/auran/shop/Display_Product.php) also lists it.
at the official Fury forums, a press release has been posted containing full details of the Fury business model.
here are the differences between playing for free and paying for a subscription:
FREE - buy items at the auction house
PAID - buy and sell items at the auction house
FREE - standard "rested gold bonus"
PAID - extended "rested gold bonus"
FREE - 2 item roll slots at the end of each battle
PAID - 3 item roll slots at the end of each battle
FREE - can only listen on the integrated VoIP
PAID - can talk on the integrated VoIP
MORE FEATURES FOR THE PAID SUBSCRIPTION
- Quick travel in the Sanctuaries and Schools
- Priority log-in queuing
- Entry into weekly and seasonal Ladders
- Personal player battle statistics
- In-game Customer Service access
- Elite access to the test server to preview new content
Well, there we go, thats how its gonna roll, from an official press release a while back... Dan can correct me where nesecary
I think the point the OP and others are trying to make here is that not everyone researches every single game they buy. Should they? Maybe. But when I pick up a guild wars box and it says free to play, then I assume its..free to play. I shouldn't have to do massive research on what free means.
I bought fury on a whim after seeing some vids, and now its been deleted. 50 bucks wasted which is some my fault I would say. But the box should say what you can and can't do and it does not.
Things like in game access to customer service is simply ridiculous. You have to pay to get help faster? Unreal.
To your first paragraph the bottom line is that it is free to play. You don't have to pay beyond the initial price to play. There for it is free to play once purchased. And yes I believe everyone is responsible for finding out about something before they buy it. That's your choice. When you buy something no one walks up and tells you everything about it. It's up to you to figure that out.
I also want to add that some of the new car companies are including GPS for a year or two when you buy a new car. Now if they don't tell you its only for 2 years well tough shit you bought it. Ontop of that it isn't essential to playing the game or driving the car. And both companies Auran and say, Toyota are giving you a trial.
And as for your crying about your 50 bucks. Fury offered excellent PvP and thats what you get when you buy it. You crying about a $10 monthly fee that has almost NOTHING to do with the PvP. That is retarded.
The OP is obviously a troll, maybe his mom will not pay the fee for Fury and he feels his lack of skill can only be overcome by extra features in the (Key word coming) OPTIONAL subscription fee. From the other posts I have read it honestly doesn't seem like people will be gimped by chosing to remain free-to-play. Scam is a pretty strong word to be throwing around with a complete lack of facts and knowledge, gaming can and does cost money! If you don't like it stick to F2P and stop trolling every forum involving a game that has a sub! BAD KID!
The ones who are playing Fury in a competitive environment love the game and continue to play. Fury is not an easy game, there are no programmed bots waiting to be defeated by you. You will face real human beings behaving most likely different than you'd expect. They are not there to perform same actions every 30 seconds or 1 minute. They will adapt and try to beat you with different skills, maybe run away, or use help of others.
By joining the Fury community, you should be aware of all these. It's a competitive environment, and get ready to be BBQd over and over till you become better.
----------------------------- Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
People are coming to Fury not only from GW ... I know people that are coming from WOW PvP to Fury as well.
All Auran has to do to make this a 1million+ player game is:
1. Fix the bugs (yes, I know it's just two weeks after release but it should be more stable than it is)
2. Keep adding PvP content, with instanced PvP they can basically add 1 new warzone or map each month. By launch day Fury had about the same number of warzones as several popular MMORPG out there. Well, perhaps I am exagerating with the "1 warzone a month" idea, but the fundamental message I wanted to pass is that its just "pure PvP" so you can keep adding endless instanced content and match types ... the potential is HUGE
3. Spur up the competitive environment, with ladders, prizes and whatnot. Be weary with PvP competition in MMORPG: People that always win get easily bored and tend to leave. And people that always loose tend to quit. I'd promote competitions and prizes for different levels of play, there are 10 skill ratings on the game and I would make sure tournaments and whatnot were offered for all of the levels
The rest will work itself out. With its current setup alone and the bugs fixed, Fury will be able to keep its players around for a loooong while.
Fury does not need 1million+ subscribers at all. Sure it would be nice to have such a big player base, but I dont think there are 1million+ competitive players out there who can handle the difficulty of Fury.
I would be satisfied with 50.000 players, that's more than enough for a healthy game.
But seriously, why would anyone play WoW PvP with all those PvE grinding (to become compatible in PvP), balance issues? WoW requires you to use 8-10 skills of your class, and that's it. It's slow. You need to get new gear every 3 months to be efficient. You can not try new skills of other classes unless you grind 70 more levels.
If you love PvP, you will love Fury. No grinding (or minimum grinding as you can get any gear or skill in 2 weeks max). You can use any skills from any classes. No mana consumption, instead there are charges. You won't run OOM because you can build charges. Very fast PvP.
Why bother with some other PvP if there is such a system in place?
----------------------------- Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
First of all I would like to point out that I have never played Fury, it just never grabbed my interest and there are other games out there that I can play to satisfy my once in awhile need to seperate someone from their life, BF2, ET:QW etc. This thread did grab my interest however, not because of the actual topic or wether or not the developers are trying to "scam" people but because the developers appear to feel the need to defend their game on open forums like this one.
It always worries me when that happens as not only is it very unprofessional but also speaks volumes for the game in question. Look back at the other games in which the developers have come here to defend their product and you will see what I mean, Mourning, Dark & Light etc. and we all know how they turned out. Again I would like to point out that this is from someone who has never tried the game and never will due to what I have read here, it would be like the age old question of "would you buy a car from this man?", err! no thanks.
If you have a sufficiently large player base, what will happen is that through the ranking system players will migrate to pools of similarly skilled players that will compete with each other. So although "mastering" the game is in fact "hard", doing some PvP just for fun can be very "easy" and achievable by many.
So on one side of the coin you can have the "elite" that can "master the 400 abilities, teamplay, builds, etc, etc". What are they doing? Playing against each other, winning and loosing matches.
On the other side of the coin you can have the "uber noobs" that just "play with the basic archetype". And what are they doing? Guess what? Playing against each other, winning and loosing matches!
So Fury can cater for a lot more players than people sometimes think, as long as its able to stratify its player base into similarly skilled brackets, and have people competing between themselves at each appropriate bracket. The game doesn't have to be "elite and hard" for all. My comment about midlevel tournaments was meant to address the issue that the various player brackets should be equally important to Auran, and that you should foster competition at all levels, not just at the top.
With that, I think it can reach a LOT of people ... perhaps 1 million was a bit too much, but it's late night and I am tired from too much PvP ...
This thread did grab my interest however, not because of the actual topic or wether or not the developers are trying to "scam" people but because the developers appear to feel the need to defend their game on open forums like this one.
ROFL..nice try with the reversed logic approach Eric but anyone that believes that steaming pile you just wrote deserves to not play such a cool game.
The devs are cool (and wise) enough to come here and answer (and protect from people such as yourself) the potential playerbase their questions and concerns directly and all you can do is (badly attempt to) compare them to some dodgy salesman.
Well done (not).
As you can see I did say that I had never played the game and at no point did I mention anything, good or bad about the game itself. The fact is that no reputable games company has as yet felt the need or stooped to such low levels as defending their game on open forums. WoW has more than it's fair share of haters but do you see the Blizzard devs over here defending it? no. SoE has more haters than Bin Laden but do you see their devs over here defending their products? no.
I have no idea how good or bad Fury is but I do know that all the decent MMO's stand or fall on how decent they are and the ones standing tall at the moment are doing so without the need for any kind of impassioned defence from the devs on open public forums. So please take that fanboi flag out of your ass and realise that other people have a right to their opinions, however much you may disagree with them and save your flames for those that unfairly rubbish the game you love so much, which I in no way did.
Blizzard or SoE need not come to these forums, because they already have enough advertisement. IGN and companies alike are already working in favor of companies like EA games, Microsoft, NCSoft, SoE etc.
Auran is a smaller company. It has a low budget. However, they did what no other prime time companies could ever dare, and built a pure PvP game for PvPers. Of course they would come here and support/defend their game, otherwise people badmouth (i.e. these forums) about a game like there is no tomorrow.
Fury is a beautiful game for PvP lovers. All my gaming life, I always supported PvP. Fury gives me what I want, that's my personal opinion.
But if you love PvP (MMO based) or have some kind of interest in the game, with badmouthing innovative companies like Auran, you dig your own hole. If people who love PvP come here and thrash talk about this game, then new companies will never be encouraged to produce new PvP-based games.
Think outside your buns. Do you like competitive, skill based, few or no grinding games? Then do NOT come here and thrash talk for god's sake. Auran might still be learning some tricks or performance issues. The game has few bugs for its release compared to other MMO releases. The server was down for only a few hours in total after 2 weeks, due to maintenance.
Think about the PvPs future, and if you love PvP, support these innovative ideas. Do you like to be stuck to PvE games where your gear is outdated once every few months? Do you love killing the same AI that has 4-5 tricks over and over for months? If you answer yes, go to those games, stop thrash talking here, and let PvPers enjoy a pure, competitive PvP environment.
----------------------------- Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
Guys, people (and that includes devs) are free to do whatever they want.
So, devs are free to discuss their games publicly if they want to, or just dont do it they dont want to. The reasons for doing or not doing it are probably different from each specific dev to another, also probably very different from one game company to another. I suppose that on some companies information or even official statements about a game are very tightly controlled. So, just like many things in life, whatever goes on in the minds of others is a huge mistery and we very often fail in our assumptions about the reasoning behind their behaviours.
Also, players are also free to say and think whatever they want, including to make judgments about a game's quality based on dev's posting or not on forums. I wouldn't exactly call this kind of reasoning "sound", and I usually prefer to check stuff out by myself and use my own judgment, but hey, eric is entitled to his reasoning. I am happy to report that we are also free to pay attention to it or not
I was much more interested in how Fury is going to develop, today is the first post release patch and I hope the bugs get fixed so we can see Fury ramping up even more.
Also, I more than welcome public statements by devs and game companies on these and other forums, as one of the good things I learned from this game is that its a good thing to have a sense that the developers engage with the community in a very proactive manner.
While I disagree with the way the subscription 'perks' are not clearly stated on the box (if they are stated at all here in the U.S.), I am amazed at what is being said here!
I agree that most Dev's (or any of the upper hierarchy for that matter) do not visit open forums and post. It is rare, and on those rare occasions that it does happen ... it is most often a 'bad sign'.
One quick (rhetorical) question: How is a group of Devs that actually talk with regular people actually a bad thing? When I started reading this thread, I was losing interest in supporting (what I consider to be) unethical practices such as: selling gold, hidden (or not easily found) subscription comments and the perks provided, etc ...
It was at that time that lightning struck: A Dev came forward and interacted openly and freely. My first instinct was to become wary of the game, I admit. Then after reading more, I started noticing a trend ...
These Devs are polite, mature, intelligent posters that are defending what they see as right. They are not flaming or attacking or any of the other things that have been common among the few developers that have come forward in the past. Take a moment and look back at the posts they made here in this thread, without bias, and you will see what I am talking about.
To me, that is quite admirable and a very desired trait. I WANT to be able to talk directly with the Devs and get/give input. ANY real communication with the developers of a game is a huge plus. When that is added to the way that they conducted themselves ... I see something that I hope becomes more common in the future. One thumb up (not two - will explain below) to the Devs. Great job and very much appreciated!
I am disabled and can only use one arm/hand for gaming. I usually suck at PvP because of that limitation and the faster the PvP is ... the greater my limitation becomes. I have no idea if I can even be somewhat competitive in a game such as this (doubtful), but to support the Devs for making the choice to interact with their player-base (and more) I'll be buying this game later this afternoon.
Even if I am unable to play the game (it happens because of an inability to find a way to customize enough things to be 'handy') and even though I strongly dislike situations where those that have spare cash (realworld) are able to buy 'perks', I gladly support this game and it's developers.
Many, many thanks and I pray that such interactivity becomes a trend ...
What in the world am I reading here?!?!? While I disagree with the way the subscription 'perks' are not clearly stated on the box (if they are stated at all here in the U.S.), I am amazed at what is being said here! I agree that most Dev's (or any of the upper hierarchy for that matter) do not visit open forums and post. It is rare, and on those rare occasions that it does happen ... it is most often a 'bad sign'. One quick (rhetorical) question: How is a group of Devs that actually talk with regular people actually a bad thing? When I started reading this thread, I was losing interest in supporting (what I consider to be) unethical practices such as: selling gold, hidden (or not easily found) subscription comments and the perks provided, etc ... It was at that time that lightning struck: A Dev came forward and interacted openly and freely. My first instinct was to become wary of the game, I admit. Then after reading more, I started noticing a trend ... These Devs are polite, mature, intelligent posters that are defending what they see as right. They are not flaming or attacking or any of the other things that have been common among the few developers that have come forward in the past. Take a moment and look back at the posts they made here in this thread, without bias, and you will see what I am talking about. To me, that is quite admirable and a very desired trait. I WANT to be able to talk directly with the Devs and get/give input. ANY real communication with the developers of a game is a huge plus. When that is added to the way that they conducted themselves ... I see something that I hope becomes more common in the future. One thumb up (not two - will explain below) to the Devs. Great job and very much appreciated! I am disabled and can only use one arm/hand for gaming. I usually suck at PvP because of that limitation and the faster the PvP is ... the greater my limitation becomes. I have no idea if I can even be somewhat competitive in a game such as this (doubtful), but to support the Devs for making the choice to interact with their player-base (and more) I'll be buying this game later this afternoon. Even if I am unable to play the game (it happens because of an inability to find a way to customize enough things to be 'handy') and even though I strongly dislike situations where those that have spare cash (realworld) are able to buy 'perks', I gladly support this game and it's developers. Many, many thanks and I pray that such interactivity becomes a trend ... Your newest customer, NarcissusG
Wow, literally wow. I did not ever expect to find such an educated and wise post from a gamer in this digital world. I'm truly impressed...
Auran devs are responding nearly 100% important posts made in official site. During the challenge (key word, during) they announced changes regarding the wishes and expectations of the community. After release, they were a bit slow poke. But tonight in a few hours comes a patch that adress the new problems, bugs or requests. They are definitely doing a very good job there... Trying to bash those warm minded developers who only wants the word "Fury" to be spread is hitting yourself in the foot. Having quality games that puts some innovative thoughts to the genre should only be supported (by not bashing, supporting on forums etc.)
Find me in game btw, my ingame name is Xtort. I will be more than happy to guide you and give you some items etc.
Xtort
----------------------------- Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
Even if I am unable to play the game (it happens because of an inability to find a way to customize enough things to be 'handy') and even though I strongly dislike situations where those that have spare cash (realworld) are able to buy 'perks', I gladly support this game and it's developers. Many, many thanks and I pray that such interactivity becomes a trend ... Your newest customer, NarcissusG
Wow, thank you!
As a thought, which arm is it that you can play with? You might want to consider getting a gaming specific controller and seeing if it helps you (for Fury and other games, as well). For example, Ideazon's Fang could prove useful in providing one-handed control. By mapping Fury's hotkeys to buttons on a controller such as that one you should be able to do the vast majority of what you need to do one-handed - the exception is going to be camera control, and there are options to have much of this automated (eg using a button to turn your character to face your selected target).
As a thought, which arm is it that you can play with? You might want to consider getting a gaming specific controller and seeing if it helps you (for Fury and other games, as well). For example, Ideazon's Fang could prove useful in providing one-handed control. By mapping Fury's hotkeys to buttons on a controller such as that one you should be able to do the vast majority of what you need to do one-handed - the exception is going to be camera control, and there are options to have much of this automated (eg using a button to turn your character to face your selected target).
While I appreciate the gesture, you have no reason to thank me at all.
I use a Microsoft Optical Intellimouse for gaming ... I have found it to work the best for me. In games such as Fury, I try to find a way to avoid using the mouse except during menus so that I can access as much as possible. I have a G15 gaming keyboard and between that and the very customizable configuration options in Fury, I am able to play quite well (you would be surprised at the number of games that don't have it).
My only suggestion would be a 'quick-alt' key that enables a person to switch hotkey groups. To explain in better detail: the regular 1, 2, 3 (etc) hotkey group would instantly switch places with the alt-1, alt-2, alt-3 (etc) group when I press the 'quick-alt' key. They would stay switched until I press the 'quick-alt' key again.
Regardless of whether you implement such a thing, I am able to play Fury quite well and have been enjoying the game tremendously. Great game, great developers, and great fun! Thanks yet again!
Originally posted by Xtort
Wow, literally wow. I did not ever expect to find such an educated and wise post from a gamer in this digital world. I'm truly impressed... Auran devs are responding nearly 100% important posts made in official site. During the challenge (key word, during) they announced changes regarding the wishes and expectations of the community. After release, they were a bit slow poke. But tonight in a few hours comes a patch that adress the new problems, bugs or requests. They are definitely doing a very good job there... Trying to bash those warm minded developers who only wants the word "Fury" to be spread is hitting yourself in the foot. Having quality games that puts some innovative thoughts to the genre should only be supported (by not bashing, supporting on forums etc.) Find me in game btw, my ingame name is Xtort. I will be more than happy to guide you and give you some items etc. Xtort
Thanks to you for the compliments! I signed up to this forum for the sole purpose of pointing out some of the absurd views here. Developers that communicate with playerbase = good, good thing.
My in-game name is Narcissus ... and I am jumping in now to try to learn how to avoid getting stomped in the first few seconds! Hope to see you in-game and take care all!
I own the Fang gamepad and I'm almost certain you can play Fury efficiently without using a 2nd hand given you use interface options and configure it properly so you turn to face your enemy without using the mouse.
I'm using a mouse + Fang combo in every game I play and I only use mouse to click options or whatever. Even WoW is possible to be played without a mouse this way so it's all good.
I strongly recommend it you get one of those. Also it's built so it can be used by either left or right hand so what hand you are using won't matter.
To the rest of ppl who are accusing Fury as a dissapointment, a scam, not as promised or whatever and waiting for "Insert Game Name here" that will change the world...My friendly advice:
I'd suggest you spend all this time waiting and forum crawling to even play a bad game, your time would be better spent
You are looking for the Holy Grail of MMOs...The actual Holy Grail has yet to be found... Good luck in your quest for the digital one.
To Narcissus: I own the Fang gamepad and I'm almost certain you can play Fury efficiently without using a 2nd hand given you use interface options and configure it properly so you turn to face your enemy without using the mouse. I'm using a mouse + Fang combo in every game I play and I only use mouse to click options or whatever. Even WoW is possible to be played without a mouse this way so it's all good. I strongly recommend it you get one of those. Also it's built so it can be used by either left or right hand so what hand you are using won't matter.
To the rest of ppl who are accusing Fury as a dissapointment, a scam, not as promised or whatever and waiting for "Insert Game Name here" that will change the world...My friendly advice: I'd suggest you spend all this time waiting and forum crawling to even play a bad game, your time would be better spent You are looking for the Holy Grail of MMOs...The actual Holy Grail has yet to be found... Good luck in your quest for the digital one.
I'll look into the Fang gamepad, but I'm quite happy with my current setup and am loathe to change. I use the intellimouse (very good mouse with two extra buttons - it is uni-hand) and the G15 (the best keyboard I've ever seen). I played WOW for a year or two and did quite well with just the keyboard (with only rare mouse usage). I can play most FPS games using the mouse + the G# keys on the G15 and am actually very good.
I'll look into the Fang gamepad and see what I think, but usually if I am unable to play with my usual setup ... I find that the game isn't worth the effort. Thanks for the suggestions though!
Fury is fun. It has a very steep learning curve and because you are playing humans rather than dumbed down bots, there is no 'best' way to play. I am starting to think that is where a lot of negativity for the game comes from. While it may be tough to get into the 'hang of things' ... once you start gleaning skills it is very satisfying.
I would like to note that on the North American copy, there is no mention on the box about any extended perks for subscribers. Actually, there isn't a single mention of any type of subscription. To me, that is very mis-leading and should be considered illegal. I dislike that type of half-truths in advertising.
I also greatly dislike real-world money being used to buy additional features and perks. Having said that, I admit that I purchased the subscription along with an 'unlock' package. Since there is no way that the Fury management team will undo those decisions, I couldn't resist.
There is lag in the game (server-side) that needs to be worked on and, of course, there are numerous smaller things that need to be tweaked and fixed ... yet I have to say that Fury is remarkably stable and bug-free for an MMO this early in it's life.
Everything considered, I think that Fury is a very good game and well worth the money. Add to that the interactivity that the Devs have with the community and I think Fury is top-notch.
EDIT: I would like to add that it has been over 24 hours since I made my purchase (subscription + unlocked abilities) and I have yet to receive anything. I placed a ticket (a report) about my situation and received a near instantaneous response (approx. 15 minutes). The ticket system in-game is not working so this was done on the website. The response was that he would copy my name and look into solving my problem as fast as he could. Since then, I spoke with that same CS (customer support?) person in-game twice and to two other CS people (the other two had <DEV> in their names) ... yet I still do not have what I purchased twenty-four hours ago.
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You're saying it states you can pay for a subscription for optional added features somewhere on the retail box? Well, I don't remember seeing that anywhere. I know for A FACT that the cover only says an internet connection is required. I took my box back, but I will try to find a scan of the back cover somewhere.
...And what is your definition of "enhanced features"? Participating in ranked matches? Seems like a standard part of the game in most cases I'm aware of. It's no wonder most sites didn't rate this game more than 6 out of 10. Why don't you just say something like:
FREE MONEY FOR NOTHING*
*free money provided on Feb. 29th, on tuesdays only. Actual monetary value 1/100th of a cent. Reward may require life savings. Offer not valid in Utah.
ROFL...That's a good one!!!
I don't see where we have ever done that?
You, Dan, are a COMPELTE LIAR! I stopped in and picked up a Fury box at the store to search for this "Optional subscription" information, and it is NOT THERE! In fact, it clearly says "Never Pay Again!*" The only * on the box denotes "Internet Connection Required"... So you are clearly perpetrating a scam here to milk extra money out of unsuspecting customers. Next time, you should read your own product's retail box before proclaiming your innocence...
at the official Fury forums, a press release has been posted containing full details of the Fury business model.
here are the differences between playing for free and paying for a subscription:
FREE - buy items at the auction house
PAID - buy and sell items at the auction house
FREE - standard "rested gold bonus"
PAID - extended "rested gold bonus"
FREE - 2 item roll slots at the end of each battle
PAID - 3 item roll slots at the end of each battle
FREE - can only listen on the integrated VoIP
PAID - can talk on the integrated VoIP
MORE FEATURES FOR THE PAID SUBSCRIPTION
- Quick travel in the Sanctuaries and Schools
- Priority log-in queuing
- Entry into weekly and seasonal Ladders
- Personal player battle statistics
- In-game Customer Service access
- Elite access to the test server to preview new content
Well, there we go, thats how its gonna roll, from an official press release a while back... Dan can correct me where nesecary
I bought fury on a whim after seeing some vids, and now its been deleted. 50 bucks wasted which is some my fault I would say. But the box should say what you can and can't do and it does not.
Things like in game access to customer service is simply ridiculous. You have to pay to get help faster? Unreal.
Some MMOs don't offer in-game customer service at all, and non subscribers still have access to the support website and ticket system.
non subscribers still have access to the support website and ticket system.
Which in all fairness, is all Guild Wars players get
I will be following up on this with our North American partner (the image you have posted is of the North American box, as published and distributed by Gamecock). Regardless, there is nothing false printed on the box. There is no monthly fee. There is an optional subscription.
The Australian region box that we produce and distribute includes the disclaimer that Dan quoted. Our website for the game cannot be clearer, press releases were quite clear and our online store (www.auran.com/auran/shop/Display_Product.php) also lists it.
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hey now, Furcadia rocks!
I bought fury on a whim after seeing some vids, and now its been deleted. 50 bucks wasted which is some my fault I would say. But the box should say what you can and can't do and it does not.
Things like in game access to customer service is simply ridiculous. You have to pay to get help faster? Unreal.
To your first paragraph the bottom line is that it is free to play. You don't have to pay beyond the initial price to play. There for it is free to play once purchased. And yes I believe everyone is responsible for finding out about something before they buy it. That's your choice. When you buy something no one walks up and tells you everything about it. It's up to you to figure that out.
I also want to add that some of the new car companies are including GPS for a year or two when you buy a new car. Now if they don't tell you its only for 2 years well tough shit you bought it. Ontop of that it isn't essential to playing the game or driving the car. And both companies Auran and say, Toyota are giving you a trial.
And as for your crying about your 50 bucks. Fury offered excellent PvP and thats what you get when you buy it. You crying about a $10 monthly fee that has almost NOTHING to do with the PvP. That is retarded.
The OP is obviously a troll, maybe his mom will not pay the fee for Fury and he feels his lack of skill can only be overcome by extra features in the (Key word coming) OPTIONAL subscription fee. From the other posts I have read it honestly doesn't seem like people will be gimped by chosing to remain free-to-play. Scam is a pretty strong word to be throwing around with a complete lack of facts and knowledge, gaming can and does cost money! If you don't like it stick to F2P and stop trolling every forum involving a game that has a sub! BAD KID!
The ones who are playing Fury in a competitive environment love the game and continue to play. Fury is not an easy game, there are no programmed bots waiting to be defeated by you. You will face real human beings behaving most likely different than you'd expect. They are not there to perform same actions every 30 seconds or 1 minute. They will adapt and try to beat you with different skills, maybe run away, or use help of others.
By joining the Fury community, you should be aware of all these. It's a competitive environment, and get ready to be BBQd over and over till you become better.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
People are coming to Fury not only from GW ... I know people that are coming from WOW PvP to Fury as well.
All Auran has to do to make this a 1million+ player game is:
1. Fix the bugs (yes, I know it's just two weeks after release but it should be more stable than it is)
2. Keep adding PvP content, with instanced PvP they can basically add 1 new warzone or map each month. By launch day Fury had about the same number of warzones as several popular MMORPG out there. Well, perhaps I am exagerating with the "1 warzone a month" idea, but the fundamental message I wanted to pass is that its just "pure PvP" so you can keep adding endless instanced content and match types ... the potential is HUGE
3. Spur up the competitive environment, with ladders, prizes and whatnot. Be weary with PvP competition in MMORPG: People that always win get easily bored and tend to leave. And people that always loose tend to quit. I'd promote competitions and prizes for different levels of play, there are 10 skill ratings on the game and I would make sure tournaments and whatnot were offered for all of the levels
The rest will work itself out. With its current setup alone and the bugs fixed, Fury will be able to keep its players around for a loooong while.
Fury does not need 1million+ subscribers at all. Sure it would be nice to have such a big player base, but I dont think there are 1million+ competitive players out there who can handle the difficulty of Fury.
I would be satisfied with 50.000 players, that's more than enough for a healthy game.
But seriously, why would anyone play WoW PvP with all those PvE grinding (to become compatible in PvP), balance issues? WoW requires you to use 8-10 skills of your class, and that's it. It's slow. You need to get new gear every 3 months to be efficient. You can not try new skills of other classes unless you grind 70 more levels.
If you love PvP, you will love Fury. No grinding (or minimum grinding as you can get any gear or skill in 2 weeks max). You can use any skills from any classes. No mana consumption, instead there are charges. You won't run OOM because you can build charges. Very fast PvP.
Why bother with some other PvP if there is such a system in place?
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
First of all I would like to point out that I have never played Fury, it just never grabbed my interest and there are other games out there that I can play to satisfy my once in awhile need to seperate someone from their life, BF2, ET:QW etc. This thread did grab my interest however, not because of the actual topic or wether or not the developers are trying to "scam" people but because the developers appear to feel the need to defend their game on open forums like this one.
It always worries me when that happens as not only is it very unprofessional but also speaks volumes for the game in question. Look back at the other games in which the developers have come here to defend their product and you will see what I mean, Mourning, Dark & Light etc. and we all know how they turned out. Again I would like to point out that this is from someone who has never tried the game and never will due to what I have read here, it would be like the age old question of "would you buy a car from this man?", err! no thanks.
If you have a sufficiently large player base, what will happen is that through the ranking system players will migrate to pools of similarly skilled players that will compete with each other. So although "mastering" the game is in fact "hard", doing some PvP just for fun can be very "easy" and achievable by many.
So on one side of the coin you can have the "elite" that can "master the 400 abilities, teamplay, builds, etc, etc". What are they doing? Playing against each other, winning and loosing matches.
On the other side of the coin you can have the "uber noobs" that just "play with the basic archetype". And what are they doing? Guess what? Playing against each other, winning and loosing matches!
So Fury can cater for a lot more players than people sometimes think, as long as its able to stratify its player base into similarly skilled brackets, and have people competing between themselves at each appropriate bracket. The game doesn't have to be "elite and hard" for all. My comment about midlevel tournaments was meant to address the issue that the various player brackets should be equally important to Auran, and that you should foster competition at all levels, not just at the top.
With that, I think it can reach a LOT of people ... perhaps 1 million was a bit too much, but it's late night and I am tired from too much PvP ...
ROFL..nice try with the reversed logic approach Eric but anyone that believes that steaming pile you just wrote deserves to not play such a cool game.
The devs are cool (and wise) enough to come here and answer (and protect from people such as yourself) the potential playerbase their questions and concerns directly and all you can do is (badly attempt to) compare them to some dodgy salesman.
Well done (not).
As you can see I did say that I had never played the game and at no point did I mention anything, good or bad about the game itself. The fact is that no reputable games company has as yet felt the need or stooped to such low levels as defending their game on open forums. WoW has more than it's fair share of haters but do you see the Blizzard devs over here defending it? no. SoE has more haters than Bin Laden but do you see their devs over here defending their products? no.
I have no idea how good or bad Fury is but I do know that all the decent MMO's stand or fall on how decent they are and the ones standing tall at the moment are doing so without the need for any kind of impassioned defence from the devs on open public forums. So please take that fanboi flag out of your ass and realise that other people have a right to their opinions, however much you may disagree with them and save your flames for those that unfairly rubbish the game you love so much, which I in no way did.
Blizzard or SoE need not come to these forums, because they already have enough advertisement. IGN and companies alike are already working in favor of companies like EA games, Microsoft, NCSoft, SoE etc.
Auran is a smaller company. It has a low budget. However, they did what no other prime time companies could ever dare, and built a pure PvP game for PvPers. Of course they would come here and support/defend their game, otherwise people badmouth (i.e. these forums) about a game like there is no tomorrow.
Fury is a beautiful game for PvP lovers. All my gaming life, I always supported PvP. Fury gives me what I want, that's my personal opinion.
But if you love PvP (MMO based) or have some kind of interest in the game, with badmouthing innovative companies like Auran, you dig your own hole. If people who love PvP come here and thrash talk about this game, then new companies will never be encouraged to produce new PvP-based games.
Think outside your buns. Do you like competitive, skill based, few or no grinding games? Then do NOT come here and thrash talk for god's sake. Auran might still be learning some tricks or performance issues. The game has few bugs for its release compared to other MMO releases. The server was down for only a few hours in total after 2 weeks, due to maintenance.
Think about the PvPs future, and if you love PvP, support these innovative ideas. Do you like to be stuck to PvE games where your gear is outdated once every few months? Do you love killing the same AI that has 4-5 tricks over and over for months? If you answer yes, go to those games, stop thrash talking here, and let PvPers enjoy a pure, competitive PvP environment.
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
Guys, people (and that includes devs) are free to do whatever they want.
So, devs are free to discuss their games publicly if they want to, or just dont do it they dont want to. The reasons for doing or not doing it are probably different from each specific dev to another, also probably very different from one game company to another. I suppose that on some companies information or even official statements about a game are very tightly controlled. So, just like many things in life, whatever goes on in the minds of others is a huge mistery and we very often fail in our assumptions about the reasoning behind their behaviours.
Also, players are also free to say and think whatever they want, including to make judgments about a game's quality based on dev's posting or not on forums. I wouldn't exactly call this kind of reasoning "sound", and I usually prefer to check stuff out by myself and use my own judgment, but hey, eric is entitled to his reasoning. I am happy to report that we are also free to pay attention to it or not
I was much more interested in how Fury is going to develop, today is the first post release patch and I hope the bugs get fixed so we can see Fury ramping up even more.
Also, I more than welcome public statements by devs and game companies on these and other forums, as one of the good things I learned from this game is that its a good thing to have a sense that the developers engage with the community in a very proactive manner.
What in the world am I reading here?!?!?
While I disagree with the way the subscription 'perks' are not clearly stated on the box (if they are stated at all here in the U.S.), I am amazed at what is being said here!
I agree that most Dev's (or any of the upper hierarchy for that matter) do not visit open forums and post. It is rare, and on those rare occasions that it does happen ... it is most often a 'bad sign'.
One quick (rhetorical) question: How is a group of Devs that actually talk with regular people actually a bad thing? When I started reading this thread, I was losing interest in supporting (what I consider to be) unethical practices such as: selling gold, hidden (or not easily found) subscription comments and the perks provided, etc ...
It was at that time that lightning struck: A Dev came forward and interacted openly and freely. My first instinct was to become wary of the game, I admit. Then after reading more, I started noticing a trend ...
These Devs are polite, mature, intelligent posters that are defending what they see as right. They are not flaming or attacking or any of the other things that have been common among the few developers that have come forward in the past. Take a moment and look back at the posts they made here in this thread, without bias, and you will see what I am talking about.
To me, that is quite admirable and a very desired trait. I WANT to be able to talk directly with the Devs and get/give input. ANY real communication with the developers of a game is a huge plus. When that is added to the way that they conducted themselves ... I see something that I hope becomes more common in the future. One thumb up (not two - will explain below) to the Devs. Great job and very much appreciated!
I am disabled and can only use one arm/hand for gaming. I usually suck at PvP because of that limitation and the faster the PvP is ... the greater my limitation becomes. I have no idea if I can even be somewhat competitive in a game such as this (doubtful), but to support the Devs for making the choice to interact with their player-base (and more) I'll be buying this game later this afternoon.
Even if I am unable to play the game (it happens because of an inability to find a way to customize enough things to be 'handy') and even though I strongly dislike situations where those that have spare cash (realworld) are able to buy 'perks', I gladly support this game and it's developers.
Many, many thanks and I pray that such interactivity becomes a trend ...
Your newest customer,
NarcissusG
Auran devs are responding nearly 100% important posts made in official site. During the challenge (key word, during) they announced changes regarding the wishes and expectations of the community. After release, they were a bit slow poke. But tonight in a few hours comes a patch that adress the new problems, bugs or requests. They are definitely doing a very good job there... Trying to bash those warm minded developers who only wants the word "Fury" to be spread is hitting yourself in the foot. Having quality games that puts some innovative thoughts to the genre should only be supported (by not bashing, supporting on forums etc.)
Find me in game btw, my ingame name is Xtort. I will be more than happy to guide you and give you some items etc.
Xtort
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Osbourne Cox: You are the guy from the gym.
Ted Treffon: I don't represent Hardbodies.
Osbourne Cox: I know very well what you represent. You represent the idiocy of today.
Ted Treffon: No, I don't represent that either.
Osbourne Cox: You are part of a league of morons. Oh, yes. You see you're one of the morons I've been fighting my whole life. But guess what. Today, I win.
As a thought, which arm is it that you can play with? You might want to consider getting a gaming specific controller and seeing if it helps you (for Fury and other games, as well). For example, Ideazon's Fang could prove useful in providing one-handed control. By mapping Fury's hotkeys to buttons on a controller such as that one you should be able to do the vast majority of what you need to do one-handed - the exception is going to be camera control, and there are options to have much of this automated (eg using a button to turn your character to face your selected target).
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While I appreciate the gesture, you have no reason to thank me at all.
I use a Microsoft Optical Intellimouse for gaming ... I have found it to work the best for me. In games such as Fury, I try to find a way to avoid using the mouse except during menus so that I can access as much as possible. I have a G15 gaming keyboard and between that and the very customizable configuration options in Fury, I am able to play quite well (you would be surprised at the number of games that don't have it).
My only suggestion would be a 'quick-alt' key that enables a person to switch hotkey groups. To explain in better detail: the regular 1, 2, 3 (etc) hotkey group would instantly switch places with the alt-1, alt-2, alt-3 (etc) group when I press the 'quick-alt' key. They would stay switched until I press the 'quick-alt' key again.
Regardless of whether you implement such a thing, I am able to play Fury quite well and have been enjoying the game tremendously. Great game, great developers, and great fun! Thanks yet again!
Thanks to you for the compliments! I signed up to this forum for the sole purpose of pointing out some of the absurd views here. Developers that communicate with playerbase = good, good thing.
My in-game name is Narcissus ... and I am jumping in now to try to learn how to avoid getting stomped in the first few seconds! Hope to see you in-game and take care all!
NarcissusG
To Narcissus:
I own the Fang gamepad and I'm almost certain you can play Fury efficiently without using a 2nd hand given you use interface options and configure it properly so you turn to face your enemy without using the mouse.
I'm using a mouse + Fang combo in every game I play and I only use mouse to click options or whatever. Even WoW is possible to be played without a mouse this way so it's all good.
I strongly recommend it you get one of those. Also it's built so it can be used by either left or right hand so what hand you are using won't matter.
To the rest of ppl who are accusing Fury as a dissapointment, a scam, not as promised or whatever and waiting for "Insert Game Name here" that will change the world...My friendly advice:
I'd suggest you spend all this time waiting and forum crawling to even play a bad game, your time would be better spent
You are looking for the Holy Grail of MMOs...The actual Holy Grail has yet to be found... Good luck in your quest for the digital one.
I'll look into the Fang gamepad, but I'm quite happy with my current setup and am loathe to change. I use the intellimouse (very good mouse with two extra buttons - it is uni-hand) and the G15 (the best keyboard I've ever seen). I played WOW for a year or two and did quite well with just the keyboard (with only rare mouse usage). I can play most FPS games using the mouse + the G# keys on the G15 and am actually very good.
I'll look into the Fang gamepad and see what I think, but usually if I am unable to play with my usual setup ... I find that the game isn't worth the effort. Thanks for the suggestions though!
Fury is fun. It has a very steep learning curve and because you are playing humans rather than dumbed down bots, there is no 'best' way to play. I am starting to think that is where a lot of negativity for the game comes from. While it may be tough to get into the 'hang of things' ... once you start gleaning skills it is very satisfying.
I would like to note that on the North American copy, there is no mention on the box about any extended perks for subscribers. Actually, there isn't a single mention of any type of subscription. To me, that is very mis-leading and should be considered illegal. I dislike that type of half-truths in advertising.
I also greatly dislike real-world money being used to buy additional features and perks. Having said that, I admit that I purchased the subscription along with an 'unlock' package. Since there is no way that the Fury management team will undo those decisions, I couldn't resist.
There is lag in the game (server-side) that needs to be worked on and, of course, there are numerous smaller things that need to be tweaked and fixed ... yet I have to say that Fury is remarkably stable and bug-free for an MMO this early in it's life.
Everything considered, I think that Fury is a very good game and well worth the money. Add to that the interactivity that the Devs have with the community and I think Fury is top-notch.
EDIT: I would like to add that it has been over 24 hours since I made my purchase (subscription + unlocked abilities) and I have yet to receive anything. I placed a ticket (a report) about my situation and received a near instantaneous response (approx. 15 minutes). The ticket system in-game is not working so this was done on the website. The response was that he would copy my name and look into solving my problem as fast as he could. Since then, I spoke with that same CS (customer support?) person in-game twice and to two other CS people (the other two had <DEV> in their names) ... yet I still do not have what I purchased twenty-four hours ago.
Narcissus