We could also probably partially blame the success of the console game market, and WoW. The industry sees gaming as a cash cow, where they can release dumbed-down, over-simplified games with minimal investment, and make a quick buck. Unfortunately, as far as PC games go, they don't even feel that they need to finish the product. However, I feel that in TR, the situation is somewhat differant. The development team seems to really care about their product, and to actually intend to follow through making the game better. I'm sure more polish and content would have been incuded in the retail game, if the DEVs had been afforded the time to implement it. We have to also realise that the development team, who cares, is not the same as the publisher, who simply wants their damn money, "NOW!".
The developers were resting on their laurels until real people (not friends and family fanboys) started showing up and asking where the hell the endgame was and why nothing was fleshed out..
NCsoft has waited over 7 years and spent 100 million dollars on what turns out to be Auto Assault on foot.
And as someone else put it, a korean dev team could have cranked a crappy game like Tabula Rasa out in 6-12 months.
The developers of Tabula Rasa have had TONs of time to make a decent game but Garriott is too busy throwing pajama parties to spend any time actually working.
That has changed since NCsoft said they wouldn't pay for his little self serving trip to space and there have been several articles in the Korean times that basically say that Richard Garriott has taken NCsoft for a big ride.
NCsoft has every right to demand a product delivery after the way Garriott has wasted YEARS of time and millions of dollars.
Trying to put the blame on NCsoft for the pathetic state Tabula Rasa is in is ridiculous, the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the Garriott brothers.
Also, we are still in the infancy of this genre. 10/11 years is nothing when it takes 3 - 4 years to develop a mmo for the most part.
I have worked in the same field (not game related) for 17 years now. My industry is 30 years old. It's still considered a very young industry and is still ebbing and flowing it's way into more structure.
I'm willing to bet that the mmorpg industry takes care of itself. The games that truly suck will flop, and investors will lose out. The games that are well made will fly and investors will make a ton of money. Eventually the investors will look at the big picture (once there's enough of a history to really look at) and be able to focus their monies on more "sure fire" games.
I do beleieve though, that with mmorpg's specifically, there will never be a true "sure-fire" roadmap. I mean WoW was definitely a lucky shot. It ran on the majority of computers and was dumbed down enough so that not only could the whole family play it including the 2 year olds, but the family pets could almost get the hang of it.
Based on the information above, which is only my opinion, I think TR will do really well over time. I think it will sell well out of the gate and grow nicely as times rolls by. I find the game to be extremely fun and very rewarding and challenging enough to hold my interest for a long while.
I am not stating anything as fact, I know that I could very well be wrong, but this is my opinion and I am sticking by it. I'd rather be wrong than a fence-sitter.
Also, we are still in the infancy of this genre. 10/11 years is nothing when it takes 3 - 4 years to develop a mmo for the most part. I have worked in the same field (not game related) for 17 years now. My industry is 30 years old. It's still considered a very young industry and is still ebbing and flowing it's way into more structure. I'm willing to bet that the mmorpg industry takes care of itself. The games that truly suck will flop, and investors will lose out. The games that are well made will fly and investors will make a ton of money. Eventually the investors will look at the big picture (once there's enough of a history to really look at) and be able to focus their monies on more "sure fire" games. I do beleieve though, that with mmorpg's specifically, there will never be a true "sure-fire" roadmap. I mean WoW was definitely a lucky shot. It ran on the majority of computers and was dumbed down enough so that not only could the whole family play it including the 2 year olds, but the family pets could almost get the hang of it. Based on the information above, which is only my opinion, I think TR will do really well over time. I think it will sell well out of the gate and grow nicely as times rolls by. I find the game to be extremely fun and very rewarding and challenging enough to hold my interest for a long while. I am not stating anything as fact, I know that I could very well be wrong, but this is my opinion and I am sticking by it. I'd rather be wrong than a fence-sitter.
It doesn't matter which side of the fence you claim to be on, the game has glaring flaws, is shallow to the point of being a poor single player game and is not going to do well.
Read the reviews across the internet, they are pretty much in unison regarding the poor state of the game.
If you go to a nothing site like Ten Ton Hammer you can see gushing fanboy reviews of the game, but the forums are empty of comments because they have deleted the negative remarks.
Check the blog reviews, they all end with similar comments about playing for a few days and then quitting out of boredom.
I am eager to hear the sub numbers after the first month of free play runs out on the retail box.
Also, we are still in the infancy of this genre. 10/11 years is nothing when it takes 3 - 4 years to develop a mmo for the most part. I have worked in the same field (not game related) for 17 years now. My industry is 30 years old. It's still considered a very young industry and is still ebbing and flowing it's way into more structure. I'm willing to bet that the mmorpg industry takes care of itself. The games that truly suck will flop, and investors will lose out. The games that are well made will fly and investors will make a ton of money. Eventually the investors will look at the big picture (once there's enough of a history to really look at) and be able to focus their monies on more "sure fire" games. I do beleieve though, that with mmorpg's specifically, there will never be a true "sure-fire" roadmap. I mean WoW was definitely a lucky shot. It ran on the majority of computers and was dumbed down enough so that not only could the whole family play it including the 2 year olds, but the family pets could almost get the hang of it. Based on the information above, which is only my opinion, I think TR will do really well over time. I think it will sell well out of the gate and grow nicely as times rolls by. I find the game to be extremely fun and very rewarding and challenging enough to hold my interest for a long while. I am not stating anything as fact, I know that I could very well be wrong, but this is my opinion and I am sticking by it. I'd rather be wrong than a fence-sitter.
It doesn't matter which side of the fence you claim to be on, the game has glaring flaws, is shallow to the point of being a poor single player game and is not going to do well.
Read the reviews across the internet, they are pretty much in unison regarding the poor state of the game.
If you go to a nothing site like Ten Ton Hammer you can see gushing fanboy reviews of the game, but the forums are empty of comments because they have deleted the negative remarks.
Check the blog reviews, they all end with similar comments about playing for a few days and then quitting out of boredom.
I am eager to hear the sub numbers after the first month of free play runs out on the retail box.
Actually it does matter. I am playing the game and I don't see these glaring flaws. I see an extremely fun game that has been fun for months to me. No other game been as fun 3 months into playing it as this one is. I could care less about reviews when I have my own experience to go on.
I am in game, there are a ton of people in game, they are having fun, they aren't talking about having fun on a message board... they are in game having the fun. The people posting all the crap on the boards are the ones who didn;t like the game, and that's fine, but it's not the way everyone feels about the game.
It wasn't your flavor of ice-cream. We get it. I'm not challenging you, it'd be like arguing religion which is just a waste of everyones time, but your's is not the only view and it certainly isn;t the majority from what i have seen.
The game launched today. You see a lot more views come into action soon enough. The only opinion I can give is my own. The difference between me and you is that you seem to think that your opinion is the "end-all" and I can assure it's not.... no more than mine is.
You have made enough of a statement now that I can easily tell that you have nothing to say that means jack to me. There are plenty of people on this site and in these threads who feel like you do about the game but can have a conversation about it without resorting to name calling and making a total ass out of themselves.
Your ego is quite comical. Someday you'll learn that. Good luck with that.
Also, we are still in the infancy of this genre. 10/11 years is nothing when it takes 3 - 4 years to develop a mmo for the most part. I have worked in the same field (not game related) for 17 years now. My industry is 30 years old. It's still considered a very young industry and is still ebbing and flowing it's way into more structure. I'm willing to bet that the mmorpg industry takes care of itself. The games that truly suck will flop, and investors will lose out. The games that are well made will fly and investors will make a ton of money. Eventually the investors will look at the big picture (once there's enough of a history to really look at) and be able to focus their monies on more "sure fire" games. I do beleieve though, that with mmorpg's specifically, there will never be a true "sure-fire" roadmap. I mean WoW was definitely a lucky shot. It ran on the majority of computers and was dumbed down enough so that not only could the whole family play it including the 2 year olds, but the family pets could almost get the hang of it. Based on the information above, which is only my opinion, I think TR will do really well over time. I think it will sell well out of the gate and grow nicely as times rolls by. I find the game to be extremely fun and very rewarding and challenging enough to hold my interest for a long while. I am not stating anything as fact, I know that I could very well be wrong, but this is my opinion and I am sticking by it. I'd rather be wrong than a fence-sitter.
It doesn't matter which side of the fence you claim to be on, the game has glaring flaws, is shallow to the point of being a poor single player game and is not going to do well.
Read the reviews across the internet, they are pretty much in unison regarding the poor state of the game.
If you go to a nothing site like Ten Ton Hammer you can see gushing fanboy reviews of the game, but the forums are empty of comments because they have deleted the negative remarks.
Check the blog reviews, they all end with similar comments about playing for a few days and then quitting out of boredom.
I am eager to hear the sub numbers after the first month of free play runs out on the retail box.
Actually it does matter. I am playing the game and I don't see these glaring flaws. I see an extremely fun game that has been fun for months to me. No other game been as fun 3 months into playing it as this one is. I could care less about reviews when I have my own experience to go on.
I am in game, there are a ton of people in game, they are having fun, they aren't talking about having fun on a message board... they are in game having the fun. The people posting all the crap on the boards are the ones who didn;t like the game, and that's fine, but it's not the way everyone feels about the game.
It wasn't your flavor of ice-cream. We get it. I'm not challenging you, it'd be like arguing religion which is just a waste of everyones time, but your's is not the only view and it certainly isn;t the majority from what i have seen.
The game launched today. You see a lot more views come into action soon enough. The only opinion I can give is my own. The difference between me and you is that you seem to think that your opinion is the "end-all" and I can assure it's not.... no more than mine is.
You have made enough of a statement now that I can easily tell that you have nothing to say that means jack to me. There are plenty of people on this site and in these threads who feel like you do about the game but can have a conversation about it without resorting to name calling and making a total ass out of themselves.
Your ego is quite comical. Someday you'll learn that. Good luck with that.
You fanboys are always the ones that break it down to a personal attack.
I didn't attack you, but since you are unable to offer anything more than "gee, I played for months and it's wonderful" you resort to a churlish personal attack.
If anyone needs to get over their ego it's the fanboy who cannot find anything good to say about the crappy game and has to resort to the above mentioned tactics.
I'm glad that you are so OCD/ADD that the game has kept you entertained for "months", try to remember how awesome it is when it gets flushed here in the near future.
Also, we are still in the infancy of this genre. 10/11 years is nothing when it takes 3 - 4 years to develop a mmo for the most part. I have worked in the same field (not game related) for 17 years now. My industry is 30 years old. It's still considered a very young industry and is still ebbing and flowing it's way into more structure. I'm willing to bet that the mmorpg industry takes care of itself. The games that truly suck will flop, and investors will lose out. The games that are well made will fly and investors will make a ton of money. Eventually the investors will look at the big picture (once there's enough of a history to really look at) and be able to focus their monies on more "sure fire" games. I do beleieve though, that with mmorpg's specifically, there will never be a true "sure-fire" roadmap. I mean WoW was definitely a lucky shot. It ran on the majority of computers and was dumbed down enough so that not only could the whole family play it including the 2 year olds, but the family pets could almost get the hang of it. Based on the information above, which is only my opinion, I think TR will do really well over time. I think it will sell well out of the gate and grow nicely as times rolls by. I find the game to be extremely fun and very rewarding and challenging enough to hold my interest for a long while. I am not stating anything as fact, I know that I could very well be wrong, but this is my opinion and I am sticking by it. I'd rather be wrong than a fence-sitter.
It doesn't matter which side of the fence you claim to be on, the game has glaring flaws, is shallow to the point of being a poor single player game and is not going to do well.
Read the reviews across the internet, they are pretty much in unison regarding the poor state of the game.
If you go to a nothing site like Ten Ton Hammer you can see gushing fanboy reviews of the game, but the forums are empty of comments because they have deleted the negative remarks.
Check the blog reviews, they all end with similar comments about playing for a few days and then quitting out of boredom.
I am eager to hear the sub numbers after the first month of free play runs out on the retail box.
Actually it does matter. I am playing the game and I don't see these glaring flaws. I see an extremely fun game that has been fun for months to me. No other game been as fun 3 months into playing it as this one is. I could care less about reviews when I have my own experience to go on.
I am in game, there are a ton of people in game, they are having fun, they aren't talking about having fun on a message board... they are in game having the fun. The people posting all the crap on the boards are the ones who didn;t like the game, and that's fine, but it's not the way everyone feels about the game.
It wasn't your flavor of ice-cream. We get it. I'm not challenging you, it'd be like arguing religion which is just a waste of everyones time, but your's is not the only view and it certainly isn;t the majority from what i have seen.
The game launched today. You see a lot more views come into action soon enough. The only opinion I can give is my own. The difference between me and you is that you seem to think that your opinion is the "end-all" and I can assure it's not.... no more than mine is.
You have made enough of a statement now that I can easily tell that you have nothing to say that means jack to me. There are plenty of people on this site and in these threads who feel like you do about the game but can have a conversation about it without resorting to name calling and making a total ass out of themselves.
Your ego is quite comical. Someday you'll learn that. Good luck with that.
You fanboys are always the ones that break it down to a personal attack.
I didn't attack you, but since you are unable to offer anything more than "gee, I played for months and it's wonderful" you resort to a churlish personal attack.
If anyone needs to get over their ego it's the fanboy who cannot find anything good to say about the crappy game and has to resort to the above mentioned tactics.
I'm glad that you are so OCD/ADD that the game has kept you entertained for "months", try to remember how awesome it is when it gets flushed here in the near future.
You have been throwing nothing but attacks, general or personal doesn;t matter to me, I could care less what you think really. I made no attack whatsoever, I feel that your ego is pure comedy gold, that's not an attack.
Here's some news, you are not the only person in this world. People are going to feel differently about things than you do. OCD? ADD? And I made personal attacks? lol
You are brilliant man. You are just ripe. You would get along great with my 15 month old.
I'm sorry that Tabula Rasa burned your house down or whatever it did to set you on a personal crusade against it, but you are entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong
You have been throwing nothing but attacks, general or personal doesn;t matter to me, I could care less what you think really. I made no attack whatsoever, I feel that your ego is pure comedy gold, that's not an attack.
Try talking about the game.
Here's some news, you are not the only person in this world. People are going to feel differently about things than you do. OCD? ADD? And I made personal attacks? lol
Try talking about the game.
You are brilliant man. You are just ripe. You would get along great with my 15 month old.
I have a 24 year old son that will get along well with your wife/girlfriend .
I'm sorry that Tabula Rasa burned your house down or whatever it did to set you on a personal crusade against it, but you are entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong
Again, nothing about the game just childish comments designed to bolster your ego.
Feel free to take more cheap shots, it only helps people see how desperate you fanboys are and how you have no leg to stand on.
If the above is all you've got to defend how great you think the game is then it's failure is predetermined.
Better get a bucket and start bailing, as of today your little fanboy boat is taking on water.
Serious man, you have got to find a hobby other than posting your negative personal views on these boards. I think you made it clear that YOU do not personally like the game, can you move on now? Seriously?
Your tirade against the people that enjoy the game, and the game itself are just getting a little old. I don't think you have anything more to "prove" let alone gain from trolling the TR boards. People outright will try the game, and they will decide on their own whether or not it suits them. Its obviously not everyone is going to like it, but there are far more than the few voices I have heard here spilling out poison.
Move on so the rest of us who have valid questions, or those currently playing, can have a genuine discussion concerning the game can do so in peace.
Serious man, you have got to find a hobby other than posting your negative personal views on these boards. I think you made it clear that YOU do not personally like the game, can you move on now? Seriously? Your tirade against the people that enjoy the game, and the game itself are just getting a little old. I don't think you have anything more to "prove" let alone gain from trolling the TR boards. People outright will try the game, and they will decide on their own whether or not it suits them. Its obviously not everyone is going to like it, but there are far more than the few voices I have heard here spilling out poison. Move on so the rest of us who have valid questions, or those currently playing, can have a genuine discussion concerning the game can do so in peace.
First off, no one asked you to read any of my posts use the ignore feature and do not try to dictate what other people do on public gaming forums.
Start your own forum if you want to control the content.
Secondly, I have not hijacked ANY threads by people asking questions about the game.
I will continue to offer my opinions as long as I feel like doing so.
Serious man, you have got to find a hobby other than posting your negative personal views on these boards. I think you made it clear that YOU do not personally like the game, can you move on now? Seriously? Your tirade against the people that enjoy the game, and the game itself are just getting a little old. I don't think you have anything more to "prove" let alone gain from trolling the TR boards. People outright will try the game, and they will decide on their own whether or not it suits them. Its obviously not everyone is going to like it, but there are far more than the few voices I have heard here spilling out poison. Move on so the rest of us who have valid questions, or those currently playing, can have a genuine discussion concerning the game can do so in peace.
First off, no one asked you to read any of my posts use the ignore feature and do not try to dictate what other people do on public gaming forums.
Start your own forum if you want to control the content.
Secondly, I have not hijacked ANY threads by people asking questions about the game.
I will continue to offer my opinions as long as I feel like doing so.
You got that ?
Only thing you mentioned that made any sense to me.... was to use the ignore feature. The rest was a waste personally as it offered yet once again, nothing useful or informative to the TR community.
Just a friendly suggestion... don't bother replying, I won't see it.
You have been throwing nothing but attacks, general or personal doesn;t matter to me, I could care less what you think really. I made no attack whatsoever, I feel that your ego is pure comedy gold, that's not an attack.
Try talking about the game.
Here's some news, you are not the only person in this world. People are going to feel differently about things than you do. OCD? ADD? And I made personal attacks? lol
Try talking about the game.
You are brilliant man. You are just ripe. You would get along great with my 15 month old.
I have a 24 year old son that will get along well with your wife/girlfriend .
I'm sorry that Tabula Rasa burned your house down or whatever it did to set you on a personal crusade against it, but you are entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong
Again, nothing about the game just childish comments designed to bolster your ego.
Feel free to take more cheap shots, it only helps people see how desperate you fanboys are and how you have no leg to stand on.
If the above is all you've got to defend how great you think the game is then it's failure is predetermined.
Better get a bucket and start bailing, as of today your little fanboy boat is taking on water.
Ok man. You win
I am sorry that I said anything about you. It's all good. I'm also sorry that TR didn't end up being the game for you.
I see that you played Saga of Ryzom. The reason I bring this up is that you clearly like a game with some depth to it (to be cliche, a little meat on the bones). This puzzles me. I betaed TR, and found that the gameplay was pretty repetitious.
My question is, what about the release version of TR makes it stand out to you pesonally? I've been reading a good deal of negative hype about the shallowness of this game, and wanted to know your opinion. The game seemed to have some potential, but fell short in that regard (at least during Beta).
Serious man, you have got to find a hobby other than posting your negative personal views on these boards. I think you made it clear that YOU do not personally like the game, can you move on now? Seriously? Your tirade against the people that enjoy the game, and the game itself are just getting a little old. I don't think you have anything more to "prove" let alone gain from trolling the TR boards. People outright will try the game, and they will decide on their own whether or not it suits them. Its obviously not everyone is going to like it, but there are far more than the few voices I have heard here spilling out poison. Move on so the rest of us who have valid questions, or those currently playing, can have a genuine discussion concerning the game can do so in peace.
First off, no one asked you to read any of my posts use the ignore feature and do not try to dictate what other people do on public gaming forums.
Start your own forum if you want to control the content.
Secondly, I have not hijacked ANY threads by people asking questions about the game.
I will continue to offer my opinions as long as I feel like doing so.
You got that ?
Only thing you mentioned that made any sense to me.... was to use the ignore feature. The rest was a waste personally as it offered yet once again, nothing useful or informative to the TR community.
Just a friendly suggestion... don't bother replying, I won't see it.
No loss to me, no one asked you to join the thread or ever view any of my comments.
Too bad you couldn't have just posted about how great the game is and tell everybody about all of it's wonderful features.
But I do understand, since the game is shallow trash there is very little you can say to defend it other than something to the effect of "This is awesome, I like to run and shoot, yay !!".
For people looking to buy a MMORPG that will create fond memories of years of enjoyment Tabula Rasa isn't going to do anything more than waste $50.00 of their hard earned money.
Souvec: I see that you played Saga of Ryzom. The reason I bring this up is that you clearly like a game with some depth to it (to be cliche, a little meat on the bones). This puzzles me. I betaed TR, and found that the gameplay was pretty repetitious. My question is, what about the release version of TR makes it stand out to you pesonally? I've been reading a good deal of negative hype about the shallowness of this game, and wanted to know your opinion. The game seemed to have some potential, but fell short in that regard (at least during Beta).
Lots of people played Ryzom, Anarchy Online, EvE, etc... without ever enjoying their depth.
Because said depth exists doesn't mean it has been explored.
But as you say, I would truly like to hear more opinions, with reasonable and factual arguments, as to why anyone would find the game deep enough to actually subscribe to it.
When, nameless, people say things like "radical changes" have been made since beta I have asked them to please list those "radical changes" and of course they go silent.
Same for those that say it has a deep and intricate story, ask them to define the depth of the story and they go silent.
I fear that those who are in love with the game are "consumers" who fall in love with a product based on it's hype, branding, packaging, whatever, and are the type of people that worship celebrity icons, eat regularly at fast food restaurants thinking it is good food, watch a lot of TV and follow the latest fad to hit the internet.
Souvec: I see that you played Saga of Ryzom. The reason I bring this up is that you clearly like a game with some depth to it (to be cliche, a little meat on the bones). This puzzles me. I betaed TR, and found that the gameplay was pretty repetitious. My question is, what about the release version of TR makes it stand out to you pesonally? I've been reading a good deal of negative hype about the shallowness of this game, and wanted to know your opinion. The game seemed to have some potential, but fell short in that regard (at least during Beta).
Lots of people played Ryzom, Anarchy Online, EvE, etc... without ever enjoying their depth.
Because said depth exists doesn't mean it has been explored.
But as you say, I would truly like to hear more opinions, with reasonable and factual arguments, as to why anyone would find the game deep enough to actually subscribe to it.
When, nameless, people say things like "radical changes" have been made since beta I have asked them to please list those "radical changes" and of course they go silent.
Same for those that say it has a deep and intricate story, ask them to define the depth of the story and they go silent.
I fear that those who are in love with the game are "consumers" who fall in love with a product based on it's hype, branding, packaging, whatever, and are the type of people that worship celebrity icons, eat regularly at fast food restaurants thinking it is good food, watch a lot of TV and follow the latest fad to hit the internet.
I concur wholeheartedly. I assumed that if one played a game such as Ryzom or Eve, they delved deep into the intricacies of these titles, because the game has the freedom to allow a subscriber to do so. Essentially, I feel that you if played either, you had a thirst for such a game style. (I don't mention AO here because I personally have not played it, and therefore cannot speak from experience).
As of this time, I don't want to drop 50 bucks of my money into a game unless I hear some points on why this game stands out among the rest (ignoring the fact that it's in a sci-fi setting). All I really wanted to hear was what this game brings to the table in terms of originality and replayability. TR, during beta, came off to me as shallow, and I too would like to hear about these "radical changes" made.
I tend to agree that it may be hype that is bringing about an intial euphoria pertaining to this title, but I suppose time will tell if that feeling was just a product of years of anticipation or something produced by substance.
Anybody who could shed light on these matters... I would personally be very thankful.
Souvec: I see that you played Saga of Ryzom. The reason I bring this up is that you clearly like a game with some depth to it (to be cliche, a little meat on the bones). This puzzles me. I betaed TR, and found that the gameplay was pretty repetitious. My question is, what about the release version of TR makes it stand out to you pesonally? I've been reading a good deal of negative hype about the shallowness of this game, and wanted to know your opinion. The game seemed to have some potential, but fell short in that regard (at least during Beta).
Lots of people played Ryzom, Anarchy Online, EvE, etc... without ever enjoying their depth.
Because said depth exists doesn't mean it has been explored.
But as you say, I would truly like to hear more opinions, with reasonable and factual arguments, as to why anyone would find the game deep enough to actually subscribe to it.
When, nameless, people say things like "radical changes" have been made since beta I have asked them to please list those "radical changes" and of course they go silent.
Same for those that say it has a deep and intricate story, ask them to define the depth of the story and they go silent.
I fear that those who are in love with the game are "consumers" who fall in love with a product based on it's hype, branding, packaging, whatever, and are the type of people that worship celebrity icons, eat regularly at fast food restaurants thinking it is good food, watch a lot of TV and follow the latest fad to hit the internet.
See, here's the thing though, that last statement is clearly wrong. I am in love with the game, having a blast. I don't fall in love with anything based on it's hype, i try things out and make up my own mind. I worship zero celbrity icons and watch about 3 hours of TV per month, total. I haven't eaten fast foods in years and wouldn't touch it at all. I am extremely healthy and fit, have a wonderful family and a beautiful house that i worked very hard to make my "home". I'm not big on fads nor do I get addicted or caught up in much of anything. I have some great hobbies, I work extremely hard (2 jobs, including my own successful business) but I work smart. I make a decent living and I invest in my families future.
I don't just give my money to anyone who i don;t feel deserves it. NC deserves it with TR. It's a great game and I have arrived at that opinion by playing it. It is loads of fun and everyone that I know that is playing it is loving it. I know of 11 people in my personal circle that play it and are really enjoying it. Here's the thing though, we usually don't share the same opinions about these mmorpgs. We tend to disagree about most of this stuff. But on this one we all agree, it's just a great game with a great amount of fun.
As hard as I work for my money, I certainly am not going to let anybody tell me what I should and should not spend it on. All of the name calling in the world isn't going to change the fact that we are having a ton fun in this game.
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I also played SoR for years. I bought it the day it launched and I played through the bankruptcy and hard times all the way up to R2 recently, before Nevrax lost it. i loved it! But I find TR to be just as deep, if not deeper, and a hell of a lot more fun.
Could you delve into what you like about this game?
Sure thing, although I have a feeling that some on here are just going to tell me that i am wrong for liking it... which like I said is like arguing religion.
See my recent thread on THE 100% FACTS. I have to head out of here for a little bit will be back to discuss later on. Of course, I need to play some TR too
Souvec: I see that you played Saga of Ryzom. The reason I bring this up is that you clearly like a game with some depth to it (to be cliche, a little meat on the bones). This puzzles me. I betaed TR, and found that the gameplay was pretty repetitious. My question is, what about the release version of TR makes it stand out to you pesonally? I've been reading a good deal of negative hype about the shallowness of this game, and wanted to know your opinion. The game seemed to have some potential, but fell short in that regard (at least during Beta).
Thats a good question Hadreynn, and I could see how one could be confused as both games are far different from one another. I must first say that my time in Ryzom was one of the best experiences I have ever had in an MMO period. If it wasn't for the financial mishaps of two game companies, and a major falling out of one of the best known RP guilds... I still to this day would be playing.
Here are a few things I enjoyed about Ryzom.
Skill Tree based progression.
Hand-custom building of skills, spells, and stances.
Unique living and breathing world, with seasons, migration patterns, etc.
Indepth lore, and exception opportunity for roleplaying
Best community I have ever been part of.
As a personal preference, I have always been an advocate for skill based games. Games that offer the player a free-form non-linear experience where I can truly make my own choices. This is where is gets confusing as if you were to take that list and compiled it with my own preferences, why would I play a game like Tabula Rasa?
Let me explain.
I have played UO, EVE, Ryzom (as well as various other MMO's), and have enjoyed my time in each game world. It has been an accumulation of over 10 years worth of gaming in several genres including MMO's. But I'm not the same kid anymore as I was long ago. I'm now a father, married, 50+ hours and responsibilities that are far greater than any game. 10 years have gone by for me, and my attitude towards gaming has changes drastically with the arrival of my son. So what does all that have to do with TR, well quite a bit.
For me Tabula Rasa offers a unique experience that satisfies my personal needs in a reasonable time-frame I am now reduced to. Offering the best of two genres I enjoy, MMO and FPS, I am now able to get a taste of two games while in one sitting. The time I get to sit down and game is now filled with much more excitement, and I haven't found myself drooling over a keyboard waiting for a rare boss to spawn... for me there is always something interesting to do.
What I don't like.
What I will say about TR is that while it offers the best of both worlds, it doesn't raise the bar on either genre. The RPG portion is fairly similar to other games and not entirely groundbreaking, though it has its own flavor. The quests are similar in design to say Vanguards, but they do at least offer a few interlocking storylines. The Auto-Aim for the FPS portion isn't really my taste, but if I remember correctly some AAA FPS titles also offer the same option (though it can be toggled off). Aside from genres, the overall lore is lacking sure, but whether or not that was by design or lack of time I am not sure. Garrott would most likely describe that as part of the "clean slate" thats been promoted. The lore I would say is as thick as a FPS storyline, but hopefully being that TR is a constant work in progress (unlike a finished FPS title) we can expect more to be built upon the already laid out foundation.
Overall TR stood out for me, as it fit my own personal needs. I enjoy a good FPS game, and I also enjoy teaming up with friends and seeing a character develop over time. TR in its current state offers that, and accompanied with a solid launch, decent playable graphics, and the outpost battles... I was sold. I hope to start up some roleplaying to help make this a three-sided affair, and since TR offers a "clean slate" the sky is open to the imagination.
Would I be playing TR if I was single, and had limited responsibilities? Most likely no since I would have time to play titles from both genres, geared and designed more towards each specific entity. This is my most honest opinion.
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NCsoft has waited over 7 years and spent 100 million dollars on what turns out to be Auto Assault on foot.
And as someone else put it, a korean dev team could have cranked a crappy game like Tabula Rasa out in 6-12 months.
The developers of Tabula Rasa have had TONs of time to make a decent game but Garriott is too busy throwing pajama parties to spend any time actually working.
That has changed since NCsoft said they wouldn't pay for his little self serving trip to space and there have been several articles in the Korean times that basically say that Richard Garriott has taken NCsoft for a big ride.
NCsoft has every right to demand a product delivery after the way Garriott has wasted YEARS of time and millions of dollars.
Trying to put the blame on NCsoft for the pathetic state Tabula Rasa is in is ridiculous, the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the Garriott brothers.
Also, we are still in the infancy of this genre. 10/11 years is nothing when it takes 3 - 4 years to develop a mmo for the most part.
I have worked in the same field (not game related) for 17 years now. My industry is 30 years old. It's still considered a very young industry and is still ebbing and flowing it's way into more structure.
I'm willing to bet that the mmorpg industry takes care of itself. The games that truly suck will flop, and investors will lose out. The games that are well made will fly and investors will make a ton of money. Eventually the investors will look at the big picture (once there's enough of a history to really look at) and be able to focus their monies on more "sure fire" games.
I do beleieve though, that with mmorpg's specifically, there will never be a true "sure-fire" roadmap. I mean WoW was definitely a lucky shot. It ran on the majority of computers and was dumbed down enough so that not only could the whole family play it including the 2 year olds, but the family pets could almost get the hang of it.
Based on the information above, which is only my opinion, I think TR will do really well over time. I think it will sell well out of the gate and grow nicely as times rolls by. I find the game to be extremely fun and very rewarding and challenging enough to hold my interest for a long while.
I am not stating anything as fact, I know that I could very well be wrong, but this is my opinion and I am sticking by it. I'd rather be wrong than a fence-sitter.
It doesn't matter which side of the fence you claim to be on, the game has glaring flaws, is shallow to the point of being a poor single player game and is not going to do well.
Read the reviews across the internet, they are pretty much in unison regarding the poor state of the game.
If you go to a nothing site like Ten Ton Hammer you can see gushing fanboy reviews of the game, but the forums are empty of comments because they have deleted the negative remarks.
Check the blog reviews, they all end with similar comments about playing for a few days and then quitting out of boredom.
I am eager to hear the sub numbers after the first month of free play runs out on the retail box.
It doesn't matter which side of the fence you claim to be on, the game has glaring flaws, is shallow to the point of being a poor single player game and is not going to do well.
Read the reviews across the internet, they are pretty much in unison regarding the poor state of the game.
If you go to a nothing site like Ten Ton Hammer you can see gushing fanboy reviews of the game, but the forums are empty of comments because they have deleted the negative remarks.
Check the blog reviews, they all end with similar comments about playing for a few days and then quitting out of boredom.
I am eager to hear the sub numbers after the first month of free play runs out on the retail box.
Actually it does matter. I am playing the game and I don't see these glaring flaws. I see an extremely fun game that has been fun for months to me. No other game been as fun 3 months into playing it as this one is. I could care less about reviews when I have my own experience to go on.
I am in game, there are a ton of people in game, they are having fun, they aren't talking about having fun on a message board... they are in game having the fun. The people posting all the crap on the boards are the ones who didn;t like the game, and that's fine, but it's not the way everyone feels about the game.
It wasn't your flavor of ice-cream. We get it. I'm not challenging you, it'd be like arguing religion which is just a waste of everyones time, but your's is not the only view and it certainly isn;t the majority from what i have seen.
The game launched today. You see a lot more views come into action soon enough. The only opinion I can give is my own. The difference between me and you is that you seem to think that your opinion is the "end-all" and I can assure it's not.... no more than mine is.
You have made enough of a statement now that I can easily tell that you have nothing to say that means jack to me. There are plenty of people on this site and in these threads who feel like you do about the game but can have a conversation about it without resorting to name calling and making a total ass out of themselves.
Your ego is quite comical. Someday you'll learn that. Good luck with that.
It doesn't matter which side of the fence you claim to be on, the game has glaring flaws, is shallow to the point of being a poor single player game and is not going to do well.
Read the reviews across the internet, they are pretty much in unison regarding the poor state of the game.
If you go to a nothing site like Ten Ton Hammer you can see gushing fanboy reviews of the game, but the forums are empty of comments because they have deleted the negative remarks.
Check the blog reviews, they all end with similar comments about playing for a few days and then quitting out of boredom.
I am eager to hear the sub numbers after the first month of free play runs out on the retail box.
Actually it does matter. I am playing the game and I don't see these glaring flaws. I see an extremely fun game that has been fun for months to me. No other game been as fun 3 months into playing it as this one is. I could care less about reviews when I have my own experience to go on.
I am in game, there are a ton of people in game, they are having fun, they aren't talking about having fun on a message board... they are in game having the fun. The people posting all the crap on the boards are the ones who didn;t like the game, and that's fine, but it's not the way everyone feels about the game.
It wasn't your flavor of ice-cream. We get it. I'm not challenging you, it'd be like arguing religion which is just a waste of everyones time, but your's is not the only view and it certainly isn;t the majority from what i have seen.
The game launched today. You see a lot more views come into action soon enough. The only opinion I can give is my own. The difference between me and you is that you seem to think that your opinion is the "end-all" and I can assure it's not.... no more than mine is.
You have made enough of a statement now that I can easily tell that you have nothing to say that means jack to me. There are plenty of people on this site and in these threads who feel like you do about the game but can have a conversation about it without resorting to name calling and making a total ass out of themselves.
Your ego is quite comical. Someday you'll learn that. Good luck with that.
You fanboys are always the ones that break it down to a personal attack.
I didn't attack you, but since you are unable to offer anything more than "gee, I played for months and it's wonderful" you resort to a churlish personal attack.
If anyone needs to get over their ego it's the fanboy who cannot find anything good to say about the crappy game and has to resort to the above mentioned tactics.
I'm glad that you are so OCD/ADD that the game has kept you entertained for "months", try to remember how awesome it is when it gets flushed here in the near future.
It doesn't matter which side of the fence you claim to be on, the game has glaring flaws, is shallow to the point of being a poor single player game and is not going to do well.
Read the reviews across the internet, they are pretty much in unison regarding the poor state of the game.
If you go to a nothing site like Ten Ton Hammer you can see gushing fanboy reviews of the game, but the forums are empty of comments because they have deleted the negative remarks.
Check the blog reviews, they all end with similar comments about playing for a few days and then quitting out of boredom.
I am eager to hear the sub numbers after the first month of free play runs out on the retail box.
Actually it does matter. I am playing the game and I don't see these glaring flaws. I see an extremely fun game that has been fun for months to me. No other game been as fun 3 months into playing it as this one is. I could care less about reviews when I have my own experience to go on.
I am in game, there are a ton of people in game, they are having fun, they aren't talking about having fun on a message board... they are in game having the fun. The people posting all the crap on the boards are the ones who didn;t like the game, and that's fine, but it's not the way everyone feels about the game.
It wasn't your flavor of ice-cream. We get it. I'm not challenging you, it'd be like arguing religion which is just a waste of everyones time, but your's is not the only view and it certainly isn;t the majority from what i have seen.
The game launched today. You see a lot more views come into action soon enough. The only opinion I can give is my own. The difference between me and you is that you seem to think that your opinion is the "end-all" and I can assure it's not.... no more than mine is.
You have made enough of a statement now that I can easily tell that you have nothing to say that means jack to me. There are plenty of people on this site and in these threads who feel like you do about the game but can have a conversation about it without resorting to name calling and making a total ass out of themselves.
Your ego is quite comical. Someday you'll learn that. Good luck with that.
You fanboys are always the ones that break it down to a personal attack.
I didn't attack you, but since you are unable to offer anything more than "gee, I played for months and it's wonderful" you resort to a churlish personal attack.
If anyone needs to get over their ego it's the fanboy who cannot find anything good to say about the crappy game and has to resort to the above mentioned tactics.
I'm glad that you are so OCD/ADD that the game has kept you entertained for "months", try to remember how awesome it is when it gets flushed here in the near future.
You have been throwing nothing but attacks, general or personal doesn;t matter to me, I could care less what you think really. I made no attack whatsoever, I feel that your ego is pure comedy gold, that's not an attack.
Here's some news, you are not the only person in this world. People are going to feel differently about things than you do. OCD? ADD? And I made personal attacks? lol
You are brilliant man. You are just ripe. You would get along great with my 15 month old.
I'm sorry that Tabula Rasa burned your house down or whatever it did to set you on a personal crusade against it, but you are entitled to your opinion, even if it's wrong
Try talking about the game.
Try talking about the game.
I have a 24 year old son that will get along well with your wife/girlfriend .
Again, nothing about the game just childish comments designed to bolster your ego.
Feel free to take more cheap shots, it only helps people see how desperate you fanboys are and how you have no leg to stand on.
If the above is all you've got to defend how great you think the game is then it's failure is predetermined.
Better get a bucket and start bailing, as of today your little fanboy boat is taking on water.
Serious man, you have got to find a hobby other than posting your negative personal views on these boards. I think you made it clear that YOU do not personally like the game, can you move on now? Seriously?
Your tirade against the people that enjoy the game, and the game itself are just getting a little old. I don't think you have anything more to "prove" let alone gain from trolling the TR boards. People outright will try the game, and they will decide on their own whether or not it suits them. Its obviously not everyone is going to like it, but there are far more than the few voices I have heard here spilling out poison.
Move on so the rest of us who have valid questions, or those currently playing, can have a genuine discussion concerning the game can do so in peace.
First off, no one asked you to read any of my posts use the ignore feature and do not try to dictate what other people do on public gaming forums.
Start your own forum if you want to control the content.
Secondly, I have not hijacked ANY threads by people asking questions about the game.
I will continue to offer my opinions as long as I feel like doing so.
You got that ?
First off, no one asked you to read any of my posts use the ignore feature and do not try to dictate what other people do on public gaming forums.
Start your own forum if you want to control the content.
Secondly, I have not hijacked ANY threads by people asking questions about the game.
I will continue to offer my opinions as long as I feel like doing so.
You got that ?
Only thing you mentioned that made any sense to me.... was to use the ignore feature. The rest was a waste personally as it offered yet once again, nothing useful or informative to the TR community.Just a friendly suggestion... don't bother replying, I won't see it.
Try talking about the game.
Try talking about the game.
I have a 24 year old son that will get along well with your wife/girlfriend .
Again, nothing about the game just childish comments designed to bolster your ego.
Feel free to take more cheap shots, it only helps people see how desperate you fanboys are and how you have no leg to stand on.
If the above is all you've got to defend how great you think the game is then it's failure is predetermined.
Better get a bucket and start bailing, as of today your little fanboy boat is taking on water.
Ok man. You win
I am sorry that I said anything about you. It's all good. I'm also sorry that TR didn't end up being the game for you.
Souvec:
I see that you played Saga of Ryzom. The reason I bring this up is that you clearly like a game with some depth to it (to be cliche, a little meat on the bones). This puzzles me. I betaed TR, and found that the gameplay was pretty repetitious.
My question is, what about the release version of TR makes it stand out to you pesonally? I've been reading a good deal of negative hype about the shallowness of this game, and wanted to know your opinion. The game seemed to have some potential, but fell short in that regard (at least during Beta).
First off, no one asked you to read any of my posts use the ignore feature and do not try to dictate what other people do on public gaming forums.
Start your own forum if you want to control the content.
Secondly, I have not hijacked ANY threads by people asking questions about the game.
I will continue to offer my opinions as long as I feel like doing so.
You got that ?
Only thing you mentioned that made any sense to me.... was to use the ignore feature. The rest was a waste personally as it offered yet once again, nothing useful or informative to the TR community.Just a friendly suggestion... don't bother replying, I won't see it.
No loss to me, no one asked you to join the thread or ever view any of my comments.
Too bad you couldn't have just posted about how great the game is and tell everybody about all of it's wonderful features.
But I do understand, since the game is shallow trash there is very little you can say to defend it other than something to the effect of "This is awesome, I like to run and shoot, yay !!".
For people looking to buy a MMORPG that will create fond memories of years of enjoyment Tabula Rasa isn't going to do anything more than waste $50.00 of their hard earned money.
Lots of people played Ryzom, Anarchy Online, EvE, etc... without ever enjoying their depth.
Because said depth exists doesn't mean it has been explored.
But as you say, I would truly like to hear more opinions, with reasonable and factual arguments, as to why anyone would find the game deep enough to actually subscribe to it.
When, nameless, people say things like "radical changes" have been made since beta I have asked them to please list those "radical changes" and of course they go silent.
Same for those that say it has a deep and intricate story, ask them to define the depth of the story and they go silent.
I fear that those who are in love with the game are "consumers" who fall in love with a product based on it's hype, branding, packaging, whatever, and are the type of people that worship celebrity icons, eat regularly at fast food restaurants thinking it is good food, watch a lot of TV and follow the latest fad to hit the internet.
Lots of people played Ryzom, Anarchy Online, EvE, etc... without ever enjoying their depth.
Because said depth exists doesn't mean it has been explored.
But as you say, I would truly like to hear more opinions, with reasonable and factual arguments, as to why anyone would find the game deep enough to actually subscribe to it.
When, nameless, people say things like "radical changes" have been made since beta I have asked them to please list those "radical changes" and of course they go silent.
Same for those that say it has a deep and intricate story, ask them to define the depth of the story and they go silent.
I fear that those who are in love with the game are "consumers" who fall in love with a product based on it's hype, branding, packaging, whatever, and are the type of people that worship celebrity icons, eat regularly at fast food restaurants thinking it is good food, watch a lot of TV and follow the latest fad to hit the internet.
I concur wholeheartedly. I assumed that if one played a game such as Ryzom or Eve, they delved deep into the intricacies of these titles, because the game has the freedom to allow a subscriber to do so. Essentially, I feel that you if played either, you had a thirst for such a game style. (I don't mention AO here because I personally have not played it, and therefore cannot speak from experience).
As of this time, I don't want to drop 50 bucks of my money into a game unless I hear some points on why this game stands out among the rest (ignoring the fact that it's in a sci-fi setting). All I really wanted to hear was what this game brings to the table in terms of originality and replayability. TR, during beta, came off to me as shallow, and I too would like to hear about these "radical changes" made.
I tend to agree that it may be hype that is bringing about an intial euphoria pertaining to this title, but I suppose time will tell if that feeling was just a product of years of anticipation or something produced by substance.
Anybody who could shed light on these matters... I would personally be very thankful.
Lots of people played Ryzom, Anarchy Online, EvE, etc... without ever enjoying their depth.
Because said depth exists doesn't mean it has been explored.
But as you say, I would truly like to hear more opinions, with reasonable and factual arguments, as to why anyone would find the game deep enough to actually subscribe to it.
When, nameless, people say things like "radical changes" have been made since beta I have asked them to please list those "radical changes" and of course they go silent.
Same for those that say it has a deep and intricate story, ask them to define the depth of the story and they go silent.
I fear that those who are in love with the game are "consumers" who fall in love with a product based on it's hype, branding, packaging, whatever, and are the type of people that worship celebrity icons, eat regularly at fast food restaurants thinking it is good food, watch a lot of TV and follow the latest fad to hit the internet.
See, here's the thing though, that last statement is clearly wrong. I am in love with the game, having a blast. I don't fall in love with anything based on it's hype, i try things out and make up my own mind. I worship zero celbrity icons and watch about 3 hours of TV per month, total. I haven't eaten fast foods in years and wouldn't touch it at all. I am extremely healthy and fit, have a wonderful family and a beautiful house that i worked very hard to make my "home". I'm not big on fads nor do I get addicted or caught up in much of anything. I have some great hobbies, I work extremely hard (2 jobs, including my own successful business) but I work smart. I make a decent living and I invest in my families future.
I don't just give my money to anyone who i don;t feel deserves it. NC deserves it with TR. It's a great game and I have arrived at that opinion by playing it. It is loads of fun and everyone that I know that is playing it is loving it. I know of 11 people in my personal circle that play it and are really enjoying it. Here's the thing though, we usually don't share the same opinions about these mmorpgs. We tend to disagree about most of this stuff. But on this one we all agree, it's just a great game with a great amount of fun.
As hard as I work for my money, I certainly am not going to let anybody tell me what I should and should not spend it on. All of the name calling in the world isn't going to change the fact that we are having a ton fun in this game.
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I also played SoR for years. I bought it the day it launched and I played through the bankruptcy and hard times all the way up to R2 recently, before Nevrax lost it. i loved it! But I find TR to be just as deep, if not deeper, and a hell of a lot more fun.
Could you delve into what you like about this game?
Sure thing, although I have a feeling that some on here are just going to tell me that i am wrong for liking it... which like I said is like arguing religion.
See my recent thread on THE 100% FACTS. I have to head out of here for a little bit will be back to discuss later on. Of course, I need to play some TR too
Here are a few things I enjoyed about Ryzom.
As a personal preference, I have always been an advocate for skill based games. Games that offer the player a free-form non-linear experience where I can truly make my own choices. This is where is gets confusing as if you were to take that list and compiled it with my own preferences, why would I play a game like Tabula Rasa?
Let me explain.
I have played UO, EVE, Ryzom (as well as various other MMO's), and have enjoyed my time in each game world. It has been an accumulation of over 10 years worth of gaming in several genres including MMO's. But I'm not the same kid anymore as I was long ago. I'm now a father, married, 50+ hours and responsibilities that are far greater than any game. 10 years have gone by for me, and my attitude towards gaming has changes drastically with the arrival of my son. So what does all that have to do with TR, well quite a bit.
For me Tabula Rasa offers a unique experience that satisfies my personal needs in a reasonable time-frame I am now reduced to. Offering the best of two genres I enjoy, MMO and FPS, I am now able to get a taste of two games while in one sitting. The time I get to sit down and game is now filled with much more excitement, and I haven't found myself drooling over a keyboard waiting for a rare boss to spawn... for me there is always something interesting to do.
Overall TR stood out for me, as it fit my own personal needs. I enjoy a good FPS game, and I also enjoy teaming up with friends and seeing a character develop over time. TR in its current state offers that, and accompanied with a solid launch, decent playable graphics, and the outpost battles... I was sold. I hope to start up some roleplaying to help make this a three-sided affair, and since TR offers a "clean slate" the sky is open to the imagination.
Would I be playing TR if I was single, and had limited responsibilities? Most likely no since I would have time to play titles from both genres, geared and designed more towards each specific entity. This is my most honest opinion.