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SWG VS. BioWare's MMO
Deltawraith
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If LA has signed a contract with BioWare to produce a new Star Wars MMO you can Bet SWG will be shut down because as I read BY another poster on a different thread. that LA would be Stupid ( no better word) to have TWO MMO's running at the same time by two different companies about Star Wars they would be competing with themselves and if they want to bring people to the new one the only option is to sign an agreement with SOE to either get a certain number of subscribers or shut down SWG. So unless a contract like that has been signed chances are LA has not signed one with BioWare to produce a Star Wars MMO. I believe a lot of people want KOTOR online, personally I dont think we need another jedi epeen fest only in a different setting 1000 years before the movie. But my point is becareful what you read on the other websites Because BioWare actually coming out and saying its a Star Wars MMO is one thing, having an article on a not very well known game site saying that a "close source" said it was a Star Wars MMO is another. Think critically about what you read and also why are there no other speculations about what it might be? I doubt a mass effect MMO as mass effect hasnt even come out yet. there are many other things to look for and look for them all dont just start posting CONFIRMED and then say "...Welll......It could be.....See the article says 'Close Source'......"
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there is a better chance of SOE opening a pre cu server than bioware's new mmo being a LEC IP.
and yes i read the article .. its almost excatly the same one word for word asd the one that "leaked" a week after bioware austin opened.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
First of all, wow at yet another rumor based thread.
More importantly though, of all the reasons why Bioware's MMO wouldn't be a Star Wars MMO...I'm sorry, but as someone with 20 years in the business world I fail to see why "they wouldn't want two Star Wars MMO's"
they don't want to compete with....themselves? All the people may leave SWG...and join their other MMO?
LucasArts has absolutely nothing to lose from having 1 MMO or 10 MMO's based on their license if there's a finite number of SW MMO customers...guess what...they're still playing their game.
wtf part of my thread is rumor? if nothing else im trying to debunk all the rumors. and what MMO has ever had two of the same kind out running from two different companies? like i said think before you guys open your mouths.
"LA would be Stupid ( no better word) to have TWO MMO's running at the same time by two different companies about Star Wars they would be competing with themselves"
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Just spend a few words and explain to me how this would be stupid...or even detrimental...
p.s. Lineage 1...Lineage 2
Everquest 1...Everquest 2
City of Heroes....City of Villains
simple marketing. if you produce an item and sell it to a company for mass production under a contract, then sell the exact same thing to another company maybe slightly tweaked under another contract you would be competing with yourself. also SOE could Sue LA for doing so if they were still under a binding contract.
Vincenz ftw. But there is a lot more to it. Most arguments/thoughts have already been covered in the 'BioWare MMO FACTS' thread in the 'pub'. Some good reading and arguments for all sides of the debate in there.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
...really? Do you have a copy of SOE's contract with lucasarts? Because it would be the first developer in history who obtained sole rights to the intellectual property of the developer...
And as to this whole "competition" thing...
If there's 500,000 Star Wars MMO players in the world...what the hell does LucasArts care if 250,000 are playing KOTOR online and 250,000 are playing SWG??? They make the SAME MONEY.
In fact, if anything, by having two products published they have a better chance of increasing that total player number.
Most importantly though, for all of this...if anyone thinks that Bioware is going to develop a game that EA isn't going to publish they're insane. If anyone things LucasArts is going to let EA publish a Bioware developed SW MMO...they're equally crazy.
that I agree with. And no sadly I dont have a copy of the contract. All I was stating was the whole idea that it could be KOTOR was nothing more than complete rumor and speculation and that all these other post should stop (even though I know its not going to happen). I was putting in my .02 about a subject matter on a newer and fresh thread because quite frankly I dont want to read all however many pages there are on this matter already on the different threads. And if my Ideas About LA were wrong I apologize. however there is still no fact about this mystery MMO and thats all it is. Also I dont want this thread to become a speculation thread like so many of the others IF anyone has hard facts to contribute then do so.
Never underestimate the power of greed.
I don't like to speculate over things like this but I know if I were in charge of LEC I wouldn't be satisfied with an approximate 100K subs for an MMO with Star Wars in it's title. Particularily with a 4 year old game, I just don't see it becoming a blockbuster anytime soon.
If Bioware has been working secretly on this project as some seem to believe then I can see a 2009 release to co-incide with the Star Wars TV series.
Someone care to explain me why it would be unwise to LA have 2 SW mmorpgs around? For all i know they just own the license and take slice of the profit and have no part in paying the upkeep of the servers ?
Again though Suv, you have to look at the whole "Developer/Publisher" relationship and then try and fit all those pieces together.
if Wizards of the Coast, for example, had a publishing division...Atari wouldn't be TOUCHING that license. They don't though, so Atari handles it, that's their gig.
In this case, Lucas does
Now, assuming EA bought Bioware to act as publisher for all their developments (which they did)...where would Lucasarts fit in? Certainly they're not going to sell their license for Star Wars to EA for the project, a la Wizards and Atari...so one of them would get cut out...and I can guarantee that EA isn't going to let LucasArts publish a product developed by their now-owned Bioware.
It's just not adding up to a Star Wars project anymore than a D&D one.
If mars were made of cheese would it melt?
no its to far away from the sun. since water is frozen there that means its below freezing and cheese wouldn't melt.
Point successfully overlooked ..
lol. Do explain your point then because I'm a little confused about the mars/cheese connection.
LOL...I did get the point, but sadly the current situation would be more like if...
The Smalltown, Iowa Gazette ran a news story that someone close to NASA told them Mars was, in fact, made entirely of cheese.
The next day, the USA Today, New York Times, and Washington Post all ran headlines "MARS MADE OF CHEESE!"...only to then say in much smaller print "well, at least the Smalltown Iowa Gazette says so"
So sadly, this whole thing has real steam brought on by a bit of a ridiculous media storm.
p.s. Following that headline, I think we'd all be amazed at how many conversations people the next day at work were having about how much heat could Mars take before melting...and how many nacho chips could you cover with it if so...and if maybe there were jalapeno asteroids nearby.
AH I see, then well said.
Mr. Smedly knows business (as for managing games, that is another issue) and I doubt that he and with a legal advice would have let that slipped.
And that is why...
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SOE in no way shape or form locked on to any kind of rights to the IP that is Star Wars, MMO or not. If they did? I'd be astonished.
SOE decided to hook their wagon to LA to publish a guaranteed win, and although they blew it, I'm quite sure LA didn't provide them any kind of provisional guarantees of what else they'd do with their IP in the future.
Actually this doesnt even make sense. First off providing a star wars MMO was made twice ( published or created) ...it would be done by 2 companies as the OP said ( not gonna happen). Second, both Lineage and EQ series are made by the same company for each line respectively trying to maximize the profits or theyre own company by basically updating the current version of one of theyre best sellers. Third....COH and COV while stand alone versions are basically the same game going hand in hand with each other, also maximizing profits for theyre respective company.
But yeah, I dont see it being stupid or detrimental to Lucas Arts at all. It would certainly generate more money thatn the current game is.
If SOE has no rights to the IP for an MMO which they probably dont. Matter of fact If LA met with SOE beforehand, they would probably both agree ti was time to move on from this disaster. And its about time for a new version of a Star Wars MMO anyway.
But realistically I dont see Bioware doing it right now. But my guess is as good as anyone elses cause I dotn know shit, lol.
If bioware were to make an mmo based off knights of the old republic, there would be no IP issues, as knights of the old republic is a bioware ip, star wars galaxy is a sony ip.
SWG is a failed game, i wouldnt be suprised if bioware made KOTOR online and simply released it, SWG needs to die anyway.
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um...no...it's not.
But thats the point. you cant just release a game, many other things would have to happen before then between LA, SOE, and EA. and those things arent going to happen anytime soon so to say for sure its one thing is just speculation, especially when its a threesome of large companies. the "KOTOR" rumor is just that and nothing more than media hype as stated before. truth is no one knows what their MMO is going to be. but if you look at the facts 90% sure its not going to be Star Wars. But I could be totally wrong and if I am I'll make the promise that I won't be playing it.
um...no...it's not.
yea didnt obsidian or something another make KOTOR2?