But thats the point. you cant just release a game, many other things would have to happen before then between LA, SOE, and EA. and those things arent going to happen anytime soon so to say for sure its one thing is just speculation, especially when its a threesome of large companies. the "KOTOR" rumor is just that and nothing more than media hype as stated before. truth is no one knows what their MMO is going to be. but if you look at the facts 90% sure its not going to be Star Wars. But I could be totally wrong and if I am I'll make the promise that I won't be playing it.
According to EA, the MMO that BioWare is working on is one of the main reasons for their purchase. Is it to hard to believe that they may have already worked out all the kinks in publishing a KOTOR MMO during the process of the purchase?
There's plenty of ways for this to work out in favor or against a KOTOR MMO. And to be honest, I don't think the facts really point to it being or not being KOTOR. Basically because the facts about the game are pretty few and far between.
According to EA, the MMO that BioWare is working on is one of the main reasons for their purchase. Is it to hard to believe that they may have already worked out all the kinks in publishing a KOTOR MMO during the process of the purchase?
There's plenty of ways for this to work out in favor or against a KOTOR MMO. And to be honest, I don't think the facts really point to it being or not being KOTOR. Basically because the facts about the game are pretty few and far between.
Again Jag...the facts do point. Just not in the direction people want. EA owns Bioware. EA will act as publisher for all Bioware products. LucasArts has acted as at least publisher, if not developer and publisher, for every Star Wars game to date. Why...in the world...would EA be interested in Bioware developing a LucasArts published game...or would LucasArts be interested in a Bioware developed and EA published game?
The answer is, they wouldn't. There's just too many chefs in the kitchen now, after the EA buyout of Bioware, and LucasArts...being financial partner of neither...would be the chef to get the boot.
SWG is dead and has been for some time now with no chance of revival.
If Bioware do make a star wars based mmo it will dominate over all other sci fi mmos. of the few out there and the few coming (EVE, STO, Stargate, TR, etc) I think SWG is the least of their worries as it couldnt compete against any of those games.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
SWG is dead and has been for some time now with no chance of revival.
If Bioware do make a star wars based mmo it will dominate over all other sci fi mmos. of the few out there and the few coming (EVE, STO, Stargate, TR, etc) I think SWG is the least of their worries as it couldnt compete against any of those games.
...the title maybe misleading. it isnt actually about SWG and KOTOR its about the companies involved. and yes I know SWG is dead I was there when it happened the very day Pub 9-10 was released the day the CU came out and the day the NGE final nail in the coffin happened I was there for all of it but that is besides the point.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Competeing with themselves? It would be a blessing for LA to do this. They would have the customers that are happy with the ruined SWGs and they would gain back the old customers that left SWGs. Its a win, win situation for LA.
Competeing with themselves? It would be a blessing for LA to do this. They would have the customers that are happy with the ruined SWGs and they would gain back the old customers that left SWGs. Its a win, win situation for LA.
also something I mis stated earlier it would be LA signing contracts with both EA and SOE which isnt going to happen, it wouldnt be LA competing with itself it would be those 2 companies sharing an IP. which will never happen.
and yes when I wrote this it was out of anger of the speculation threads so my initial post and title to the thread are a little misleading but if you read the whole thread and whats been stated so far I believe we are having a nice Civil debate about these companies. again I apologize for my misleading original post and title but the rest of the thread does have what I was originally trying to achieve in it.
it ( as many have said) comes down to LEC being the sole publisher of all SW games ... EA is a publisher of games as well , for bioware to release a sw IP game either LEC or EA would have to back off as there is no chance of both sharing the money as publisher ( LEC wont give anyone pub rights to SW IP and never have , ever ) and EA isnt going to release a game where they get none of the publishing money ( about half made by the game)
not going to happen , its like having Ford Motors sponsoring a Honda race team.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
According to EA, the MMO that BioWare is working on is one of the main reasons for their purchase. Is it to hard to believe that they may have already worked out all the kinks in publishing a KOTOR MMO during the process of the purchase?
There's plenty of ways for this to work out in favor or against a KOTOR MMO. And to be honest, I don't think the facts really point to it being or not being KOTOR. Basically because the facts about the game are pretty few and far between.
Again Jag...the facts do point. Just not in the direction people want. EA owns Bioware. EA will act as publisher for all Bioware products. LucasArts has acted as at least publisher, if not developer and publisher, for every Star Wars game to date. Why...in the world...would EA be interested in Bioware developing a LucasArts published game...or would LucasArts be interested in a Bioware developed and EA published game?
The answer is, they wouldn't. There's just too many chefs in the kitchen now, after the EA buyout of Bioware, and LucasArts...being financial partner of neither...would be the chef to get the boot.
That's not fact though. You can't possibly know what kind of deal could have been worked out. There's a lot of creative ways to structure a deal.
My point is that the only facts we really know are that BioWare is working on an MMO and that it isn't based on one or their original IPs.
Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping for a KOTOR MMO. But honestly, I'm interested in what ever BioWare brings to the MMO table.
yes there are alot of constructive and inventive ways to word deals in contracts etc. but the truth is EA and LA are both publishers and EA has just bought BioWare meaning that EA is sole publisher of BioWare games now. If you look at any Star Wars related idea/thing you will see Lucas himself keeps a very tight leash on his number one. and until he passes it on or sells it to some one else it will stay that way. and LA isnt going to just let some one else publish a Star Wars game.
George lucas needs to kick the bucket. Then his world can break free of the shackles of oppression, Wait, wait, wait... Ok we need to force him to finish Star wars episodes 7, 8, and 9 first then he can kick the bucket.
Sigh, 2 new post about STO just popped up and in both people are SPECULATING about the BioWare MMO being Star Wars IP. I seriously can not wait to see the reaction of all the speculators once the actual Title is announced.
*edit* yes and that is speculation that the speculators will be disappointed but I have more evidence on my side than they their's.
yes there are alot of constructive and inventive ways to word deals in contracts etc. but the truth is EA and LA are both publishers and EA has just bought BioWare meaning that EA is sole publisher of BioWare games now. If you look at any Star Wars related idea/thing you will see Lucas himself keeps a very tight leash on his number one. and until he passes it on or sells it to some one else it will stay that way. and LA isnt going to just let some one else publish a Star Wars game.
Why does it have to be LA that gives? What if EA was willing to take a lesser role in the production of the game? What if they're happy with the money they'll get from owning the company that developed it. Maybe they'll be the ones to host it?
You don't know and you keep acting as if you have some hard evidence to prove otherwise. Everything you're saying is just speculation on the other end of the spectrum.
Again, the only facts are that BioWare is developing an MMO and it isn't one of their original IPs.
why would they take the lesser role in this case? it would take millions of flat sales to recoup the cost of a MMO if you are not the publisher. The monthy fees will go to the publisher not the creator they only get a piece of the box sales. I cant see EA counting on a box to move 10-15 million copies just to recoup the production costs let alone hand out more cash to produce expansions.
it makes no sense for a business to do that.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Why does it have to be LA that gives? What if EA was willing to take a lesser role in the production of the game? What if they're happy with the money they'll get from owning the company that developed it. Maybe they'll be the ones to host it?
You don't know and you keep acting as if you have some hard evidence to prove otherwise. Everything you're saying is just speculation on the other end of the spectrum. Again, the only facts are that BioWare is developing an MMO and it isn't one of their original IPs.
Sorry man, you're REALLY reaching here. You think Atari is gonna let EA publish a Bioware developed D&D project??? Same thing here. If you really want to keep fooling yourself that LucasArts is going to do that...or that EA is going to do that...go for it. But when EA is sitting on properties that they OWN already, like Harry Potter, the idea that they'd take a backseat while LucasArts teamed up with a wholly owned subsidiary of theirs to publish and develop a game...well, it's just silly.
p.s. It'd be like Burger King allowing McDonald's to start selling Whoppers for a tiny percentage of the profits because..after all...they're still selling Whoppers. Forget the fact it's driving customers out of their own Drive Ins and into the competitors.
Why does it have to be LA that gives? What if EA was willing to take a lesser role in the production of the game? What if they're happy with the money they'll get from owning the company that developed it. Maybe they'll be the ones to host it?
You don't know and you keep acting as if you have some hard evidence to prove otherwise. Everything you're saying is just speculation on the other end of the spectrum. Again, the only facts are that BioWare is developing an MMO and it isn't one of their original IP's
EA isn't going to produce anything they would publish it. But you are right we have no idea were it could possibly turn up. I'm just saying more likely than not the MMO won't be a SW IP, due to the companies, but you are absolutely right I have no hard evidence other than knowledge of how publishing companies work with developers. Anything can and might happen, but I wouldn't start getting overly hyped about a new SW MMO published by 2 companies and produced by one of the publishers newly owned developing center. and for all we know in 2005 when BioWare said they started working on a MMO it could have very well been KOTOR, but now that EA is in the picture we may just see a new Sci-Fi based MMO or something completely different, who is to say. No one has facts one way or the other we on this thread though were merely trying to state that the given circumstances with EA and LA both being publishers and LA already having a SW IP out with SOE, and EA owning BioWare that the MMO will more than likely not be a SW IP. So I apologize again for my mistakes and mis leadings but if this still doesn't satisfy please feel free to reply.
why would they take the lesser role in this case? it would take millions of flat sales to recoup the cost of a MMO if you are not the publisher. The monthy fees will go to the publisher not the creator they only get a piece of the box sales. I cant see EA counting on a box to move 10-15 million copies just to recoup the production costs let alone hand out more cash to produce expansions. it makes no sense for a business to do that.
Since when do the monthly fees go to the publisher? SOE has some sort of control of SWGs monthly fees, which is why they were able to roll it into the Station Pass. And where are you getting that they would have to move 10-15 million copies of the game to recoup their costs? Do you know their costs? Didn't think so.
You guys have to stop tossing things around like fact. You don't know how the deal is or could be structured. Both companies stand to make a lot of money off a KOTOR MMO. SWG did fairly well for itself in the beginning, and that was before WoW really put MMOs on the map with a wider range of gamers.
Why does it have to be LA that gives? What if EA was willing to take a lesser role in the production of the game? What if they're happy with the money they'll get from owning the company that developed it. Maybe they'll be the ones to host it?
You don't know and you keep acting as if you have some hard evidence to prove otherwise. Everything you're saying is just speculation on the other end of the spectrum. Again, the only facts are that BioWare is developing an MMO and it isn't one of their original IP's
EA isn't going to produce anything they would publish it. But you are right we have no idea were it could possibly turn up. I'm just saying more likely than not the MMO won't be a SW IP, due to the companies, but you are absolutely right I have no hard evidence other than knowledge of how publishing companies work with developers. Anything can and might happen, but I wouldn't start getting overly hyped about a new SW MMO published by 2 companies and produced by one of the publishers newly owned developing center. and for all we know in 2005 when BioWare said they started working on a MMO it could have very well been KOTOR, but now that EA is in the picture we may just see a new Sci-Fi based MMO or something completely different, who is to say. No one has facts one way or the other we on this thread though were merely trying to state that the given circumstances with EA and LA both being publishers and LA already having a SW IP out with SOE, and EA owning BioWare that the MMO will more than likely not be a SW IP. So I apologize again for my mistakes and mis leadings but if this still doesn't satisfy please feel free to reply.
I get what you're saying completely. And I know that it's some what of a reach that it's going to be a KOTOR MMO, but stranger things have happened.
Remember when movies only had one production company. Everything was either Paramount or Tri Star or one of the other big companies. And suddenly the expenses for movies got so big that they figured it was better to share the costs and share the rewards.
Don't be surprised of video games go the same route. It's certainly not impossible.
dude they only make % of the box sales it would take millions of boxes prolly not 10-15 as that was an unscientific number ( never claimed it wasnt you just assumed cant blame me for that one ) .
rolling it into station pass is how sony increased the small small money they get off subs .. by now getting a peice of all games on the station pass. Yoyu dont bundle a game in when you are making good money off your cut , you bundle it in cause your not making enought to support it anymore.
Rolling it into the station pass lends more evidence to prove that they didnt make but pennies of a monthy sub fee than saying they got a large chunk of it. most of it goes to LEC. by linking it to station SWG now gets its small piece of that swg fee and every other fee paid for a station pass.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
I get what you're saying completely. And I know that it's some what of a reach that it's going to be a KOTOR MMO, but stranger things have happened.
Remember when movies only had one production company. Everything was either Paramount or Tri Star or one of the other big companies. And suddenly the expenses for movies got so big that they figured it was better to share the costs and share the rewards. Don't be surprised of video games go the same route. It's certainly not impossible. Edit: My apologies for the double post.
However Movies also have sponsorships from companies like Coca-Cola etc. to raise money for their finished movie.
soe already said there was going to be a second star wars galaxies. swg2 look it up in interviews. soe ALSO has the rights reserved to ALL star wars mmos meaning if any star wars mmos were published itd have to be through them.
i wouldnt doubt it at all if bioware were the ones developing the new star wars mmo (kotor online anyone?)
SOE is the developer LA is still the publisher...... and I highly doubt SOE has full rights to take a SW IP to another publisher like EA.
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Yep, it's a LucasArts property that was licensed to both Bioware and Obsidian for 1 & 2 respectively with the condition of LA being publisher.
There's plenty of ways for this to work out in favor or against a KOTOR MMO. And to be honest, I don't think the facts really point to it being or not being KOTOR. Basically because the facts about the game are pretty few and far between.
Again Jag...the facts do point. Just not in the direction people want. EA owns Bioware. EA will act as publisher for all Bioware products. LucasArts has acted as at least publisher, if not developer and publisher, for every Star Wars game to date. Why...in the world...would EA be interested in Bioware developing a LucasArts published game...or would LucasArts be interested in a Bioware developed and EA published game?
The answer is, they wouldn't. There's just too many chefs in the kitchen now, after the EA buyout of Bioware, and LucasArts...being financial partner of neither...would be the chef to get the boot.
SWG is dead and has been for some time now with no chance of revival.
If Bioware do make a star wars based mmo it will dominate over all other sci fi mmos. of the few out there and the few coming (EVE, STO, Stargate, TR, etc) I think SWG is the least of their worries as it couldnt compete against any of those games.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
...the title maybe misleading. it isnt actually about SWG and KOTOR its about the companies involved. and yes I know SWG is dead I was there when it happened the very day Pub 9-10 was released the day the CU came out and the day the NGE final nail in the coffin happened I was there for all of it but that is besides the point.
Oh in that case.
I like cheese......
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
well apparently mars is purely cheese....
speaking of which..
Competeing with themselves? It would be a blessing for LA to do this. They would have the customers that are happy with the ruined SWGs and they would gain back the old customers that left SWGs. Its a win, win situation for LA.
also something I mis stated earlier it would be LA signing contracts with both EA and SOE which isnt going to happen, it wouldnt be LA competing with itself it would be those 2 companies sharing an IP. which will never happen.
and yes when I wrote this it was out of anger of the speculation threads so my initial post and title to the thread are a little misleading but if you read the whole thread and whats been stated so far I believe we are having a nice Civil debate about these companies. again I apologize for my misleading original post and title but the rest of the thread does have what I was originally trying to achieve in it.
it ( as many have said) comes down to LEC being the sole publisher of all SW games ... EA is a publisher of games as well , for bioware to release a sw IP game either LEC or EA would have to back off as there is no chance of both sharing the money as publisher ( LEC wont give anyone pub rights to SW IP and never have , ever ) and EA isnt going to release a game where they get none of the publishing money ( about half made by the game)
not going to happen , its like having Ford Motors sponsoring a Honda race team.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Again Jag...the facts do point. Just not in the direction people want. EA owns Bioware. EA will act as publisher for all Bioware products. LucasArts has acted as at least publisher, if not developer and publisher, for every Star Wars game to date. Why...in the world...would EA be interested in Bioware developing a LucasArts published game...or would LucasArts be interested in a Bioware developed and EA published game?
The answer is, they wouldn't. There's just too many chefs in the kitchen now, after the EA buyout of Bioware, and LucasArts...being financial partner of neither...would be the chef to get the boot.
That's not fact though. You can't possibly know what kind of deal could have been worked out. There's a lot of creative ways to structure a deal.
My point is that the only facts we really know are that BioWare is working on an MMO and that it isn't based on one or their original IPs.
Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping for a KOTOR MMO. But honestly, I'm interested in what ever BioWare brings to the MMO table.
yes there are alot of constructive and inventive ways to word deals in contracts etc. but the truth is EA and LA are both publishers and EA has just bought BioWare meaning that EA is sole publisher of BioWare games now. If you look at any Star Wars related idea/thing you will see Lucas himself keeps a very tight leash on his number one. and until he passes it on or sells it to some one else it will stay that way. and LA isnt going to just let some one else publish a Star Wars game.
George lucas needs to kick the bucket. Then his world can break free of the shackles of oppression, Wait, wait, wait... Ok we need to force him to finish Star wars episodes 7, 8, and 9 first then he can kick the bucket.
I know its off topic, but damn him.
Oh back to regularly scheduled rant.
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Sigh, 2 new post about STO just popped up and in both people are SPECULATING about the BioWare MMO being Star Wars IP. I seriously can not wait to see the reaction of all the speculators once the actual Title is announced.
*edit* yes and that is speculation that the speculators will be disappointed but I have more evidence on my side than they their's.
You don't know and you keep acting as if you have some hard evidence to prove otherwise. Everything you're saying is just speculation on the other end of the spectrum.
Again, the only facts are that BioWare is developing an MMO and it isn't one of their original IPs.
why would they take the lesser role in this case? it would take millions of flat sales to recoup the cost of a MMO if you are not the publisher. The monthy fees will go to the publisher not the creator they only get a piece of the box sales. I cant see EA counting on a box to move 10-15 million copies just to recoup the production costs let alone hand out more cash to produce expansions.
it makes no sense for a business to do that.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Sorry man, you're REALLY reaching here. You think Atari is gonna let EA publish a Bioware developed D&D project??? Same thing here. If you really want to keep fooling yourself that LucasArts is going to do that...or that EA is going to do that...go for it. But when EA is sitting on properties that they OWN already, like Harry Potter, the idea that they'd take a backseat while LucasArts teamed up with a wholly owned subsidiary of theirs to publish and develop a game...well, it's just silly.
p.s. It'd be like Burger King allowing McDonald's to start selling Whoppers for a tiny percentage of the profits because..after all...they're still selling Whoppers. Forget the fact it's driving customers out of their own Drive Ins and into the competitors.
EA isn't going to produce anything they would publish it. But you are right we have no idea were it could possibly turn up. I'm just saying more likely than not the MMO won't be a SW IP, due to the companies, but you are absolutely right I have no hard evidence other than knowledge of how publishing companies work with developers. Anything can and might happen, but I wouldn't start getting overly hyped about a new SW MMO published by 2 companies and produced by one of the publishers newly owned developing center. and for all we know in 2005 when BioWare said they started working on a MMO it could have very well been KOTOR, but now that EA is in the picture we may just see a new Sci-Fi based MMO or something completely different, who is to say. No one has facts one way or the other we on this thread though were merely trying to state that the given circumstances with EA and LA both being publishers and LA already having a SW IP out with SOE, and EA owning BioWare that the MMO will more than likely not be a SW IP. So I apologize again for my mistakes and mis leadings but if this still doesn't satisfy please feel free to reply.
You guys have to stop tossing things around like fact. You don't know how the deal is or could be structured. Both companies stand to make a lot of money off a KOTOR MMO. SWG did fairly well for itself in the beginning, and that was before WoW really put MMOs on the map with a wider range of gamers.
EA isn't going to produce anything they would publish it. But you are right we have no idea were it could possibly turn up. I'm just saying more likely than not the MMO won't be a SW IP, due to the companies, but you are absolutely right I have no hard evidence other than knowledge of how publishing companies work with developers. Anything can and might happen, but I wouldn't start getting overly hyped about a new SW MMO published by 2 companies and produced by one of the publishers newly owned developing center. and for all we know in 2005 when BioWare said they started working on a MMO it could have very well been KOTOR, but now that EA is in the picture we may just see a new Sci-Fi based MMO or something completely different, who is to say. No one has facts one way or the other we on this thread though were merely trying to state that the given circumstances with EA and LA both being publishers and LA already having a SW IP out with SOE, and EA owning BioWare that the MMO will more than likely not be a SW IP. So I apologize again for my mistakes and mis leadings but if this still doesn't satisfy please feel free to reply.
I get what you're saying completely. And I know that it's some what of a reach that it's going to be a KOTOR MMO, but stranger things have happened.
Remember when movies only had one production company. Everything was either Paramount or Tri Star or one of the other big companies. And suddenly the expenses for movies got so big that they figured it was better to share the costs and share the rewards.
Don't be surprised of video games go the same route. It's certainly not impossible.
Edit: My apologies for the double post.
dude they only make % of the box sales it would take millions of boxes prolly not 10-15 as that was an unscientific number ( never claimed it wasnt you just assumed cant blame me for that one ) .
rolling it into station pass is how sony increased the small small money they get off subs .. by now getting a peice of all games on the station pass. Yoyu dont bundle a game in when you are making good money off your cut , you bundle it in cause your not making enought to support it anymore.
Rolling it into the station pass lends more evidence to prove that they didnt make but pennies of a monthy sub fee than saying they got a large chunk of it. most of it goes to LEC. by linking it to station SWG now gets its small piece of that swg fee and every other fee paid for a station pass.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
However Movies also have sponsorships from companies like Coca-Cola etc. to raise money for their finished movie.
soe already said there was going to be a second star wars galaxies. swg2 look it up in interviews.
soe ALSO has the rights reserved to ALL star wars mmos meaning if any star wars mmos were published itd have to be through them.
i wouldnt doubt it at all if bioware were the ones developing the new star wars mmo (kotor online anyone?)
SOE is the developer LA is still the publisher...... and I highly doubt SOE has full rights to take a SW IP to another publisher like EA.