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Dev Journal #16 Very nice

snoopy20snoopy20 Member Posts: 85

Currently playing: Planetside, Americas Army.


Praying to Zeus for: Darkfall.

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  • Xion187Xion187 Member Posts: 141

    seems there polshing it up for beta dont know what tot hink about the protals until beta starts so ig uess we have to wait and see

  • daarcodaarco Member UncommonPosts: 4,276

    And most people dont want the developers to polish the games before beta?

    I think its a good thing they are aiming for a complete game when beta begins. Even if it takes time.

  • IijsIijs Member Posts: 457

    "On top of all that, we're having a hell of a time getting some positions filled."

    Translation: "We're having a hell of a time convincing people to work for peanuts on a game that will, in all probability, turn out to be vaporware. But I digress."

     

     

  • QuestionableQuestionable Member Posts: 653

    Originally posted by daarco


    And most people dont want the developers to polish the games before beta?
    I think its a good thing they are aiming for a complete game when beta begins. Even if it takes time.

    Yea its hard to come back to a game when it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Not to mention the increased costs and time.

  • mcrippinsmcrippins Member RarePosts: 1,642
    Originally posted by Iijs



    "On top of all that, we're having a hell of a time getting some positions filled."
    Translation: "We're having a hell of a time convincing people to work for peanuts on a game that will, in all probability, turn out to be vaporware. But I digress."
     
     



    Not that I think for a moment that you have a clue about how these people are funded, but I think you missed the point on what he said entirely. Example: You work for a small company, and the people are close and work well together. You dont just hire some random person with the best resume because of their skills.. you make sure they will fit in with the group of people you already work with. So now youre trying to match 2 types of criteria. The fact that you still think this game is vaporware, is pretty dumb on its own. Not to mention, the experience of working on this game alone is worth more than a decent salary imo.

  • Should see some news of beta by end of november or december hopefully.

  • Xion187Xion187 Member Posts: 141

    yea we should but well they dont announce it there fine tunning things xD

  • lancehead1lancehead1 Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by Iijs



    "On top of all that, we're having a hell of a time getting some positions filled."
    Translation: "We're having a hell of a time convincing people to work for peanuts on a game that will, in all probability, turn out to be vaporware. But I digress."
     
     

     

    They're having a hard time filling positions because no one wants to work on a game that will undoubtabley be a failure if it is ever released and have it on their resumes. Not to mention move all the way to Greece.. I am surprised they even have a team working at all there.

    I don't see how this game is ever going to be able to compete in todays MMO market anymore against games like War and Conan...  Not to mention things like the new WoW expansion and the countless other mmorpg's coming down the pipe.  The masses are going to be playing these games and if darkfall isn't at least as good , they won't give it a second thought. And like it or not , they NEED the masses playing to make any money... A few hundred fanboys isn't going to cut it.

    You can tell these people are just dreading the "BETA".  They themselves have said they're not looking forward to a long beta. Want to know why?  Because they know as soon as they put that beta up it's going to be compared to all the games out there right now and coming out and if it isn't as good then it will completely cripple the entire project and it will most likely get canned. It just happened with Gods and Heroes.

    Before Dark and Light showed SoG they had 1,000+ people browsing their forums. After SoG they had about 10....

    It can all crash and burn REAL FAST when it comes to showing what you REALLY have and not what people have been playing in their heads.

    Seems good that they're polishing stuff but what exactly are they polishing???  They haven't even shown any of the major features of this game yet.  I don't think I've ever even seen a single siege engine model in a screenshot let alone in a video.....    The screenshots in this journal are just landscape shots and a few models standing around and don't match up to anything they said that they are polishing up in the journal.

    It's getting do or die time for Darkfall. Lets see if it does or doesn't.............

  • 0k210k21 Member Posts: 866

    It's amazing people don't wonder why games like World of Warcraft and Everquest 2 aren't as appreciated as they could be, the main problem is because the developers FIRST start off building amazing looking cinematic trailers that take months and months to finish then by the time they get to the actual game they clearly just don't have enough time to get it the way they want, I'm guessing around beta release is when they're going to release some videos but otherwise I suggest taking whatever sharp thing you have stuck up your asses really, though then again, your going to go against them either way probably. As for other 'MMORPGs' they don't even have half of the features that are being promised by adventurine, heck they're not even skill based or twitch based so why the heck is everyone who's playing the mainstream crap going to come here? Go do some research, seriously, the arguments from the vaporware trolls are really starting to lack here.

    Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.

  • lancehead1lancehead1 Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by 0k21


    why the heck is everyone who's playing the mainstream crap going to come here?



    You better hope they do. Unless you like playing games by yourself and the company who made the game likes not making any money.

    Business 101 .. A product not making money is a product not worthy of supporting.

  • 0k210k21 Member Posts: 866

    Sorry but in case you didn't realize, the portion of MMORPG players themselves are nothing compared to the actual games industry and the entire world, that's not really a sound argument. Pre-Cu SWG had similar gameplay in that it used skills rather than levels, it was going to well over a hundred thousand subs until it got axed by SOE but there never really was a clear reason as to why.

    Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.

  • lancehead1lancehead1 Member Posts: 75

    Aventurine is not Sony Online Entertainment which had what was once the largest MMORPG in the world and countless other games that make them able to market their products instantly to millions of potential players.

    On the other hand Aventurine has a forum database with probably 50% of it being old outdated emails at their disposal to market to.

    If you really think that darkfall will have anywhere even near 100,000 subs you need to wake up because that won't ever happen.

    Darkfall would be very LUCKY to even see 10,000 active subs in todays mmo market.

  • 0k210k21 Member Posts: 866

    Why don't you try actually arguing your points instead of just saying "Wake up because that won't ever happen"? All your doing is just saying the same thing and that goes for all the trolls on this board, try doing some research, adventurine gets it's funding from various resources such as simulations it's made from the Greek Military and investors, just accept it, because unless your going to actually put forward an argument your words will not change the minds of people at all, there are about 40k forum members registered to Darkfall right now, if even half of them are still active I'm pretty certain Darkfall will be on it's way to a reasonable start.

    Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.

  • snoopy20snoopy20 Member Posts: 85

    Originally posted by lancehead1


    Aventurine is not Sony Online Entertainment which had what was once the largest MMORPG in the world and countless other games that make them able to market their products instantly to millions of potential players.
    On the other hand Aventurine has a forum database with probably 50% of it being old outdated emails at their disposal to market to.
    If you really think that darkfall will have anywhere even near 100,000 subs you need to wake up because that won't ever happen.
    Darkfall would be very LUCKY to even see 10,000 active subs in todays mmo market.

     

    Are you joking? Maybe not near 100,000. But alone, taking all the frustrated ex UO players, and others sick of Dumbed down extra ordinary linear game play. And maybe those people who paid for TR and are kicking themselves (hehe). That there will be 10,000+. I definitely think that combining those players and those who want a change of game play, or like the sound of a non-linear experience, will combine to be much more than 10,000. But in the end it doesn't really matter, we all like different things.

    Currently playing: Planetside, Americas Army.


    Praying to Zeus for: Darkfall.

  • lancehead1lancehead1 Member Posts: 75

     

    Originally posted by 0k21


    Why don't you try actually arguing your points instead of just saying "Wake up because that won't ever happen"? All your doing is just saying the same thing and that goes for all the trolls on this board, try doing some research, adventurine gets it's funding from various resources such as simulations it's made from the Greek Military and investors, just accept it, because unless your going to actually put forward an argument your words will not change the minds of people at all, there are about 40k forum members registered to Darkfall right now, if even half of them are still active I'm pretty certain Darkfall will be on it's way to a reasonable start.

     

    I think you should start taking some of your own advice and start backing up YOUR claims with some actual PROOF for a change but you can't so you just take what they feed you as fact and then get mad when everyone calls it was it is - Vague Bullshit.

    Worked for the military?   Where is the proof they worked for any military?  There isn't any. ZERO ZILCH NADDA.   Simulations? Where are the simulations they made? What are they called?   Investors??  Who are the investors?  None of these questions can be answered so for you to use them in an argument in favor of darkfall is pretty retarded.

     

    Snoopy - No I am not joking. You're underestimating how hard it is to get people to PAY to play a mmorpg these days. This isn't the days of EQ1 and AC1 where all you needed was a mmorpg and you would have flocks of players. There are LOTS more options around now. And lots of high quality options. There are even many quality FREE options to play.

    Darkfall isn't anything special like many people constantly make it out to be in terms of it's gameplay and feature list. It's basically a Shadowbane clone with a few extra bells and whistles thrown in.  Actually it's not really anything at this point because they have yet to prove that about 90% of their intended features list even exists in game...

  • TedDansonTedDanson Member Posts: 513

    The landscapes look alright, but the character models look like they walked out of Norrath circa 1999.

    I mean seriously, did anyone look at that orc's face? It is ridiculous.....and they don't even show the front of any of the other races in the screens so I think it is safe to assume that they are even worse.

    **Edit** After looking through more of the screenies I saw that they actually DO have some frontal shots of the other races, and they are equally crappy looking. I also noticed that in the one of the guys fighting the flesh golem they were all in the same armor and all had the same weapon...

  • is.lander.12is.lander.12 Member Posts: 40

    Originally posted by lancehead1


     
    Originally posted by 0k21


    Why don't you try actually arguing your points instead of just saying "Wake up because that won't ever happen"? All your doing is just saying the same thing and that goes for all the trolls on this board, try doing some research, adventurine gets it's funding from various resources such as simulations it's made from the Greek Military and investors, just accept it, because unless your going to actually put forward an argument your words will not change the minds of people at all, there are about 40k forum members registered to Darkfall right now, if even half of them are still active I'm pretty certain Darkfall will be on it's way to a reasonable start.

     

    I think you should start taking some of your own advice and start backing up YOUR claims with some actual PROOF for a change but you can't so you just take what they feed you as fact and then get mad when everyone calls it was it is - Vague Bullshit.

    Worked for the military?   Where is the proof they worked for any military?  There isn't any. ZERO ZILCH NADDA.   Simulations? Where are the simulations they made? What are they called?   Investors??  Who are the investors?  None of these questions can be answered so for you to use them in an argument in favor of darkfall is pretty retarded.

     

    Snoopy - No I am not joking. You're underestimating how hard it is to get people to PAY to play a mmorpg these days. This isn't the days of EQ1 and AC1 where all you needed was a mmorpg and you would have flocks of players. There are LOTS more options around now. And lots of high quality options. There are even many quality FREE options to play.

    Darkfall isn't anything special like many people constantly make it out to be in terms of it's gameplay and feature list. It's basically a Shadowbane clone with a few extra bells and whistles thrown in.  Actually it's not really anything at this point because they have yet to prove that about 90% of their intended features list even exists in game...

    back with a NEW ID...

    welcome back !

     

  • QuestionableQuestionable Member Posts: 653
    Originally posted by lancehead1


     
     
    I think you should start taking some of your own advice and start backing up YOUR claims with some actual PROOF for a change but you can't so you just take what they feed you as fact and then get mad when everyone calls it was it is - Vague Bullshit.
    Worked for the military?   Where is the proof they worked for any military?
    Lets start with this. What on earth makes you think that the military(Which is part of the government) will allow them to show what they do for them? Hmm? According to this: http://www.epicos.com/epicos/portal/media-type/html/role/user/page/default.psml/js_panename/Business+Directory+Article+View?articleid=11489&showfull=false they do work in related to Aerospace & Defense. Now its your word up against theirs.
    There isn't any. ZERO ZILCH NADDA.   Simulations? Where are the simulations they made?
    Once again these were for the government and don't be so stupid as to think that they would let the world see what their training their men with. Governments like to keep things underwraps.
    What are they called?   Investors??  Who are the investors?  None of these questions can be answered so for you to use them in an argument in favor of darkfall is pretty retarded.
    From what is told http://www.jacolimited.com/ is one of their investors seeing as how they have ties with Aventurine.
    Snoopy - No I am not joking. You're underestimating how hard it is to get people to PAY to play a mmorpg these days. This isn't the days of EQ1 and AC1 where all you needed was a mmorpg and you would have flocks of players. There are LOTS more options around now. And lots of high quality options. There are even many quality FREE options to play.
    Yes the options are so varied. Grind this or that.
    Darkfall isn't anything special like many people constantly make it out to be in terms of it's gameplay and feature list. It's basically a Shadowbane clone with a few extra bells and whistles thrown in.  Actually it's not really anything at this point because they have yet to prove that about 90% of their intended features list even exists in game...
    Just goes to show how much you really understand.

     

  • lancehead1lancehead1 Member Posts: 75

     

     

     

  • QuestionableQuestionable Member Posts: 653

     

    Originally posted by lancehead1


    Oh wow some web directory on the inrernet has them listed them as doing work fo the military.. convinced me.. 

     

    Oh some guy who knows nothing about Aventurine's ties and transactions says its lies. Sorry I'll believe that website over some person who knows nothing about Aventurine and says its all lies. So until you get some actual PROOF to back up these claims of yours no one is going to believe you especially when there is proof showing the opposite.

  • TedDansonTedDanson Member Posts: 513
    Originally posted by Questionable


    Perhaps I'm missing something but they really don't look bad to me at all.
    http://df.warcry.com/images/gallery/120
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21212
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21213
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21209
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21192
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21194
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21207



    The armor all looks ok, but jesus the faces and hair, and actually the dwarf town itself, seriously look like they belong in 1999

  • GormandYGormandY Member Posts: 411

    The journal made me smile! Yay! Cant wait for Darkfall really. Looks soo good.

  • QuestionableQuestionable Member Posts: 653

     

    Originally posted by TedDanson

    Originally posted by Questionable


    Perhaps I'm missing something but they really don't look bad to me at all.
    http://df.warcry.com/images/gallery/120
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21212
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21213
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21209
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21192
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21194
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21207



    The armor all looks ok, but jesus the faces and hair, and actually the dwarf town itself, seriously look like they belong in 1999

     

    I dont think they look as bad as this. Though their art isn't the best it really isnt all too bad.

    Edit: I'm guessing they went through a small graphical update because some of these newer pics look better than the eariler ones in 2007.(espically that ork one).

  • GormandYGormandY Member Posts: 411

    Originally posted by Questionable


     
    Originally posted by TedDanson

    Originally posted by Questionable


    Perhaps I'm missing something but they really don't look bad to me at all.
    http://df.warcry.com/images/gallery/120
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21212
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21213
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21209
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21192
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21194
    http://df.warcry.com/images/view/21207



    The armor all looks ok, but jesus the faces and hair, and actually the dwarf town itself, seriously look like they belong in 1999

     

    I dont think they look as bad as this. Though their art isn't the best it really isnt all too bad.

    ROFLMFAO ! What game is that? Jeez looks silly.

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