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Some info on the Bioware MMO graphics etc.
dA_fReAK
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Well nothing new, but to those who're interested:
I was just looking around their site and looking at the videos, this engine is really impressive.
Also, this is not just some rumor. This HAS been confirmed, even on the Hero Engine homepage it says:
"At BioWare we selected HeroEngine because it had the most sophisticated and complete development tools available for building an amazing online experience. Our team wanted a great rapid prototyping environment and to work with experienced MMO developers. HeroEngine from Simutronics is a perfect fit for BioWare Austin's requirements."Gordon Walton,
Co-Studio Director of BioWare Austin
Interesting, isnt it?
Atleast we know what ever the MMO is... its going to be good looking 
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Oddly enough, the way they designed the worlds and the way they placed the items on to the scenery looks remarkably similar to the way I would set up scenes in 3D studio max when I was taking computer animation classes.... neat
Interesting, isnt it?
Atleast we know what ever the MMO is... its going to be good looking
that's cool as hell...
I really think this is going to be so much better than SWG...and to me, that's saying a lot! I loved almost everything about pre-CU SWG. I know we don't have all the information yet, but I have faith that Lucas Arts and BioWare have seen the mistakes SOE has made and will not follow the same path. I feel this could be the STARWARS game we have always wanted!
If this isn't the one...I fear I will stop playing MMORPGs all together.
Anyone know of a game that has been made using the HeroEngine
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I'm not 100% certain but I think Elder Scrolls: Oblivion was made with the "Hero" engine.
Wow, that would kick ass if it was...I'll look into it, shouldn't be too difficult. Elder Scrolls was a beautiful game, graphics-wise.
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Oblivion actually used Gamebryo, the engine WAR is using.
Oblivion actually used Gamebryo, the engine WAR is using.
Heh, I was just about to write this on what I just read...oh well....so back to my original question. What games have been made using the HeroEngine?I wish the HeroEngine website had some examples, but they don't
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Oblivion actually used Gamebryo, the engine WAR is using.
Yeah I just found that too lol. As far as I can tell any examples of this engine are hard to come by. Not too long ago I found another sweet game engine made but I'll have to dig it up to remember what it was... It was amazing for ground combat.
I just found it a game made with the HeroEngine and you're probably not going to like it.
Shadowbane was made using the HeroEngine
Knowing Bioware they will make it an awesome game no matter how bad the guys at Stray Bullet did with Shadowbane.
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A Better Way to Build an MMO
HeroEngine is an MMO development team's dream come true -- it streamlines the entire process of building your MMO game. Artists, world builders, scripters, game designers, producers, and customer service can all collaborate live, online, in real-time. Create and update your game faster, with more time to focus on the fun rather than waiting for code to crunch. Build the game and play it at the same time to see instant results.
HeroEngine Advantages
Live Collaborative Development -- From one or many geographic locations – everyone works online, live on the server so you can share your work instantly.
No Nightly Builds -- Create your game in real-time and get instant feedback on your work.
No Assumptions or Restrictions -- HeroEngine lets you build your game in your own style and we provide the core technology so you don't need to reinvent it.
Full Access to the Hero's Journey® Reference -- A full game's worth of code you can use as expert examples.
Integrated World-Class Middleware -- SpeedTree®, Granny 3D, dPVS, FaceGen, StreamBase®, Scaleform GFx®, and more world-class tools and support.
i think thats the reference
Never played Shadowbane. Go to Youtube and enter "Project Offset" and look at that engine. They're using it for a FPS.
Shadowbane actually looks like a crappy graphical version of SWG... Yikes.
Haha, I read this but it didn't take. Anyways, the graphics looks dated for Hero's Journey, might Bioware use a different engine for graphics? I don't know much about Hero's Journey either, was it a stable game with the Hero's Engine?
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actually since a few minutes ago, i didnt even know about a game cvalled hero's journey,lol
im going to download the shadowbane one, it is free, and maybe it is worth the try, we are plenty of time till aoc or kotor online releases,lol
later
Shadowbane was not made using the HeroEngine, especially since Shadowbane began development before that engine was made - it was made using the Arcane engine. It is, I believe, a proprietary engine and was already fairly outdated when Shadowbane was released in 2003. I followed Shadowbane through development and got it at release and still remember Wolfpack Studios bragging about the Arcane engine, when it is really quite crappy.
Stray Bullet Games, the current owner of Shadowbane, is, however, using the HeroEngine for a new MMOG, which may explain the confusion.
Anyway, you will be hard pressed to find good examples of the Hero Engine. It is relatively new and obscure, and has a narrow audience. It was made almost solely for MMORPG development, and must compete with more proven technologies like the Unreal engine and Gamebryo, as well as in-house solutions.
Shadowbane was not made using the HeroEngine, especially since Shadowbane began development before that engine was made - it was made using the Arcane engine. It is, I believe, a proprietary engine and was already fairly outdated when Shadowbane was released in 2003. I followed Shadowbane through development and got it at release and still remember Wolfpack Studios bragging about the Arcane engine, when it is really quite crappy.
Stray Bullet Games, the current owner of Shadowbane, is, however, using the HeroEngine for a new MMOG, which may explain the confusion.
Anyway, you will be hard pressed to find good examples of the Hero Engine. It is relatively new and obscure, and has a narrow audience. It was made almost solely for MMORPG development, and must compete with more proven technologies like the Unreal engine and Gamebryo, as well as in-house solutions.
You're right, I did confuse Shadowbane and Stray Bullet. I was just reading through a bunch of webpages and skipped over a lot of details. Good catch though, it might have scared off a lot of people. The Gamebryo engine looks pretty sweet on Oblivion, but I can see why they didn't go that route, most MMO'ers out there don't have the needed machines to run a game with it.
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I'm in the crysis MP beta, so the hero engine graphics are going to look mediocre to me. It's be 10 years before MMO graphics rival SP.
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HeroEngine
The HeroEngine is so named because it was developed by Simutronics for Hero’s Journey. When Simutronics began Hero’s Journey six years ago, they did not find any engines available that met their needs. So they decided to develop their own. Along that journey, they realized that they had created an “Ultimate MMO Platform.” http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/899
Some screens taken from the internet of Hero's Journy
Hero's Journey is made with the HeroEngine. It looks decent if I look at the screenshot, I belive an decent engine is good for MMO. Else not everyone can play it ^^
BIOWARE CORP. LICENSES PERPETUAL ENTERTAINMENT'S ONLINE TECHNOLOGY PLATFORM FOR UPCOMING MMO GAME
SAN FRANCISCO, CA - July 19, 2007 - Perpetual Entertainment announced today that BioWare's Austin studio has licensed Perpetual's online technology platform for an upcoming Massively Multiplayer Online (MMO) title. The agreement gives BioWare the platform to deploy and support its online titles utilizing Perpetual's industry-leading technology for online game operations, deployment, infrastructure development and community support.
"We evaluated numerous technology solutions to serve as the service backbone of our first MMO title and feel Perpetual's online platform is the best fit," said Gordon Walton, Co-Studio Director of BioWare Austin. "The Perpetual team has years of experience building infrastructure and tools for online games and we are thrilled to be working with them."
"BioWare is one of the leading developers of AAA games in the world and we know they will find the Perpetual platform provides both the functionality and ease-of-use they are looking for to support their upcoming title," said Joseph Keene, Co-Chairman and CEO, Perpetual Entertainment, Inc. "With the Perpetual platform, BioWare's Austin studio can focus on making great games while minimizing the time and effort required to deploy and support their titles."
The Perpetual online platform provides a technology backbone of modules necessary to deploy and operate any modern online game, as well as a collection of in-game features and services. Incorporating tools for player management, billing, customer relationship management, game feature extension, load-balancing, lobby servicing, patching and community management, the Perpetual online platform gives developers and publishers the tools to bring the next generation of online games to market faster, and with lower technological and logistical restrictions.
11:40 AM ON THU JUL 19 2007
BY MIKE FAHEY
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About HeroEngine...
You should be aware that the engine is for compiling all the parts of the MMORPG quickly together, but all artistic/3D elements depend on what each developer creates. So basically, looking at those screenshots won't give much of a clue of what the Austin TX BioWare team's game will look like.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
I figured as much, I know the guys at Bioware are the best at what they do so I'm really not worried about the graphics. What I was more concerned about was the stability of the engine and what kind of effect can they pull off with it.
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Add this aswell
............maybe
And what former reply said, those screenshots ONLY show the game "Hero's Journey" and like he said this is no indication that BioWare's new MMO will look like it or might even totaly not resambles those shots and look completly different. So i have not posted it to show that Bioware's mmo will lokk like it but just someone asked if there are any screenshots of hte engine, and so i showed some of them
And what former reply said, those screenshots ONLY show the game "Hero's Journey" and like he said this is no indication that BioWare's new MMO will look like it or might even totaly not resambles those shots and look completly different. So i have not posted it to show that Bioware's mmo will lokk like it but just someone asked if there are any screenshots of hte engine, and so i showed some of them
this sounds amazing!
Morning,
like DeaconX said already:
Its not the brush making a good painter...
The Hero Engine is one of the main reason why Heros Journey was/is delayed: The engine developement took its time.
The engine is NOT a 3D Engine, its a GAME engine. The difference is, that the engine has the most librarys onboard, like physics (havok), audio, graphic, network, terrain editors, level/world editors, chunking/zoning mechanism etc etc etc.
The gfx-part of the engine can look like a crappy PDA-game or a "next-gen®" game - it depends on the artist creating the models/world.
An important part is, what the engines structure looks like, cuz this will make up the resource consumption later for the finished game.
The Hero Engine is about 900.000 USD, so the target customers are the bigger studios.
Oblivion was made (like posted already) with an engine based on NetImmerse, which became later GameBryo. The problem of that engine is the so called "frame pre-rendering" which Oblivion makes use of, thats why the mouse is constantly lagging in oblivion even with high-end computers. Another Oblivion "problem" was the used software for the vegetation-models (SpeedTree) which is well known to be a ressource-hog.
Expect any game based on Hero Engine and Speedtree to be ressource hungry but not as problem loaded as Vanguard was, because these games will come in about 2-3 years from now on and the computers then will be able to handle such immerse games easy (quadcore, 4 GIG RAM, SLI cards and better).
Claude