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Hellgate: London Reviews
Thillian
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I am entertained to see the reviews Hellgate is getting. Game so overhyped, made by RPG Authorities.. is getting so lame reviews: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/hellgatelondon
Whereas a game damned by so many, being incomplete and unplayable had this: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/vanguardsagaofheroes?q=vanguard
Keep in mind that VG really had plenty of bugs and CTD's that made a huge impact on the final score, whereas Hellgate has much smoother launch and the bad reviews just say about the overall gameplay. Which is far worse than bugs and performance that can be fixed.
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The problem with games like these and most MMOs is that they are always released to early before they are finished and are always reviewed at launch. It would be fair ig the game magazines made a review of MMOs about 6 months after release again. Pretty much like it's done with some games here on mmorpg.com
For Vanguard? Yes I agree 100% it was released too early. But for hellgate?
"An experience that is fun for a few hours but quickly grows repetitive. The stat-driven combat takes the player one step away from the action and the modular levels and peripheral nature of the story keeps players from investing in the world" - IGN
This is a gameplay issue, not a thing that will be ever fixed or improved. I for a change probably first time agree with someone from IGN, because I felt it the same.
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What exactly do you mean by reviews?
I can see only one in your post.
Here's a positive one.
PC Gamer recently gave Hellgate: London a 89 out of 100, just shy of the editor's choice award. Its cited reasons for the score were its solid and fresh take on the Diablo gameplay style.
Well...there's a demo,isnt it? Dont listen to reviews(positive or negative),just grab the trial and decide for yourself.
What is your point?
Are you trying to say that Vanguard is a better game than Hellgate?
If you are then, although i dont have VS i think they are different games. VS is a full blown MMORPG, whereas Hellgate is not.
Most of the "bad" reviews were because of the lack of a story, and said that the action was great. Which is what I'm there for. Kill swarming shitloads of demons, and collect loot. Without the "punching myself repeatedly in the yabbos" tedium that passes for gameplay in 99% of the MMO's on the market. Also known as 'challenge' to the Vanguard fans in the crowd.
If I want story, I'll read a book, thank you.
I did love the reviews mentioning repetitive combat in Hellgate. I wonder if HL2, TF2, QW, et all had repetetive combat brought up in their respective reviews?
I really think a lot of reviewers are thinking that HG:L is supposed to be a pure shooter or they played the lousy demo. How would you score Diablo 2 if you could only play through the Den of Evil?
MMOFPS without PvP (no, dueling is NOT real PvP!!)?? What is that?
Seriously, wtf is this game trying to be? Somekind of unholy bastard child of single RPG and FPS?
Diablo was shit too (IMO), but at least it had some meaningful PvP servers.
Why would I pay monthly fee for button smashing against mindless mobs?
PC Gamer rated Vanguard a 69 and Hellgate an 89. Overall Hellgate has better reviews then Vanguard as well.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
PC Gamer rated Vanguard a 69 and Hellgate an 89. Overall Hellgate has better reviews then Vanguard as well.
Read again my post proplerly. So far Hellgate has 72%, Vanguard 69%. But the fact is that VG had huge performance issues and bugs at the launch and Hellgate has not. So reviewers were not bitching about performance in Hellgate but about the gameplay and the game itself. Whereas in VG they were bitching only on poor performance.
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Some meta review sites.
Hellgate: London reviews on Gameranking: www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/927136.asp
Vanguard reviews on Gamerankings: www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/920083.asp
Hellgate: London reviews on Metacritic: www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/hellgatelondon
Vanguard reviews on Metacritic: www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/vanguardsagaofheroes
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I've played Vanguard at launch, as well as Hellgate. Vanguard was horrible. Not only did you have graphical glitches and many crashes (Hey, I'm willing to admit Hellgate will crash occasionally for me, but not nearly as much as Vanguard) but MANY quests were bugged... so much that crafters ended up getting completely screwed, if they grinded their way up too fast, they couldn't make better quality items because their quests for them were broken. This is hardly the case in Hellgate.
Vanguard was also BORING. I think I managed to reach level 22 with a monk and I wanted to fall asleep playing the game. Hellgate has some of the fastest action I've experienced in a game. If you really want to talk overhyped, you keep talking about Vanguard, and their magic 'vision' they wanted to fulfill... because that game was garbage, and probably still is, having been so horrible of a startup, SOE had to buy the game.
The genre itself is about exactly that sort of gameplay and you can see it in the reviews themselves.
The ones that 'got it' rated it well, the idiots who missed the point completely gave it a bad review.
It's very simple, and most those reviews show a complete lack of understanding for the genre, and so do you. Oh and don't dare mention Diablo 2 because i know me and a lot of other people are going to laugh at you. A lot.
PC Gamer rated Vanguard a 69 and Hellgate an 89. Overall Hellgate has better reviews then Vanguard as well.
Overall VG has way more horrible reviews. It has reviews as low as 30% while Hellgate's lowest review was 60%. Also Vanguard's highest was 80% while Hellgates was 89%. Lastly Hellgate has 8 to 10 reviews so far and Vanguard has over 30.Read again my post proplerly. So far Hellgate has 72%, Vanguard 69%. But the fact is that VG had huge performance issues and bugs at the launch and Hellgate has not. So reviewers were not bitching about performance in Hellgate but about the gameplay and the game itself. Whereas in VG they were bitching only on poor performance.
Obviously Vanguard has much much poorer reviews overall.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
PC Gamer rated Vanguard a 69 and Hellgate an 89. Overall Hellgate has better reviews then Vanguard as well.
Overall VG has way more horrible reviews. It has reviews as low as 30% while Hellgate's lowest review was 60%. Also Vanguard's highest was 80% while Hellgates was 89%. Lastly Hellgate has 8 to 10 reviews so far and Vanguard has over 30.Read again my post proplerly. So far Hellgate has 72%, Vanguard 69%. But the fact is that VG had huge performance issues and bugs at the launch and Hellgate has not. So reviewers were not bitching about performance in Hellgate but about the gameplay and the game itself. Whereas in VG they were bitching only on poor performance.
Obviously Vanguard has much much poorer reviews overall.
Vanguard also had higher reviews
I dont know like you but I think that if a game has got 100, 100, 100, 0, 0, 0 reviews making it average 50%, is more appealing than a game that recieved 6x 50%. The first example means the game obviously has the; you love it or hate it syndrome, whereas the second is just purely average.
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people who judge a game by review one site are retarded, and the site u gave isnt even official and valid like PC gamers review. every site has different scoring, if u want to easily find it out use wiki it's the best cuz it takes from every other source if u dont want to waste time looking other websites.
when i gonna buy the i play the demo first then i wait til the game come out and watch multiple games review sites to see the scoring. if every sites give it real low scoring then i wont buy but if some high some low i may consider. if pretty much all site give it high score ill definitely get cuz it means the game will be popular.
No people that didnt get this thread are retarded. It's about reviews comparison between VG and Hellgate. One game baing bashed here for months, the other overhyped like hell. In addition if you really check those links I provided you would find out it's a metareview sites, that makes an average of 20-30 other reviewers sites. And I'm sure you know anyone can edit articles in Wikipedia, so it's relevance is flawed. It's a good site for general knowledge but nothing more.
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So basically what they're trying to say in that review is, Diablo 2 was the worst game of all time, and nobody played it, right?
Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts.
EAT ME MMORPG.com!
People might have listened a little more to the point you were making if you didn't compare Hellgate to the Most Overhyped and yet crappiest MMO ever to be released.
Vanguard was so bad that it put its own company out of business.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Hah no, that's WoW.
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No people that didnt get this thread are retarded. It's about reviews comparison between VG and Hellgate. One game baing bashed here for months, the other overhyped like hell. In addition if you really check those links I provided you would find out it's a metareview sites, that makes an average of 20-30 other reviewers sites. And I'm sure you know anyone can edit articles in Wikipedia, so it's relevance is flawed. It's a good site for general knowledge but nothing more.
I bought Vanguard at launch and it was horrible, I couldn't bring myself to play it more than two hours on the first day. I quit after the first month. Vanguard for me was a failure as an immersive sand box MMO. I thought the reviewers had scored the game way above its merits.I bought Hellgate three days ago, and I'm currently at work itching to get back to playing, nevermind the issues my GPU has with the game. Hellgate is fun, quick action, just like diablo. You don't need to play for four hours in a raid of 20+ people to possibly have your item drop. Its log on, and start blasting away, and it isn't claming to be anything else.
Maybe the hack 'n slash genre is a bit outdated, but in my honest opinion many reviewers that scored the game under 70% missed the point. Hellgate is not an MMORPG, not even a MMOFPS. Its hack 'n slash stat based RPG and a very good one at that. You aren't supposed to play Hellgate fro hours on end, unless you're addicted like me.
I mean honestly.. if I like a game, it doesn't matter what anyone says about it.. I'm going to play it.
Hellgate: London is a great game and I intend on playing it for a long time... as for the other.... no comment.
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JonMichael
Currently: AION, an MMO Beta under NDA
Played: WAR, LOTRO, Hellgate: London, CoX, GW, SotNW, DAOC, EQ2, SWG, WoW, AO, Horizons, Second Life, There, TSO
Beta'd: There, Second Life, EQ2, DAOC:LotM, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, Gods and Heroes, Hellgate: London, Requiem:Bloodymare, AoC, WAR, DDO, Fallen Earth
VG isnt near close popular as HGL, it is not even on the top RPGs list at this very own site. so i guess it just matter of people's taste. if u purely like in-depth role-playing like vanguard, then u wont like hellgate cuz all it does in there is hack n slash and kill everything in ur path. if u dont care about storyline then u wont like those RPGs. bioware is famous for delevoping in-depth RPGs, but most of its RPGs' gameplay are crap. if u play NWN or NWN2, the story is great but the gameplay is a garbage.
if u want more actions, hellgate is the choice cuz it has fps. To me VG is like lineage II or guild war, everything moves so slow in the game cuz it's not instance.
the truth is, most people who play MMORPGs dont give jacks about storyline cuz once u beat the game it's done there is nothing else interesting but just do pvp, finding better gears, and further grinding. tbh, i think the d2 story is crap and short, (only 5 acts) so as hellgate. well, it's addictive gameplay keeps it alive so thats why u see an active community of a 7 years-old game. people who focus purely on story will most likely to play single player.
So far I have seen more than 10 reviews, including PCGamer, none of which were very favorable.
The problem with this game is that because the free play has so many restrictions and the almost complete lack of content, the subscription fee income will be very short lived.
For the game to succeed they need to drop subscription like a hot potato, maybe add a in a game shop for extra items.
This game will be dead in 6 months with no changes if not sooner.
Bet the guys at Blizzard are laughing their asses off this lame attempt to clone Diablo.
Shame on you Bill Roper, we expected much better of you.
Hah no, that's WoW.
Okay now it is obvious that you are nothing but a Troll.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Hah no, that's WoW.
oh no,make no mistake,the crown prince of the overhyped garbage games is vanguard, a title it will hold for many a year to come.