Thats a whole lot of hate over 1 ingame item that caused the uproar, the "tamers neckless". The one item in that expansion that was "removed from game". So how is your lawsuit going now, I am sure in the last 2 years there has been some progress, ROFL.
You must be the target audience of the nge. Sorry you're unable to comprehend the jest of the issue.
Any other appropriate responce to Gutboy would end up being a flame.
I agree, the issue must be in jest.
I didn't like the changes either and stopped playing shortly before them, but that was years ago. You people are f'ing sad. Get the hell over it. It is THEIR game, not yours and every MMO is SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
So yes, I hope it's in jest. It's just not a very funny joke and it's gone on for WAY too long.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
I didn't like the changes either and stopped playing shortly before them, but that was years ago. You people are f'ing sad. Get the hell over it. It is THEIR game, not yours and every MMO is SUBJECT TO CHANGE. So yes, I hope it's in jest. It's just not a very funny joke and it's gone on for WAY too long.
You come in here flaming everyone and saying what a joke they are. What are you, the next jesus? Are you here to tell us how everything is because your opinion is the only one that matters? After all, there is such a thing as 'personal choice'. It's part of the 'democracy' that built our modern civilization - and you are unable to comprehend how important personal choice is. You can't just say a game is bad because you alone don't personally like it. That is your personal choice, not someone elses.
SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre. MMOs are NOT going to change because the developers are making games just to make money, and unfortunately, the way that MMORPGs are is the best way to make money. Developers are not going to make non-profit games just to satisfy the 1% of people that want to play your particular playstyle. They are making the changes to bring in money by satisfying what ALL 99% of the other players want.
I didn't like the changes either and stopped playing shortly before them, but that was years ago. You people are f'ing sad. Get the hell over it. It is THEIR game, not yours and every MMO is SUBJECT TO CHANGE. So yes, I hope it's in jest. It's just not a very funny joke and it's gone on for WAY too long.
You come in here flaming everyone and saying what a joke they are. What are you, the next jesus? Are you here to tell us how everything is because your opinion is the only one that matters? After all, there is such a thing as 'personal choice'. It's part of the 'democracy' that built our modern civilization - and you are unable to comprehend how important personal choice is. You can't just say a game is bad because you alone don't personally like it. That is your personal choice, not someone elses.
SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre. MMOs are NOT going to change because the developers are making games just to make money, and unfortunately, the way that MMORPGs are is the best way to make money. Developers are not going to make non-profit games just to satisfy the 1% of people that want to play your particular playstyle. They are making the changes to bring in money by satisfying what ALL 99% of the other players want.
If you're trying to contradict me, you're not doing a very good job. I was saying it's their game to change as they see fit (which is probably to get more subs and money) and that these SWG vets that are still vocally pissed off about the changes need to move on. So thanks for backing me up.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
So having bought and played the game the first day it came out, i quit after about 1 month or 2. The game was just way too glitchy and my computer couldnt handle the graphics, but I never had any real complaints, it really offered a lot as far as MMOs go. So I re-installed the game about 2 weeks ago (since I have a station pass) and started playing with a friend. We have just been zoomin through tons of well put together missions, going into outer space and doing pretty cool space combat and all kinds of fun stuff, joining the imperials was really fun to because all over the place with NPCs and players it feels like the rebels vs. the imperials...really gets you into that "we are fighting over the galaxy mood" All over the place I see really really cool pets, tons of cool mounts, and really amazing player run cities...tons of planets with lots and lots of area on each, and a lot more. As I would prefer a skill based game over lvl based, SWG is quite good right now and im glad im playing again, lots of fun and it really offers a lot MMO wise......so I would say to anyone wanting to try out the new game to give it a go! im glad I did
Im glad you are playing it and enjoying but if you can not see why people hate this game and SOE with a passion then I really dont know what to tell you. Maybe it is because you didn't invest tons of time in to it pre cu or even pre nge. I play it now but its taken me 2 years to finally come back. The game as it stands right now isnt anything great but its not nearly as bad as some people would want you to believe.
I dont believe the anger and hatred come from this particualr incarnation of the game as much as it is the road SOE took to get us here. Not to mention SOE's treatment of its customers. A lot of people feel like they got screwed. I dont know nor am I going to argue if they did or not. The bottom line is that is the common perception that a lot of vets have.
So having bought and played the game the first day it came out, i quit after about 1 month or 2. The game was just way too glitchy and my computer couldnt handle the graphics, but I never had any real complaints, it really offered a lot as far as MMOs go. So I re-installed the game about 2 weeks ago (since I have a station pass) and started playing with a friend. We have just been zoomin through tons of well put together missions, going into outer space and doing pretty cool space combat and all kinds of fun stuff, joining the imperials was really fun to because all over the place with NPCs and players it feels like the rebels vs. the imperials...really gets you into that "we are fighting over the galaxy mood" All over the place I see really really cool pets, tons of cool mounts, and really amazing player run cities...tons of planets with lots and lots of area on each, and a lot more. As I would prefer a skill based game over lvl based, SWG is quite good right now and im glad im playing again, lots of fun and it really offers a lot MMO wise......so I would say to anyone wanting to try out the new game to give it a go! im glad I did
Im glad you are playing it and enjoying but if you can not see why people hate this game and SOE with a passion then I really dont know what to tell you. Maybe it is because you didn't invest tons of time in to it pre cu or even pre nge. I play it now but its taken me 2 years to finally come back. The game as it stands right now isnt anything great but its not nearly as bad as some people would want you to believe.
I dont believe the anger and hatred come from this particualr incarnation of the game as much as it is the road SOE took to get us here. Not to mention SOE's treatment of its customers. A lot of people feel like they got screwed. I dont know nor am I going to argue if they did or not. The bottom line is that is the common perception that a lot of vets have.
I played from release until they changed and I don't understand the hatred. Especially this far along. With any MMO you're paying for a monthly service. You people act like it's some kind of retirement investment you got screwed out of. MMOs are a dirt cheap form of entertainment. Most of us rack up several hours each month playing. When the service is no longer wanted, you cancel and choose another or do something else. I can't believe you guys don't feel a bit silly years later still crying this much. I've even seen some speak of fraud and lawsuits.
I know it's pointless to point out any kind of logic. It's all been said before. It just boggles my mind how some people think.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Don't worry about it. If you're having fun, then leave these forums and never look back. Their hatred is beyond reason at this point. Just enjoy the game and forget about anything said here.
well said. i'm sure most of "them" are too crazy to realize how they look after all this time. best to just keep moving when they do their usual off the deep end posting.
Good for you, Dont let the SOE hatters Ruin your fun damnit.... I Tryed SWG Post NGE. Couldent stand it. But if it fits your ticket than Please Enjoy it. Im Tired of all the SOE haters Running in to every fourm/Post saying soe is the Devil.
Then since you didn't get the message yet: SOE is the devil.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
A lot of people feel like they got screwed. I dont know nor am I going to argue if they did or not. The bottom line is that is the common perception that a lot of vets have.
false. only the unstable ones have that perception. the rest of us just went and played something else til they got their act somewhat together. the game is fun again but i'd never try to convince any of those so called vets of that. i am glad they're gone since they would be nothing but disruptive if they came back.
btw i am a pre cu vet myself so i was subjected to the alleged screwing you speak of. the only diff being i was adult enough to wait it out. it's just a game yet a lot of folks on the you know what forum seem to have forgotten that. sucks to be them.
A lot of people feel like they got screwed. I dont know nor am I going to argue if they did or not. The bottom line is that is the common perception that a lot of vets have.
false. only the unstable ones have that perception. the rest of us just went and played something else til they got their act somewhat together. the game is fun again but i'd never try to convince any of those so called vets of that. i am glad they're gone since they would be nothing but disruptive if they came back.
btw i am a pre cu vet myself so i was subjected to the alleged screwing you speak of. the only diff being i was adult enough to wait it out. it's just a game yet a lot of folks on the you know what forum seem to have forgotten that. sucks to be them.
Very true, they like to believe they are a 'majority' and that they affect SOE's sales :P
When the NGE happened I just moved on,I came back and am now enjoying the game
"Don't hold breath about another KOTOR game coming from Bioware" - Chris Preistly
"Bioware is more intrested in pursueing development of it's own Intellectual properties"
A lot of people feel like they got screwed. I dont know nor am I going to argue if they did or not. The bottom line is that is the common perception that a lot of vets have.
false. only the unstable ones have that perception. the rest of us just went and played something else til they got their act somewhat together. the game is fun again but i'd never try to convince any of those so called vets of that. i am glad they're gone since they would be nothing but disruptive if they came back.
btw i am a pre cu vet myself so i was subjected to the alleged screwing you speak of. the only diff being i was adult enough to wait it out. it's just a game yet a lot of folks on the you know what forum seem to have forgotten that. sucks to be them.
Very true, they like to believe they are a 'majority' and that they affect SOE's sales :P
When the NGE happened I just moved on,I came back and am now enjoying the game
I think of the angry vet's reasonings as afew things:
1. The person you know that is dating the fat ugly girl/guy (SWG) that everyone knows is a crack head $%^# and you keep warning them how bad it is (Bugs/NGE etc) but they just keep making excuses and can bypass all of the bad things and somehow think they're happy? if they were happy would they really need to defend themselves constantly or just blow it off? I would assume they are just trying to justify thier actions by lashing out at anyone who dares to make any offensive remarks. So for some maybe it's a warning to potential subscribers to the dirty #$% SOE.
2. SWGtards a.k.a. Battered house wife - similar to #1 but they actually thrive on being abused and living in a trailer park (SWG) when they could move on up to the east side and play another game that actually works? This also includes the people who constantly complain and continue to play or resub every few months when they know it is just as bad. That next patch might sace the game!!! or they might actually stop lying to you!!! So maybe there's some people who want to help them.
3. 70+ hour X-fire stat users who are so displaced from reality that you actually feel sorry for them because thier whole existence revolves around playing such a crappy game. Ben Stein did it for his son with EQ so maybe it's time for some help with these sorry souls.
4. Helpful consumers - If I was looking into buying a product I'd like to read some reviews, and if I came here and read the current forums I'd see a distorted view of how the game actually is. IMO it's a bug ridden piece of garbage from the beginning and has only gotten worse. So many feel like it's thier civic duty as gamers to inform the general public how bad this game actually is (for more information see #1).
5. People like me who are waiting for the John Smedley/Jim Ward sex tape to emerge and SOE collapses so we might have a decent Star Wars MMO.
A lot of people feel like they got screwed. I dont know nor am I going to argue if they did or not. The bottom line is that is the common perception that a lot of vets have.
false. only the unstable ones have that perception. the rest of us just went and played something else til they got their act somewhat together. the game is fun again but i'd never try to convince any of those so called vets of that. i am glad they're gone since they would be nothing but disruptive if they came back.
btw i am a pre cu vet myself so i was subjected to the alleged screwing you speak of. the only diff being i was adult enough to wait it out. it's just a game yet a lot of folks on the you know what forum seem to have forgotten that. sucks to be them.
I find it amusing yet kind of sad that you would call anyone who sees it that way unstable. They put tons of time in to whatever they were doing just to have it taken away. I can see their point. Not only was it all taken away but it was replaced with soemthing that was inferior. With something that had even more bugs then the buggy game they had.
Now no one told them to go grind jedi or be a CH or any of the other professions that were in the game. No one told them they had to collect adk's,aa's or ca's. The problem was no one told them all of that would be made useless. That the effort and time put in wasnt going to help them in the future of the game. That it was all a huge waste. Now it is just a game. I get that. I believe all of the pissed off people understand that too. In any MMO you are always trying to better your character. That is the idea of the game. Every MMO works the same way. Kill mobs to get better gear to kill stronger mobs to bet better gear and on and on and on. Thats pretty much the cycle. Sure you can add some pvp in there or exploration or collection but that is the basics of just about every mmo. That is what these people did. Little did they know it was all a waste of time.
Now we can argue that playing a MMO is a waste of time in and of itself. So is posting on a forum, watching tv..etc. Its called leisure time. We do these things because it is supposed to be fun. The sad truth is a lot of MMO's do not include fun as part of the process of getting these items or skills or whatever you are after. It is fun after you have them so you suffer through a grind or running the same instance night after night or whatever you may need to do. Now it cold also be argued that if its not fun why do it? Well once again its fun once you get whatever you are after. It is fun to advance in the game and see and fight new bosses or mobs. It is fun to be more competitive in PVP. It is the trade off that every MMO I have ever played seems to have. Time spent in other games usually advances you. I have never seen it all just get thrown away before.
How anyone can not understand this is beyond me. I find it hard to believe that all of the people that hate SWG or SOE are unstable. They had a bad experience and have a forum to express their anger. They are no different from people who will not buy a Ford or Chevy or whatever because they had a bad experience. Are all of those people unstable too? Its the same deal really. Both parties paid money for a product or service that they found to be less than adequate. The amount of money spent really isnt the issue. It was the confidence the consumer had in the product. The confidence that was betrayed by the products provider or the product itself. It is just so easy when someone doesnt have the same experience or view as you do to label them and insult them.
I also find it kind of funny that the people that defend SWG now are not considered to be unstable by like minded people even though they argure with just as much if not more passion than the people that hate it.
I play SWG. I enjoy SWG. I will not lie about what SWG has become or the population on my server. I'm not going to post screenshots of a pvp zone and say "see look at all the people" It proves nothing. Im sure that happens on my dead server every now and then too. Sad part is that is the majority of the population on my server. I dont think bragging about 50 people being on my server at one time makes much sense.
its funny because a lot of the stuff u saw was from pre NGE.
anyway as for an MMO its getting better (playable if u really REALLY love star wars) space combat (luckily) wasnt damaged too much and is by far the best part of the game.
Let's just hope they don't completely screw space up with the next chapter.
its funny because a lot of the stuff u saw was from pre NGE.
anyway as for an MMO its getting better (playable if u really REALLY love star wars) space combat (luckily) wasnt damaged too much and is by far the best part of the game.
Let's just hope they don't completely screw space up with the next chapter.
Gunboats, boardable space stations...sounds good so far
I agree... I didn't like the changes either and stopped playing
After all, there is such a thing as 'personal choice'. It's part of the 'democracy' that built our modern civilization - and you are unable to comprehend how important personal choice is.
SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre.
I was saying it's their game to change as they see fit (which is probably to get more subs and money) and that these SWG vets that are still vocally pissed off about the changes need to move on. So thanks for backing me up.
Since Dread previously quoted me on his little rant:
I'm not pissed. I don't think anyone is honestly "pissed" anymore. What is taking place is an attempt to educate the consumer, and potential corporate violater, that we the consumer will not tolerate nor forgive deceptive business practices.
The distate has very little to do with "changes". I for one belive *most* changes are for the better. The problem wasn't chaning the gameplayer, regardless how rediculously poor it had become, it was the deliberate attempt to advertise and market a product that was well known not to exist through development of the NGE. I'm not talking about a single necklace since only stupidity would lay claim to *that* being the cause of deception. We're talking about everything fundamental to marketing the expansion its self.
They commited wire fraud then refunded everyones monies, who requested a refund, since their counsel had advised them to do so. Do you really think they issued refunds to be nice? They did so to dilute the potential of such a case going passt arbitration.
The disclaimer "game may change" is ONLY directly related to the experiance of the game being directly related to a community which could be a great experiance or one equal to a disasterous one. It does *not* give a blank check to rewrite marketed products after they're purchased. The EULA would be the attempt to gnerate a blank check, and that's already being challenged.
I agree... I didn't like the changes either and stopped playing
After all, there is such a thing as 'personal choice'. It's part of the 'democracy' that built our modern civilization - and you are unable to comprehend how important personal choice is.
SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre.
I was saying it's their game to change as they see fit (which is probably to get more subs and money) and that these SWG vets that are still vocally pissed off about the changes need to move on. So thanks for backing me up.
Since Dread previously quoted me on his little rant:
I'm not pissed. I don't think anyone is honestly "pissed" anymore. What is taking place is an attempt to educate the consumer, and potential corporate violater, that we the consumer will not tolerate nor forgive deceptive business practices.
The distate has very little to do with "changes". I for one belive *most* changes are for the better. The problem wasn't chaning the gameplayer, regardless how rediculously poor it had become, it was the deliberate attempt to advertise and market a product that was well known not to exist through development of the NGE. I'm not talking about a single necklace since only stupidity would lay claim to *that* being the cause of deception. We're talking about everything fundamental to marketing the expansion its self.
They commited wire fraud then refunded everyones monies, who requested a refund, since their counsel had advised them to do so. Do you really think they issued refunds to be nice? They did so to dilute the potential of such a case going passt arbitration.
The disclaimer "game may change" is ONLY directly related to the experiance of the game being directly related to a community which could be a great experiance or one equal to a disasterous one. It does *not* give a blank check to rewrite marketed products after they're purchased. The EULA would be the attempt to gnerate a blank check, and that's already being challenged.
OK, I was kind of following you until the wire fraud charges. Anything YOU want to "educate" the consumer about is suspect if you actually believe what you are saying. The game was not meeting their expectations so they developed a new concept they hoped would appeal to a broader audience and bring in more people. It may be your (and most of the veterans) opinion that this was a stupid move, but it's their game to do with as they chose and they state that in the EULA. Whatever it is, it certainly isn't criminal.
You argue against the EULA giving them the right to change their game in an attempt to be more successful? So the game companies are at the mercy of the playerbase? They have to run any changes through you first?
A sub doesn't make you part owner. You're paying for the privelage of logging into their game servers and playing a game that they created. You have no right to tell them how to run their game or what changes they can or cannot make. They can shut the whole thing down if they want today.
I know I've convinced you of nothing (except perhaps that I'm a naive idiot) and you're just going to keep crying foul, which is your right. I'm just trying to "educate the consumer" like you.
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MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
I agree... I didn't like the changes either and stopped playing
After all, there is such a thing as 'personal choice'. It's part of the 'democracy' that built our modern civilization - and you are unable to comprehend how important personal choice is.
SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre.
I was saying it's their game to change as they see fit (which is probably to get more subs and money) and that these SWG vets that are still vocally pissed off about the changes need to move on. So thanks for backing me up.
Since Dread previously quoted me on his little rant:
I'm not pissed. I don't think anyone is honestly "pissed" anymore. What is taking place is an attempt to educate the consumer, and potential corporate violater, that we the consumer will not tolerate nor forgive deceptive business practices.
The distate has very little to do with "changes". I for one belive *most* changes are for the better. The problem wasn't chaning the gameplayer, regardless how rediculously poor it had become, it was the deliberate attempt to advertise and market a product that was well known not to exist through development of the NGE. I'm not talking about a single necklace since only stupidity would lay claim to *that* being the cause of deception. We're talking about everything fundamental to marketing the expansion its self.
They commited wire fraud then refunded everyones monies, who requested a refund, since their counsel had advised them to do so. Do you really think they issued refunds to be nice? They did so to dilute the potential of such a case going passt arbitration.
The disclaimer "game may change" is ONLY directly related to the experiance of the game being directly related to a community which could be a great experiance or one equal to a disasterous one. It does *not* give a blank check to rewrite marketed products after they're purchased. The EULA would be the attempt to gnerate a blank check, and that's already being challenged.
OK, I was kind of following you until the wire fraud charges. Anything YOU want to "educate" the consumer about is suspect if you actually believe what you are saying. The game was not meeting their expectations so they developed a new concept they hoped would appeal to a broader audience and bring in more people. It may be your (and most of the veterans) opinion that this was a stupid move, but it's their game to do with as they chose and they state that in the EULA. Whatever it is, it certainly isn't criminal.
You argue against the EULA giving them the right to change their game in an attempt to be more successful? So the game companies are at the mercy of the playerbase? They have to run any changes through you first?
A sub doesn't make you part owner. You're paying for the privelage of logging into their game servers and playing a game that they created. You have no right to tell them how to run their game or what changes they can or cannot make. They can shut the whole thing down if they want today.
I know I've convinced you of nothing (except perhaps that I'm a naive idiot) and you're just going to keep crying foul, which is your right. I'm just trying to "educate the consumer" like you.
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You make some valid and true points Dreadlich, but I personally feel that EULA's give the company far to much power. I'd like to see some consumer protection for products like MMO's, particularily when you buy the original software. If the software was free then I might be more lenient to changes but because we pay for that software and have no others means of accessing it without paying additional charges then I feel we have a stronger case for more protection.
"Please note, we reserve the right to modify or delay the release of all or part of any update into the live game in our sole and absolute discretion."
Of course they also have this to fall back on: "Please note, we reserve the right to modify or delay the release of all or part of any update into the live game in our sole and absolute discretion."
There's actually a lot more in there then just that. The EULA goes as far as claiming that they, SOE, aren't required to provide anything to the user other then the purchased discs with the media on them, and even then. It's quite fun to read through and think of how the consumer has aboslutely no rights. (EULA's are being challenged for a reason and that's cause consumers have rights.)
And to the other post, I do not feel you're an idiot. Nor do I feel anyone else is who continues to play SWG and/or other SOE games is. That's a choice we have as consumers. I'm sure the current state of the game could be found as enjoyable to some people, but it's not the level of fun that's daunting, it's the deception that comes with it.
Keep in mind, there's been a plethora of times where SOE representatives have made statements meant to increase subscriptions without what was said bearing fruition. It's these experiances that "dissenters" will continue to seminate as long as SOE exists. And it is due to the historical accuracy of their, SOE, deceptive business practices, which exist to exploit the consumers, that will cause many to encourage others to find better avenues of entertainment.
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Any other appropriate responce to Gutboy would end up being a flame.
I agree, the issue must be in jest.I didn't like the changes either and stopped playing shortly before them, but that was years ago. You people are f'ing sad. Get the hell over it. It is THEIR game, not yours and every MMO is SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
So yes, I hope it's in jest. It's just not a very funny joke and it's gone on for WAY too long.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre. MMOs are NOT going to change because the developers are making games just to make money, and unfortunately, the way that MMORPGs are is the best way to make money. Developers are not going to make non-profit games just to satisfy the 1% of people that want to play your particular playstyle. They are making the changes to bring in money by satisfying what ALL 99% of the other players want.
SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre. MMOs are NOT going to change because the developers are making games just to make money, and unfortunately, the way that MMORPGs are is the best way to make money. Developers are not going to make non-profit games just to satisfy the 1% of people that want to play your particular playstyle. They are making the changes to bring in money by satisfying what ALL 99% of the other players want.
If you're trying to contradict me, you're not doing a very good job. I was saying it's their game to change as they see fit (which is probably to get more subs and money) and that these SWG vets that are still vocally pissed off about the changes need to move on. So thanks for backing me up.MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Crap, I laughed.... Does that mean I'm going to Hell?
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
I don't believe in god.
"Don't hold breath about another KOTOR game coming from Bioware" - Chris Preistly
"Bioware is more intrested in pursueing development of it's own Intellectual properties"
- James Henly
Im glad you are playing it and enjoying but if you can not see why people hate this game and SOE with a passion then I really dont know what to tell you. Maybe it is because you didn't invest tons of time in to it pre cu or even pre nge. I play it now but its taken me 2 years to finally come back. The game as it stands right now isnt anything great but its not nearly as bad as some people would want you to believe.
I dont believe the anger and hatred come from this particualr incarnation of the game as much as it is the road SOE took to get us here. Not to mention SOE's treatment of its customers. A lot of people feel like they got screwed. I dont know nor am I going to argue if they did or not. The bottom line is that is the common perception that a lot of vets have.
Im glad you are playing it and enjoying but if you can not see why people hate this game and SOE with a passion then I really dont know what to tell you. Maybe it is because you didn't invest tons of time in to it pre cu or even pre nge. I play it now but its taken me 2 years to finally come back. The game as it stands right now isnt anything great but its not nearly as bad as some people would want you to believe.
I dont believe the anger and hatred come from this particualr incarnation of the game as much as it is the road SOE took to get us here. Not to mention SOE's treatment of its customers. A lot of people feel like they got screwed. I dont know nor am I going to argue if they did or not. The bottom line is that is the common perception that a lot of vets have.
I played from release until they changed and I don't understand the hatred. Especially this far along. With any MMO you're paying for a monthly service. You people act like it's some kind of retirement investment you got screwed out of. MMOs are a dirt cheap form of entertainment. Most of us rack up several hours each month playing. When the service is no longer wanted, you cancel and choose another or do something else. I can't believe you guys don't feel a bit silly years later still crying this much. I've even seen some speak of fraud and lawsuits.I know it's pointless to point out any kind of logic. It's all been said before. It just boggles my mind how some people think.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
well said. i'm sure most of "them" are too crazy to realize how they look after all this time. best to just keep moving when they do their usual off the deep end posting.
Then since you didn't get the message yet: SOE is the devil.
What deserves to be done, deserves to be "well" done...
if your enjoying yourself, and until someone pays for your sub, they don't have the right to tell you what you do or don't like.
Enjoy!
false. only the unstable ones have that perception. the rest of us just went and played something else til they got their act somewhat together. the game is fun again but i'd never try to convince any of those so called vets of that. i am glad they're gone since they would be nothing but disruptive if they came back.
btw i am a pre cu vet myself so i was subjected to the alleged screwing you speak of. the only diff being i was adult enough to wait it out. it's just a game yet a lot of folks on the you know what forum seem to have forgotten that. sucks to be them.
false. only the unstable ones have that perception. the rest of us just went and played something else til they got their act somewhat together. the game is fun again but i'd never try to convince any of those so called vets of that. i am glad they're gone since they would be nothing but disruptive if they came back.
btw i am a pre cu vet myself so i was subjected to the alleged screwing you speak of. the only diff being i was adult enough to wait it out. it's just a game yet a lot of folks on the you know what forum seem to have forgotten that. sucks to be them.
Very true, they like to believe they are a 'majority' and that they affect SOE's sales :P
When the NGE happened I just moved on,I came back and am now enjoying the game
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false. only the unstable ones have that perception. the rest of us just went and played something else til they got their act somewhat together. the game is fun again but i'd never try to convince any of those so called vets of that. i am glad they're gone since they would be nothing but disruptive if they came back.
btw i am a pre cu vet myself so i was subjected to the alleged screwing you speak of. the only diff being i was adult enough to wait it out. it's just a game yet a lot of folks on the you know what forum seem to have forgotten that. sucks to be them.
Very true, they like to believe they are a 'majority' and that they affect SOE's sales :P
When the NGE happened I just moved on,I came back and am now enjoying the game
I think of the angry vet's reasonings as afew things:
1. The person you know that is dating the fat ugly girl/guy (SWG) that everyone knows is a crack head $%^# and you keep warning them how bad it is (Bugs/NGE etc) but they just keep making excuses and can bypass all of the bad things and somehow think they're happy? if they were happy would they really need to defend themselves constantly or just blow it off? I would assume they are just trying to justify thier actions by lashing out at anyone who dares to make any offensive remarks. So for some maybe it's a warning to potential subscribers to the dirty #$% SOE.
2. SWGtards a.k.a. Battered house wife - similar to #1 but they actually thrive on being abused and living in a trailer park (SWG) when they could move on up to the east side and play another game that actually works? This also includes the people who constantly complain and continue to play or resub every few months when they know it is just as bad. That next patch might sace the game!!! or they might actually stop lying to you!!! So maybe there's some people who want to help them.
3. 70+ hour X-fire stat users who are so displaced from reality that you actually feel sorry for them because thier whole existence revolves around playing such a crappy game. Ben Stein did it for his son with EQ so maybe it's time for some help with these sorry souls.
4. Helpful consumers - If I was looking into buying a product I'd like to read some reviews, and if I came here and read the current forums I'd see a distorted view of how the game actually is. IMO it's a bug ridden piece of garbage from the beginning and has only gotten worse. So many feel like it's thier civic duty as gamers to inform the general public how bad this game actually is (for more information see #1).
5. People like me who are waiting for the John Smedley/Jim Ward sex tape to emerge and SOE collapses so we might have a decent Star Wars MMO.
There's more but I'm too tired to list them.
false. only the unstable ones have that perception. the rest of us just went and played something else til they got their act somewhat together. the game is fun again but i'd never try to convince any of those so called vets of that. i am glad they're gone since they would be nothing but disruptive if they came back.
btw i am a pre cu vet myself so i was subjected to the alleged screwing you speak of. the only diff being i was adult enough to wait it out. it's just a game yet a lot of folks on the you know what forum seem to have forgotten that. sucks to be them.
I find it amusing yet kind of sad that you would call anyone who sees it that way unstable. They put tons of time in to whatever they were doing just to have it taken away. I can see their point. Not only was it all taken away but it was replaced with soemthing that was inferior. With something that had even more bugs then the buggy game they had.
Now no one told them to go grind jedi or be a CH or any of the other professions that were in the game. No one told them they had to collect adk's,aa's or ca's. The problem was no one told them all of that would be made useless. That the effort and time put in wasnt going to help them in the future of the game. That it was all a huge waste. Now it is just a game. I get that. I believe all of the pissed off people understand that too. In any MMO you are always trying to better your character. That is the idea of the game. Every MMO works the same way. Kill mobs to get better gear to kill stronger mobs to bet better gear and on and on and on. Thats pretty much the cycle. Sure you can add some pvp in there or exploration or collection but that is the basics of just about every mmo. That is what these people did. Little did they know it was all a waste of time.
Now we can argue that playing a MMO is a waste of time in and of itself. So is posting on a forum, watching tv..etc. Its called leisure time. We do these things because it is supposed to be fun. The sad truth is a lot of MMO's do not include fun as part of the process of getting these items or skills or whatever you are after. It is fun after you have them so you suffer through a grind or running the same instance night after night or whatever you may need to do. Now it cold also be argued that if its not fun why do it? Well once again its fun once you get whatever you are after. It is fun to advance in the game and see and fight new bosses or mobs. It is fun to be more competitive in PVP. It is the trade off that every MMO I have ever played seems to have. Time spent in other games usually advances you. I have never seen it all just get thrown away before.
How anyone can not understand this is beyond me. I find it hard to believe that all of the people that hate SWG or SOE are unstable. They had a bad experience and have a forum to express their anger. They are no different from people who will not buy a Ford or Chevy or whatever because they had a bad experience. Are all of those people unstable too? Its the same deal really. Both parties paid money for a product or service that they found to be less than adequate. The amount of money spent really isnt the issue. It was the confidence the consumer had in the product. The confidence that was betrayed by the products provider or the product itself. It is just so easy when someone doesnt have the same experience or view as you do to label them and insult them.
I also find it kind of funny that the people that defend SWG now are not considered to be unstable by like minded people even though they argure with just as much if not more passion than the people that hate it.
I play SWG. I enjoy SWG. I will not lie about what SWG has become or the population on my server. I'm not going to post screenshots of a pvp zone and say "see look at all the people" It proves nothing. Im sure that happens on my dead server every now and then too. Sad part is that is the majority of the population on my server. I dont think bragging about 50 people being on my server at one time makes much sense.
its funny because a lot of the stuff u saw was from pre NGE.
anyway as for an MMO its getting better (playable if u really REALLY love star wars)
space combat (luckily) wasnt damaged too much and is by far the best part of the game.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Let's just hope they don't completely screw space up with the next chapter.
Let's just hope they don't completely screw space up with the next chapter.
Gunboats, boardable space stations...sounds good so far
SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre.
I was saying it's their game to change as they see fit (which is probably to get more subs and money) and that these SWG vets that are still vocally pissed off about the changes need to move on. So thanks for backing me up.Since Dread previously quoted me on his little rant:
I'm not pissed. I don't think anyone is honestly "pissed" anymore. What is taking place is an attempt to educate the consumer, and potential corporate violater, that we the consumer will not tolerate nor forgive deceptive business practices.
The distate has very little to do with "changes". I for one belive *most* changes are for the better. The problem wasn't chaning the gameplayer, regardless how rediculously poor it had become, it was the deliberate attempt to advertise and market a product that was well known not to exist through development of the NGE. I'm not talking about a single necklace since only stupidity would lay claim to *that* being the cause of deception. We're talking about everything fundamental to marketing the expansion its self.
They commited wire fraud then refunded everyones monies, who requested a refund, since their counsel had advised them to do so. Do you really think they issued refunds to be nice? They did so to dilute the potential of such a case going passt arbitration.
The disclaimer "game may change" is ONLY directly related to the experiance of the game being directly related to a community which could be a great experiance or one equal to a disasterous one. It does *not* give a blank check to rewrite marketed products after they're purchased. The EULA would be the attempt to gnerate a blank check, and that's already being challenged.
After all, there is such a thing as 'personal choice'. It's part of the 'democracy' that built our modern civilization - and you are unable to comprehend how important personal choice is.SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre.
I was saying it's their game to change as they see fit (which is probably to get more subs and money) and that these SWG vets that are still vocally pissed off about the changes need to move on. So thanks for backing me up.Since Dread previously quoted me on his little rant:
I'm not pissed. I don't think anyone is honestly "pissed" anymore. What is taking place is an attempt to educate the consumer, and potential corporate violater, that we the consumer will not tolerate nor forgive deceptive business practices.
The distate has very little to do with "changes". I for one belive *most* changes are for the better. The problem wasn't chaning the gameplayer, regardless how rediculously poor it had become, it was the deliberate attempt to advertise and market a product that was well known not to exist through development of the NGE. I'm not talking about a single necklace since only stupidity would lay claim to *that* being the cause of deception. We're talking about everything fundamental to marketing the expansion its self.
They commited wire fraud then refunded everyones monies, who requested a refund, since their counsel had advised them to do so. Do you really think they issued refunds to be nice? They did so to dilute the potential of such a case going passt arbitration.
The disclaimer "game may change" is ONLY directly related to the experiance of the game being directly related to a community which could be a great experiance or one equal to a disasterous one. It does *not* give a blank check to rewrite marketed products after they're purchased. The EULA would be the attempt to gnerate a blank check, and that's already being challenged.
OK, I was kind of following you until the wire fraud charges. Anything YOU want to "educate" the consumer about is suspect if you actually believe what you are saying. The game was not meeting their expectations so they developed a new concept they hoped would appeal to a broader audience and bring in more people. It may be your (and most of the veterans) opinion that this was a stupid move, but it's their game to do with as they chose and they state that in the EULA. Whatever it is, it certainly isn't criminal.
You argue against the EULA giving them the right to change their game in an attempt to be more successful? So the game companies are at the mercy of the playerbase? They have to run any changes through you first?
A sub doesn't make you part owner. You're paying for the privelage of logging into their game servers and playing a game that they created. You have no right to tell them how to run their game or what changes they can or cannot make. They can shut the whole thing down if they want today.
I know I've convinced you of nothing (except perhaps that I'm a naive idiot) and you're just going to keep crying foul, which is your right. I'm just trying to "educate the consumer" like you.
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MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
SWG is just making changes to satisfy the majority of gamers and adhere with the rest of the genre.
I was saying it's their game to change as they see fit (which is probably to get more subs and money) and that these SWG vets that are still vocally pissed off about the changes need to move on. So thanks for backing me up.Since Dread previously quoted me on his little rant:
I'm not pissed. I don't think anyone is honestly "pissed" anymore. What is taking place is an attempt to educate the consumer, and potential corporate violater, that we the consumer will not tolerate nor forgive deceptive business practices.
The distate has very little to do with "changes". I for one belive *most* changes are for the better. The problem wasn't chaning the gameplayer, regardless how rediculously poor it had become, it was the deliberate attempt to advertise and market a product that was well known not to exist through development of the NGE. I'm not talking about a single necklace since only stupidity would lay claim to *that* being the cause of deception. We're talking about everything fundamental to marketing the expansion its self.
They commited wire fraud then refunded everyones monies, who requested a refund, since their counsel had advised them to do so. Do you really think they issued refunds to be nice? They did so to dilute the potential of such a case going passt arbitration.
The disclaimer "game may change" is ONLY directly related to the experiance of the game being directly related to a community which could be a great experiance or one equal to a disasterous one. It does *not* give a blank check to rewrite marketed products after they're purchased. The EULA would be the attempt to gnerate a blank check, and that's already being challenged.
OK, I was kind of following you until the wire fraud charges. Anything YOU want to "educate" the consumer about is suspect if you actually believe what you are saying. The game was not meeting their expectations so they developed a new concept they hoped would appeal to a broader audience and bring in more people. It may be your (and most of the veterans) opinion that this was a stupid move, but it's their game to do with as they chose and they state that in the EULA. Whatever it is, it certainly isn't criminal.
You argue against the EULA giving them the right to change their game in an attempt to be more successful? So the game companies are at the mercy of the playerbase? They have to run any changes through you first?
A sub doesn't make you part owner. You're paying for the privelage of logging into their game servers and playing a game that they created. You have no right to tell them how to run their game or what changes they can or cannot make. They can shut the whole thing down if they want today.
I know I've convinced you of nothing (except perhaps that I'm a naive idiot) and you're just going to keep crying foul, which is your right. I'm just trying to "educate the consumer" like you.
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You make some valid and true points Dreadlich, but I personally feel that EULA's give the company far to much power. I'd like to see some consumer protection for products like MMO's, particularily when you buy the original software. If the software was free then I might be more lenient to changes but because we pay for that software and have no others means of accessing it without paying additional charges then I feel we have a stronger case for more protection.
Of course they also have this to fall back on:
"Please note, we reserve the right to modify or delay the release of all or part of any update into the live game in our sole and absolute discretion."
And to the other post, I do not feel you're an idiot. Nor do I feel anyone else is who continues to play SWG and/or other SOE games is. That's a choice we have as consumers. I'm sure the current state of the game could be found as enjoyable to some people, but it's not the level of fun that's daunting, it's the deception that comes with it.
Keep in mind, there's been a plethora of times where SOE representatives have made statements meant to increase subscriptions without what was said bearing fruition. It's these experiances that "dissenters" will continue to seminate as long as SOE exists. And it is due to the historical accuracy of their, SOE, deceptive business practices, which exist to exploit the consumers, that will cause many to encourage others to find better avenues of entertainment.
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