But on topic, I can not concieve of a situtation where social persistant online environments where people adventure, compete, socialize etc no longer exists. The suggestion makes no sense.
When cars were new, every old farmer with a screwdriver thought he could build a car and sell it and with that become a millionaire. At the same time, in the papers, people were discussing the future of the car, and it was considered a fad that would soon die , since horses carriages and trains took people places a lot better, faster and more comfortably. After several years of development and evolution, people stopped buying any old junk just because it was new and fashionable, and suddenly demanded some sort of quality for their money. It was no longer the creators market, it was the costumers, and the farmers had to go back to their cows and building cars was now made by the scientists, the designers, the people devoted to that one area of expertise. Today, cars are no longer a fad, its something everyone count on owning and using in their lives. Pretty much all new science has been treated the exact same way. Something good appears, people like it, when nontalented golddiggers notice people like somehting they want a piece of the action, and they throw together any old junk that is bought by the simple and stupid people of the world, and the simple and stupid people of the world are soo proud "Look, I bought the latest thing, its great!!" No, its just new, its a golddigger trap and you fell into it. It takes years until even the stupid people learn not to buy a shiny box, but actually start demanding quality and knowledge behind their products... and then only the scientists and the professionals survive and the product evolve to unseens heights. The biggest enemy to quality is people that are willing to throw their money on the gold diggers. The problem for the MMOs is, it normally takes the suckers 20-30 years to learn something, and MMOs has not existed that long yet. But when a few decades has passed and the suckers have finally learned thier lesson, then MMOs will probably evolve to the ONLY game on the market. The singleplayer onedimensional lead-by-the-nose ordinary games we see today will feel as outdated as Pong.
Well said
I don't think MMOG's are going anywhere. Actually, most people are predicting that the entire gaming industry is heading in the online direction, and you can see it happening right now.
A better, and more relevant question might be: will MMORPG's survive in their current form? Who the hell know? It's pretty odd that the genre has barely evolved in 10-15 years, so I have a really hard time believing that we're not in for some BIG changes at some point. It's just going to take the right combination of better technology, a big company with plenty of $$, and some innovation.
I think MMOs will last as long as gaming lasts. Its only getting more popular as time goes by. After many years MMOs might not be as popular but I doubt they will ever disappear.
Originally posted by lomiller Microsoft is trying to eliminate PC gaming altogether; this pretty much kills MMOs IMO.
1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles.
2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years.
The idea of sharing a virtual world with other players will always be popular, and with that an edge over single player games. The question is whether free offerings on the horizon which are more virtual chat-rooms like this PS3 feature "home" will compete with the mmos especially as I'd imagine they will get more advanced.
Microsoft is trying to eliminate PC gaming altogether; this pretty much kills MMO’s IMO.
1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles.
2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years.
Chris Mattern
WTH? Conspiracy theorist crap. Microsoft trying to eliminate PC gaming? That's almost funny.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
MMORPG will make it , absolutly. Like any other game. The internet is here, We like playing with and against the world. If anything I expect MMORPG will only get more involved and more in depth
though it has been 15 years this is only the beginning. MMO's will keep increasing in popularity (and all games across the gaming world) and the market (both MMO's and games in general) will continue to go up...as i said...it is only the beginning....
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds -Solid non level based game -Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Massively-multiplayer, persistent online worlds will not only have a future but they will be the dominant form of entertainment over the next several generations.
This is the future, folks. It may not look exactly the same in the next 10-20 years, but the games you play today are going to be the forefathers of entertainment's future.
MMO gaming can only get better as time goes on, as more people get access to better machines less limits are put on developers in terms of hardware and target audiences, the same can be said with gaming and multi media in general.
MMOS is still a very new genre, the first mmo came out like 10 years ago, dont forget PCs have only been here for about 60 years, those time periods are off but hopefully you get the point. mmos have advanced very quickly just like computers, and they will if history is to go by carry on doing that.
So whos to say with the potential mmos have that they wont be the main form of gaming theres already so many coming out, look at all the big name developers making them now that trend can only contenue.
I actually see other genres dying soon, adventure games for instance are dead atm and things dont look up for them most likely other genres will suffer the same fate as more and more games tend to be a mixture of everything.
Theres no real need for adventure games any more they have kind of merged with todays rpgs.
I cant really see that happening to mmos, i think eventually mmos will start to get the ability to have mods like other pc games which is a huge potential industry, who knows in 50 years mmos could die out and we could be left with very advance forms of second life type "games".
Originally posted by Dreadlich Originally posted by ChrisMattern
Originally posted by lomiller Microsoft is trying to eliminate PC gaming altogether; this pretty much kills MMOs IMO.
1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles. 2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years. Chris Mattern
WTH? Conspiracy theorist crap. Microsoft trying to eliminate PC gaming? That's almost funny.
Not funny at all, it's very real. Microsoft doesn't want you gaming on a PC, they want you gaming on an Xbox 360, where they'll capture a much larger slice of the revenue. Look at it. With a PC, a third party sells you the hardware and gets the cash for it. With an Xbox, Microsoft gets that money. With a PC, while Microsoft has been pushing "certified" Windows software with some success, and collecting the fees for it, it's still very possible to make a game without that certification, not only losing Microsoft the certification fees of those who don't certify, but helps drive down the price Microsoft can demand for certification. On an Xbox, if you don't meet Microsoft's licensing demands, you don't run on their closed hardware. And Microsoft gets to charge higher prices--it's no longer "pay our price or you don't get the keen logo", it's "pay our price or you don't run on our box."
Look at Halo--Halo made Microsoft ecstatic. Not only was it a blockbuster game that provided the Xbox with its needed killer app, it was the first real success of an FPS game on a console. Microsoft put the console into play for a whole class of games that had previously been regarded as impossible to do on a console. The Halo series has been the biggest success story of Microsoft gaming. Now, look at the release dates: Halo for the Xbox, 11/14/01. Halo for the PC, 09/30/03. Halo 2 for the Xbox, 11/09/04. Halo 2 for the PC, 05/31/07. Halo 3 for the Xbox 360, 09/25/07. Halo 3 for the PC, well, at the moment Microsoft hasn't even said they'll make it, let alone given a release date. Yes, they want you playing on an Xbox.
forever. every friend i turn on to mmo's has a hard time going back to single player and console. every single one, alwasy asking about thenext big mmo's to come out too. yes im the dork of the crowd
Microsoft is trying to eliminate PC gaming altogether; this pretty much kills MMO’s IMO.
1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles.
2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years.
Chris Mattern
WTH? Conspiracy theorist crap. Microsoft trying to eliminate PC gaming? That's almost funny.
Not funny at all, it's very real. Microsoft doesn't want you gaming on a PC, they want you gaming on an Xbox 360, where they'll capture a much larger slice of the revenue. Look at it. With a PC, a third party sells you the hardware and gets the cash for it. With an Xbox, Microsoft gets that money. With a PC, while Microsoft has been pushing "certified" Windows software with some success, and collecting the fees for it, it's still very possible to make a game without that certification, not only losing Microsoft the certification fees of those who don't certify, but helps drive down the price Microsoft can demand for certification. On an Xbox, if you don't meet Microsoft's licensing demands, you don't run on their closed hardware. And Microsoft gets to charge higher prices--it's no longer "pay our price or you don't get the keen logo", it's "pay our price or you don't run on our box."
Look at Halo--Halo made Microsoft ecstatic. Not only was it a blockbuster game that provided the Xbox with its needed killer app, it was the first real success of an FPS game on a console. Microsoft put the console into play for a whole class of games that had previously been regarded as impossible to do on a console. The Halo series has been the biggest success story of Microsoft gaming. Now, look at the release dates: Halo for the Xbox, 11/14/01. Halo for the PC, 09/30/03. Halo 2 for the Xbox, 11/09/04. Halo 2 for the PC, 05/31/07. Halo 3 for the Xbox 360, 09/25/07. Halo 3 for the PC, well, at the moment Microsoft hasn't even said they'll make it, let alone given a release date. Yes, they want you playing on an Xbox.
Chris Mattern
Gaming drives the computer industry. You actually believe that Microsoft would seek to destroy the thing that created and maintains their company? They're just going to become a console provider, competing with Sony and Nintendo?
Nevermind, I'm not gonna argue this rediculous notion.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR Playing: WAR Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Originally posted by Dreadlich Gaming drives the computer industry.
Gaming drives the computer *hardware* industry. Since Microsoft doesn't get any of that money (aside from some relatively inexpensive input devices), why should they care about it?
You actually believe that Microsoft would seek to destroy the thing that created and maintains their company?
No, I don't. Since that thing would be their business software (MS Office is their biggest money-earner), I don't see how it's related to this conversation. Microsoft doesn't make an enormous amount from PC gaming--some successful game software, but they're not dominating that industry, a lot of OEM Windows sold to PC makers churning out game boxes, but OEM Windows gets handed out pretty cheap, and a miniscule amount in joysticks, I guess. There's just not much there, and they want a bigger slice of the pie.
They're just going to become a console provider, competing with Sony and Nintendo? Nevermind, I'm not gonna argue this rediculous notion.
No. They will continue to dominate office software. They want to be a console provider *too*, because there's more money in having the dominant game console than in what they're getting from PC gaming. The PS and PS2 made Sony buckets of money--in fact, in many years, most of Sony's profits came from the consoles. Microsoft has noticed that. They want you off your PC and on an Xbox so that the next folks to make a fortune from console gaming can be them.
I don't think they're going to be able to make it work, but that's another argument. They'll probably recover well, they always do when they overreach themselves.
If you are not a conspiracy theorist who believes that the Governments of the world arn't hiding some new form of power behind their backs while selling of the last few drops of fossil fuel to the highest bidder, how do mmo's last forever?
With peak oil well past and our reserves in a constantly depleteing state, with best projections at 25 years and 24 hour power grids around 10 how are you going to play? We could take turns in a treadmill I suppose? 'BOOM headshot, run faster you bastard he's ghosting!!!!'.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
MMO is about entertainment, they will not die out, just like you have movies, not everyone goes to the movies everyday or watch them everynite, but they are there when you want to enjoy them. The difference is one is statics the other one is interactive.
Concerning the is posting "1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles.
2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years."
Mircosoft is not going to bite the hand that feed them, they are smart enough to know that console allows a family to group and play together instead of the pc. Meaning, in a household you may have one or two pc and one only one person can play a game on it, but with one console and four controllers, you can allow the whole household to play together all at once. Either way they win, they just addressing the market needs. As long as they make money from either PC or consoles they do not care, to them they are winning and earning revenue.
Originally posted by mrw0lf If you are not a conspiracy theorist who believes that the Governments of the world arn't hiding some new form of power behind their backs while selling of the last few drops of fossil fuel to the highest bidder, how do mmo's last forever? With peak oil well past and our reserves in a constantly depleteing state, with best projections at 25 years and 24 hour power grids around 10 how are you going to play? We could take turns in a treadmill I suppose? 'BOOM headshot, run faster you bastard he's ghosting!!!!'.
Bah, the impending end of the world's been predicted ever since the world began. They've been predicting the world running out of resources in twenty years for the past fifty. I'll believe it when I see it.
If you are not a conspiracy theorist who believes that the Governments of the world arn't hiding some new form of power behind their backs while selling of the last few drops of fossil fuel to the highest bidder, how do mmo's last forever?
With peak oil well past and our reserves in a constantly depleteing state, with best projections at 25 years and 24 hour power grids around 10 how are you going to play? We could take turns in a treadmill I suppose? 'BOOM headshot, run faster you bastard he's ghosting!!!!'.
Bah, the impending end of the world's been predicted ever since the world began. They've been predicting the world running out of resources in twenty years for the past fifty. I'll believe it when I see it.
Chris Mattern
I never said anything about the end of the world (although I quite happily could ). Civilisations based upon different forms of power have existed in the past and will in the future. Like our ancestors before when their domination of the energy or the resource itself expired so did their civilisations. To believe that it will not happen to us is a little naive.
Edit: damn forgot the 50 year thingy, what was actually stated previously and currently was that if new fossil fuel resources were not found they would run out in x number of years, they also warned that if we did find new resources it would be even worse due to the impact on the environment. They were kinda right, on both counts.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Well, MMOs are going to change within the next 5 years or so. The days of games like Vanguard are done. (thank goodness) Tradional MMOers are probably not going to like where they are heading but thats the way of things. They are are not going to just "disappear" if that is what you are getting at.
MMO gaming has not made the impact it could have for a a few basic reasons. System requirements, Fees, quality, and fun/entertainment value.
Keep in mind online gameing is just taking off. MMOs have not been able to capitalize on that momentum. (at least here in the west)
Gaming isn't in its "prime" yet...it's just starting to really make an impact on the entertainment industry
Current games will still be ripped off of older.. (wow, eq, etc) until more and more people get sick of it and wont fund the devs in making the same old same old...
I predict within the next 3 years this will happen and the genre will be in a slum (but not dead of course, only a fool would predict that)...
Then after a certain amount of time, a few gaming companies (probably "independant" companies) will make a big innovation to the sandbox like games and we will have a truly immersive mmo. One that will make the addiction players have to games today look like a girl scout cookie in comparison...
Just my two cents...
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The industry will never kill itself off. I just think you had a bad experience with an online game and are venting through this topic. As for the bad titles, one company may die off then another shall arise promoting the features the previous game lacked. Claiming that MMORPGs will die off is like saying Television will die in 20 years. As long as the internet exists and people have not gone extinct, MMORPGs will be here.
ChrisMattern > Microsoft cannot kill PC gaming, because as long as developers are good enough to programme for whatever platform Microsoft throw out there, then we will get games. Technically speaking as well, no console or computer in the history of creation has ever died or being killed. Developers could still develop for the SNES if they wanted to. Developers will always make PC games, because it's the single biggest platform in the world. The XBox franchise can never dominate, because it doesn't have Japan. A console needs Japan to rule, and the only reason the 360 is getting so many Japanese games is because Microsoft are paying through their nose for them. They can't do that forever.
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But on topic, I can not concieve of a situtation where social persistant online environments where people adventure, compete, socialize etc no longer exists. The suggestion makes no sense.
MMORPG
I don't think MMOG's are going anywhere. Actually, most people are predicting that the entire gaming industry is heading in the online direction, and you can see it happening right now.
A better, and more relevant question might be: will MMORPG's survive in their current form? Who the hell know? It's pretty odd that the genre has barely evolved in 10-15 years, so I have a really hard time believing that we're not in for some BIG changes at some point. It's just going to take the right combination of better technology, a big company with plenty of $$, and some innovation.
I think MMOs will last as long as gaming lasts. Its only getting more popular as time goes by. After many years MMOs might not be as popular but I doubt they will ever disappear.
1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles.
2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years.
Chris Mattern
The idea of sharing a virtual world with other players will always be popular, and with that an edge over single player games. The question is whether free offerings on the horizon which are more virtual chat-rooms like this PS3 feature "home" will compete with the mmos especially as I'd imagine they will get more advanced.
1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles.
2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years.
Chris Mattern
WTH? Conspiracy theorist crap. Microsoft trying to eliminate PC gaming? That's almost funny.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
MMORPG will make it , absolutly. Like any other game. The internet is here, We like playing with and against the world. If anything I expect MMORPG will only get more involved and more in depth
Torrential
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
though it has been 15 years this is only the beginning. MMO's will keep increasing in popularity (and all games across the gaming world) and the market (both MMO's and games in general) will continue to go up...as i said...it is only the beginning....
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
Massively-multiplayer, persistent online worlds will not only have a future but they will be the dominant form of entertainment over the next several generations.
This is the future, folks. It may not look exactly the same in the next 10-20 years, but the games you play today are going to be the forefathers of entertainment's future.
MMO gaming can only get better as time goes on, as more people get access to better machines less limits are put on developers in terms of hardware and target audiences, the same can be said with gaming and multi media in general.
MMOS is still a very new genre, the first mmo came out like 10 years ago, dont forget PCs have only been here for about 60 years, those time periods are off but hopefully you get the point. mmos have advanced very quickly just like computers, and they will if history is to go by carry on doing that.
So whos to say with the potential mmos have that they wont be the main form of gaming theres already so many coming out, look at all the big name developers making them now that trend can only contenue.
I actually see other genres dying soon, adventure games for instance are dead atm and things dont look up for them most likely other genres will suffer the same fate as more and more games tend to be a mixture of everything.
Theres no real need for adventure games any more they have kind of merged with todays rpgs.
I cant really see that happening to mmos, i think eventually mmos will start to get the ability to have mods like other pc games which is a huge potential industry, who knows in 50 years mmos could die out and we could be left with very advance forms of second life type "games".
Adventure games thrive on consoles....
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles.
2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years.
Chris Mattern
WTH? Conspiracy theorist crap. Microsoft trying to eliminate PC gaming? That's almost funny.
Not funny at all, it's very real. Microsoft doesn't want you gaming on a PC, they want you gaming on an Xbox 360, where they'll capture a much larger slice of the revenue. Look at it. With a PC, a third party sells you the hardware and gets the cash for it. With an Xbox, Microsoft gets that money. With a PC, while Microsoft has been pushing "certified" Windows software with some success, and collecting the fees for it, it's still very possible to make a game without that certification, not only losing Microsoft the certification fees of those who don't certify, but helps drive down the price Microsoft can demand for certification. On an Xbox, if you don't meet Microsoft's licensing demands, you don't run on their closed hardware. And Microsoft gets to charge higher prices--it's no longer "pay our price or you don't get the keen logo", it's "pay our price or you don't run on our box."
Look at Halo--Halo made Microsoft ecstatic. Not only was it a blockbuster game that provided the Xbox with its needed killer app, it was the first real success of an FPS game on a console. Microsoft put the console into play for a whole class of games that had previously been regarded as impossible to do on a console. The Halo series has been the biggest success story of Microsoft gaming. Now, look at the release dates: Halo for the Xbox, 11/14/01. Halo for the PC, 09/30/03. Halo 2 for the Xbox, 11/09/04. Halo 2 for the PC, 05/31/07. Halo 3 for the Xbox 360, 09/25/07. Halo 3 for the PC, well, at the moment Microsoft hasn't even said they'll make it, let alone given a release date. Yes, they want you playing on an Xbox.
Chris Mattern
forever.
every friend i turn on to mmo's has a hard time going back to single player and console. every single one, alwasy asking about thenext big mmo's to come out too. yes im the dork of the crowd
1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles.
2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years.
Chris Mattern
WTH? Conspiracy theorist crap. Microsoft trying to eliminate PC gaming? That's almost funny.
Not funny at all, it's very real. Microsoft doesn't want you gaming on a PC, they want you gaming on an Xbox 360, where they'll capture a much larger slice of the revenue. Look at it. With a PC, a third party sells you the hardware and gets the cash for it. With an Xbox, Microsoft gets that money. With a PC, while Microsoft has been pushing "certified" Windows software with some success, and collecting the fees for it, it's still very possible to make a game without that certification, not only losing Microsoft the certification fees of those who don't certify, but helps drive down the price Microsoft can demand for certification. On an Xbox, if you don't meet Microsoft's licensing demands, you don't run on their closed hardware. And Microsoft gets to charge higher prices--it's no longer "pay our price or you don't get the keen logo", it's "pay our price or you don't run on our box."
Look at Halo--Halo made Microsoft ecstatic. Not only was it a blockbuster game that provided the Xbox with its needed killer app, it was the first real success of an FPS game on a console. Microsoft put the console into play for a whole class of games that had previously been regarded as impossible to do on a console. The Halo series has been the biggest success story of Microsoft gaming. Now, look at the release dates: Halo for the Xbox, 11/14/01. Halo for the PC, 09/30/03. Halo 2 for the Xbox, 11/09/04. Halo 2 for the PC, 05/31/07. Halo 3 for the Xbox 360, 09/25/07. Halo 3 for the PC, well, at the moment Microsoft hasn't even said they'll make it, let alone given a release date. Yes, they want you playing on an Xbox.
Chris Mattern
Gaming drives the computer industry. You actually believe that Microsoft would seek to destroy the thing that created and maintains their company? They're just going to become a console provider, competing with Sony and Nintendo?Nevermind, I'm not gonna argue this rediculous notion.
MMOs Played: EQ 1&2, DAoC, SWG, Planetside, WoW, GW, CoX, DDO, EVE, Vanguard, TR
Playing: WAR
Awaiting 40k Online and wishing for Battletech Online
Gaming drives the computer *hardware* industry. Since Microsoft doesn't get any of that money (aside from some relatively inexpensive input devices), why should they care about it?
No, I don't. Since that thing would be their business software (MS Office is their biggest money-earner), I don't see how it's related to this conversation. Microsoft doesn't make an enormous amount from PC gaming--some successful game software, but they're not dominating that industry, a lot of OEM Windows sold to PC makers churning out game boxes, but OEM Windows gets handed out pretty cheap, and a miniscule amount in joysticks, I guess. There's just not much there, and they want a bigger slice of the pie.
No. They will continue to dominate office software. They want to be a console provider *too*, because there's more money in having the dominant game console than in what they're getting from PC gaming. The PS and PS2 made Sony buckets of money--in fact, in many years, most of Sony's profits came from the consoles. Microsoft has noticed that. They want you off your PC and on an Xbox so that the next folks to make a fortune from console gaming can be them.
I don't think they're going to be able to make it work, but that's another argument. They'll probably recover well, they always do when they overreach themselves.
Chris Mattern
If you are not a conspiracy theorist who believes that the Governments of the world arn't hiding some new form of power behind their backs while selling of the last few drops of fossil fuel to the highest bidder, how do mmo's last forever?
With peak oil well past and our reserves in a constantly depleteing state, with best projections at 25 years and 24 hour power grids around 10 how are you going to play? We could take turns in a treadmill I suppose? 'BOOM headshot, run faster you bastard he's ghosting!!!!'.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
MMO is about entertainment, they will not die out, just like you have movies, not everyone goes to the movies everyday or watch them everynite, but they are there when you want to enjoy them. The difference is one is statics the other one is interactive.
Concerning the is posting "1) Microsoft is also trying desperately to move MMOs onto consoles. Why? Because they know if they don't get MMOs onto consoles, they won't kill PC gaming, because MMOs aren't going to die. This is why they pursued their already successful campaign to move FPSes onto consoles.
2) Microsoft's chances of actually killing PC gaming are very, very poor. They've overreached before; they're just very good at recognizing when they've done it before it does permanent damage and redoing their strategy on the fly (see: the Internet and World Wide Web). Expect to see Microsoft's attempts to make everybody play games only on the Xbox console series to be abandoned within five years."
Mircosoft is not going to bite the hand that feed them, they are smart enough to know that console allows a family to group and play together instead of the pc. Meaning, in a household you may have one or two pc and one only one person can play a game on it, but with one console and four controllers, you can allow the whole household to play together all at once. Either way they win, they just addressing the market needs. As long as they make money from either PC or consoles they do not care, to them they are winning and earning revenue.
Bah, the impending end of the world's been predicted ever since the world began. They've been predicting the world running out of resources in twenty years for the past fifty. I'll believe it when I see it.
Chris Mattern
Bah, the impending end of the world's been predicted ever since the world began. They've been predicting the world running out of resources in twenty years for the past fifty. I'll believe it when I see it.
Chris Mattern
I never said anything about the end of the world (although I quite happily could
). Civilisations based upon different forms of power have existed in the past and will in the future. Like our ancestors before when their domination of the energy or the resource itself expired so did their civilisations. To believe that it will not happen to us is a little naive.
Edit: damn forgot the 50 year thingy, what was actually stated previously and currently was that if new fossil fuel resources were not found they would run out in x number of years, they also warned that if we did find new resources it would be even worse due to the impact on the environment. They were kinda right, on both counts.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Some great opinions here, this thread even made the community spotlight of the newsletter, I am very pleased
"Don't hold breath about another KOTOR game coming from Bioware" - Chris Preistly
"Bioware is more intrested in pursueing development of it's own Intellectual properties"
- James Henly
Well, MMOs are going to change within the next 5 years or so. The days of games like Vanguard are done. (thank goodness) Tradional MMOers are probably not going to like where they are heading but thats the way of things. They are are not going to just "disappear" if that is what you are getting at.
MMO gaming has not made the impact it could have for a a few basic reasons. System requirements, Fees, quality, and fun/entertainment value.
Keep in mind online gameing is just taking off. MMOs have not been able to capitalize on that momentum. (at least here in the west)
Gaming isn't in its "prime" yet...it's just starting to really make an impact on the entertainment industry
I voted other. And heres my prediction:
Current games will still be ripped off of older.. (wow, eq, etc) until more and more people get sick of it and wont fund the devs in making the same old same old...
I predict within the next 3 years this will happen and the genre will be in a slum (but not dead of course, only a fool would predict that)...
Then after a certain amount of time, a few gaming companies (probably "independant" companies) will make a big innovation to the sandbox like games and we will have a truly immersive mmo. One that will make the addiction players have to games today look like a girl scout cookie in comparison...
Just my two cents...
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
The industry will never kill itself off. I just think you had a bad experience with an online game and are venting through this topic. As for the bad titles, one company may die off then another shall arise promoting the features the previous game lacked. Claiming that MMORPGs will die off is like saying Television will die in 20 years. As long as the internet exists and people have not gone extinct, MMORPGs will be here.
ChrisMattern > Microsoft cannot kill PC gaming, because as long as developers are good enough to programme for whatever platform Microsoft throw out there, then we will get games. Technically speaking as well, no console or computer in the history of creation has ever died or being killed. Developers could still develop for the SNES if they wanted to. Developers will always make PC games, because it's the single biggest platform in the world. The XBox franchise can never dominate, because it doesn't have Japan. A console needs Japan to rule, and the only reason the 360 is getting so many Japanese games is because Microsoft are paying through their nose for them. They can't do that forever.