I'm actually starting to find Openedge1's posts to be quite humorous. The amount of time he spends researching his troll posts about LOTRO is incredible! Very quick to point out any supposed shortcomings of Turbine or LOTRO, quick to address the LOTRO fanboys and always ready to post any negative press or news about the game. Head on over to the EQ2 forums and look for a post about how someone dislikes the latest expansion ROK. You'll see him defend his favorite game like a typical fanboy... attacking the "troll" and his post. A question to Openedge: If you're so wonderfully content with EQ2 and love it so much, how do you have the time to research LOTRO and post the incredible amounts of posts you do on it's forum? If I were so in love with my current game, I certainly wouldn't be wasting my time gathering and posting information about a game I don't like. I'd be doing the opposite.. researching for more information and PLAYING the game I do like! My dislike for EQ2/SOE is probably stronger than his dislikes of LOTRO/Turbine, but I really don't feel like wasting my time trolling a game I don't like. No wonder you're not past level 29! /wave
I also agree. openedge seems to have an open infatuation with LoTRO... otherwise he wouldn't be trolling these boards so much, and would be off playing his fairy-infested world of EQ2. Heh, no wonder his highest character is 29.
Edit: o.k. I give... I couldn't figure out the connection with the youtube video and lotro and bestbuy. I did like the tune though, had been awhile since I'd heard that one. Yeah, yeah, I know... I'm and idiot. I really couldn't figure out the connection though.
No connection. The retards on the internet think it's endlessly hillarious when they trick people into viewing one of these videos.
It's called being "rick rolled" because of the Rick Astley video.
I was hoping this BS would never reach these forums...
Ahh... I see. Guess I'm out of touch. Never heard of that before. Heh, glad to see we've got some "high-class" posters here.
See...you LOTRO fans are so hardcore and serious..I figured you needed a moment to unwind and know that like is like a rick roll...
Never gonna let ya down...know what I mean?
So...hopefully the 9.99 deal will inhabit Middle Earth with more subs...and life will be good
Rick Roll with it...
Cheers!
Umm... whatever floats your boat.
And yeah, I'm sure it'll bring in quite a few people. Black Friday sales are about as crazy as it gets and people line up for hours to get them. Got a Wii for the kids at last year's sale. There are a ton of people that really get into them. Sorry that not all MMOs could make the cut.
A lot people who bought the 50 dollar retail went with lifetime membership as well. I know I did ... Turbine has probably raked in more money in the intial launch then any mmo ever released, just because of the founder program and lifetime membership.
I do agree, they did make some cash of that life time membership thing.
I'm actually starting to find Openedge1's posts to be quite humorous. The amount of time he spends researching his troll posts about LOTRO is incredible! Very quick to point out any supposed shortcomings of Turbine or LOTRO, quick to address the LOTRO fanboys and always ready to post any negative press or news about the game.
I've been lurking around the LOTRO forums here for a while now. I've made a few posts, but mostly I've been reading. And what I've read from Openedge doesn't indicate to me he's a troll. I think his intent is to get people to start thinking critically about the claims flying around about this game, especially by fellow posters.
Turbine has said LOTRO is doing well, but doing well isn't necessarily like WoW is doing well. I trust their judgement - they have the figures. But I also don't think LOTRO is necessarily flying off the shelves. What does it matter if the game is just "run of the mill" on sales and subs? Why does it have to blow WoW or EQ2 or any other game out of the water? It seems to be chugging along just fine to me. I haven't noticed a lack of player population on my server, primetime or otherwise. In fact, since Book 11, the population seems to have increased a bit. But, I obviously have no way of of objectively observing this, it's just subjective perception. The point is, though, why can't we just be satisfied that the game is running, content is regularly released, and be happy with that eh?
Openedge seems to respect that in my opinion, so it stands to reason the people who are in love with LOTRO ought to do the same.
Check out my LOTRO Blog: www.middleearthadventurer.blogspot.com
I'm actually starting to find Openedge1's posts to be quite humorous. The amount of time he spends researching his troll posts about LOTRO is incredible! Very quick to point out any supposed shortcomings of Turbine or LOTRO, quick to address the LOTRO fanboys and always ready to post any negative press or news about the game.
I've been lurking around the LOTRO forums here for a while now. I've made a few posts, but mostly I've been reading. And what I've read from Openedge doesn't indicate to me he's a troll. I think his intent is to get people to start thinking critically about the claims flying around about this game, especially by fellow posters.
Turbine has said LOTRO is doing well, but doing well isn't necessarily like WoW is doing well. I trust their judgement - they have the figures. But I also don't think LOTRO is necessarily flying off the shelves. What does it matter if the game is just "run of the mill" on sales and subs? Why does it have to blow WoW or EQ2 or any other game out of the water? It seems to be chugging along just fine to me. I haven't noticed a lack of player population on my server, primetime or otherwise. In fact, since Book 11, the population seems to have increased a bit. But, I obviously have no way of of objectively observing this, it's just subjective perception. The point is, though, why can't we just be satisfied that the game is running, content is regularly released, and be happy with that eh?
Openedge seems to respect that in my opinion, so it stands to reason the people who are in love with LOTRO ought to do the same.
Thank you for your honest comments. If not for the fact that the game is being blown out of proportion, in that all who are "players" think it is THE game to beat...I really would not comment anymore than I do...
But, so many facts exists, yet, it is much easier to attack my posts than come up with counter claims or data to rectify my statements....there are none.
I do dot disagree that the game is doing well..I believe it is doing "fine"...but not the "blockbuster" that the posters here would lead you to believe.
The game will continue on license alone..and as long as that is enjoyed by it's players...then cool...but, having also seen the other side of the coin...statements by many users of boredom, less than satisfactory performance for some, UI issues, and Turbines claims of being "No. 2", with sales data showing a different story...there really is no reason not to have both camps stated here...
Hopefully LOTRO is still enjoyable to it's players...just like EQ2, WoW, Guild Wars, and Hellgate are for me...
But, this game is not a "Big Time Seller"...thats for sure.
A lot people who bought the 50 dollar retail went with lifetime membership as well. I know I did ... Turbine has probably raked in more money in the intial launch then any mmo ever released, just because of the founder program and lifetime membership.
I would beg to differ
For example...the game launched in April...but, in May...sales already started to tank
Top 10 Best Selling PC Games For May 19
The NPD Group has released the latest list of the top 10 best selling PC games in the US, this time for the week ending May 19:
# 1. World Of Warcraft: Burning Crusade - Blizzard
# 7. The Sims 2 Celebration Stuff - Electronic Arts
# 8. Starcraft: Battle Chest - Blizzard
# 9. Civilization IV - 2K Games
# 10. The Sims 2 - Electronic Arts
Already down to #4...yet...WoW goes back to the top...
Also note...the money is NOT in the "Lifetime" membership. This is a one time fee...and for Turbine to continue to be profitable, they will need "Monthly" subscribers. This will be their bread and butter...just like it is for WoW...
Finally...no numbers exists for the "initial" sales...that I was able to find. So, if someone can share that data...and specifically how many of those became lifetimer's, I would appreciate more cold hard facts. I was a Founder...but, not a "Lifetimer" as I wished to see where this was headed. And it paid off for myself...as the game did not meet my expectations...and many others as well..and I am not out that outlay of cash...
So, the game may be doing ok...but, it is no guarantee of "success" until at least 2-3 years, and see how much retainment there is...then we will see the bigger picture..
Since I started playing, I haven't been able to find any reputable subscription numbers, since Turbine pretty much refuses to release them. However, as another player stated before, I've actually seen a growing number of people around the game; many are coming back now that Book 11 is released.
Openedge has a good point; LOTRO is not the next WoW. In fact, it never will be. However, I and many other players still agree that it is a very strong, well-designed game that also provides a ton of fun for players. So, if you do see it in that 9.99 range on Friday, do pick it up.
Since I started playing, I haven't been able to find any reputable subscription numbers, since Turbine pretty much refuses to release them. However, as another player stated before, I've actually seen a growing number of people around the game; many are coming back now that Book 11 is released.
Openedge has a good point; LOTRO is not the next WoW. In fact, it never will be. However, I and many other players still agree that it is a very strong, well-designed game that also provides a ton of fun for players. So, if you do see it in that 9.99 range on Friday, do pick it up.
I agree for my server as well. In fact it's been getting down right crowded from time to time.
As to Openedge... he's actually doing LoTRo a service. The more he and others like him post on LoTRo's forums, the more it shows up on the front page. The more it shows up on the front page, the more mmorpg.com visitors click on it and read up on it. A certain percentage of those will try out the game, and a percentage of those will like it and subscribe to it.
How do I know this is true? They wouldn't be spending advertising dollars here if it wasn't bringing in subscribers. Kinda how business works.
Who knows how many subscribers Openedge has brought to the game? Definitely a lot more than those that have been chased away. I'm just really surprised that posters are willing to give that kind of free advertising for games they don't like. But hey, why look a gift horse in the mouth?
A lot people who bought the 50 dollar retail went with lifetime membership as well. I know I did ... Turbine has probably raked in more money in the intial launch then any mmo ever released, just because of the founder program and lifetime membership.
I would beg to differ
For example...the game launched in April...but, in May...sales already started to tank
Top 10 Best Selling PC Games For May 19
The NPD Group has released the latest list of the top 10 best selling PC games in the US, this time for the week ending May 19:
# 1. World Of Warcraft: Burning Crusade - Blizzard
# 7. The Sims 2 Celebration Stuff - Electronic Arts
# 8. Starcraft: Battle Chest - Blizzard
# 9. Civilization IV - 2K Games
# 10. The Sims 2 - Electronic Arts
Already down to #4...yet...WoW goes back to the top...
Also note...the money is NOT in the "Lifetime" membership. This is a one time fee...and for Turbine to continue to be profitable, they will need "Monthly" subscribers. This will be their bread and butter...just like it is for WoW...
Finally...no numbers exists for the "initial" sales...that I was able to find. So, if someone can share that data...and specifically how many of those became lifetimer's, I would appreciate more cold hard facts. I was a Founder...but, not a "Lifetimer" as I wished to see where this was headed. And it paid off for myself...as the game did not meet my expectations...and many others as well..and I am not out that outlay of cash...
So, the game may be doing ok...but, it is no guarantee of "success" until at least 2-3 years, and see how much retainment there is...then we will see the bigger picture..
Cheers!
I thought Openedge and others might like to read this one, from Nov. 16th 2007:
A snippet from the article. You should read the entire article though.
As Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter says in his reports, "While we cannot be certain that the NPD games data is accurate, we believe that the data provides a relevant benchmark for tracking U.S. retail sell-through."
So, while the rankings like what Openedge listed above is probably pretty close, those that include actual sales numbers are most likely not.
As Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter says in his reports, "While we cannot be certain that the NPD games data is accurate, we believe that the data provides a relevant benchmark for tracking U.S. retail sell-through." So, while the rankings like what Openedge listed above is probably pretty close, those that include actual sales numbers are most likely not.
Correct. And as long as we do not have cold hard facts, we can only base data on the most reliable source currently available.
As Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter says in his reports, "While we cannot be certain that the NPD games data is accurate, we believe that the data provides a relevant benchmark for tracking U.S. retail sell-through." So, while the rankings like what Openedge listed above is probably pretty close, those that include actual sales numbers are most likely not.
Correct. And as long as we do not have cold hard facts, we can only base data on the most reliable source currently available.
Cheers!
Yeah, I guess kinda accurate data is about as close as it gets.
I high-lighted another area that's been glossed over whenever NPD data is shown. Thought I'd point it out for those that are not aware.
As Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter says in his reports, "While we cannot be certain that the NPD games data is accurate, we believe that the data provides a relevant benchmark for tracking U.S. retail sell-through." So, while the rankings like what Openedge listed above is probably pretty close, those that include actual sales numbers are most likely not.
Correct. And as long as we do not have cold hard facts, we can only base data on the most reliable source currently available.
Cheers!
Yeah, I guess kinda accurate data is about as close as it gets.
I high-lighted another area that's been glossed over whenever NPD data is shown. Thought I'd point it out for those that are not aware.
A very good point also, and something I had stated before. I believe LOTRO is doing much better overseas than in the US...(wish we could gather more data on that...I know of one source, and will review that info...)
But, that explains why it won a Golden Joystick (even though it was not year end even...and no other current games were put against it)
So, for the European Market...the game I believe is doing much better...but will not know until we see some numbers....(goes to do his research for his wonderful LOTRO friends....)
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No connection. The retards on the internet think it's endlessly hillarious when they trick people into viewing one of these videos.
It's called being "rick rolled" because of the Rick Astley video.
I was hoping this BS would never reach these forums...
Ahh... I see. Guess I'm out of touch. Never heard of that before. Heh, glad to see we've got some "high-class" posters here.
See...you LOTRO fans are so hardcore and serious..I figured you needed a moment to unwind and know that like is like a rick roll...
Never gonna let ya down...know what I mean?
So...hopefully the 9.99 deal will inhabit Middle Earth with more subs...and life will be good
Rick Roll with it...
Cheers!
Umm... whatever floats your boat.And yeah, I'm sure it'll bring in quite a few people. Black Friday sales are about as crazy as it gets and people line up for hours to get them. Got a Wii for the kids at last year's sale. There are a ton of people that really get into them. Sorry that not all MMOs could make the cut.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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I do agree, they did make some cash of that life time membership thing.
ohhh shit i didnt know Black friday was after thanksgiving!!! THANK YOU AGAIN MMORPG.COM!!! ill be there with my bat
Hey!@ now that IS a bargain!! IM in!
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Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
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I've been lurking around the LOTRO forums here for a while now. I've made a few posts, but mostly I've been reading. And what I've read from Openedge doesn't indicate to me he's a troll. I think his intent is to get people to start thinking critically about the claims flying around about this game, especially by fellow posters.
Turbine has said LOTRO is doing well, but doing well isn't necessarily like WoW is doing well. I trust their judgement - they have the figures. But I also don't think LOTRO is necessarily flying off the shelves. What does it matter if the game is just "run of the mill" on sales and subs? Why does it have to blow WoW or EQ2 or any other game out of the water? It seems to be chugging along just fine to me. I haven't noticed a lack of player population on my server, primetime or otherwise. In fact, since Book 11, the population seems to have increased a bit. But, I obviously have no way of of objectively observing this, it's just subjective perception. The point is, though, why can't we just be satisfied that the game is running, content is regularly released, and be happy with that eh?
Openedge seems to respect that in my opinion, so it stands to reason the people who are in love with LOTRO ought to do the same.
Check out my LOTRO Blog: www.middleearthadventurer.blogspot.com
Turbine has said LOTRO is doing well, but doing well isn't necessarily like WoW is doing well. I trust their judgement - they have the figures. But I also don't think LOTRO is necessarily flying off the shelves. What does it matter if the game is just "run of the mill" on sales and subs? Why does it have to blow WoW or EQ2 or any other game out of the water? It seems to be chugging along just fine to me. I haven't noticed a lack of player population on my server, primetime or otherwise. In fact, since Book 11, the population seems to have increased a bit. But, I obviously have no way of of objectively observing this, it's just subjective perception. The point is, though, why can't we just be satisfied that the game is running, content is regularly released, and be happy with that eh?
Openedge seems to respect that in my opinion, so it stands to reason the people who are in love with LOTRO ought to do the same.
Thank you for your honest comments. If not for the fact that the game is being blown out of proportion, in that all who are "players" think it is THE game to beat...I really would not comment anymore than I do...
But, so many facts exists, yet, it is much easier to attack my posts than come up with counter claims or data to rectify my statements....there are none.
I do dot disagree that the game is doing well..I believe it is doing "fine"...but not the "blockbuster" that the posters here would lead you to believe.
The game will continue on license alone..and as long as that is enjoyed by it's players...then cool...but, having also seen the other side of the coin...statements by many users of boredom, less than satisfactory performance for some, UI issues, and Turbines claims of being "No. 2", with sales data showing a different story...there really is no reason not to have both camps stated here...
Hopefully LOTRO is still enjoyable to it's players...just like EQ2, WoW, Guild Wars, and Hellgate are for me...
But, this game is not a "Big Time Seller"...thats for sure.
Cheers!
I would beg to differ
For example...the game launched in April...but, in May...sales already started to tank
Top 10 Best Selling PC Games For May 19
The NPD Group has released the latest list of the top 10 best selling PC games in the US, this time for the week ending May 19:
# 1. World Of Warcraft: Burning Crusade - Blizzard
# 2. World Of Warcraft - Blizzard
# 3. Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars - Electronic Arts
# 4. Lord of the Rings Online - Turbine/Midway
# 5. The Sims 2 Seasons - Electronic Arts
# 6. The Sims 2 Deluxe - Electronic Arts
# 7. The Sims 2 Celebration Stuff - Electronic Arts
# 8. Starcraft: Battle Chest - Blizzard
# 9. Civilization IV - 2K Games
# 10. The Sims 2 - Electronic Arts
Already down to #4...yet...WoW goes back to the top...
Also note...the money is NOT in the "Lifetime" membership. This is a one time fee...and for Turbine to continue to be profitable, they will need "Monthly" subscribers. This will be their bread and butter...just like it is for WoW...
Finally...no numbers exists for the "initial" sales...that I was able to find. So, if someone can share that data...and specifically how many of those became lifetimer's, I would appreciate more cold hard facts. I was a Founder...but, not a "Lifetimer" as I wished to see where this was headed. And it paid off for myself...as the game did not meet my expectations...and many others as well..and I am not out that outlay of cash...
So, the game may be doing ok...but, it is no guarantee of "success" until at least 2-3 years, and see how much retainment there is...then we will see the bigger picture..
Cheers!
Since I started playing, I haven't been able to find any reputable subscription numbers, since Turbine pretty much refuses to release them. However, as another player stated before, I've actually seen a growing number of people around the game; many are coming back now that Book 11 is released.
Openedge has a good point; LOTRO is not the next WoW. In fact, it never will be. However, I and many other players still agree that it is a very strong, well-designed game that also provides a ton of fun for players. So, if you do see it in that 9.99 range on Friday, do pick it up.
As to Openedge... he's actually doing LoTRo a service. The more he and others like him post on LoTRo's forums, the more it shows up on the front page. The more it shows up on the front page, the more mmorpg.com visitors click on it and read up on it. A certain percentage of those will try out the game, and a percentage of those will like it and subscribe to it.
How do I know this is true? They wouldn't be spending advertising dollars here if it wasn't bringing in subscribers. Kinda how business works.
Who knows how many subscribers Openedge has brought to the game? Definitely a lot more than those that have been chased away. I'm just really surprised that posters are willing to give that kind of free advertising for games they don't like. But hey, why look a gift horse in the mouth?
I would beg to differ
For example...the game launched in April...but, in May...sales already started to tank
Top 10 Best Selling PC Games For May 19
The NPD Group has released the latest list of the top 10 best selling PC games in the US, this time for the week ending May 19:
# 1. World Of Warcraft: Burning Crusade - Blizzard
# 2. World Of Warcraft - Blizzard
# 3. Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars - Electronic Arts
# 4. Lord of the Rings Online - Turbine/Midway
# 5. The Sims 2 Seasons - Electronic Arts
# 6. The Sims 2 Deluxe - Electronic Arts
# 7. The Sims 2 Celebration Stuff - Electronic Arts
# 8. Starcraft: Battle Chest - Blizzard
# 9. Civilization IV - 2K Games
# 10. The Sims 2 - Electronic Arts
Already down to #4...yet...WoW goes back to the top...
Also note...the money is NOT in the "Lifetime" membership. This is a one time fee...and for Turbine to continue to be profitable, they will need "Monthly" subscribers. This will be their bread and butter...just like it is for WoW...
Finally...no numbers exists for the "initial" sales...that I was able to find. So, if someone can share that data...and specifically how many of those became lifetimer's, I would appreciate more cold hard facts. I was a Founder...but, not a "Lifetimer" as I wished to see where this was headed. And it paid off for myself...as the game did not meet my expectations...and many others as well..and I am not out that outlay of cash...
So, the game may be doing ok...but, it is no guarantee of "success" until at least 2-3 years, and see how much retainment there is...then we will see the bigger picture..
Cheers!
I thought Openedge and others might like to read this one, from Nov. 16th 2007:www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/npd-defends-integrity-of-its-video-game-data/18586/
A snippet from the article. You should read the entire article though.
As Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter says in his reports, "While we cannot be certain that the NPD games data is accurate, we believe that the data provides a relevant benchmark for tracking U.S. retail sell-through."
So, while the rankings like what Openedge listed above is probably pretty close, those that include actual sales numbers are most likely not.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Correct. And as long as we do not have cold hard facts, we can only base data on the most reliable source currently available.
Cheers!
Correct. And as long as we do not have cold hard facts, we can only base data on the most reliable source currently available.
Cheers!
Yeah, I guess kinda accurate data is about as close as it gets.I high-lighted another area that's been glossed over whenever NPD data is shown. Thought I'd point it out for those that are not aware.
Correct. And as long as we do not have cold hard facts, we can only base data on the most reliable source currently available.
Cheers!
Yeah, I guess kinda accurate data is about as close as it gets.I high-lighted another area that's been glossed over whenever NPD data is shown. Thought I'd point it out for those that are not aware.
A very good point also, and something I had stated before. I believe LOTRO is doing much better overseas than in the US...(wish we could gather more data on that...I know of one source, and will review that info...)
But, that explains why it won a Golden Joystick (even though it was not year end even...and no other current games were put against it)
So, for the European Market...the game I believe is doing much better...but will not know until we see some numbers....(goes to do his research for his wonderful LOTRO friends....)
Cheers!