I hate that once I capped in WoW there was nothing but daily quests and raiding left. Especially as I was a warrior. But then I would guess any game with a level cap would be the same... hence I now play EvE
So basicly, EVE is WoW end game, but right from the start?
Errr no .. not at all.. do you read English?
EvE is a capless game where instead of being taken on a roller coaster ride your given a sandbox to play in.
In WoW I can only be entertained if the WoW devs have thought about me and the way I like to play in EvE I make the game into how I like to play.
my biggest complaint with WoW is that it has lost the feeling it had early on, where you didnt worry about levels, you wandered into a new place and looked for groups or did some quests for the sake of having fun, rather than the sake of leveling as soon as possible.
now its just a job, even leveling from 1-70, all i hear is "Where is the best place to grind?" "Im at half level!!" "Dude level up a few levels so we can do X instance"
You have to follow a fairly narrow path as you level and upgrade gear. Content is disposable ; once you out level it, it is basically useless as there is no point to going back. If friends are not on the same level range along the path you cannot really play together.
IMO Blizzard did a great job building the world. It could have been so much greater than the simple treadmill that it is.
The ultra-linear gameplay. You have to follow a fairly narrow path as you level and upgrade gear. Content is disposable ; once you out level it, it is basically useless as there is no point to going back. If friends are not on the same level range along the path you cannot really play together. IMO Blizzard did a great job building the world. It could have been so much greater than the simple treadmill that it is.
couldnt have said it better myself
thats kind of why i loved the starting areas of the game, I really felt like I was in an open world were i could go everywhere and explore and do great things, however after getting to the parts where levels take days and you need to move all over the world in order to level, i just lost touch with this and felt like i was on a..... you said it best.... treadmill
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At one time, I would have agreed with you, but not anymore. Kara is very easy to get into, you only need 10 players and you can start running it with gear that you picked up from questing to 70. You'll get gear that is decent enough in Kara to PvP effectively, I do it everyday and I'm usually always in the top half of the BG (sometimes even 1 or 2) as far as damage goes with my Hunter with nothing but gear from Kara. Then once you start doing a little PvP you can pad your gear even further with honor and tokens. You can now get Season 1 arena gear from doing PvP and it's really not that difficult (not anything like it was to grind the honor rep before) and with that gear you can not only compete, but you can dominate. Sure, you are going to have to take a few lumps initially, but what do you expect? You want to just be able to go out your first day into PvP and own everyone? Please. It takes a little time and effort, but it's easily doable. You don't need a guild of 100 people. Get about 20 people in your guild and you'll have enough to do Kara on a pretty regular basis. Don't expect to get very far your first couple of tries, but gradually you'll start making your way thru it as you get geared up. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Well, My first toon, 3 years old, is a warrior in a raid guild. I have all the green dps plate from questing to 70, i also have all the plate defense gear from all the quests and instances in outland. Most the players in the guild are geared pretty much the same as me, and have over 20 kara attuned players to keep enough to go pretty often, and Kara kicks our ass. I wouldn't say anyone in our guild is a untalented, not too many mistakes or anything and we use vent and organise fairly well in my opinion. I've never had anyone doubt my playing skill either and have always been told i do very well.
The problem seems to simply be gear. Using mostly the same group and taking along a few geared players, the difference is insane, same tactics, same execution, totally different outcome. I've played the game long enough to realise that the difference in a lvl 5 toon and a lvl 70 ungeared toon is smaller than the difference between an ungeared 70 and a geared 70. Being a protect warriortank seems impossible with crap gear. Compare any geared class toon of one of the tougher( defensively) to my blue defense geared warrior (500 defense skill) and laugh at me every time. One example, last time i played wow, the fel reaver came through Honor Hold, a pvp warrior in arena gear tanked it with ease through about 80% of it's health, then as itwas near dead, that warrior was also getting very close to death, so of course i taunted it off to help him out, and guess what, 3 quick hits to me and i'm screaming ahhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhhh and i'm layed out on the ground. Besides an arena set or Kara gear, there is nothing else i can get better than my blue tank set, which is basically useless. I know you will say the arena warrior was obviously getting healed and taken care of and i didn't notice, but even if that were true, my full protection warrior with 500 defense skill didn't last long enough for someone to realise i needed to be healed, let alone the extra 1.5 - 3 seconds i would take to actually cast the heal spell. Guess it makes sense why my raid guild get slaughtered when i'm there. You may think i must suck but if you knew me you wouldn't question my ability i don't think.
Perhaps there is more to it than player skill + gear = success. Lord knows playing since launch I have come across both players who seem overpowered, and other who seem overpowered. Plenty of people have even switched characters with eachother to prove how well they can do with the so called underpowered friends toon, and sure enough, they end up saying " dam, dunno dude, your toon sucks, reroll ". Usually they just think their build is just so dam smart that you need to rethink your path and be more like them or something along those lines. The game breeds that '' Uber'' pride complex that so many people hate and complain about so often. It's easy to think you are that much smarted and better than everyone else, but in my experience in WoW, player talent is about as much as an advantage as overclocking your FSB by 10 and getting a 2 frame per second increase, and the mechanics are almost totally a simple number crunch, as long as you don't completely suck and simply fail to do what you class is suposed to. Of course skill matters, but i don't feel it's enough to make the difference, and that bothers me.
Who knows, i bought the game right after midnight and have played alot, on and off since then, I'm sure i have pissed off my share off arrogant Uber gamer jerks who can't treat people as a normal human would outside of a videogame or the internet due to fear of an asswhoopin, because they are too great to do so and can get away with it online. The first month of release i was the highest level warrior (15th highest of all classes) in Terenas the day the server got it's first 60, a hunter and the leader of my guild. I probably could have made something of myself if not for the arguements i had with certain members of that guild who insisted on treating me like a noob becasue he made more gold and played in beta. I have a bit of a temper sure, and i won't be treated like crap or kiss ass just so i can get an epic item or whatever in a videogame that is supposed to be for fun. Shorty after leaving the guild blizz decided to nerf my already underpowered warrior, regardless of the fact Paladins at the time did 5 times more damage wore the same gear and could buff and heal themselves and everything, so of course i made a Paladin ^^ Maybe at some point i just pissed off the wrong guy, and maybe you should be careful in that game, because anyone that arrogant probably must have some sort of leverage to be acting that way in the first place.
Ask some of the older players, it's long been suspected there is much more to the power of a toon than simply gear and clicking skills at the most opportune moment. Nothing is quite what it seems in WoW, and what you see onscreen are nothing more than tooltips, and half the time far off from the skills or whatver that they represent. Skills don't do what they say, thing like honor can have hidden effects that are only know to insiders, and you can't trust anything you see especially with everything being " fixed " every few weeks. Do you ever read the patch notes and see how they fixed a 'bugged" skill or something and said, DAM i wish i knew about that bug before they fixed it, no wonder X is always kicking my ass!
So basically, maybe i suck, maybe the powers that be hate me, maybe i'm just unlucky or haven't " put in work" like everyone else has. Regardless of why, i spend 90% of my time ingame, pissed off or sad. This is what i hate about WoW, not that i hate WoW. I play and pay for games to have fun, and if i don't have fun......i don't play it. If not for good friends in WoW i probably would not have ever come back after any of the 100 times i have quit the game. Even if it is my own fault, the fact stands that it sucks (for me), and is not worth my money or time (most of the time). And plenty of people are in my boat, so at least i'm not alone, but what good does that do me? WoW is in my opinion the most polished and well produced MMO there is, and how many of those 9 million subrcibers are out there busting there ass day after day for an opportunity to have fun. And how many of you never reach that point. By the amount of WoW hate i see in forums as well as coming from people i know IN THE GAME, it must be alot. The simple fact that no other game out is on the same level as WoW in quality is what keeps these people around. With WoW ( aka carrot on a stick online) your greed for items and the thought that one day you will finally get there, keeps you paying that $15 a month. Hoping you can jump into another game of lesser quality and leaving the #1 game out there to get yur MMO fix almost seems more rediculous than thinking one day i'll be wearing an arena season 3 set or tier 6 or whatever new best of the best set of gear they add from time. Not to mention the overwhelmingly addictiveness of the game, it trully takes a great deal of ''hate'' for the game before you can kick the habit, much like crack i guess, just to start over in your search for Your new mmo, wading through endless amounts of other games that are even less popular than the game you left. Most people i know in the game complain that they hate Blizzard, not WoW to be honest.
Someday this exact same game engine or whatever, with different direction behind it, made by another company could possible be the unanimous king of MMOs and would't shock me a bit.
Whew, my appologies for this article of a post lol. Did i just take an entire page with one post. It only took a few seconds saying it in my head, hehe. I guess i need to learn to get my point across in a more quick and concise manner, i promise i will try, lol. One sentence, doh' .... Forgive me.
btw, everyone knows hunters are overpowered, my hunter kicks much ass too, in his quest greens to boot. I would have loved the arena 1 set years ago, but at this point i'm much to burnt out and tired of the game and BGs to grind them out AGAIN, for the new stuff, after deleting my old pvp set ( that's right, having gathered the 100+ bg marks and the 100,000+ honor points to get all the old BG gear, Blizz has added the new stuff as always making the old set obsolete, and since you can no longer disenchant or npc the gear, you are forced to delete them or store them in your limited bank slots). I believe it would take at least a month to do it again anyways. At about 500 honor per BG, even if it is a fast 15-20 min BG, playing all day without working or living and just grinding BG's nonstop for 2 weeks i might be able to get it done, i simply just don't have it left in me. I could put all that effort and the month's sub fee into a new game like EQ2 or Vanguard and probably be much happier with the outcome. I have thought many times about abandoning my warrior to play my 70 hunter from the same server, but i can't do it, i must play my warrior, because that is the class i love and play in every gamethat i play, and always will. Sure i will try them all if given enough time, but war is always my main. Once again if i can't do what i want to do and enjoy it, i will continue to try to find some place where i can.
( *nudge*nudge*poke*poke * Got me a new 8800gt to test if anyone wants to invite me to thier beta and aid me in my search for a loving new home, lol) (( Look at it this way, even if i 90% hate the game, theres a good chance i will play it for many years anyways as long as it is good, now thats tester material in my book = P ))
I played WoW early beta and for 3 years after and introduced many real life friends to thier first MMo. Now all my real life friends that I introduced to the game have all turned into power hungry unimaginative assholes. It took me over 3 years to relize WoW has seemed to attract the dregs of humanity. The community is terrible, immature, unimaginative, and if you try to rp set a macro to greet people you meet on the roads you will be literally cursed out for bein a weirdo. My friends can no longer carry on a conversation in the real world now unless it is about WoW. 4 of them have divorced thier spouses and 2 i know have lost thier children to social services because of it . Wow is evil and should be banned. I have stopped playing and all 3 copies of the game has hit the dumpster. I now play EQ2 and can never go back. Wish I had know how good eq2 is I wouldnt have wasted my time. Now all my real life "friends" won't even speak to me for leaving. With friends like that I am glad that they don't. Only reason WoW is as popular is because they targeted people who have never played an MMO, and they captured the media early on (advertising)
Sry I could go on but I must stop now...getting carried away to the point of tears.............................
I played WoW early beta and for 3 years after and introduced many real life friends to thier first MMo. Now all my real life friends that I introduced to the game have all turned into power hungry unimaginative assholes. It took me over 3 years to relize WoW has seemed to attract the dregs of humanity. The community is terrible, immature, unimaginative, and if you try to rp set a macro to greet people you meet on the roads you will be literally cursed out for bein a weirdo. My friends can no longer carry on a conversation in the real world now unless it is about WoW. 4 of them have divorced thier spouses and 2 i know have lost thier children to social services because of it . Wow is evil and should be banned. I have stopped playing and all 3 copies of the game has hit the dumpster. I now play EQ2 and can never go back. Wish I had know how good eq2 is I wouldnt have wasted my time. Now all my real life "friends" won't even speak to me for leaving. With friends like that I am glad that they don't. Only reason WoW is as popular is because they targeted people who have never played an MMO, and they captured the media early on (advertising) Sry I could go on but I must stop now...getting carried away to the point of tears.............................
Wow their problem is so far beyond WoW.. You don't blame a gun when someone shoots their life in the face.
The thing I hated the most, was that I used to play and enjoy WOW, expecting for there to be "more to it" later on, then all of sudden I realised how shallow and simplistic it really was. I craved more "hardcore" games. Don't get me wrong, Wow was, and still is a great game, but it just wasn't "deep" enough for my tastes. Seemed more suitable for the masses (all ages) crowd, and thats just not my style. So I left a few months ago, and haven't returned since. With that said, I honor and respect Blizzard, for their contribution to the mmo industry as a whole, and bringing in millions of new mmo gamers, not just WOW players. It is common knowledge that most mmo gamers don't play just one mmo, and I believe that WOW has been a catalyst or a "gateway drug" if you will, to bring in new players, who in turn may move on to other titles out of curiosity or "burnout" which has been elaborated upon previously, thus strengthining the mmo market in general. No matter what your opinion of WOW is, at the very least it deserves credit for this. Thank you WOW. It is what it is, take it or leave it. I chose to leave, but neither decision is wrong, just a matter of personal taste.
EDIT: Waiting for Darkfall, if that tells you what my tatses are.
Lack of meaningful PvP (instanced BG's and arena play for the loose). Of course WoW is a PvE game first and foremost with PvP added as an after thought but it would have bee nice if you really felt that there was a conflict going on between the Alliance and Horde (I never got that feeling).
I enjoy the game, However the PVP is pretty horrid. The bg's and arenas are a joke. The only bg remotely enjoyable is AV ...... and even then its too repetitive. Arena? Arena is strictly class cohesion and gimics .No meaning pvp ftl .
I dont hate WoW, i dislike the direction its gone in since launch like for instance how town raiding is almost non existent even on PvP realms.
Its hypocritical to say i hate wow tbh because i played it for almost 3 years, i would probably still play it but i have done everything I wanted to do and the things i do enjoy doing like town raiding rarely happens anymore.
I also dont understand why they are focussing on arenas and seemed to have shafted the rest of the pvp systems. For instance world pvp looked to go in the right direction with world pvp objectives, but they didnt develop them enough to give incentive for people to do world pvp at end game.
Oh and last but not least the crafting system sucks, and has not improved since launch at all if anything has become even more of a boring grind.
I'd list everything else but i cant be bothered, what i find annoying is this game is at its best a mediocre (as in average compared to other games) game yet its still the best MMO out there doesn't say much for the rest of the genre.
I think quite alot of people play this game because there really is not any choice for mmos you either play wow or you settle for a second rate game that should still be in beta to get your mmo fix.
I hate people who use the term "9 million" in any WoW related post.
You ever notice most people that have something positive to say about WoW don't actually talk about anything in game? They almost always just say something retarded about 9 mil.
Heres an Example
Mike>I don't really like raiding, you know it takes so long.
Tom>Are you serious? WoW is awesome!
Mike>Would you care to go in to more detail?
Tom> 9 mil man, 9 mil. 9 mil can't be wrong. 9 mil is almost 10. Actually lets round up to 10 mil. 10 mil man thats why WoW rules. 10 Mil.
I hate how when you are looting an ore vein, if your inventory is full, you can't destroy the useless stone piece of loot to continue mining, but you have to destroy something from your inventory to place that stone IN your bag and only then you can destroy it.
Probably the only thing I truly don't like about WoW isn't a technical thing, but more of a social thing.
Chicks who seek relationships thru the game. They'll screw up a guild like no other. Of course you'll see that in any mmorpg, I just find it incredibly pathetic.
low population, as in how many people are online at any one time that might want to group with me.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You? if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it. Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
I hate that once I capped in WoW there was nothing but daily quests and raiding left. Especially as I was a warrior. But then I would guess any game with a level cap would be the same... hence I now play EvE
So basicly, EVE is WoW end game, but right from the start?
eve is end game from day 1 yeah, but it's not a pve endgame like wow
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You? if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it. Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
I hate what WoW's success has done to other developers in that they all just try to make a prettier WoW instead of something new and exciting. Treadmill gaming FTW!
At one time, I would have agreed with you, but not anymore. Kara is very easy to get into, you only need 10 players and you can start running it with gear that you picked up from questing to 70. You'll get gear that is decent enough in Kara to PvP effectively, I do it everyday and I'm usually always in the top half of the BG (sometimes even 1 or 2) as far as damage goes with my Hunter with nothing but gear from Kara. Then once you start doing a little PvP you can pad your gear even further with honor and tokens. You can now get Season 1 arena gear from doing PvP and it's really not that difficult (not anything like it was to grind the honor rep before) and with that gear you can not only compete, but you can dominate. Sure, you are going to have to take a few lumps initially, but what do you expect? You want to just be able to go out your first day into PvP and own everyone? Please. It takes a little time and effort, but it's easily doable. You don't need a guild of 100 people. Get about 20 people in your guild and you'll have enough to do Kara on a pretty regular basis. Don't expect to get very far your first couple of tries, but gradually you'll start making your way thru it as you get geared up. Don't knock it till you've tried it.
Well, My first toon, 3 years old, is a warrior in a raid guild. I have all the green dps plate from questing to 70, i also have all the plate defense gear from all the quests and instances in outland. Most the players in the guild are geared pretty much the same as me, and have over 20 kara attuned players to keep enough to go pretty often, and Kara kicks our ass. I wouldn't say anyone in our guild is a untalented, not too many mistakes or anything and we use vent and organise fairly well in my opinion. I've never had anyone doubt my playing skill either and have always been told i do very well.
The problem seems to simply be gear. Using mostly the same group and taking along a few geared players, the difference is insane, same tactics, same execution, totally different outcome. I've played the game long enough to realise that the difference in a lvl 5 toon and a lvl 70 ungeared toon is smaller than the difference between an ungeared 70 and a geared 70. Being a protect warriortank seems impossible with crap gear. Compare any geared class toon of one of the tougher( defensively) to my blue defense geared warrior (500 defense skill) and laugh at me every time. One example, last time i played wow, the fel reaver came through Honor Hold, a pvp warrior in arena gear tanked it with ease through about 80% of it's health, then as itwas near dead, that warrior was also getting very close to death, so of course i taunted it off to help him out, and guess what, 3 quick hits to me and i'm screaming ahhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhhh and i'm layed out on the ground. Besides an arena set or Kara gear, there is nothing else i can get better than my blue tank set, which is basically useless. I know you will say the arena warrior was obviously getting healed and taken care of and i didn't notice, but even if that were true, my full protection warrior with 500 defense skill didn't last long enough for someone to realise i needed to be healed, let alone the extra 1.5 - 3 seconds i would take to actually cast the heal spell. Guess it makes sense why my raid guild get slaughtered when i'm there. You may think i must suck but if you knew me you wouldn't question my ability i don't think.
Perhaps there is more to it than player skill + gear = success. Lord knows playing since launch I have come across both players who seem overpowered, and other who seem overpowered. Plenty of people have even switched characters with eachother to prove how well they can do with the so called underpowered friends toon, and sure enough, they end up saying " dam, dunno dude, your toon sucks, reroll ". Usually they just think their build is just so dam smart that you need to rethink your path and be more like them or something along those lines. The game breeds that '' Uber'' pride complex that so many people hate and complain about so often. It's easy to think you are that much smarted and better than everyone else, but in my experience in WoW, player talent is about as much as an advantage as overclocking your FSB by 10 and getting a 2 frame per second increase, and the mechanics are almost totally a simple number crunch, as long as you don't completely suck and simply fail to do what you class is suposed to. Of course skill matters, but i don't feel it's enough to make the difference, and that bothers me.
Who knows, i bought the game right after midnight and have played alot, on and off since then, I'm sure i have pissed off my share off arrogant Uber gamer jerks who can't treat people as a normal human would outside of a videogame or the internet due to fear of an asswhoopin, because they are too great to do so and can get away with it online. The first month of release i was the highest level warrior (15th highest of all classes) in Terenas the day the server got it's first 60, a hunter and the leader of my guild. I probably could have made something of myself if not for the arguements i had with certain members of that guild who insisted on treating me like a noob becasue he made more gold and played in beta. I have a bit of a temper sure, and i won't be treated like crap or kiss ass just so i can get an epic item or whatever in a videogame that is supposed to be for fun. Shorty after leaving the guild blizz decided to nerf my already underpowered warrior, regardless of the fact Paladins at the time did 5 times more damage wore the same gear and could buff and heal themselves and everything, so of course i made a Paladin ^^ Maybe at some point i just pissed off the wrong guy, and maybe you should be careful in that game, because anyone that arrogant probably must have some sort of leverage to be acting that way in the first place.
Ask some of the older players, it's long been suspected there is much more to the power of a toon than simply gear and clicking skills at the most opportune moment. Nothing is quite what it seems in WoW, and what you see onscreen are nothing more than tooltips, and half the time far off from the skills or whatver that they represent. Skills don't do what they say, thing like honor can have hidden effects that are only know to insiders, and you can't trust anything you see especially with everything being " fixed " every few weeks. Do you ever read the patch notes and see how they fixed a 'bugged" skill or something and said, DAM i wish i knew about that bug before they fixed it, no wonder X is always kicking my ass!
So basically, maybe i suck, maybe the powers that be hate me, maybe i'm just unlucky or haven't " put in work" like everyone else has. Regardless of why, i spend 90% of my time ingame, pissed off or sad. This is what i hate about WoW, not that i hate WoW. I play and pay for games to have fun, and if i don't have fun......i don't play it. If not for good friends in WoW i probably would not have ever come back after any of the 100 times i have quit the game. Even if it is my own fault, the fact stands that it sucks (for me), and is not worth my money or time (most of the time). And plenty of people are in my boat, so at least i'm not alone, but what good does that do me? WoW is in my opinion the most polished and well produced MMO there is, and how many of those 9 million subrcibers are out there busting there ass day after day for an opportunity to have fun. And how many of you never reach that point. By the amount of WoW hate i see in forums as well as coming from people i know IN THE GAME, it must be alot. The simple fact that no other game out is on the same level as WoW in quality is what keeps these people around. With WoW ( aka carrot on a stick online) your greed for items and the thought that one day you will finally get there, keeps you paying that $15 a month. Hoping you can jump into another game of lesser quality and leaving the #1 game out there to get yur MMO fix almost seems more rediculous than thinking one day i'll be wearing an arena season 3 set or tier 6 or whatever new best of the best set of gear they add from time. Not to mention the overwhelmingly addictiveness of the game, it trully takes a great deal of ''hate'' for the game before you can kick the habit, much like crack i guess, just to start over in your search for Your new mmo, wading through endless amounts of other games that are even less popular than the game you left. Most people i know in the game complain that they hate Blizzard, not WoW to be honest.
Someday this exact same game engine or whatever, with different direction behind it, made by another company could possible be the unanimous king of MMOs and would't shock me a bit.
Whew, my appologies for this article of a post lol. Did i just take an entire page with one post. It only took a few seconds saying it in my head, hehe. I guess i need to learn to get my point across in a more quick and concise manner, i promise i will try, lol. One sentence, doh' .... Forgive me.
btw, everyone knows hunters are overpowered, my hunter kicks much ass too, in his quest greens to boot. I would have loved the arena 1 set years ago, but at this point i'm much to burnt out and tired of the game and BGs to grind them out AGAIN, for the new stuff, after deleting my old pvp set ( that's right, having gathered the 100+ bg marks and the 100,000+ honor points to get all the old BG gear, Blizz has added the new stuff as always making the old set obsolete, and since you can no longer disenchant or npc the gear, you are forced to delete them or store them in your limited bank slots). I believe it would take at least a month to do it again anyways. At about 500 honor per BG, even if it is a fast 15-20 min BG, playing all day without working or living and just grinding BG's nonstop for 2 weeks i might be able to get it done, i simply just don't have it left in me. I could put all that effort and the month's sub fee into a new game like EQ2 or Vanguard and probably be much happier with the outcome. I have thought many times about abandoning my warrior to play my 70 hunter from the same server, but i can't do it, i must play my warrior, because that is the class i love and play in every gamethat i play, and always will. Sure i will try them all if given enough time, but war is always my main. Once again if i can't do what i want to do and enjoy it, i will continue to try to find some place where i can.
( *nudge*nudge*poke*poke * Got me a new 8800gt to test if anyone wants to invite me to thier beta and aid me in my search for a loving new home, lol) (( Look at it this way, even if i 90% hate the game, theres a good chance i will play it for many years anyways as long as it is good, now thats tester material in my book = P ))
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Errr no .. not at all.. do you read English?So basicly, EVE is WoW end game, but right from the start?
EvE is a capless game where instead of being taken on a roller coaster ride your given a sandbox to play in.
In WoW I can only be entertained if the WoW devs have thought about me and the way I like to play in EvE I make the game into how I like to play.
No game can cater to everyone.
The thing I hate about WoW it's repetitiveness.
But in saying no game can cater to everyone you negate your own comment...
some people like repetitiveness...
my biggest complaint with WoW is that it has lost the feeling it had early on, where you didnt worry about levels, you wandered into a new place and looked for groups or did some quests for the sake of having fun, rather than the sake of leveling as soon as possible.
now its just a job, even leveling from 1-70, all i hear is "Where is the best place to grind?" "Im at half level!!" "Dude level up a few levels so we can do X instance"
The ultra-linear gameplay.
You have to follow a fairly narrow path as you level and upgrade gear. Content is disposable ; once you out level it, it is basically useless as there is no point to going back. If friends are not on the same level range along the path you cannot really play together.
IMO Blizzard did a great job building the world. It could have been so much greater than the simple treadmill that it is.
thats kind of why i loved the starting areas of the game, I really felt like I was in an open world were i could go everywhere and explore and do great things, however after getting to the parts where levels take days and you need to move all over the world in order to level, i just lost touch with this and felt like i was on a..... you said it best.... treadmill
I hated the endless repetitive grind most of all.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Well, My first toon, 3 years old, is a warrior in a raid guild. I have all the green dps plate from questing to 70, i also have all the plate defense gear from all the quests and instances in outland. Most the players in the guild are geared pretty much the same as me, and have over 20 kara attuned players to keep enough to go pretty often, and Kara kicks our ass. I wouldn't say anyone in our guild is a untalented, not too many mistakes or anything and we use vent and organise fairly well in my opinion. I've never had anyone doubt my playing skill either and have always been told i do very well.
The problem seems to simply be gear. Using mostly the same group and taking along a few geared players, the difference is insane, same tactics, same execution, totally different outcome. I've played the game long enough to realise that the difference in a lvl 5 toon and a lvl 70 ungeared toon is smaller than the difference between an ungeared 70 and a geared 70. Being a protect warriortank seems impossible with crap gear. Compare any geared class toon of one of the tougher( defensively) to my blue defense geared warrior (500 defense skill) and laugh at me every time. One example, last time i played wow, the fel reaver came through Honor Hold, a pvp warrior in arena gear tanked it with ease through about 80% of it's health, then as itwas near dead, that warrior was also getting very close to death, so of course i taunted it off to help him out, and guess what, 3 quick hits to me and i'm screaming ahhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhhh and i'm layed out on the ground. Besides an arena set or Kara gear, there is nothing else i can get better than my blue tank set, which is basically useless. I know you will say the arena warrior was obviously getting healed and taken care of and i didn't notice, but even if that were true, my full protection warrior with 500 defense skill didn't last long enough for someone to realise i needed to be healed, let alone the extra 1.5 - 3 seconds i would take to actually cast the heal spell. Guess it makes sense why my raid guild get slaughtered when i'm there. You may think i must suck but if you knew me you wouldn't question my ability i don't think.
Perhaps there is more to it than player skill + gear = success. Lord knows playing since launch I have come across both players who seem overpowered, and other who seem overpowered. Plenty of people have even switched characters with eachother to prove how well they can do with the so called underpowered friends toon, and sure enough, they end up saying " dam, dunno dude, your toon sucks, reroll ". Usually they just think their build is just so dam smart that you need to rethink your path and be more like them or something along those lines. The game breeds that '' Uber'' pride complex that so many people hate and complain about so often. It's easy to think you are that much smarted and better than everyone else, but in my experience in WoW, player talent is about as much as an advantage as overclocking your FSB by 10 and getting a 2 frame per second increase, and the mechanics are almost totally a simple number crunch, as long as you don't completely suck and simply fail to do what you class is suposed to. Of course skill matters, but i don't feel it's enough to make the difference, and that bothers me.
Who knows, i bought the game right after midnight and have played alot, on and off since then, I'm sure i have pissed off my share off arrogant Uber gamer jerks who can't treat people as a normal human would outside of a videogame or the internet due to fear of an asswhoopin, because they are too great to do so and can get away with it online. The first month of release i was the highest level warrior (15th highest of all classes) in Terenas the day the server got it's first 60, a hunter and the leader of my guild. I probably could have made something of myself if not for the arguements i had with certain members of that guild who insisted on treating me like a noob becasue he made more gold and played in beta. I have a bit of a temper sure, and i won't be treated like crap or kiss ass just so i can get an epic item or whatever in a videogame that is supposed to be for fun. Shorty after leaving the guild blizz decided to nerf my already underpowered warrior, regardless of the fact Paladins at the time did 5 times more damage wore the same gear and could buff and heal themselves and everything, so of course i made a Paladin ^^ Maybe at some point i just pissed off the wrong guy, and maybe you should be careful in that game, because anyone that arrogant probably must have some sort of leverage to be acting that way in the first place.
Ask some of the older players, it's long been suspected there is much more to the power of a toon than simply gear and clicking skills at the most opportune moment. Nothing is quite what it seems in WoW, and what you see onscreen are nothing more than tooltips, and half the time far off from the skills or whatver that they represent. Skills don't do what they say, thing like honor can have hidden effects that are only know to insiders, and you can't trust anything you see especially with everything being " fixed " every few weeks. Do you ever read the patch notes and see how they fixed a 'bugged" skill or something and said, DAM i wish i knew about that bug before they fixed it, no wonder X is always kicking my ass!
So basically, maybe i suck, maybe the powers that be hate me, maybe i'm just unlucky or haven't " put in work" like everyone else has. Regardless of why, i spend 90% of my time ingame, pissed off or sad. This is what i hate about WoW, not that i hate WoW. I play and pay for games to have fun, and if i don't have fun......i don't play it. If not for good friends in WoW i probably would not have ever come back after any of the 100 times i have quit the game. Even if it is my own fault, the fact stands that it sucks (for me), and is not worth my money or time (most of the time). And plenty of people are in my boat, so at least i'm not alone, but what good does that do me? WoW is in my opinion the most polished and well produced MMO there is, and how many of those 9 million subrcibers are out there busting there ass day after day for an opportunity to have fun. And how many of you never reach that point. By the amount of WoW hate i see in forums as well as coming from people i know IN THE GAME, it must be alot. The simple fact that no other game out is on the same level as WoW in quality is what keeps these people around. With WoW ( aka carrot on a stick online) your greed for items and the thought that one day you will finally get there, keeps you paying that $15 a month. Hoping you can jump into another game of lesser quality and leaving the #1 game out there to get yur MMO fix almost seems more rediculous than thinking one day i'll be wearing an arena season 3 set or tier 6 or whatever new best of the best set of gear they add from time. Not to mention the overwhelmingly addictiveness of the game, it trully takes a great deal of ''hate'' for the game before you can kick the habit, much like crack i guess, just to start over in your search for Your new mmo, wading through endless amounts of other games that are even less popular than the game you left. Most people i know in the game complain that they hate Blizzard, not WoW to be honest.
Someday this exact same game engine or whatever, with different direction behind it, made by another company could possible be the unanimous king of MMOs and would't shock me a bit.
Whew, my appologies for this article of a post lol. Did i just take an entire page with one post.
It only took a few seconds saying it in my head, hehe. I guess i need to learn to get my point across in a more quick and concise manner, i promise i will try, lol. One sentence, doh' .... Forgive me. 
btw, everyone knows hunters are overpowered, my hunter kicks much ass too, in his quest greens to boot. I would have loved the arena 1 set years ago, but at this point i'm much to burnt out and tired of the game and BGs to grind them out AGAIN, for the new stuff, after deleting my old pvp set ( that's right, having gathered the 100+ bg marks and the 100,000+ honor points to get all the old BG gear, Blizz has added the new stuff as always making the old set obsolete, and since you can no longer disenchant or npc the gear, you are forced to delete them or store them in your limited bank slots). I believe it would take at least a month to do it again anyways. At about 500 honor per BG, even if it is a fast 15-20 min BG, playing all day without working or living and just grinding BG's nonstop for 2 weeks i might be able to get it done, i simply just don't have it left in me. I could put all that effort and the month's sub fee into a new game like EQ2 or Vanguard and probably be much happier with the outcome. I have thought many times about abandoning my warrior to play my 70 hunter from the same server, but i can't do it, i must play my warrior, because that is the class i love and play in every gamethat i play, and always will. Sure i will try them all if given enough time, but war is always my main. Once again if i can't do what i want to do and enjoy it, i will continue to try to find some place where i can.
( *nudge*nudge*poke*poke * Got me a new 8800gt to test if anyone wants to invite me to thier beta and aid me in my search for a loving new home, lol) (( Look at it this way, even if i 90% hate the game, theres a good chance i will play it for many years anyways as long as it is good, now thats tester material in my book = P ))
And here you have it folks. The winner. QFT.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
I played WoW early beta and for 3 years after and introduced many real life friends to thier first MMo. Now all my real life friends that I introduced to the game have all turned into power hungry unimaginative assholes. It took me over 3 years to relize WoW has seemed to attract the dregs of humanity. The community is terrible, immature, unimaginative, and if you try to rp set a macro to greet people you meet on the roads you will be literally cursed out for bein a weirdo. My friends can no longer carry on a conversation in the real world now unless it is about WoW. 4 of them have divorced thier spouses and 2 i know have lost thier children to social services because of it . Wow is evil and should be banned. I have stopped playing and all 3 copies of the game has hit the dumpster. I now play EQ2 and can never go back. Wish I had know how good eq2 is I wouldnt have wasted my time. Now all my real life "friends" won't even speak to me for leaving. With friends like that I am glad that they don't. Only reason WoW is as popular is because they targeted people who have never played an MMO, and they captured the media early on (advertising)
Sry I could go on but I must stop now...getting carried away to the point of tears.............................
Wow their problem is so far beyond WoW.. You don't blame a gun when someone shoots their life in the face.
I hate the fact that it takes waaaaaaay to long for the devs to fix the mayor issues in the game.
All in all i love the game.
Quit playing after 2 years & 15 extra kg
The thing I hated the most, was that I used to play and enjoy WOW, expecting for there to be "more to it" later on, then all of sudden I realised how shallow and simplistic it really was. I craved more "hardcore" games. Don't get me wrong, Wow was, and still is a great game, but it just wasn't "deep" enough for my tastes. Seemed more suitable for the masses (all ages) crowd, and thats just not my style. So I left a few months ago, and haven't returned since. With that said, I honor and respect Blizzard, for their contribution to the mmo industry as a whole, and bringing in millions of new mmo gamers, not just WOW players. It is common knowledge that most mmo gamers don't play just one mmo, and I believe that WOW has been a catalyst or a "gateway drug" if you will, to bring in new players, who in turn may move on to other titles out of curiosity or "burnout" which has been elaborated upon previously, thus strengthining the mmo market in general. No matter what your opinion of WOW is, at the very least it deserves credit for this. Thank you WOW.
It is what it is, take it or leave it. I chose to leave, but neither decision is wrong, just a matter of personal taste.
EDIT: Waiting for Darkfall, if that tells you what my tatses are.
Lack of meaningful PvP (instanced BG's and arena play for the loose). Of course WoW is a PvE game first and foremost with PvP added as an after thought but it would have bee nice if you really felt that there was a conflict going on between the Alliance and Horde (I never got that feeling).
I enjoy the game, However the PVP is pretty horrid. The bg's and arenas are a joke. The only bg remotely enjoyable is AV ...... and even then its too repetitive. Arena? Arena is strictly class cohesion and gimics .No meaning pvp ftl .
Their expansion model is absolutely the worst in the MMo community.
In one sentence I guess it would be:
I dont hate WoW, i dislike the direction its gone in since launch like for instance how town raiding is almost non existent even on PvP realms.
Its hypocritical to say i hate wow tbh because i played it for almost 3 years, i would probably still play it but i have done everything I wanted to do and the things i do enjoy doing like town raiding rarely happens anymore.
I also dont understand why they are focussing on arenas and seemed to have shafted the rest of the pvp systems. For instance world pvp looked to go in the right direction with world pvp objectives, but they didnt develop them enough to give incentive for people to do world pvp at end game.
Oh and last but not least the crafting system sucks, and has not improved since launch at all if anything has become even more of a boring grind.
I'd list everything else but i cant be bothered, what i find annoying is this game is at its best a mediocre (as in average compared to other games) game yet its still the best MMO out there doesn't say much for the rest of the genre.
I think quite alot of people play this game because there really is not any choice for mmos you either play wow or you settle for a second rate game that should still be in beta to get your mmo fix.
I know I already went, but I want to go again.
I hate people who use the term "9 million" in any WoW related post.
You ever notice most people that have something positive to say about WoW don't actually talk about anything in game? They almost always just say something retarded about 9 mil.
Heres an Example
Mike>I don't really like raiding, you know it takes so long.
Tom>Are you serious? WoW is awesome!
Mike>Would you care to go in to more detail?
Tom> 9 mil man, 9 mil. 9 mil can't be wrong. 9 mil is almost 10. Actually lets round up to 10 mil. 10 mil man thats why WoW rules. 10 Mil.
I hate how when you are looting an ore vein, if your inventory is full, you can't destroy the useless stone piece of loot to continue mining, but you have to destroy something from your inventory to place that stone IN your bag and only then you can destroy it.
Probably the only thing I truly don't like about WoW isn't a technical thing, but more of a social thing.
Chicks who seek relationships thru the game. They'll screw up a guild like no other. Of course you'll see that in any mmorpg, I just find it incredibly pathetic.
low population, as in how many people are online at any one time that might want to group with me.
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
So basicly, EVE is WoW end game, but right from the start?
eve is end game from day 1 yeah, but it's not a pve endgame like wow
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
if I were to kill a titan tomorrow and no CCP employees showed up to say grats I would petition it.
Waiting for: the next MMO that lets me make this macro
if hp < 30 then CastSpell("heal") SpellTargetUnit("player") else CastSpell("smite") end
I hate what WoW's success has done to other developers in that they all just try to make a prettier WoW instead of something new and exciting. Treadmill gaming FTW!
Just have to point out that the last part of that sentence may have more to do with you then WoW. I'm just saying. LOL
Well, My first toon, 3 years old, is a warrior in a raid guild. I have all the green dps plate from questing to 70, i also have all the plate defense gear from all the quests and instances in outland. Most the players in the guild are geared pretty much the same as me, and have over 20 kara attuned players to keep enough to go pretty often, and Kara kicks our ass. I wouldn't say anyone in our guild is a untalented, not too many mistakes or anything and we use vent and organise fairly well in my opinion. I've never had anyone doubt my playing skill either and have always been told i do very well.
The problem seems to simply be gear. Using mostly the same group and taking along a few geared players, the difference is insane, same tactics, same execution, totally different outcome. I've played the game long enough to realise that the difference in a lvl 5 toon and a lvl 70 ungeared toon is smaller than the difference between an ungeared 70 and a geared 70. Being a protect warriortank seems impossible with crap gear. Compare any geared class toon of one of the tougher( defensively) to my blue defense geared warrior (500 defense skill) and laugh at me every time. One example, last time i played wow, the fel reaver came through Honor Hold, a pvp warrior in arena gear tanked it with ease through about 80% of it's health, then as itwas near dead, that warrior was also getting very close to death, so of course i taunted it off to help him out, and guess what, 3 quick hits to me and i'm screaming ahhhhh ahhhhhhhhhhhh and i'm layed out on the ground. Besides an arena set or Kara gear, there is nothing else i can get better than my blue tank set, which is basically useless. I know you will say the arena warrior was obviously getting healed and taken care of and i didn't notice, but even if that were true, my full protection warrior with 500 defense skill didn't last long enough for someone to realise i needed to be healed, let alone the extra 1.5 - 3 seconds i would take to actually cast the heal spell. Guess it makes sense why my raid guild get slaughtered when i'm there. You may think i must suck but if you knew me you wouldn't question my ability i don't think.
Perhaps there is more to it than player skill + gear = success. Lord knows playing since launch I have come across both players who seem overpowered, and other who seem overpowered. Plenty of people have even switched characters with eachother to prove how well they can do with the so called underpowered friends toon, and sure enough, they end up saying " dam, dunno dude, your toon sucks, reroll ". Usually they just think their build is just so dam smart that you need to rethink your path and be more like them or something along those lines. The game breeds that '' Uber'' pride complex that so many people hate and complain about so often. It's easy to think you are that much smarted and better than everyone else, but in my experience in WoW, player talent is about as much as an advantage as overclocking your FSB by 10 and getting a 2 frame per second increase, and the mechanics are almost totally a simple number crunch, as long as you don't completely suck and simply fail to do what you class is suposed to. Of course skill matters, but i don't feel it's enough to make the difference, and that bothers me.
Who knows, i bought the game right after midnight and have played alot, on and off since then, I'm sure i have pissed off my share off arrogant Uber gamer jerks who can't treat people as a normal human would outside of a videogame or the internet due to fear of an asswhoopin, because they are too great to do so and can get away with it online. The first month of release i was the highest level warrior (15th highest of all classes) in Terenas the day the server got it's first 60, a hunter and the leader of my guild. I probably could have made something of myself if not for the arguements i had with certain members of that guild who insisted on treating me like a noob becasue he made more gold and played in beta. I have a bit of a temper sure, and i won't be treated like crap or kiss ass just so i can get an epic item or whatever in a videogame that is supposed to be for fun. Shorty after leaving the guild blizz decided to nerf my already underpowered warrior, regardless of the fact Paladins at the time did 5 times more damage wore the same gear and could buff and heal themselves and everything, so of course i made a Paladin ^^ Maybe at some point i just pissed off the wrong guy, and maybe you should be careful in that game, because anyone that arrogant probably must have some sort of leverage to be acting that way in the first place.
Ask some of the older players, it's long been suspected there is much more to the power of a toon than simply gear and clicking skills at the most opportune moment. Nothing is quite what it seems in WoW, and what you see onscreen are nothing more than tooltips, and half the time far off from the skills or whatver that they represent. Skills don't do what they say, thing like honor can have hidden effects that are only know to insiders, and you can't trust anything you see especially with everything being " fixed " every few weeks. Do you ever read the patch notes and see how they fixed a 'bugged" skill or something and said, DAM i wish i knew about that bug before they fixed it, no wonder X is always kicking my ass!
So basically, maybe i suck, maybe the powers that be hate me, maybe i'm just unlucky or haven't " put in work" like everyone else has. Regardless of why, i spend 90% of my time ingame, pissed off or sad. This is what i hate about WoW, not that i hate WoW. I play and pay for games to have fun, and if i don't have fun......i don't play it. If not for good friends in WoW i probably would not have ever come back after any of the 100 times i have quit the game. Even if it is my own fault, the fact stands that it sucks (for me), and is not worth my money or time (most of the time). And plenty of people are in my boat, so at least i'm not alone, but what good does that do me? WoW is in my opinion the most polished and well produced MMO there is, and how many of those 9 million subrcibers are out there busting there ass day after day for an opportunity to have fun. And how many of you never reach that point. By the amount of WoW hate i see in forums as well as coming from people i know IN THE GAME, it must be alot. The simple fact that no other game out is on the same level as WoW in quality is what keeps these people around. With WoW ( aka carrot on a stick online) your greed for items and the thought that one day you will finally get there, keeps you paying that $15 a month. Hoping you can jump into another game of lesser quality and leaving the #1 game out there to get yur MMO fix almost seems more rediculous than thinking one day i'll be wearing an arena season 3 set or tier 6 or whatever new best of the best set of gear they add from time. Not to mention the overwhelmingly addictiveness of the game, it trully takes a great deal of ''hate'' for the game before you can kick the habit, much like crack i guess, just to start over in your search for Your new mmo, wading through endless amounts of other games that are even less popular than the game you left. Most people i know in the game complain that they hate Blizzard, not WoW to be honest.
Someday this exact same game engine or whatever, with different direction behind it, made by another company could possible be the unanimous king of MMOs and would't shock me a bit.
Whew, my appologies for this article of a post lol. Did i just take an entire page with one post.
It only took a few seconds saying it in my head, hehe. I guess i need to learn to get my point across in a more quick and concise manner, i promise i will try, lol. One sentence, doh' .... Forgive me. 
btw, everyone knows hunters are overpowered, my hunter kicks much ass too, in his quest greens to boot. I would have loved the arena 1 set years ago, but at this point i'm much to burnt out and tired of the game and BGs to grind them out AGAIN, for the new stuff, after deleting my old pvp set ( that's right, having gathered the 100+ bg marks and the 100,000+ honor points to get all the old BG gear, Blizz has added the new stuff as always making the old set obsolete, and since you can no longer disenchant or npc the gear, you are forced to delete them or store them in your limited bank slots). I believe it would take at least a month to do it again anyways. At about 500 honor per BG, even if it is a fast 15-20 min BG, playing all day without working or living and just grinding BG's nonstop for 2 weeks i might be able to get it done, i simply just don't have it left in me. I could put all that effort and the month's sub fee into a new game like EQ2 or Vanguard and probably be much happier with the outcome. I have thought many times about abandoning my warrior to play my 70 hunter from the same server, but i can't do it, i must play my warrior, because that is the class i love and play in every gamethat i play, and always will. Sure i will try them all if given enough time, but war is always my main. Once again if i can't do what i want to do and enjoy it, i will continue to try to find some place where i can.
( *nudge*nudge*poke*poke * Got me a new 8800gt to test if anyone wants to invite me to thier beta and aid me in my search for a loving new home, lol) (( Look at it this way, even if i 90% hate the game, theres a good chance i will play it for many years anyways as long as it is good, now thats tester material in my book = P ))
So much for one sentence.