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You must be fucken joking. Go take a look at ONE Warhammer or Age of Conan newsletter. They contain more info in one of those then a total of 6 months worth of news from Darkfall. Not to mention the actual info and quality of them are 100 x better.
Want to know the real reason they don't do newsletters like War or Conans? Because they can't. They have nothing much to release or talk about.... does make sense right?
"Nothing revolutionary? If so then point me to a game that has all those features because I was under the impression that there wasnt one."
What features? Darkfall's features consist of some horses running around and people swinging weapons.. and a ship or two floating in the water with automatic machine guns on them.
Ohhhhhh wait.. you meant all the other features that no one has ever seen functioning in any kind of form because odds are they don't even exist yet.. so much for revolutionary..
The only revolutionary thing Darkfall has accomplished is to become the longest MMORPG ever in development.
Yeah, WAR and AoC also releases some info from their static class/level based MMOs they are. They just write some what special moves a class have.
And Darkfall not having any special features??? Well...try player freedom. Thats something WAR and AoC DONT have a
But from your posts here, i can clarly see you are not interested in that feature.
To actually see how the DF combat is.....try Mount&Blade. Its free. The DF devs have told us their combat system is based from this game. And if you dont like Mount&Blade......i have not meet one person that didnt.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
Revolutionary?
Let me see...
FPS combat - Been done before
Full Loot - Been done before
FFA PvP - Been done before
City building/government - Been done before
Mounted combat - Been done before
Skill based - Been done before
Ship to ship combat - Been done before
Darkfall is ripping off all the ideas from pre-Trammel UO, plus some from SWG, plus some from a host of other games. You people have to realize, the only revolutionary thing that has happened to gaming in a while is the Wii.
They are taking a ton of ideas from what came before, and combining it into a new package. MMOs are the sum of their parts. No one feature can define a MMO, they are the sum of their parts. Darkfall is just taking different parts from different games. Nothing revolutionary. I could take the feature list from Darkfall in show you a game where it's already be done before. But it doesn't matter, MMOs are the sum of those parts.
If they can pull it off, it'll be evolutionary. The advancement of what came before.
Why they are tight lipped - They have no PR department and a very small design team. If they really are working on this game as hard as they say they are, they probably don't have the time to release massive PR filled newsletters etc.
Should they do more then they are? Yes. MMOs live/die based off the community, obviously.
Do I think Darkfall is vaporware? Yes. Do I hope it's not? Yes.
If DF turns up to be well made, and the sum of its parts add up to something fun, unique, and interesting, I'll be happy to play and so will many others... will it happen? I doubt it. Too much for such a small team of inexperienced devs to do. It's too ambitious. I'd say the longest and most secretive MMO development cycle in history is proof enough.
Now that was the most silly post ever written really. Can you give me one feature that was not implemented before and you would call "original" ? You realize that even combining some aspects that were used before but not together is considered original.
REALITY CHECK
Wii is only recent revolutionary idea in gaming.
Wii is only recent revolutionary idea in gaming.
I can't agree againt. Evolutionary is not about combining aspects that were never used together before. It's about improving existing features. Don't tell me evolution is when you combine a dog with a cat.
REALITY CHECK
Revolutionary and original can be called a game that combines very different features. Like it was before when was RTS combined with RPG. It can hardly be called an evolution. That's completely different.
REALITY CHECK
I do understand your point, and it is a very good one.
Maybe I'm just trying to say that the feature list of Darkfall doesn't seem to be all that new and different,but instead more of a natural progression from an "old school" game like UO. Perhaps I am mistaken.
Still, the question remains, will it even matter? The game needs to be released first, and that tight lipped nature of Aventurine's community interaction is not helping their cause to convince us it will be.
Well, we have all of 08 to argue if this game is vaporware or not.
Well when you consider how small the team they have is, you have to believe that their eyes are far bigger than their stomach when it comes to game features. I suspect that they are staying away from the media basically because they have implemented very few of the listed features of the game and want to avoid a lot of negative publicity.
I just hope they can get the game out with just a few of the features soon and they can build from their. Remember Eve started small and achieved sucess.
Anyone purporting they will have a full feature list on release just has a complete lack of common sense.
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE
Calm down chief. Don't be a rabid fanboi, you'll start foaming at the mouth.You are right that these features have not yet ALL been combined into a single game before. If you had read the precedding conversation between Thillian and I, you'd note that we already talked about that. I am not flaming the feature list, calm yourself.
Games die if they are released before they are ready, yes that is true. But also because no one knows anything about them and they are released to a very limited reception. You have to market a game in order to get people to buy it. How do you know about Darkfall? Marketing, word of mouth, etc. In the modern age of entertainment, hollywood blockbusters and multi-million dollar gaming, mega-star musicians etc. etc. you have to market your game and advertise in order for people to buy it. Otherwise, it slips under the radar, as they say.
Aventurine needs to step up their community interaction and marketing. Even if they are doing everything else 100% right, they still need to up their PR.
I know the devs don't care what I think. They don't care what you think either. This thread is about how they're tight lipped about all things Darfkall, and why this is so? *Hence the title of the thread*
This thread is not for suggesting features. And I took no shots at the game. I simply said, as much as I wish it to NOT be the truth, I highly doubt this game will ever see the light of day, and that saddens me.
Calm down.
One thing that cross my mind......why is there no MMO to play with the DF features.....if it all have been done before?
Its the thing that they are combining it that makes it both revolutionary and evolutionary. Not one feature at the time, as other have tryed to do.
But now i understand better, you THINK DF is vaporware.....but hopes not? Why not support the DF devs 100%?
I trust them, i think they are all that they can to get to play their game as soon as possyble. And if they fail....well....atleast they have tryed.
I hope it is not vaporware because it has the potential to be a good game. Given what I have seen and read, what I've researched about Aventurine and what little they've showed us in their almost 7 full years of development... my logical mind is finding it hard to believe that this game will ever be released.
If it is released, I hope it is a good game. If it is a good game, I will play it. If Disney Pokemon MMO #6 was a good game, I'd probably play it. I play games because I enjoy them, because I consider them to be good games. Why else would I play them?
As I have also said, MMOs are a combination of their parts. Is the combination new? Perhaps, but not that new nor revolutionary. In fact, it's kind of "old school" which is what I thought the point was?
I'm still amazed how much some users seem to know about a "game" that doesn't exist at the moment. As long as Aventurine has You guys on their side, they don't need to do anything to prove the existence of their creation....and on top of that, they get free promo for the years to come..neat, ey?
One thing I don't get it though: do you honestly believe the most complex MMO ever created would come from a small team living in Greece, with no previous experience in game creation whatsoever? Just because they say they would? Bah!
The most complex MMO wouldent ever come from a big mainstream company. That we know for sure.
So that leaves it to the small indie companys. We all wish it would be the other way around.
And even trolls seems to know a lot about this MMO, we normal people just read up on the regular updates we get. Nothing more we can do.
Personally I think they are really working on a death ray that will let Greece take over the world.
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o yes darkfall advertismeant was on a show called gameplay the other day nothing new from what we dont know but it was on tv in sweden tho XD
That's nice.. now why don't they invite the editors of that show over to actually play something and report on something solid for a change?
Darkfall is the next Dark and Light. It will eventually release, but it will be unfinished and outdated, and die a quick and painful death.....
There will be many dissapointed people.
We hope it will turn out better then what you want : )
And the DF devs want to do something "uniq" in the MMO world. They want to have the game done when beta begin. And since there is about twice the amount of features from a ordinary PvE MMO, it will take some time (no shit).
I know today we expect the MMOs to be half done in beta (Vanguard) and thats ok.
dark and light was crap i never even followed that game
Aventurine value their product to be so good, that it sell itselves. In these days where quality is not mentioned in the same sentance as MMO very often, there is no way a good MMO will slip under the radar.
The devs read the forums, the journal is proof of that. I can guarantee you though that if you write vaporware ONCE in the forum yo8u will continu to be ignored by the devs. It's up to you what you want to discuss, i'm sure even you might have a good idea. It's a waste really...
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And when we got more women on the team, it was like No, no, no. We need puppies and horses in there.
John Smedley, SOE